You can assume that almost all proprietary information can be reverse engineered or recreated by frontier models, so all the value now goes to those who actually build things, i.e. China. It's over for America.
The only true moat in existence was intelligence, and now that's out of the equation.
>>11008681250 million more jeets should fix things
>>110086812Awesome. Quality is now free.
Total VIBEGod Victory.
>>110086841>t fanboi, cheering from the sidelineswhatever the outcomeyou will always be worthless
>so i just learned it's faster to simply steal my competitors' codethe chinese figured that out ages ago
>>110086841>still simping for jews, hour after hour
>>110086812>1 weeks earlierJeets please
>>110086812Chinese can't build a luthier quality guitar. Or even quality factory guitar like Martin. Or a nice pair of boots. Or a Randall knife. Or maybe even something you're potentially building yourself. You know, things with SOVL and culture and heart. If you think the world moves on without stuff like this, you're truly lost.
>>110086812>oh wow software has been democratized now my homemade app will finally outmatch the big industry!!!>NOOOO how come another 1000 redditors had the exact same idea as me? now I need to pay for ads to let my shovelware can stand out but I burned everything in claude!!!The more thing change, the more they stay the same. Platforms like Adobe will be tiers above their copycats through sheer bruteforce of million-dollar advertisement campaigns and a comprehensive workflow while hindu basement dwellers fight for relevance on which pet project seem less vibeslopped.
>>110086812I like how """AI""" just keeps producing negative net value no matter how it's used. Enjoy the new dark ages.
>>110086833No, useless eater. Quality is now either going to be DRM'd to death or permanently stagnant.
>>110087035>the eternal parasite caste cannot grow fat from it, therefore it is bad
>>110087110You mean, the jews who run Anthropic and OpenAI?
>>110087110You're going to get killed soon and the people responsible would be doing a moral good for a change. That is all. :^)
>>110086841Based>>110086812>noooo quality and competition is bad!Cope more commie trans
>>110087122>t.
>>110087171Name 1 (one) reason why they wouldn't kill you. You literally can't.
>>110087176Yes, parasites eventually kill their host. Such is life.
>>110086812this will just push more companies into subscriptions and cloud hosting because its a lot harder to reverse engineer something when you dont even have an obfuscated binary to play around withthis is the end of desktop software and proprietary hardware gadgets outside shit like industrial control systems as we know itcloud gaming will take off because the big studios know its only a matter of time before anticheats and DRMs get routed by LLMs and therefore the only way to prevent cheaters is to turn their machines into dumb terminalswe will own nothing and its all because of fucking llms
>>110087054Why would that happen? Customers still demand quality, and first mover advantage will become the only edge. The competition to develop new high quality techniques will be stronger and more rewarding than ever. You sound poor.
>>110086812how much did it cost tho
>>110087246Anon you as a consumer are the market. Stop being a sheep and only buy products you actually want. Then it doesn’t matter what companies make, the only way they can make money is by pleasing you! Get some discipline.
>>110087246>you will own nothing>not because we took it away>it's because large language models exist>you can't go outside>not because we're threatening you with physical force if you do>it's because someone out there didn't take the vax>you can't have that food>not because we armed the bandits to steal it from you>it's because we still have comrades who don't believe in the revolution
>>110087260>Why would that happen?Because no one's gonna develop anything just for the joy of watching useless eaters like you using their EBT goytokens to buy the Chinese knockoff that does the same thing.
>>110087241>YesYes. Soon. Hopefully it's gonna be an AI-genned virus that makes you choke on your own blood or something similar.
>>110087363>>110087370>so butthurt he's genning insults at 3.6t/s
>>110087246Sorry bro, I will just not pay for the subscription. I just won't. Whatever garbage in the cloud is not worth money. If I don't own it, it's not worth money. That's just how it goes. I will not pay for the cloud slop.
>>110087423Yes, that's why SaaS is thriving and Desktop dev is pretty much dead. You laughed at Google Stadia but they were ahead of their time.
>>110086833then there's no profit so no factories
>>110086999This. People have literal shit for brains.I can get behind vibesloppers who just want free shit but the ones who unironically think they can sell their products might be the dumbest cattle on the internet.
>>110086962Can you?
>>110087394Anon is right, wait for the demoralization to hit.AI doesn't need to become any better or crash to do serious damage.Give it half a year and there will not be one single interesting software you will giving a flying shit about, I promise.Technology as fun will be over very soon.
>>110086812
>>110087574Not those specifically. That's why I value the craft and services of those who can. If I have an option to avoid sweatshop slop, I will.
>>110087246Ding ding ding!We have a winner.
>>110087246why would i pay for a subscription when an open source vibecoded alternative exists?ai will cause communism. ultimately, capitalism as a system is necessary because of limited labour supply, and if labour is worthless, there's no political justification for private ownership.copyright laws were introduced because intellectual labour was in extremely short supply.
>>110087895labour isn't worthless though. some of it will be. not all.
>>110087922This is why troons are so upset over AI, it so neatly wipes out the industries they invaded like Hollywood and programming
>>110087922a thing doesn't need to be infinite to be worthless. supply vs demand isn't a simple coefficient - at certain level of oversupply, hoarding and guarding the resource becomes detrimental to total value.if ai can provide infinite intellectual labour, it doesn't make sense to guard intellectual labour - you either go opensource and farm aura from the fact you did something(like linus farms aura from linux, despite linux being free), or you just don't bother with value calculations and do the thing for your own enjoyment.
oh my god who caresit's all just 1s and 0s
>>110088168>it's all just 1s and 0sso is your net worth. of wait, no, your net worth is just 0s
>>110087594>Technology as fun will be over very soon.I'm having more fun with software than ever, any issue I have with some half baked program that is missing one or two critical features I jwant I now have claude add the feature or just have claude rewrite the entire thing from scratch the way I want. I no longer have gate keepers blocking me from what I want. I haven't crossed over to hardware yet but I have a few candidates for firmware decompilation and modifying how the thing operates.
>>110087054permanently stagnant diarrhea dribbled over two decades of permanently stagnant hardened turds>>110087260you sound 14>>110087363yep>>110087394yep>>110088861when can I buy some of that awesome stuff you are larping on about?
>>110086812So if I put algorithms in the chip, how can you use AI to figure it out.
>>110086812cant emulate tubes, cant emulate building with tubes. stop making slop and you have your moat back
>>110086962Chinese guitars are good enough. Why would I spend $3,000 for 100% quality when I can spend $300 for 85%?
>>110089595If you're buying a guitar you're probably sinking thousands of hours on it. Spending 3k to not fight the instrument seems like an excellent dealFor things where quality doesn't truly matter, sure, but a guitar is a terrible example.
>>110086962Most of the components of that, or the entire product, is already being made somewhere in Shenzhen. You retards are just stupid enough to be grifted by companies pretending otherwise to you.
>>110089835While partially true chinks just refuse to have sane manufacturing practices. If you have them manufacture a mid-to-high range product and underspecify the tiniest thing they WILL use the absolute cheapest garbage you can find in all of China to save two cents per finished product, which can ruin the actual product in practice.It happens all the time and I just don't understand why they do it.
>>110087281Now you see
>>110086962Are you stuck in 2010 or something? Anything and everything is made in china and probably of or better quality than whatever you can make elsewhere, simply because you niggers cheaped out a decade ago and now they have all the designs, processes and factories. I'd recommend you check out how many industries the chinese are now leaders in.
>>110086812>It's over for Americalol ok champtime for bed
>>110089595>>110089835>>110089912They're not better guitars. Because they don't really play them. I'd sooner buy a guitar from Mexico, because they are a guitar culture. Chinese guitars are for atheists and gingers who don't have souls.That goes for all kinds of crafts.
I could talk to this person (if OP wants to share where it was posted), their concerns make perfect sense to me. I was looking at committing to doing something similar to this person last year (I have years of pro audio experience, know the relevant DSP software and hardware etc., and was looking at building he company in Asia to be close to industrial suppliers in Shanghai).I pulled the plug on the idea for a few reasons, but the biggest ones being that the market is saturated and the moats were already shrinking before AI. A LOT of great sounding audio effects are just transfer functions running on an incoming stream, and even advanced algorithms like reverb are actually...kinda simple. The 'sauce' is not technological, it's basically tweaking the coefficients and having good taste that can help you identify what sound will be broadly popular.In the pre-digital days, it was kinda the same. There is an 'American' mixer sound, a 'British' mixer sound, a 'Japanese' one and so on - the sound being a combination of where the EQ turnovers are situated, and some variation in how the mixer distorts when overdriven. The national defaults are to some extent a reflection of linguistic preferences, with different countries emphasizing different frequency ranges in spoken language. Then the popularity of different countries and brands is a reflection of shifting musical taste, eg I could point to former-East Germany techno artists who like Mackie gear because they liked the sound of Detroit techno and because Mackie gear was relatively cheap due to low prestige etc. etc.Anyway my point is that it's 50% algorithmic technology and 50% taste, with more and more shifting toward taste over time because processing cycles have been less and less important as technology advanced. Back in the 1970s you could only do a very limited number of operations per sample so algorithmic genius counted for far more.
>Information communismLife is good until the copyright kikes crack down.
>>110089961I used to have guitars and tried to git gud until carpet tunnel started to show signs. Getting the thing in your hands and trying out of it feels good to play is mega important.
>>110086833It’s the opposite. What you have now is the best you’re ever going to get. No one is going to make anything novel ever again.
>>110089825I have three accoustic guiots and a violin I bought over the years from charity shops. I have no idea what make they are, one has nylon stings, two have metal strings, I replaced the windey nut thing on one by unscrewinging it and bringing it to a music store and asking for a replacement. I play for about 5 hoursa wekk and have done for 30 years. I can't read music, don't want to learn how to have no idea what music notes are and on the last rare occasion I was accidentally heard playing by someone and they came in the room I was told I was playing some classical piece by a spanish dude called rodrego and asked if I was a professional musician and bothered me so much about getting it recorded I cut them out of my life. I just make up my own music and replay it and replay it and alter it until it is perfect and add new bits when something happens like a pet dying or a loved one or something amazing happens and have done for decades. I don't want anyone to hear me play, it's for me and me alone. I have no fucking idea what you are shitting on about . I'm a musician types are always utter cunts. Just fucking play the thing and if you can't make good noises then that means you are not very good at it and it's not the twangy boxes fault. It's all fucking basic math as far as I can see. You're a pretentious twat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSV4OteqBE
>>110090006like they did for the last 10+ years? Automation just exposed how fucking bankrupt meatbags have become while chasing the dollar
>>110090037You could be 100% correct but it’s still not an argument for killing a potential future where people actually try again.
>>110090016>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSV4OteqBEI'd sooner buy an Indonesian guitar than Chinese too.
>>110090056 I don't fucking care. Of the three I have I have no fucking idea where they were made. I like one more than the other two (a bit). Stop being such a pretentious dumb cunt. I don;t even know how to tune the fucking things I just wind the windey thing until it sounds right if it does not sound right.
>>110089974cont....There will always be room for good taste, and it's unsavory cousin, marketing. But if I was in hardware right now, I would be planning to leave my processors etc open and concentrate on hardware quality. The money from now on (assuming you don't already have a world class brand) will be in good hardware engineering that lasts and feels great. Balanced XLR as well as TRS, external metal washers on your jacks, encoders with heavy resistance or more beautiful LED collars or pre-filtering your LEDs so they oscillate beautifully rather than flickering, high quality finishes that don't chemically degrade (Hi Waldorf), colorways that that are beautifully balanced and so on. IT's up to you what you put inside; it doesn't make much different whether its' a $150 Raspberry Pi (the InMusic approach) or a $1.50 JieAi (M-VAVE), people are going to hack it and then look for ways to firmwaremaxx. If you try to lock your shit down you are asserting that there is something superior, timeless, and inimitable about your audio algorithms, and the grim realities descrbed in OP are a) there probably isn't and b) people will jailbreak your shit, make it run Doom, and then do what they want with it.So put as much juice inside as you can, leave it unlocked or even tell people where the endpoints are, don't lie to them about what your gear can do (Elektron is learning this lesson the hard way now after deceiving its customers for years). Pour you work into the user interface, both the digital one (which people will revere and adapt if it's really good) and the physical one, which is where you get people emotionally because a well-made machine is enjoyable to physically touch and play. If it physically feels good, people will pay. If it looks good as well, they'll pay bank.You can't be the next Moog, Oberheim, Smith, etc. but you can capitalize on the fact that most pro audio gear is not beautiful. If you want to make money, your role model should be Luigi Colani.
>>110090071>for good taste, and it's unsavory cousin, marketing.kys
>>110087246Is the narrative about decompiling being pushed to panic software companies into adopting this mega-SaaS model? Then Adobe will have to pay to rent the obsolete GPUs big techs have been taking on debt to hoard.
>>110090070dude, you posted Spinal Tap. Indonesia has SOVL, obviously.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zABnkDJ2yHw
>>110090090sry got ya now
>>110089835While it's true that most components for everything are manufactured in China, Chinese vs western company quality standards do tend to differ greatly. That's where the difference comes in that I've noticed. Hardware that would be bottom binned by western countries gets sent out as normal by Chinese.
>>110086815Exactly this. AI makes human intelligence completely irrelevant. It's already causing certified geniuses in fields like math and science mental breakdowns because AI invents solutions they could never fathom in a million years. It will very quickly meet and surpass everyone who ever lived, combined. On a bright note, that means leftists were right and communism will win.
>>110090136Outside of soulfulnes, Chinese are about cranking out shit at mach speed and in huge volume. For a guitar, wood needs a lot of seasoning. The top makers keep stockpiles they've been aging for years. That's definitely not part of the Chinese model.That matters for any kind of acoustic instrument. With electrics, not so much. But even then, Chinese cut corners on some drying processes that matter. Roasted necks are a popular option in the electric world, but it's best done on seasoned woods too. Chinese make roasted necks with whatever they get their hands on.
>>110090177>because AI invents solutions they could never fathom in a million yearsThat’s not really true. It finds solutions where few new insights are actually provided, so it effectively solves something while sucking all the fun out of it. It automates all the things that are fun and intellectually stimulating.
>>110086812No one is going to hire chinese coders anymore. They will hire US coders. you retard.
>>110090197no one is going to hire anyone anymore. programmers will mindlessly play the role of janitor for LLMs and their purpose will be to be accountable for code they’re not even reading
>>110090177You're just owning yourself if you embrace communism. It's for the Borg. You're saying that you don't believe that you as an individual have any dignity or value on your own. It's kind of funny that both AI boosters and commies alike hate themselves in the same way and don't want their own agency or creativity, nor acknowledge it in others.
>>110090197Yeah China will buy out all the US coders, cause living in tech hotspots in US is becoming unaffordable
>>110090213those places are unaffordable because wages are high. if wages depress, the cost of living will do the same
>>110087594Extreme copium. I will have fun watching everything that was once science fiction and more become reality in my lifetime because I'm not a miserable luddite
>>110090315Your vision of future was the lamest sci-fi shit, where it was just replacement of humans. Terminator shit. Cherry 2000, where the gooner chose robot pussy over the real one. Cool sci-fi showed human augmentation. Cyberpunk. Why get the robots to do things for you when you can get robot arms yourself. And no one watch Mecha where it was just dumb bots fighting each other. People want the pilots and some incel like Shinji in the cockpit.
>>110090245Lolno, boomers have all their wealth tied up in realestate, shit's never coming down.
>>110090315scifi in your head:>ending world hunger, flying cars, cured cancer, space travelscifi in reality:>your job has been automated away and you are part of a permanent underclass>you have no purpose in life>the elite are making new cancers and selling you the cure>all the things you used to enjoy don’t matter anymore>the rivers are filled with poison and the planet is dying>the majority are unthinking cattle give you the fluoride stare and don’t understand what your problem is and why you are unhappy
>>110090387i'll add that the cool sci-future (the human augmentation one) resembles the jailbreaking we just got on the ps5, where we make these corps eat the shit that they were trying to feed us. that's the sci-fi future that leads to cyberpunk and you buying modified arms on the black market and crushing some dude's head because he looked at you wrong. then hacking the cameras to make it look like someone other guy you don't like.
>>110090366Real estate value can be devalued pretty quickly with this one weird trick discovered by human rights proponents.
>>110087035>Negative net valueIt’s called deflation actually.
>>110090415Nah, get ready to live out your days im an RV
>>110087246Or… you could buy a real device and not bother with that cloud shit, lol.
>>110089847>It happens all the time and I just don't understand why they do it.Because 99% of the time it makes no difference and customers don't notice if they couldn't be assed to specify it.I buy from chinese suppliers all the time, for multiple companies, and mostly the problem is engineers not thinking about what they actually need.Today the problem is less scamming and more hunting the best margin to the customers specification. And it works, which is why they now make everything.
>>110090440They'll just clone your shit and enter the same market and undercut you. It's happening to entire countries now. I don't mean just America. Like time honored German tool companies are struggling now, because they made a deal with the devil. "They'll just manufacture our stuff and we'll save money.."
>>110090387also>totalitarian surveillance state that defies the imagination of dystopian novel writers
>>110090454>They'll just clone your shit and enter the same market and undercut you.Yeah obviously. The question was how much of your brand guitar or boots are made already in china, not if thats a good thing.But the reason why they made that deal is because the customer already favored the cheap shit at the bottom of the product line and it ate its way up to the high value because at no stage did the consumer start giving a shit.Here we are. And OP is right to be worried, because the IP locks was the only thing anyone outside china still had, now they have all the manufacturing and can easily replicate all the know-how too.
>>110090459i haven't been on /g/ in a like year until recently. wtf happened to this place? why so many shills for soulless dystopias? /g/ was a hobbyist board and more about tech customization and individualism than anything.
>>110086812it's a palantir psyop for cloud only computers
>>110090006This is simply not true. My little brother is developing a new product that simply wasn't possible before, and he didn't have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for the software side, and the hardware side of the software like motor drivers was something he had no experience in.There will be better stuff, but its going to take someone with some drive and some capital. If you clock in to some excel job everyday you are absolutely fucked in this new world. If you can take some risks and are creative, you may just have a path forward. Slop will be mildly rewarded. Probably will see artisan markets as well start to strengthen. The bourguoise will want hand crafted kitsugi earthenware made from a pod woman instead of some makenzi childs neppo babby who produces high dollar "art". People with money will want these high quality handmade products made from peasants.
>>110090471The world is changing /g/ is a reflection of that
>>110090471bots probably. maybe it's just sharty teens but the volume and consistency doesn't seem organic>Innovative tactics are warranted>Given the limitations of traditional tools, more out-of-the-box tactics should be considered. One such tactic would aim at gradually making these boards less interesting for their users.>One way to achieve this would be to regularly post content that looks genuine (using the right language, imagery, etc.) yet is meaningless – this would dilute the message of these boards and make their threads uninteresting, thereby reducing their attractiveness and sense of community.>Recent developments in artificial intelligence enabling researchers to automatically generate credible extremist sentences make such a tactic cheap and easy to implement.
>>110090490His shit will be stolen and he will be punished for ever bothering to try.
>>110087260>Customers still demand qualityHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>110090471>wtf happened to this place? why so many shills for soulless dystopias?claude astroturfing, just like every other forum on the internet with a submit button
>>110090507>/g/>extremist
>>110090523Most real people dont post anymore because of this.You have to first filter out literally half of all the threads and even what remains is filled with shill bots
>>110090471hiro is losing money on 4chan, his attempts to monetize the site failed. now he wants to lower daily number of posters, 4chan now has excessive range blocking and fingerprinting for new users so in order to post you have to verify your email or buy the pass. this filters out many potential new posters, only schizos, shills and oldfags don't mind verifying their email or buying the passthere also rumors that you can now just pay and they let you use bots to shill anything legal on any board for a period of time.
>>110090510I already told him his shit will be stolen. The retard was trying to launch a finished product on amazon with all the bells and whistles. He has been trying to "perfect" the product. Convinced him that he just needs really good marketing and to launch on a crowdfunding platform and milk as much money as possible before its copied by the chinese. The retard was trying to launch some time late next year and hes at 90% and just trying to polish more and more. I wouldn't be surprised if he spends the next 3 months building out a crowdfunding campaign, launches, and halfway through the campaign some chinese company just spits out some AI slop and canibalizes the rest of his campaign. Bleak
>>110090471this retard has been living under a rock lmaonobody's shilling anything, they're already pushing mass surveillance with digital IDs, AI cameras watching and building sophisticated profiles on you, autonomous drones doing the same thing, and stealth speech recognition on fucking TVs like the telescreens in 1984none of this is theoretical, it's already being normalized
>>110090578And yet here you are doing jack shit about it.
>>110090586>And yetI wasn't the denying it moron, and I'm not going to sacrifice my life for fucking idiots like you.
>>110090597Everyone thinks exactly like you which is why we are all going to be enslaved and/or gradually killed off.
>>110090578>this retard has been living under a rock lmaonah, on a rock and touching grass. you might want to try it sometime. people are still going about their daily lives, enjoying the simple things. don't go full doomer. you hate the bots, but all you do is listen to bots.
>>110090609But hey at least the vibeGODS won before dying right
no idea why people here are freaking out when it's what they've advocated for in these last 4 years. you get what you fucking deserve.
>>110087246Or you could use open source software that actually works.
>>110090811>last 4 yearsSince people embraced steam over physical vidya or services like gog and accepted drm e-books, I knew they desire slavery and there is nothing that can keep them from it.
>>110090556>only schizos, shills and oldfags don't mind verifying their email or buying the passwhich one are you?
>>110087273Sure, buddy. I'll do that and if they doesn't work I'll organize and get everyone else to join me because everyone will care about the same problems and then we will usher in a communist utopia.
