MossyDiscussion and Development of Local Image, Video, and Audio ModelsPrevious: >>110084074https://rentry.org/ldg-lazy-getting-started-guide>UIComfyUI: https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUISwarmUI: https://github.com/mcmonkeyprojects/SwarmUISDWebUI: https://rentry.org/ldg-lazy-getting-started-guide#the-stable-diffusion-web-ui-lineageAniStudio: https://github.com/FizzleDorf/AniStudioWan2GP: https://github.com/deepbeepmeep/Wan2GPNeural-Pixel (sd.cpp): https://github.com/Luiz-Alcantara/Neural-Pixel>Checkpoints, LoRAs, & Upscalershttps://huggingface.co/modelshttps://huggingbay.xyzhttps://civitai.comhttps://civitaiarchive.comhttps://openmodeldb.info>Tuninghttps://github.com/spacepxl/demystifying-sd-finetuninghttps://github.com/ostris/ai-toolkithttps://github.com/Nerogar/OneTrainerhttps://github.com/tdrussell/diffusion-pipehttps://github.com/kohya-ss/sd-scriptshttps://github.com/kohya-ss/musubi-tuner>Qwen Image 2.1https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen-Image-2.1>Minimax H3https://huggingface.co/Comfy-Org/MiniMax-H3https://neta.art/use-cases/en/h3-1000-prompt-list>Animahttps://huggingface.co/circlestone-labs/Animahttps://animastyles.thetacursed.comhttps://tagexplorer.github.io/https://animadex.net>Krea 2https://huggingface.co/krea/Krea-2-Rawhttps://huggingface.co/krea/Krea-2-Turbohttps://lumenastrum.github.io/clio-style-preview/gallery/>Kleinhttps://huggingface.co/collections/black-forest-labs/flux2>MiscShare Metadata: https://catbox.moe | https://litterbox.catbox.moe/Txt2Img Plugin: https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusionArchive: https://rentry.org/sdg-linkCollage: https://rentry.org/neo_collage>Neighbors>>>/aco/csdg>>>/b/degen>>>/gif/vdg>>>/d/ddg>>>/e/edg>>>/h/hdg>>>/trash/slop>>>/vt/vtai>>>/u/udg>Local Text>>>/g/lmg>Maintain Thread Qualityhttps://rentry.org/debohttps://rentry.org/animanon
>>110085843With all your hatred towards "avatarfags" you sure as fuck can't resist from putting your ugly bitch in every thread your bake, retard. At least use someone else's gen if you are too stupid to use a user script.
Blessed thread of frenship
>>110085843I've never seen it make the letters themselves backwards but not the text itself. That's kinda funny. Can krea actually do legit backwards text with enough rerolls? I didnt seem to have much difficulty doing it with qwen.
>ask chatgoypt for a krea2 prompt for an image>comes out super sloppedugh i guess i do gotta write it myself after all
ok what's the catch with mossthere has to be one it's way too good
>>110085920don't you put your own gens in the collage? that's way gayer than what he's doing.
>>110085954i think anon just prompted the words spelled backwards
nb4 he starts reposting stuff from this thread to the other thread to make it look like the other thread is active
>>110085954I took a anon's suggestion and just wrote it mirrored>>110085967I don't make those never have, also he puts his images in it all the time. Regardless he was late by seconds and is now melting down making duplicate threads. Ignore him
>>110085965hello there fellow doomerthe impending feeling of doom is growing by the minute, there's gotta be a catch
>>110085960>krea2Why are you still using that outdated bloat model tho ?
>>110085965the catch is that it's only a 5B parameter model, no matter how much funetuning it will always lag behind in certain capabilities than models with higher params
feels so cozy with no """news""" spam
kreafags have been left behind
>mfw Resource news10/16/2026>MOSS-Image: Text-to-Image Generation with Native Layout Controlhttps://openmoss.ai/MOSS-Image>MOSS-image ComfyUI Repackagehttps://huggingface.co/Comfy-Org/MOSS-Image>MiniMax-H3 Sol Engine in ComfyUIhttps://github.com/NVlabs/Sana/tree/sol-engine/models/minimax_h3/Sol-H3-ComfyUI>lodestones / MOSS-Image-SFT-8-steps-dmdhttps://huggingface.co/lodestones/MOSS-Image-SFT-8-steps-dmd/blob/main/lora.safetensors>FLUX.3 Klein RefModshttps://huggingface.co/datasets/malcolmrey/various/blob/main/flux3klein/docs/FLUX3_KLEIN.md>Sakura — FLUX.3 Image Klein text encoder, uncensored (GGUF) https://huggingface.co/webmp3/Sakura-FLUX.3-Image-Klein-TextEncoder-Uncensored-GGUF>SCOPE: Semantic Bounded Credit Optimization for Prompt Engineering in Text-to-image Generationhttps://github.com/MAC-AutoML/SCOPE>Which Tokens to Merge? Diffusion Dynamics for Efficient Image Generationhttps://github.com/SeungJuCha/DaTMe>Beyond Pairwise Repulsion: Collective Diversity via Determinant Maximization in Diffusion Samplinghttps://github.com/mobled37/DetNO>Seeing Both the Forest and the Trees: Reusing Holistic 3D Priors for Part-Decomposed Generationhttps://zhao-yiqun.github.io/structparts>Purify Before You Align: Improving Representation Alignment for Diffusion Modelshttps://yingheng-wang.com/LAP>MYOPIA: Understanding the Limits of Tree-Based Reasoning in Vision-Language Modelshttps://github.com/islammesabah/VLM_Classification>Valtz: Native macOS app for generative creation and composition, powered by Vpipehttps://github.com/tgo-app-dev/valtz>ComfyUI v0.41.0 releasedhttps://github.com/Comfy-Org/ComfyUI/releases/tag/v0.41.010/15/2026>FLUX 3 Image: Maximum control over every pixelhttps://bfl.ai/models/flux-3-image>FLUX.3 Image Klein in Diffusershttps://huggingface.co/blog/flux-3>FLUX 3 Image Klein for ComfyUIhttps://huggingface.co/black-forest-labs/flux-3-image-klein-comfy
>>110085920Holy melti calm down anon
>mfw Research news10/16/2026>Temporal Specification Guidance for T2V Generationhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2610.20822>Sparse Attention for Video Generation Acceleration via Growing Sparsity and Reduced Searchhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2610.21129>UltraDiff: Transferring High-Fidelity Priors to Compressed Latent Spaces for High-Resolution Image Generationhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2610.21202>Intern Lumina U2: A Multi-Codebook Diffusion LLM for Omni-Visual Understanding and Image Generationhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2610.20818>FeaTok: Feature-Loss Tokenization for Image Generationhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2610.22060>ACEdit: Stable Multi-Turn Image Editing via Asymmetric Conditioninghttps://saradorfman1.github.io/ACEdit>RIGen: Beyond Action Following with Reciprocal Interaction in Generative Gameplayhttps://murphylmf.github.io/RIGen>Routing Policy Optimization for Online Diffusion Reinforcement Learninghttps://velox-world.com/rpo>Velox: Spatial Memory Makes World Models Efficienthttps://velox-world.com/velox>Not Just a Subject: Capturing Adaptive Scene-Specific Variance for Visual Storytellinghttps://arxiv.org/abs/2610.22320>ManiFusion: Unlocking the High-Throughput Generation via Superposition in Manifold Spacehttps://arxiv.org/abs/2610.21433>Speculative Forcing for Efficient Autoregressive Video Generationhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2610.22347>EigDiff: Eigensample Diffusion - or how to significantly reduce training dataset size with performance variation?https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.20999>SoftCache: Adaptive Step Size Caching for DiTshttps://malnick.net/softcache>Rethinking Classifier-Free Guidance for TI2I Flow Matchinghttps://arxiv.org/abs/2610.21550>FocusOPD: Structure-Guided On-Policy Distillation for Diffusion Modelshttps://arxiv.org/abs/2610.21250>SUPRA-TEX: 3D Generation with Super-Aligned Texturehttps://supra-3d.github.io/supratex>Reinforcement Learning-driven Diffusion Models: Language, Vision, and Beyondhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2610.21539
why do we always have 5 threads, what is it about this specific group of people that makes you guys fail to coordinate the most basic functions together
>>110085965The catch is that it's small and poorfags can run it which makes the supposed vram"chads" very VERY upset
>>110086004>>110086027honestly i was putting off downloading moss but i might try out moss after all. Would you guys say that its better than kroma at this kind of stuff?
weird how "anon" always seems to ask that same question in the real bake and not the multiple obvious troll bakes
>>110085975>nb4 he starts reposting stuff from this thread to the other thread to make it look like the other thread is activeope look at that, hes doing it again. >>110085960 was reposted >>110086071
>>110086070>Would you guys say that its better than kroma at this kind of stuff?Yes.
>>110086062Disabled schizo hates not being able to control the thread sadly. He has a containment thread but nobody post there and it hurts him. Please be sure to report his news post he has now spammed it in multiple threads
so who are the 'people" that get mad whenever a potentially good small model gets released, API shills or fags that derive their entire self worth from using /ldg/ to brag with thier 5090
>>110086108aight updating comfy then, which variant? sft or base?
>>110086115it's both.
>>110086115>or fags that derive their entire self worth from using /ldg/ to brag with thier 5090mostly fags who hate ldg and do anything they can to take it down (because it is the defacto img/vid gen thread on g), see the three other troll bakes up right now
>>110086115its just contrarian trolls. whenever a model seems good they will simply say its bad. happened with anima and krea2 as well
>>110086115The one faggot boasting about running Krea with his 5090
>>110086065thanks for finally saying that, krea2 is obviously better than zit
>>110086117Oh I'm still on the clock and haven't tested the model yet, sorry.
>>110086144kek do people really brag about a 5090?
>he shits up the board againlolcow
>>110086158With the current state of things I think we can
>>110086158We have literal schizos here
>>110086117sft, base is for training
>>110085936>>110085936>>110085936real bake
Dude is losing his mind again and spamming duplicate threads, why do we have to suffer with this on a daily basis?
>>110086183Fuck off debo here's real bake (better image)>>110086140>>110086140>>110086140
>a few days ago >kind anon points out that the troll only spam bakes when his troll thread is first because mods typically wipe all but the first baked thread >today >troll doesn't get the first bake so he changes strategies and spams exact duplicates of the real thread to trick janny into thinking they're all from the same poster lel i cant believe how much time he puts into trying to destroy this general and he still fails
>>110086054>>110086054>>110086054we're here
do i train a lora on base or sft?
>>110086194
is khoya still alive? still waiting on q2.1
>>110086206you train on base and use on sft. think its basically like z-image and z-image turbo
>still falling for the "base is only for training" noob filter Keeeeeeeeeeeeek
>>110086194He's been at it for 4 going on 5 years now. Debo really really hates his life
why do you guys hvae 16 threads?
>>110086186Watcha training on?
>>110086246Because 4chan is incapable of banning proxies.
>>110086246Disabled NEET schizo on his period again
>>110086246name-, avatar-, discordtrannys are insufferable schizophrenic beings and every general seem to have at least one. This one has 3-4
>>110086250>>110086252Just ignore that poster. He either purposefully or accidentally mistypes a single letter in all his posts and plays both sides.
Permabanning debo would solve 1/3rd of our issues. He's on his period and back to his old antics
as expected you cant just use the same prompt as is, te on this seems to be very literal, but promising results so far
>>110086275>>110086226
>>110086246we have the best schizos on 4chan
>>110086267>anon is tryign to assign schizos by typos nowhilarious
so whats the gameplan here? is he hoping mods delete all the early bakes and then will try to snipe again once old thread hits bump limit?
why does every t2i model except for ideogram think skin is supposed to be glossy?
>>110086158There's one anon who was stupid enough to dox his real face (not the first to do that here) who is black (not catjak/ran who is only partially black) and brags about his 5090 and 2.5d realistic gens all the time. He's insufferable.
>>110086297The one that posts upper body shots?
trying flux3 with this wf https://civitai.red/models/3004913/flux-3-klein-workflows-t2i-and-image-edit?modelVersionId=3409240added a bounding box on my image. result still slightly changes the character.I thought flux3 would fix this. or am I doing something wrong?
ok so the chinkoi.... chinese people just don't give a fuck anymore?hilarious good luck mutts
I always wonder who the real schizos are, and what schizos actually only exist in the minds of those schizos, I'm pretty sure there person(s) in this general that have been fighting imaginary people for years
>>110086292Yes and the fact everyone immediately vacated his thread has made him more upset. Like I said in the previous thread I have never seen someone troll so hard only to end up seething as much as he does. He stayed up all night doing this too which makes it more hilarious or sad based on your perspective.He has proxies to burn so he will spam and flood the board but act smug once his autism is soothed after changing the OP again.
>>110086309yeah, releasing this right after flux3 is hilarious
>>110086320>>110086226
>>110086320>I'm pretty sure there person(s) in this general that have been fighting imaginary people for yearsIt's been proven multiple times that the posters from sdg troll here. They try to pull the "i only post with my images attached" but no one buys it.
name one (1) other general on this site where someone cares so deeply about it that they spam bake troll threads to this same degree when they don't get their way.
>>110086340Sounds like you deserve it.
>>110086359pretty sure splitbaking happened in /edg/ and /hdg/ as well
bored of moss, whens kr3a
>>110086340yeah there's obviously schizos here, and they think they are fighting other schizos and they are fighting them, but the question is who of them exist outside of the mind of the actual schizos
It's out now
>>110086115i have a 5090 and it doesn't enable you to run anything better than the average user, 32GB VRAM isn't even that much and there aren't any open source diffusion models better than the ones that fit anywayyes you have a speed advantage but that's about it
They 100% trained moss-image on CP.
>>110086385where's ani
>only using 8gb with no off-loading while training a lora at 1024pxwhat the fuck?
>>110086401Who?
>>110086401ani doesn't even post here.
>>110086246one of them is just two guys posting exactly the same pictures over and over forever
>>110086400Isn't the whole thing with ai that you show it images of people and then images of non human children / babies and from that it can deduce what human children look like? But also may I see it?
IDK which is real thread so I'll put it here too:So F3K is slopped but it's not meaningfully censoredLike these are perfectly comparable or better full frontal out of the box results relative to other recent modelshttps://files.catbox.moe/q3acqn.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/q6aj7k.pngIDK why people are blatantly lying about this shit
>>110086414>IDK which is real threadYou found it now. Welcome, fren.
>>110086414shill why else would you care so much to copypaste your shit across these shit generals
by default sft seems kinda slopped texture wise but i see the vision, however on my gpu+torch combo its giving me corrupted images every other gens so im gonna wait a couple hours+days until they sort that shit out
uh ohhttps://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1x7g3zq/china_proposes_export_controls_on_23_ai/
>>110086414I find the ChatGPT filter disgusting.
>>110086438More fearmongering.
this is the thread
>>1100864131girl, loli, realistic
>>110086414>IDK why people are blatantly lying about this shitSome in this hobby have gigantic egos and put all their self worth into whichever model is their favorite. It's really sad to see.
>>110086438moss got out just in time
>>110086443it just went into effect.Now they have to get approval before they can open source
>>110086438Well this explains moss's release
>>110086448MOSS?
>>110086391>>110086409>posting this while lurking here to see all the new model discussion lolz how sad truly
>>110086470of course
>>110086471Always knew Quokka anon was a two-faced faggot.
>>110086474based, keep raping ani
>>110086429I mean I've maintained forever that muh censorship has never been a real thing on any model except the ones like Krea and Ideogram where it explicitly and overtly wasEven SD3 was just a fundamentally technically broken model that was bad at ALL content types, whether it involved any living person or character or not, it wasn't "ruined by censorship"So I'm not really shilling anything
>>110086467Wonder if this means they are gonna be far more censored from here on out if they have to get approval
>>110086485>Quokka anonwho?
>>110086359i don't think he understands that when he dances for 10 hours straight because of one post (the bake) he is rightfully called a lolcow (and that this is indeed a thing lolcows do)
>>110086494The fag that pretends they're wholesome posting Quokkas autistically the past few years.
>>110086502never noticed
>>110086489>not a real thing>scouring the dataset of everything PG-13+ and then post training all other "harmful" prompts doesn't impact the model qualityOkay retard. It's not going to make anyone use it lmao. It's already got public consensus. There is no recovery, just like SD3.
>>110086340Make sense since LDG became the place to discuss new models since it's inception, leaving the other general in the dust.
>>110086517He has a Dr. Jekyll thing going on. He posts quokkas in SDG then trolls in here.
>thread is kill>no
Why is this guy from sdg talking about himself in the third person? idgi
>got swept along with the previous threadKEEEEEEEEEKKEEKEEEKEEEENow fuck off
Blessed jannies of context awareness
>>110086542
>>110086525only thing that surprised me was that BFL actually chose to release it, they could've just not.9B Klein was a decent model and now they've just embarrassed themselves for no reason
cozy breas
>>110086532The original guy that used to post it is long gone. Debo pretends to be him because he's lonely. The real one is ultra chatty and would post in both threads. Yes debo is that mentally ill
>>110086544>no jungle bush visible under her skirtfuck off
I am so excited to try Moss later.What should be my first prompt?
MOSS Base is alright sometimes
>>110086569>What should be my first prompt?kino
>>110086570I'm kind of okay with getting SDXL 2.0
>>110086569>What should be my first prompt?Darude Sandstorm
>>110086556Yeah, so, for me - javascript doesn't work at all. I am using UB.Seems like the only idiots who have been able to post in here, have been the sub 90 retards as usual.
Being able to use booru tags for realistic images is moss-image's greatest strength
>>110086606examples?
>>110086613All my gens are nsfl, sorry.
>>110086525lmao you're the one who insists censorship always has to be the cause of issues that are more reasonably explained by other factors. The grass lady example doesn't prove shit, I literally posted two pics showing the stock NSFW knowledge is comparable to other models. I also said that yes it is slopped. And it has other issues like being over-reliant on their particular form of enhanced prompt, etc.
>>110086578SFT is SDXL-slopped. The base model resembles a slightly improved Chroma.1, just needs good seeds
>BFL shills, schizos, and that guy who uses ldg to brag with his 5090 all herewhat a time to be alive
I stopped a long ago that this website was a genuine place.
>>110086638The insane thing is to say post training doesn't harm the end results. But pick your poison BFL employee, are you just fucking incompetent or are you fucking stupid.
>>110086654esl
>he's now posting random shit to push bump limitHe's on a bender someone clean this shit up please. >>110086661No it's him seething because he really thought mods were on his side
seems a bit strange that the old thread was deleted too. i wonder if the baker of that thread was also the same person making the dupe threads?
>>110086684Clearly. He's just gunna evade and proxy hop so he can spam his next troll attempt.
>>110086684Because he is, he's been on a warpath to change OP for almost 2 years now now. He samefags a fuckton too look at the deleted post.
>>110086698Hopefully they just start putting some llms in charge of janny work because I'm sure it sticks out like a sore thumb when you look at the behavior strictly through logged user actions.
lora is done now to find which epoch/straight is good. I think over 3000 steps might be overkill for this model
will flux-video save BFL or are they about to SAI themselves?
>moss knows the cupsoh shit
>>110086745go away
>>110086745stay here
>>110086745Please leave disabo
I'm diffuusiiiiiing
>>110086735Can you post some side by sides lora no lora? I'm a little nervous about its ability to capture trad styles.
>>110086771I need to figure some stuff out but sure once I get this model sorted out.
