Penguin farts in and around my mouth
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After a long time of using LXQt, I'm trying XFCE

I'm on Debian 13 and the version of LXQt in this release doesn't support Wayland, hence the switch to XFCE, which does support Wayland in this release

Apparently Wayland is more secure than X11 because with Wayland, an application cannot see windows drawn by other applications, unlike X11

Thank you for coming to my TED talk

>>109963636
Wayland is much more secure of a display server then X11 is by miles. Much more containerized, compared to X11 where every window can snoop on each other and do things like see keystrokes.

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>>109963483
>>What are some cool programs?
>https://suckless.org

>>109963483
>2000s
>kernel drm/kms
>gstreamer
>d-bus
>network manager

>2010s
>systemd
>logind
>fwupd
>udisks / upower / etc
>pipewire
>wayland
>xdg portals
>flatpak
>proton
>kde plasma

>2020s
>modern ARM support
>atomic updates
>immutable architecture
>.... ?
>just improving and standardizing everything from the 2010s

have we reached the end of innovation? are we really going to let immutable architecture be the last major improvement in linux?

>>109963710
Like most technically it's hit a bit of a flat field. There's not really much to build on right now even if people want things to evolve.
Like the closest thing I guess is trying to make LLMs more and more smart? Which I guess is why so many tech people are focusing on them now (besides it mostly just being a circlejerk between like 5+ companies.)

wayland DE written in c/c++ without having to manually configure everything to have a working desktop please

>>109964034
>c/c++
We use Rust now, boomer.

>>109964064
i hate crabs ew

>turn my PC on once a week to do work
>THERE IS AN UPDATE AVAILABLE
I fucking hate Debian. I was promised it barely updates. Is there a distro that doesn't update this often? I never had to update my Windows XP or my Windows 7 and I never had update-related popups. I updated them like once a year and things just worked.

>there is an update
>pc stops working
those two are not connected btw. also wasted.

>>109964999
Just because there's an update available doesn't mean you have to download it and install it; Just do your work and update when you have time.
>>109965008
I wish I was wasted.

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>Gentoo forums are privated now
fuck are those niggas doin!? I'm sick of Gentoo is becoming worse and worse, constanly tinkering and breaking shit like with adding user services to openrc, systemd shit pushed even on openrc systems, rust being pushed, /usr merge, pythonshit etc.
Is there ANY distro out there which focuses on simplicity, long-term reliability and backwards compatibility?
I'm sick of having to constantly fix meaningless shit pushed by bored distro maintainers, only more complexity to the system, more abstraction layers, more opportunity for the system to break.

>>109964999
>Oh no, my OS is too secure with all these updates, how can I make it less secure?
Don't install the updates I guess

>>109965259
I wonder if they even enabled ufw and zram

thumbnail cache, will i fuck anything up if i delete it? it's taking up space on mah install.
t. gnome on ubuntu

>>109964999
you can uninstall gui package managers. I always do minimal installs so i never see any popups on debian or arch

>>109965559
.cache/thumbnails? nah, it'll just generate itself again. i always delete it if its too bloated with unused thumbnails

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>>109965252
gentoo is the only way.

the only distro where you can ask your house clanker for patches, seamlessly. the distro for the ai age.
>b-but muh breakages
ask the clanker to diagnose it.

Death to Microsoft
We must rebel and switch to Linux, that's the only way to gain a freedom from multi dollar corporations!

>>109963483
>brave
Really?

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>>109966314

>>109963483
Did they fix the vulnerability in VLC?

Why do I hear a high-pitched noise coming from my speakers as soon my PC goes into idle mode?

>>109966578
nobody knows anything about sound in here

>>109966578
intel? i remember a power saving feature that did that, had to google a modprobe config
though that was on a laptop not a pc

>>109963636

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Niggas, I'm currently installing Slackware15.0 32bit inside a Termux + Qemu VM in my celphone. It'll take about 3 to 6 hours for this bitch to finish the terse installation because I decided it was a great idea to install it with x and xap series toggled.
Which WM should I use? Ratpoison? Something else? Get wild with it, I've never used a WM alone before, only XFCE. It's your golden opportunity to make me suffer.

>>109966578
Could be coil whine

>>109966680
We're deaf

>>109966578
i don't have this issue.

>>109966482
Microshit can got and fuck themselves! I know use gimp and kdelive only open source! I also revived my 15 years old PC and use libreoffice on it

>>109967035
eww at least use krita or something instead.

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>>109963483
Reposting from last thread.
Should I just check everything here just in case?
Same for when I get a similar prompt with Krita and I guess KDenlive and OBS and GIMP and the others when I go to them?
Using CachyOS btw. Loving it.

>>109966578
Grounding issue, whatever. It happens.

I'm still using urxvt and vim for almost everything. What's the current popular choices? These are on my list:

Terminal emulators:
>st
>Alacritty
>Ghostty

Editors:
>Neovim
>Helix
>Kakoune
>Emacs

Suggestions?

>>109967345
memeterms are dysfunction enhancers. Just use whatever libvte front-end is suitable to your GUI. Eg konsole, gnome-terminal.
>editors
neovim

>>109965259
>muh security performance theater
>implying debian is secure to begin with

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Love Linux but what the fuck is this shit? Why are fonts so fucked up? I'm using CachyOS (I also used Arch Linux too) but I never had this fucking problem on Linux Mint. I set my minimum font size on Firefox to 16 to make things more legible but then it gives me retarded shit like picrel

Apparently I have insomnia so I'm installing gentoo on my laptop tonight. Fucking hell.

>>109968034
That's because you're using a mis-configured gaymer meme-distro whose maintainers don't know jack shit about anything probably. I use gentoo and everything just works by default. I've never seen the fucking bullshit problems you faggots constantly whine about.

>>109963483
Unsure if this belongs into sqt instead: I basically made an alias in which I have

 cmd1 "Arg it needs" | cmd2 

. I wanted to use $1 instead of the arg but that just appends it to cmd2. Now I'm using a super janky way:

 alias a="cmd2 < <(cmd 1 "

and then I simply write

 "Arg it needs") 

It works but does anybody have a better solution without me needing to make it a script?

>>109968155
I also said I used Arch as well with the same issue. Maybe its a KDE Plasma thing? I only installed Cachy as it was easier for me than setting up Arch + KDE Plasma from scratch (I'm not talking about installing, I mean post-installation set-up).
>gentoo
hey good for you faggot
I probably should've only mentioned KDE Plasma instead of Cachy or Arch as I'm having the same issue with fonts on Debian + Plasma

>>109968034
>I set my minimum font size on Firefox to 16
You're overriding website stylesheets this way. This sort of issue is expected in websites that are made by people who aren't really into frontend development, or whose knowledge of website development didn't evolve past 2001-2010. Everything on this site is measured in px, rather than relative units. So when you force a different font size on elements nothing scales.
The captcha button is set to a static height of 18px. You've set your font size to 16px, but this website uses a standard line height defined by your browser, which is usually 1.2 (translating to your text being 19.2px large). That plus the 2px button padding means you're trying to squeeze 21px worth of content into an 18px box.

It has nothing to do with your distro, Linux, your DE or even the web browser you use. It's just how web works when it's done by people who only know backend development. If you don't want websites to break then use the default browser zoom feature rather than font size overrides. Firefox supports forcing a minimum zoom level on websites and defaulting to a specific zoom level on websites.

>>109968238
Ignore the moron, he has no idea what he's talking about. This is unrelated to your OS. It's caused by you overriding the minimum font size which this site does not handle. You're expected to use it as-is, or use browser zoom, or use display scaling, or make your own stylesheet.

STOP using derivative shitstros.
>Debian
>Fedora
>Arch
>Gentoo
These are the only REAL GNU/Linux distros. Everything else should be destroyed and their maintainers burned at the stake.

>>109968363
Fedora and Arch are the only one of these that matter.

>>109968363
Add Guix and NixOS to that list and we are ok.

>>109963483
>What are some cool terminal commands?
1. open multiple terminal windows
2. say hello to them all :^)

$ for i in /dev/pts/*; do echo hello >$i; done

>>109968363
There are a lot more than that but many of them are fairly obscure.

openSUSE
NixOS
GNU Guix
Slackware
Void
Alpine

I think people should stop blindly suggesting alternatives like Gimp for Photoshop, or LibreOffice for MS Office.

I use Gimp and LibreOffice on a daily basis, but to suggest they are proper alternatives shows that you never used either software or you are just saying what you read online. Gimp doesn't have content-aware fill, and LibreOffice Writer doesn't support something as simple as section breaks.

If you suggest alternatives without hinting at their shortcomings, the person at the other end starts using them and gets hit with limitations and starts asking "was i trolled or something?"

Now if you suggest Blender as an alternative to 3dsmax, I can agree with this because Blender is actually a very capable program that has been used in studios and production games.

So please, if you have used programs to some extent, feel free to suggest them and point out the limitations on the Linux alternatives, and if you haven't, don't give the impression that something like Gimp can be a drop-in replacement for Photoshop.

>>109968150
Installed, still can't sleep.

>>109965252
create an account nigga

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>>109968513
>create an account nigga

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Why are KDE defaults so shit?
Everything is too small even on a laptop, never had any issues on Windows defaults or on GNOME defaults, only on KDE

>>109968550
because end user experience is always a last priority

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>>109968524
>>create an account nigga

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>>109963483
I wanna try gayland, which components exactly do I have to replace/install? I know I should install wl-clipboard to replace xclip, but what else? Or will everything get installed automatically if I install a desktop like KDE?
t. xfcechad
>>109968550
God I wish that was me, but with Teto instead of Miku.

I wanna try remoting into my Linux machine from my Windows machine in another city, with full desktop use. AIslop recommended using Tailscale + RustDesk, is that alright for a newbie? I've never used any remote tools before.

>>109968942
Sunshine and Moonlight

>>109968857
gayland is a protocol, you don't install anything
what you need to find is implementation apps, and all these apps implemented their own special snowflake

>>109968318
Thank u anon for explaining this to me. It was really only this site + 4chanx user script that really bothered me.

[snip] kernel: audit: type=1400 audit(...): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" class="file" profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" name="/etc/paperspecs" pid=... comm="cupsd" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[snip] kernel: audit: type=1400 audit(...): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" class="file" profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" name="/etc/paperspecs" pid=... comm="cupsd" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[snip] kernel: audit: type=1400 audit(...): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" class="file" profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" name="/etc/paperspecs" pid=... comm="cupsd" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[snip] kernel: audit: type=1400 audit(...): apparmor="DENIED" operation="capable" class="cap" profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" pid=... comm="cupsd" capability=12  capname="net_admin"
[snip] kernel: audit: type=1400 audit(...): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" class="file" profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" name="/etc/paperspecs" pid=... comm="cupsd" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0

Devuan's Apparmor profiles are schizo. Fucking man spams syslog with denying fopen()s. On Debian it's still bad, but only cupsd gets blocked.
Why is this shit misconfigured out of the box? I'm disabling this shit and purging the init script.
>Why do you care?
Mostly because this spams the TTYs while I'm trying to use them. So if I have a shell running on tty1-6 it gets this garbage on the console, sometimes while I'm in the middle of typing something.

>>109968363
>Debian
old shit that nobody should use
>Fedora
corpo shit that someone might use
>Arch
community shit that breaks
>Gentoo
community shit that nobody has time for
>>109968435
>openSUSE
german fedora (even saw an ad for it on youtube when i used linux mint)
>NixOS
community shit with bad documentation that nobody uses
>GNU Guix
has two users total
>Slackware
even order and more useless debian
>Void
blm arch
>Alpine
container distro

Hey guys is it true that nobody uses Debian as a desktop OS

>>109970590
Well you can and be made pretty easily into a workable desktop OS, but a lot don't bother and just use distros made specifically for desktop use like Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu.

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>>109970590

>>109963636
>Moving from LXQt to XFCE because LXQt doesn't have malware support

>>109963655
Maybe if you weren't a retard who installed proprietary malware on your device you wouldn't have to worry about the malware on your device spying on you

>>109970628
Wayland is malware now?

>>109966314
“Linux people do what they do because they hate Microsoft. We do what we do because we love Unix.”

– Theo de Raadt, Creator of OpenBSD

>>109970355
using le community as an insult in foss context makes no fucking sense, retard
foss by definition is community oriented, as opposed to centralized corpo shit

>>109966918
Use fvwm
You can make it look like xfce

>>109967345
>Terminal emulators
XTerm

>Editors
Vi
>>109968034
Maybe if you weren't using a meme distro everything would just werk

>>109967151
Done it. had to use a reinstall all packages function.

>>109970355
void is arch but based, arch is literally one of those trooniest blm distros out there

>>109970355
>gets filtered by nix documentation
skill issue

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>use zram for swap
>compile some big program
>at peak, one or two gigabytes worth of swap gets used
>disable zram, enable zswap
>as zswap requires physical swap, slap in a 1GB swap file
>do the same compilation again
>no swap gets used
So, zswap is way smarter huh? Both used zstd btw.

>>109965596
Does Arch even have a GUI update manager?

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>kde has kcalc
>kde has also kalk

>>109970937
both swap usages can not be compared because zram lives only in ram for example so it basically doesn't matter how much it uses because it never touches your fucking ssd.

>>109970954
In both cases all the swapping "lived in RAM". See:
>no swap gets used
So zswap made smarter decisions and there was less overhead.

>>109970975
you can change the setting to swap less. zram swaps a lot with default settings.

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Why's there no ShareAza for Linux? I want a full featured Gnutella2 client.

>>109970979
Right. Can't remember the exacts, both setups were 100% manual.

>>109970945
>new
>old

I love zram, it's basically the "download more RAM" meme but for real. Don't have enough RAM? Just compress everything before you put data into it!

>>109967345
>st
st is good, but a pain to configure and maintain. I keep mine around for old machines that can't handle the modern GPU-accelerated terminals. Compared to urxvt, it's far better once you get it patched properly
>Alacritty
Solid choice all around. Very fast and simple. Cross-platform
>Ghostty
It's good and has lots of features, but I don't use a lot of them, so I end up going back to Alacritty

>Neovim
It has become bloated over time, but it works most of the time. Gets the job done
>Helix
Never tried it. gay purple default color. Imitates the Kakoune style motions and not super configurable from what ive heard
>Kakoune
barebones. I get the appeal of the "select-first" style motions, but the editor itself is lacking a lot useful features that you can get from vim/emacs out of the box
>Emacs
worth it. I used vim/nvim for 5+ years, then converted. In retrospect, everything in vim/nvim felt like a cheap imitation of the same and often better-implemented features emacs has. Everything feels complete and cohesive. If you want something, there's a package for it. Native elisp compilation now so it's faster

>>109971008
>real
fake*
swapfile however is 100% real

>>109968214
Not sure what you are trying to do | is used a pipe, forexample

 cat file.txt | grep "text"

.
You could write in some different ways, i'm guessing you are looking for something like this

command $(command parameters)
variable="command parameters"; command $variable

If you want to use arguments like $1 in alias, you need to encapsulate it as a function

 alias example='example() { echo "$1"; }; example' 

>>109958159
Installed this setup successfully on my laptop. Currently emerging desktop profile, I'll post an image when I'm in IceWM.

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The shit I have to do for HDR capture card recording
When will OBS update the V4L2 source and put P010 in the format list?

>>109971288
I'm piping the output of one command to the second. The first needs an argument. So if I got you correctly I'd need to do

 alias a='a() {cmd1 "$1"; }; cmd2' 

>>109963668
Dmenu and st are pretty cool programs.
I guess dwm as well, but it requires too many patches to get anything barely functional working while st and dmenu don't.

>>109963636
The lxqt wayland package is just a bunch of shell scripts and desktop files you can just manually install the .deb from unstable if you want wayland support for lxqt.

>>109971972
You don't need to alias it, you can make it a function directly.

>>109970979
Is it a good or bad thing that zram swaps a lot?

this is the optimal linux experience

>install codex/claude code
>help me choose a distro and prepare installation media
>install the distro
>install codex/claude code
>help set this machine up

no need to google anything.
run into an issue? always the same solution - run codex/claude code and tell it to fix it.
you don't need to type any shit into a terminal.
it just werks and will save anyone hours.

>>109970937
Did you tune for ZRAM? You need to change some settings. Btw, zstd is overkill for memory compression, memory compresses extremely well with the fastest options too... not worth any miniscule performance loss from zstd.

>>109970684
Not listening to anything theo the rat has to say sorry

How do I get Fedora to stop prompting me to update Firefox? I installed it from the Mozilla repo, and now that Fedora has caught up, they're telling me I have an update, an update that doesn't even install, because I already have the latest version.

>>109970355
>Debian
Socialists
>Fedora
Capitalists
>Arch
Gamers
>Gentoo
Masochists
>openSUSE
German capitalists
>NixOS
Autists
>GNU Guix
Communists
>Slackware
Boomers
>Void
Contrarians
>Alpine
Nobody runs this on bare metal

>>109972188
>Did you tune for ZRAM?
IIRC I set maximum swappines for ZRAM and minimal for Zswap, thought that's how it supposed to be done.
>zstd is overkill for memory compression
Extra info? Should I prefer lz4 instead?
>>109972225
Slackware was always for hipsters.

>>109972207
delete the repo and get the flatpack version of firefox

>>109972233
>Slackware
Yeah I got lazy with that one, especially given that Volkerding is Gen X. I hereby switch Slackware to "Gen X hipsters".

Should I go for OpenRC Gentoo as a daily driver? I'm openminded. Max customization, a system as minimal as possible in the beginning and I get to install all the programs by myself afterwards, and never having to update except for maybe important security updates, is what I'm after, is what sounds good. Compiling sounds a bit crappy but there's those precompiled binaries and all.

>>109966879
If a window is hidden then it won't be captured in a screenshot, right?

>>109970628
Why do you think Wayland is malware

>>109972036
Interesting. Maybe at some point I could try that. At the moment though, XFCE/Wayland/labwc is working okay for me.

>>109972301
Yeah it's a totally fine way to use Linux daily. It's basically the most mainstream independent option, plus OpenRC has gotten updates over the years that make setting up things like Pipewire much easier then it use to be, much closer to how it works with systemd.

>>109972301
Or just run Debian with OpenRC and save yourself the hassle.
https://packages.debian.org/trixie/openrc

echo 'APT::Install-Recommends "false";' | sudo tee /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99norecommends

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>add `console=/dev/ttyS4` to kernel cmdline
>this somehow results in dracut not seeing my nvme drive and refusing to boot
fuck Linus and fuck Linux

>>109972052
>this is the optimal linux experience
>>install codex/claude code
awesome, i love israel

>>109972633
the alternative is to search (((the internet)))
either way, you must accept the superiority of the chosen people

>>109970355
>>109972225
>AntiX
Antifascists
>Mint, Manjaro, Zorin OS, AnduinOS, Linux Lite
Windows refugees
>Omarchy
Trannies and chuds
>OpenMandriva Lx
Chuds

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>>109972790
>Antifascists

>>109970714
i stand by it.

>>109972790
We were doing independent distros. Of those, only OpenMandriva qualifies.

>>109971972
you need to run the function a
alias a='a() { cmd1 "$1" | cmd2 ; }; a'

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>>109970721
Ok, thanks
My phone's battery died mid installation so I'm doing it again, but only with the A, L, N and X series this time (will still take a millennium, but it is what it is)
>>109966918
The suggestions are still open, btw! It doesn't have to be something I'd be familiar with. I'm installing Slackware in a mobile phone. Suffering and new experiences is the point.
If I get DOOM to run I'll post it here.

To the fella helping me out yesterday (and anyone else who cares to weigh in): >>109967517

What, uh, distro do you suggest I use just for this temporary project? And do I /need/ Ventoy if I'm already using Rufus (to format a bootable drive)?

I've got some crap to take care of today so I wanted to at least get the USB set up then I'll go through the effort of checking to see if it will discover my disk probably later tonight, if not the morning at the latest.

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Say thank you right now
>Linux made by a Finn
>KDE made by Germans
>systemd made by another German
>QEMU and ffmpeg made by a Frenchman
>XFCE made by another Frenchman
>Linux Mint made by yet another Frenchman
>VLC made by more French people
>C++, TypeScript, C#, and PHP (all of which run on Linux) all made by Danes

>>109973202
>and anyone else who cares to weigh in
i skimmed your thing
if i understood right that you need a distro for trying diagnostic / data recovery tools under linux, https://www.system-rescue.org/ might be a good fit, it's made for this purpose and comes with some relevant tools preinstalled
>And do I /need/ Ventoy
it's just one way to boot isos, rufus should work too, assuming it works with linux isos (haven't personally used it for that)

If i have a SSD with limited space (no space in my case for HDD) can i use compression with zstd to reduce space taken by game .isos (cd stuff, think ps2, ps3)? Or are they already compressed enough?

>>109973284
And none of them were made by the leftist union on your pic.

Good evening gentlemen.
I'm a bit shitfaced so I'll keep it short - how do I get LiveSplit's auto splitter working on Nobara, Zorin, and Cachy?

>>109973309
>Or are they already compressed enough?
i don't think game isos have any built-in compression if they're just copies of disc contents, so it would depend on what they put on the disc and how compressible it is
i have a network share for my hacked ps2 with some isos on it, just tested compressing it and it shrank to 0.73x the size (48G -> 35G)
i'm using btrfs with the compress-force=zstd:3 mount option and compsize to see the size
if you're using an emulator, it might have support for loading isos in some compressed format so you can do that regardless of filesystem

>>109973422
Good evening. I have no idea. Thank you!

>>109973011
Ah I got it now. Thank you anon!

>>109973591
You aren't welcome. ;)-<-<

>>109972233
>IIRC I set maximum swappines for ZRAM and minimal for Zswap, thought that's how it supposed to be done.
Yeah, as in 200? I'm not actually sure if it can go even over that. Faster swap devices need a higher swappiness value. The low values are for hard disks.

>Should I prefer lz4 instead?
I would, here's a benchmark I've saved. lz4 is way faster while still giving you lots of headroom from compression. This is the same for both types of compressed RAM.

Compressor name Ratio   Compression Decompress.
zstd 1.5.1 -1   2.887   530 MB/s    1700 MB/s
lzo1x 2.10 -1   2.106   660 MB/s    845 MB/s
lz4 1.9.3       2.101   740 MB/s    4500 MB/s

>>109970590
It is true that a small minority of users use it. Similar to how a minority of users use something like LXDE/LXQt instead of Plasma or GNOME. It is basically a container and server distro like Alpine.
The only thing you can do is cope by saying "Ubuntu IS Debian therefore Debian is popular", but this is almost like saying ChromeOS is Gentoo therefore Gentoo is popular.

>>109972233
swappiness is supposed to reflect the speed of swap vs random filesystem access (on /bin or whatever). Which for zram means use your compression benchmark speed / your SSD's random access speed on a scale of 0-200 as a starting point (probably ~140). For zswap start with the default of 60 because swap is still normal swap. Assuming root and swap are on the same drive. Also set vm.page-cluster=0 with zram because there's no point batching IO on a RAM disk.

>>109973685
Yeah lz4 is better unless you're badly memory constrained and also don't want swap to touch storage. Like on a phone or router with dumb flash boot media.

Forewarning - I'm kind of retarded.
I've got an existing linux install but need to dual boot for a video game I really want to play whose anticheat has its "fuck linux" box checked.
Can I just install windows on a separate ssd or would I need to have them both on different partitions of the same disk?

>>109973924
That's your best chance of not fucking something up, yes. Disable the Linux drive in BIOS, install Windows on the other SSD, and then when the install is finished, enable the Linux drive again and you can swap between the two drives by hitting F8 on your BIOS boot screen.

>>109973924
It makes no difference, but you may want to configure secure boot for convenience.

>>109972316
Debian doesnt support openrc as an init system. The only one they have any semblance of support for is sysvinit and all the other inits just use a shim to manipulate sysvinit service files

TIL signal-desktop has an official appimage but they still recommend people install through the apt repo on debian/ubuntu since the appimage requires more manual work to set up

>>109972790
>>109972800
>>109972826
>Damn Small, Tiny Core, SliTaz
Broke niggers with dinosaur computers
>CachyOS, Bazzite, Nobara, other "gayming-oriented" distros
Oppressed race (gamers are oppressed)
>ALT, Rosa, MiniOS
Ziggers

>>109974410
You just have to install libfuse2t64 to make the appimage work on Debian.

>>109974528
nvm that's what I had to do to get Session's appimage to install.

I just installed Debian 13, and Discord has this weird problem where it's just a grey window. Does anyone know why this is? Could it be a GPU driver issue?

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>>109973170
>>109966918
Bros... It's still installing...
I partitioned the disks so that there'd be a 9GB SDA1 Linux Filesystem partition and a 1GB SDA2 Linux Swap partition.
Also, just out of curiosity, how does the fdisk partition work? I only know how to do the cfdisk one. Any benefit in doing it via fdisk?

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What the fuck happened to audacity? How did they fuck up this badly? Everything feels horrible.

What's a good alternative?

>>109974852
A full Slackware installation takes a while
>Any benefit in doing it via fdisk?
Not in my experience, I've always preferred cfdisk anyway.

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i cant believe i was tricked into thinking KDE would be the solution. trying to get a nice looking desktop has been nothing short but a nightmare. i think i'll stay with gnome

>>109971013
>GPU-accelerated terminals
Why a terminal needs gpu acceleration? you're just using more energy for no good reason
>I need cascades of text to render quickly
that's not how you use a terminal

>>109973312
It's the flag of Europe as a continent. The flag was created in the 1950s, three decades before the EU adopted it in the 1980s.

But also, every country I mentioned is part of the EU.

>>109968442
real linux users use a pirated PS CS6 on wine, and latex for documents. Or they barely know GUI and mainly use tty+tmux. All of this "alternatives" are only made for normies and no respectable linux user uses libreoffice or gimp.

>>109975261
cinnamon*

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Niggas, why do Intel and AMD CPUs have firmware backdoors that bypass the main OS, run even when the computer is powered off/crashed and give access to the computer's memory? Why did the NSA ask Intel for sensitive government machines to have ME removed if it wasn't a security and privacy problem? Why do Intel CPUs run its own OS with Ring -3 priority that can access the network on its own, be manipulated remotely and bypass OS and firewalls to access memory, even when my computer is turned off? WTF? Why are glowniggers like this? How am I supposed to buy a laptop now? It seems like post 2013 AMD CPUs also have similar firmware (PSP), but they don't have network access and the firmware can't be manipulated remotely, requiring a federal agent to be in physical possession of my computer or to invade it through the OS. This leads me to conclude that an AMD CPU is more tolerable if I watch my OS's security and never let my laptop out of my sight. Is my tolerant perception towards AMD mistaken? How do I guarantee my OS level security? Any application/kernel/daemon to install/build? Any distro I should check out? Should I consider OpenBSD? I know nothing about OS security besides to not use SNAP and to avoid SystemD.

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>>109975242
>A full Slackware installation takes a while
Would a terse installation have been faster? Should I have chosen something else? It's been more than six hours, and I think I saw it install some shit I expected to be in series I didn't select, like some GNU emacs shit. I only selected the A, L, N and X series.
Like, why is this gnome adjacent package being installed? Did I select that? Or is it the FULL installation's fault?

>>109975487
>It's been more than six hours
That's a very long time. I would assume it's because of the hardware.

>>109975391
>real linux users use a pirated PS CS6 on wine
hey how do I achieve that? I still have my ISO so I can install it, however I don't know how to do that on Linux.
NTA btw just was wondering

>>109963655
This does NOT matter to 99.9% of users, and hasn't mattered in the entirety of my time using Linux. Did you just read this somewhere and start parroting it?

>>109975628
correction: it's not an iso, forgot it's an exe installer oopsies

>>109975634
The fuck you talking about? That's a neat security feature

>>109967345
Alacritty is great once you get its configuration file set up and all that. Then it's really flexible. For example:

alacritty -t "Homo Top" -o window.dimensions.columns=130 -o window.dimensions.lines=30 -e bash -lc "htop"

>Okay the malware can delete all my files but at least it can't take a screenshot of me browsing 4chan

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spent 2 hours trying to figure out why logging out and logging back into my user account caused my entire computer to lock up
turns out it was lightdm fighting over my GPU and iGPU. i didnt really understand tbhdesu, chatgpt just figured it out for me
honestly i wouldve switched back to W10 by now if it wasnt for chatgpt, migrating to linux has been such a fucking hassle. why cant things just work

Is it normal for Linux/Fedora to have a lot of old packages just lying around? For example I had zfs-fuse from Fedora 42 installed (I've never used ZFS or manually installed this)

>>109976057
proof?

>>109971005
nicotone++ (slsk)

>>109976081
Yeah fedora has the tendency to accumilate a lot of garbage due to constant incrimental updates

>Mess around with my NixOS config
>Do a last rebuild and shut down the computer
>Come back later
>Just a blank screen after the boot loader
>Okay NixOS is supposedly indestructible, let's try an older generation
>Blank screen with ALL generations, not even an error message
>Well fuck
>Boot the live USB and chroot into the system and rebuild the config once more
>It works again
WTF? Atomic my ass

>>109976057
I mean, if all it can do is delete all the files, and I happen to be using NixOS or Guix, and routinely have snapshot of my system flashed in a USB drive, I guess that's at best a minor inconvenience.

>>109976138
Is there any way to sort/search the version number

dnf list -installed

shows a lot of shit, is there any way to just display things that have fc42 in the version name? That way you can clean some of the old shit easily at least.

>>109976138
>>109976171
Nvm, found out you can do | grep fc42

>>109976155
Maybe it can also upload your personal stuff to the internet?

>>109976185
Then might be a problem, yeah. I was assuming all it did was destroy everything and nothing else, since that's what the green text allowed me to infer.

>>109975000
uh-oh, last time I used audacity in March it had the old UI. But Im on 22.04

isnt there a fork, tenacity?

>>109976203
>isnt there a fork, tenacity?
I tried it. It's also shit
I just settled for the new version of audacity

>>109976057
Are you the guy who keeps calling Wayland "malware"?

Name one way in which Wayland is malware which doesn't also apply to X11

>>109976380
>Are you the guy who keeps calling Wayland "malware"?
No. I'm just saying that wayland won't save you if you have malware on your PC that has access to your data

Should I try Omarchy?

>>109976825
If you've used Arch you've used Omarchy

>>109976834
I suppose but I like the out of the box config of Omarchy. So I guess is it a okay shortcut to get the desktop I want?

>>109976843
If you like Omarchy's premade DE-like Hyprland setup then yeah I guess give it a look.

>>109963710
containers keep improving, open source is becoming more coherent and competitive, declarative distros like guix and nix have improved by a lot and more that i cant remember now

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>>109975316
>Why a terminal needs gpu acceleration?
So you can make it look le cool

HOLY SHIT IT FINISHED INSTALLING
it only took about 9 hours
I'll se what I should do next, try to run neofetch/fastfetch, install a WM and try to run DOOM

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>>109976862
I forgot picrel, sorry bros

>>109963483
My version of Linux Mint (21.3) is about expire in April. If I upgrade to 22, will my programs and games still work?

for virtual machines to test stuff
is it better to use qemu on linux instead of the other options

>>109973293
That other anon suggested a Linux distro, which I guess would be easier to use for data recovery? Unless you could rec something Windows-appropriate that would be easier or more manageable. This is my first time doing anything with data recovery.

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>>109976866
Alright niggas, I finished the installation and powered it off and restarted the qemu emulation without the boot d and cdrom flags, and it started after starting some daemons for a few minutes
I chose the twm as the default as the installer only allowed me to chose between it and mwm.

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>>109977323
It works!
I don't know what I'm looking at, but it works!
Is this the terminal? Are there two terminal windows open? Why did they open on their own? What is that login window? Didn't I just login? Is that a clock?

does SELinux have any peformance impact?

>>109977383
you're looking at TWM "Tom's/Tab Window Manager". It's a very old window manager that often ships with X because it's super lightweight. If you don't install anything else it's usually what runs. It's extremely basic. The three terminal windows are just the default configuration for it I believe

>>109977383
If you have fvwm installed, logout and

startx /usr/bin/fvwm

.

Ok, so doing the installation without the AP series seems to have been a mistake because now I don't have the slackpkg package and I'm having issues installing it.
I figured it out how to exit the Termux session without deleting the progress so everything is fine for now and I'll go to sleep. Maybe tomorrow I'll get DOOM running.

Friends, whose idea was it to make Cachy based on Arch? I have a few friends who have decided "I'm gonna try Linux for gaming". Cachy is their go-to. And inevitably they find something breaks. Why? Because it's Arch with a coat of paint.

I've been using Linux since I was 16, and I'm 34 now. You know what I use? Fucking Ubuntu LTS. You know why? Because after trying my hand through other distros, I've come to realize that Ubuntu is what lets me spend the least amount of time getting shit to work. And also, if someone makes any software for Linux at all, chances are they've made a .deb package for it at the very least.

When noobies ask me what distro they want to use, I tell them Ubuntu LTS without hesitation. It'll give them the least amount of troubles, and it's the easiest for me to help them troubleshoot. And if I can't help them, the Internet will certainly be able to help them. But no, they all gotta install Cachy. Because we can't just install Nvidia drivers and Lutris on Ubuntu. No, that'd be the easy way out. And then I gotta figure out how the fuck they managed to brick things.

>>109977856
Prompt?

Does fedora just have no fucking software packaged for the distro? I was looking into terminal emulators and whatever and fedora just has 3 out of like 15 I've heard of. Obviously it's no biggie but what if I had a config for one that just should be in the repository or whatever it's called? I would be angry. Then the ones that actually are on there aren't even updated. I don't get the point, I thought fedora was this super duper well supported has anything distro maybe I'm just crazy

I posted in the older threads, but I should've made the move to Linux sooner. I'm a few days into Zorin (I'm a Windows refugee) and it's really good.
I'll stay with Zorin for a while, but I have a spare M2 SSD with an external adapter, which I'll use to install other distros and experiment.

>>109975316
>Why a terminal needs gpu acceleration? you're just using more energy for no good reason
Rendering tons of text is faster.

>>109978230
Who cares about terminals? Just use a GUI. If you need a terminal, use the one your distro came with.

>>109978230
There's no reason for a distro to package every terminal emulator ever made. You'll probably find your terminal emulators in the COPR repo or as downloadable rpm packages.

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>>109971005
>>new
>>old
both are part of the kde-utilities-meta package tho

>>109963483

why does GIMP allow APNG import, but not export? use case?

i use jdanimatedimageeditor for APNG compiling

>>109978528
>meta package
Meta packages are some rando distro dev's ideas. Kalk clearly doesn't belong there, someone should message the dev.
>>109978292
If you want to distrohop there's a partitioning scheme you could try:
>1GB EFI system partition (if an EFI PC)
>20-50GB for distribution A
>20-50GB for distribution B
Or maybe 100GB if you want to install Gentoo, it needs more space for a compilation cache.
>rest of the drive for a shared partition

>>109975261
That logo has so much soul

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>>109964999
Take the Rocky 8.10 pill and never look back.

>>109967345

just boot to runlevel 3 them vim or nano till you see no keys?

>>109974676

possibly there be no human input

>>109972806
>I'm a retard
we know

>>109975391

yes anon the german distro with uni av codecs plus porn turn linux into windows imitation updates and all

>>109976152
there must be something wrong during the build

>>109968442
those features you mentioned are not very important and you can easily work your way around it
you expect foss alternatives to behave the same way as those proprietary shitware, which basically means you're too accustomed to those proprietary shitware, and can't adapt to foss alternatives

I stayed on Fedora 42 until 44 came out and then just did 2 upgrades in a row, I think I'll do this with 45/46 too. Anyone else do this?

>>109978230
Fedora is just a RHEL regression suite and alpha test bed.
You shouldn't be using it for anything besides being paid to bug test RHEL since like 2017, when Big Blue absorbed them.

>>109980853
that's the way to do it bro, constantly updating is just asking to have your storage disk trashed and deal with needless bugs, unless it's zero day shit, but those are rare

>>109981022
Are you baiting or what?

>>109978536
>why does GIMP allow APNG import, but not export?
>can import a format
>can't save back out to it
It's because APNG support is a half-baked feature because GIMP is still living in drama from 2004.
>PNG Working Group sees animated GIF in 1997 and it's good but large and inefficient
>PNG Working Group proposes a complex Itanium-tier redesign format MNG in '01. It's a bitch to work with.
>PNG Working Group controls the RFC with an iron fist for another 15 years
>in 2004-2007 Mozilla is riding high and kludges animation into the PNG code, and vendors libpng from the PNG Working Group with the unofficial patch set
>libpng can read and write animated PNGs as long as you use Mozilla's patches in your distro (Gentoo does)
>GIMP would have to ship the vendored libpng on most platforms that aren't Gentoo and maintain it when schizo AI declares a use-after-free somewhere
>The PNG Working Group is basically defunct for another 15 years so nobody will ratify the extension and nobody really supports libpng anyway anymore. It's dead code.
>in 2025 the W3C declares Animated PNGs real but does not make a new library for it because they're paper pushers and not coders.
GIMP won't support it properly until Google or Mozilla or some guy in Bratislava releases a library for it so GIMP isn't on the hook for the code and vulnerabilities against it. There's been buffer overflows in libpng already so it's not unwarranted but it's also characteristic Cathedral Free Software laziness.

>>109981099
nope, I don't get a dopamine hit with updooting like a retard every single day

>>109981134
You update your software once a year?

I am finally back on linux. Everything I want just works. I waited so long for this due to pc parts prices but now I can finally ditch windows and macos. I can't believe how shitty moderns OSes are

>>109981142
when I feel like it, there is no rhyme or reason, restarting the PC is annoying

>>109978230
just clone the git repo and build it yourself or get RPM-fusion like everyone else does with fedora

>>109981142
NTA but I get lazy with updates after like a week. And then I stop updating until the next major version because I worry about a minor version update to libfuckoff breaking Wine somehow.

>>109981238
yeah I don't get this updoot mentality, larping as a sysadmin or developer and treating your OS like a job instead of a tool

>>109981238
I assume you still update your browser and kernel though?

>>109970945
KDE ecosystem in a nutshell
It's my biggest gripe with KDE

>>109981307
You can't apt upgrade to only firefox and the kernel and half the time, if you try to get to picky with it, you still upgrade libfuckoff anyway.
Nope. If it's good enough for the install disk it's good enough to drive until 2 years and the next install disk.

>>109981479
bro use the flatpack version of Firefox at least

>>109979827
>those features you mentioned are not very important
t-thanks ebussy

>>109981508
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>flatpack
bro, I'll compile firefox from source before I use a runc shitware on my box.
And I've compiled firefox from source before, it's a bitch to configure the build and it takes like 3 hours. Actually, that was from before they rustified and got their programmer socks so it's probably even worse now.

>>109981544
holy autism

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>>109979572
>8.10
Truly the comfiest release I've been on. I should consider taking the container pill before updooting to RHEL 10.

>>109981479
Have a systemd timer run this daily. Or use notify-send if you're too much of a lazy fuck to have system mail set up.

#!/usr/bin/env bash
updates=$(dnf check-upgrade --advisory-severities=critical --json | jq -r '.upgrades[].name' 2>/dev/null)
if [ -n "$updates" ]; then
    sendmail -t <<-HERE
        To: anonymous@4chan.org
        Subject: Desktop updates available
        Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
        Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

        $(dnf check-upgrade --advisory-severities=critical --changelogs)
        HERE
fi

90% of the time it just tells you to update firefox.

I find myself depending on A.I. too much to tell me what to input in the terminal
How do I learn that shit the old-school way? That shit hallucinates and just isn't giving me the right answer.
I want to learn how to learn, even if it'll take hours, days, weeks or more. I use void Linux, Slackware and I'm thinking about trying out alpine. Where do I learn their package managers, unique shit and just how to use the terminal? I want to become autistic

>>109981731
ask ChatGPT

>>109981238
I'm lazy and update stuff like around every 2 months.

>>109981731
>How do I learn that shit the old-school way?
Just use a search engine and click whichever stackechange result comes up first.

Can there be something dangerous in an mp4 file or is that a meme perpetuated by computer illiterates who fell for shit like Avengers.mp4.exe? Also is it relevant to Linux if yes?

>>109981864
Will do so
Thanks fren
Also I got angry and deleted the Termux storage and Slackware 32bit iso
If I do it again I'll I stall the AP, X, XAP and possibly the XFCE series, even if it takes two days to install.

I'm in KDE, my logitech mouse keeps giving me popups that it's at 1% battery and then when I check the power applet it shows the mouse is at 55%. I changed the battery so neither are true but 55% wouldn't give me annoying popups. What do?

>>109981944
install a real DE/WM

I got LUKS working on my Raspberry Pi

Too much effort, but I'm glad it's finally working

>>109981963
Never change, /g/.

>>109980853
No. I either completely block updates with no intention of ever downloading them, or religiously update once a month.

>>109981134
I check for updates every evening just before turning off my PC. Then I install them and turn my PC off. So everything is ready to go for when I boot the next day. This isn't for dopamine. It's because I want my PC to be secure.

>>109963636
i thought wayland support in xfce was still in the experimental stage?

>>109982391
it is

>>109981577
>I should consider taking the container pill before updooting to RHEL 10.
Absolutely. 8 still lives until 2029, and even then if you're using real RHEL you can shell out some sheks if you want support until 2033.

>>109971771
Image here of my setup: >>109982971

>>109982990
I made that background.

>>109983001
Good job, it's very nice.

Will piracy on Linux ever be as effortless as it is on Windows?

>>109983115
it already is

is there genuinely no way to fix mousepad scrolling on Gnome?

>>109983146
uninstall

>>109983146
what's wrong with it?

>>109981944
Have you installed Solaar? Iirc it has extra udev rules for this. Works on Fedora 44 KDE with MX Master anyway.

>>109983749
I'll give it a try. For now I just disabled the popup, I'll re-enable it without sound and see if Solaar helps.

>>109983749
>>109984159
It still happens, idk I'll just keep the popup disabled, it's my only powered peripheral so I'll just find out the hard way when the battery runs out lmao.

>>109981731
man pages
https://github.com/tldr-pages/tldr
also check out fish shell for better auto-complete

is it possible to hide a user on linux? i mean not just encrypt the home drive, i mean somehow obfuscate the users existance in the first place? from things like /etc/passwd and whatnot, and obviously the home directory shouldn't even be seen from root. Somehow the mechanism of logging in with the correct credentials will unlock and reveal the account itself.

The idea is if my user1 gets compromised and the hacker gains root privs then he wont even be aware of user2

>>109984635
If they have root you're cooked. To prevent that you'd have to essentially dual boot.

>>109984682
hmm that sucks because i cant dual boot (i need to be able to easily switch). Oh well i guess i'll just take the risk and hope a potential would be hacker leaves my gooning user account alone.

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>>109967345
emacs is the one with the best 4chan plugin

>>109983749
>Have you installed Solaar?
not installing any reddit ass sounding shit on my machine

In the new firefox there's a huge-ass login button at the top of the hamburger menu. I don't sign into anything, let alone my web browser.
How do I disable it and will some distros carry patches to avoid it?

>>109984983
use ESR

>>109984983
The new compact UI mode in the settings makes it small enough that it doesn't bother me anymore.

is xfce still a viable choice?
i want to get the best input latency possible and thats x11 with compositor disabled

>>109985029
if you want a desktop environment then yeah that's as good as it gets imo

>>109985029
XFCE actually still uses the X11 compositor. LXQt substitutes it with a window manager of choice, usually Openbox.
If you're willing to sacrifice a DE, a pure lightweight WM gives the least latency, but it's genuinely negligible compared to LXQt (this DE is just a WM+some daemons), and XFCE still is extremely fast.