Linux users are 2% of computer users, but they shit up every computer related thread like a bunch of cockroaches.And at least the OG freetards had principles. Now you have these faggots who happily promote DRM like Steam, just because it runs on Linux.Distrohopping is not technology. Desktop Linux will never be relevant. Stay in your containment thread.
>>110113486Steam is cool. Stop being poor. Or get hobbies for poor people. Go play with some rocks.
>>110113486Linux evangelism is something that dies down with age. When I was a teenager I wanted to convert everyone. Now I'm around 30 and simply don't care what other people use. I'd even go so far as to say we need to gatekeep MORE.
>>110113486Steam is just a proprietary storefront, it's not DRM. You can copy your games and play them offline, etc.Stallman still wouldn't think favourably because it's a storefront for proprietary games but even he had a level of pragmatism about him and has said if people are going to play these proprietary computer games then it's better that they do so from a free and open system like GNU/Linux rather than Microsoft Windows.
Then if you switch they'll still pester you because you didn't pick the right distro or if you use systemd or if you use wayland instead of x11 etc, etc.
>>110113613>it's not DRMCan I install games without Steam installed and being online and logged in? No, so it's DRM.
>>110113630Yes, you can as long as you download them once with Steam and back them up elsewhere then you can copy them about and install them however you want.Really though, the Steam client is a lot more convenient than make your own scripts to invoke Wine/Proton, etc. Most people just want to click the Play button and make game happen.
>>110113613>Steam is just a proprietary storefront, it's not DRMlol.
>>110113662Yes, I think some people don't know what DRM actually is.DRM is cryptography, it means you can't backup the games you downloaded via Steam and play them without Steam.Exact, Steam doesn't encrypt any of its files. Its not DRM, that's why publishers use Denuvo, etc.You can absolutely download your Steam games and copy them to a hard drive and then play them without Steam. Some games may use the Steam API, etc, to prevent that but you can shim that out with a thin DLL or .so file, etc, it's not a cryptographic protection.
>>110113687>Some games may use the Steam API, etc, to prevent that So it is DRM.
>>110113708No, that's not what DRM is. It's trivial to bypass that check because the Steam API is there for achievements or multiplayer, etc, it's not a cryptographic protection or spyware like Denuvo, etc.
>>110113687>DRM is cryptographyThis is a dishonest statement. Cryptography is used as a single technique to enforce DRM, but saying DRM _is_ cryptography, implies that without cryptography something isn't DRM. That is wrong.
>>110113735Yes, it's a bit more nuanced. You could do DRM without cryptographic protections like with license codes, etc.In the case of the Steam API though you can just replace the .dll or .so file with an offline implementation like:https://github.com/inflation/goldberg_emulatorThe Steam API doesn't enforce licensing / rights management, it's just there for additional online functionality.
>>110113687No DRM = GameInstaller.exe that runs independently of any other software, accounts etc.GoG games are DRM-free. Steam games are not.
>>110113761It depends on the Steam game. Some of them don't have DRM. The publisher makes that decision.Steam is just a store front for proprietary and non-proprietary software (Krita is on Steam, for example). They don't make those decisions.
The so-called Linux users were never here to do things The Unix Way™
>>110113771>Some of them don't have DRM.Incorrect. All Steam games require Steam software and online Steam account for (first) installation.The fact that you might later be able to circumvent this restriction in some cases doesn't matter. It's still DRM.
>>110113785I can assure you that Krita isn't distributed on Steam with DRM.Being forced to download games via a Steam Client doesn't make it DRM. Once you have the files you can do with them as you please.
>>110113797>Being forced to download games via a Steam Client doesn't make it DRM.It absolutely does mean that. Educate yourself.
>>110113809No, that's not what that means. There is nothing stopping you from using alternative clients like steamcmd or reverse engineering their client and building your own, etc.
>lust provoking image>time wasting shitpost
>>110113486>Desktop Linux will never be relevant>Now you have these faggots who happily promote DRM like Steam, just because it runs on LinuxThe problem you are describing in this post exists because normalfags can install Linux and import their entire normalfag software stack into it comfortably. It's relevant now.
Steam is a dogshit trojan horse that was forced onto everyone to play hl2 (a single player game). Why the fuck do I need a bloated chromium browser to play video games?
>>110115507True, it was only good for CS:S and HL2If you're on linux it can be handy though to check out demos and f2p shit without going through the hassle of setting up a stand alone launcher
>>110113649No, you can't. They're bound to your Steam install.
>>110115828Depends on the publisher. Steam has DRM and sometimes publishers use their own DRM but there are also DRM free games and software published via Steam.It's inaccurate to broadly say it is DRM.
>>110115507>>110115541Just about everyone and everything is there. That isn't going to change anytime soon. If you want to play games with the 50 players on some other service, go ahead.On top of that, they just created the first viable off ramp from Windows gaming. At least they care about gamers and giving them options. Microsoft just cares about ads and the cloud and AI.
The worst thing about nu-linuxfags is that they larp as commies but dedicate their lives to promoting valve's corporate slop despite their own cries about corporations and ownership they literally worship this fat faggot and have made a mental image of him where he's their savior without realizing he's also what they hateand they have plenty to say about sony not selling physical games without realizing steam already cucked them into paying for digital licenses years ago
>>110116063You can't compare the Sony situation to Steam. All your physical PlayStation media will be a paperweight but any PC games you have you can still rip and play to this day.It would be nice if you could still buy physical PC games on Bluray, especially with how large they are and how expensive storage is these days, but that's not Valve's fault.
>>110116108>PC games you have you can still rip and play to this daywhen steam drops support for an older OS you can't play the games you paid for on the OS where you bought themand if steam dies or takes away your game licenses you're not using the drm you paid for, your only option is pirating so why would you even waste money on a license to end up pirating anyway
>>110116063Valve is a private company. That already makes them leagues better than most game companies. He may be a fat faggot, but he's a fat faggot who doesn't need to answer to anyone. Shareholders are the number one reason games go to shit. "Line must always go up.". Every quarter, if line doesn't go up, then you are considered a failure. This leads to companies extracting as much wealth as possible from every nook and cranny, cutting costs as much as possible, and ultimately, selling out bigly.
>>110113581this, the average age here is pretty low, we just have a lot of excited new users
>>110116137Windows compatibility mode still exists or failing that Wine/Proton on Linux will likely work flawlessly.On PlayStation you have no backwards compatibility at all and when they take away the disk drive entirely then it will never return and there will be no way to play all of your media collection.There is no universe in which Valve/Steam is in any way comparable.
>>110113486>Linux users are 2% of computer users, but they shit up every computer related thread like a bunch of cockroaches.We need those people. I just saw normies spreading the word of Linux. Even Epic Games will bring their shit to Linux.
>>110113581>don't care what other people use>immediately shows how much he caresI care and think it's neat that even retards have options for using computers these days. Growing up is realizing it takes civilizational scale resources to retard proof something that complex so linux will never be an option for them.
>>110113486linux users are significant% of >>>/g/ users
>>110113486its GNU+Linux
>>110116063i use free software almost exclusively but i am pro free market and anti commiethere are some situations where foss is just practical regardless of ideological motives eg operating systems, general purpose tooling, self hosted servicesin some other situations its not eg videogames
