> banning chats for you unless your verify yourself> banning legal porn in UK.> banning VPS unless your verify yourself> banning social media for you unless your verify yourself> age verification to everyone> only six platforms who actually rule in internet.> IRC,FORUMs almost all gone.> ... and all other shitThe old internet from the 2000s will never return???
>unless your verify yourselfEU verification according to KIDS Act requires zero-knowledge proof. Criminals can use it to their heart's content.
>>110258429reveal yourself, pedo.
>>110258429not my problem
>>110258750>he says, on 4chan
>>110258429Banning VPSs? When?>>110258433Not so in the US or UK, sadly.
>no one ever got banned from forums on the "old internet"lol, lmao
>>110259083You could sign up for them without being doxxed, at least.
>>110258429>The old internet from the 2000s will never return???Nope, that boat sailed a long time ago. However the internet is just networking you can always create your own protocol on top of it. it's just that the networking effects are to strong for people to consider alternatives.
>>110258433>EU verification according to KIDS Act requires zero-knowledge proof.That's bullshit and you know it.
>>110259580>sign up for them without being doxxedforums would literally show your IP address next to your name in every post
>>110259664>forums would literally show your IP address next to your name in every post>wouldKeyword would, and we know why we don't do that anymore.
>>110259677>Keyword wouldYes? "Would" as in the context of the post that I wes replying to?
>>110259660What's bullshit? The implementation reference is open-source and ZKP is written into the bill.
>>110259834Well, this is an English-speaking forum, and the UK and US state laws have no such ZKP system or privacy requirements.
>>110258433I tried to find a single YouTube video (with no official affiliations to the act) that corrected the brainrot that this act has spawned.I couldn't find a single one. They're all human-centipeding the lies StopKillingGames has told.
>>110260953There are laws without that ZKP system being implemented anyways in many US states and the UK, so that's irrelevant. This has to be fought.To say nothing of the EU building the compliance infrastructure that will be forced on those of us without ZKP systems.And assuming that system isn't backdoored or hackable (the prototype EU version got hacked already), and made to leak IDs like the IDScan leak, or used to enforce limits on account numbers, or draconian speech laws (eg Germany making it illegal to insult politicians).
>>110259834>What's bullshit? The implementation reference is open-source and ZKP is written into the bill.The app you need a google android phone you are undermining so called "zero knowledge".
>>110261481Can the APK be installed on a degoogled android, or does it have Play Integrity?
>>110259834The first analysis of it showed that there are still many ways to deanonymize you with the app.
>>110258429duh. so what are ya gonna do? time to become a Better Man and learn how to exist without muh social warez. nows your change to actually change your life, they're making it easy for you
>>110262970Such as?
>>110258429>people too addicted to internet to leave>internet companies force them to leave instead>society massively improves as a result
>>110258429
>>110258750Reveal the government pedos first, shill.>>110258429Honestly, the modern authoritarian left is the worst group of fascists the world has ever seen.
>>110258429Irc is still there I'm pretty sure.
>>110260878AI malfunction. He's not arguing that it applies here. He's arguing EU has ZKP for age verifications under its jurisdiction. And before you go>4chan is social mediaPlease, just shut the fuck up. You know he means Facebook, Twitter, you know, sites with a actual userbase and billion dollar market cap.
>>110265902Well, he's using it to argue for age verification in an English-speaking context. Also not an AI.Also these laws tend to sometimes define social media as any site that allows posting user-generated content, sometimes ones that allow opening an account ("verify your e-mail" or "4chan passes"?), and sometimes only ones with algorithmic feeds (so not here).Also they sometimes demand filtering out all NSFW content (so every red board). Yeah.t. >>110260878 (me)
>>110263205All it does is force people like us to leave, not Instagram/TikTok goyim.>>110265783>leftGod, I wish it were just the left. It's not just the left pushing this. State GOPs, the Tories, the EU EPP?
>>110266001Yes.I think they were always like this, they just get much better tools due to modern technology.It was just impossible to take away freedom like this in the past.Businesses already go for maximum control since you can make money with it.So the government can also just use the business to control people.
>>110258429the new routers and ISP MODEMS will be equipped with fingerprint scanners/readers and cameras that will demand and require you to upload your biometrics in order to use and get onto the internet
>>110258429>The old internet from the 2000s will never return???No one does anything, so no.Is anyone here even on IRC or on any forums? Because I'm not. So besides the problem of no one willing to put in the work, there's the problem of no one willing get away from the "new internet" too.
>>110266861The reality is the internet has just become cookie-clicker for people seeking to get their dopamine hit from perceived social validation. Number go up, ratios, etc. It's the only motivation that matters to most people for literally anything.
>Permanently banned from reddit for saying "nigga">old.reddit.com is blocked>All websites blocked behind you signing up>YouTube artists getting demonitized>UK government making face sitting and other normie fetishes illegal>US states force you to give up your ID to look at NSFW>Websites shadowbanning people using VPNs>Microsoft tracking everything you do on Windows>Even "It just works!" sites like catbox.moe are becoming unreliable >Elon shadowbans me on Twitter>Low effort AI slop destroying gaming and websites>AI art infesting boorus and art websites>Need to use Ublock Origin and 10 other extensions just to make the internet usableI have enshittification fatigue.
>>110266861I think the perception of "old internet" being gone may also not exactly be true.4chan isn't dead (afaik, not a veteran here), IRC also isn't, niches like BSDs and Plan 9 are bigger than ever.The problem is that everything else got way bigger, and that it seems the number of people willing to produce anything, or just discard mainstream shit for self-sufficient stuff, stayed roughly the same.
Tech is falling apart and is increasingly making most products less appealing. From cars to computers to smart phones.From corporate greed, spying, and encouraging authoritarian government, to importing Indians from a dishonest scam culture to manage it all. To trying to sell every product as a service generating ongoing revenue instead of as a finished quality product with a one time purchase.As someone that has enjoyed electronics forever and been skilled in their use and underlying technology I really find myself struggling to like them anymore.It was only a good space until the smart phone and global internet adoption around 2012 and has been slowly downhill since.
>>110267061>makingmade, past tense, like 15 years ago already
>>110267073Well some products were slower to modernize into garbage and workarounds or easy modifications kept them enjoyable beyond when the industry tried to ruin them.
>>110258429None of this is a problem for someone not doing sketcy, questionable shit.
>>110266952>reddit>twitter>windows>mainstream porn sites>sites requiring signing upJust stop using them.Network effect. The more you use them, the more powerful they become, the more subjugated by them you are.These people hate you. Give up trying to make peace with the abuser.>AISlop always existed, but I agree now it's too much to be ignored.Unfortunately the tendency of humanity is to slopify everything. Just compare the animation from the 80s to the computer-aided stuff from nowadays. Slop is the standard unless it's not possible to be.So the only change is that it gets harder to find the good stuff in the ever bigger pile of crap. But there are ways to do that.>YouTubeUnironically regulation. Will never happen but it's the only hope beyond some peer-to-peer solution that actually works, unlike peertube.
>>110258429None of the crap in that picture is the Internet and the actual Internet is thriving, you just never left this failed website because you don't actually have any intrinsic interests.
>>110258429this is how it is going to play out:>give all your data willingly>a "rogue ai" hacks the datacenters that hold your data>everyone's data is made public>having no privacy becomes the standard as any company or anyone can look up your jobs, the porn you like, the games you played, the shit you bought, the whores you paid for>people simply give up privacy
>>110267182The worry is that it'll be regulated out of existence. Part of the motivation for cramming this in law is that some of them want it for antibot and don't want their users to be able to leave to alternatives that don't do that (like the fediverse).>>110269317Yeah, that's a big worry. Maybe even unintentional, considering a bunch of the people involved here are just kinda retarded and being driven by a moral panic.
>>110258429> banning chats for you unless your verify yourselfThis is a good thing—protecting children.> banning legal porn in UK.Don't like it? Move.> banning VPS unless your verify yourself> banning social media for you unless your verify yourselfVerification is a good thing—catching criminals.> age verification to everyoneThis is a good thing—protecting children.> only six platforms who actually rule in internet.Fragmentation is bad for usability—hopefully they merge and we get just one site soon.> IRC,FORUMs almost all gone.Good riddance—criminal havens.> ... and all other shitThere is no other shit: the Internet is for commerce—always has been and always will be.
>>110258433I don't really understand why they need these verification checks. They already have the tools to track down even the people that practice fair OPSEC. Our data footprint is already being indexed, compiled and shipped between vendors. Not to forget, they can rape 90% of the VPN vendors at their leisure. I genuiely don't get this extra overhead?
>>110270023Systematizing it for every user and making it subpoenable, instead of expending effort per user and relying on parallel reconstruction. And preventing ban evasion to enable harsh censorship.That, and ensuring kids grow up in trapped environments, never allowed outside OR online, so as to enjoy their misery as Boomers and Gen X seem to.
>>110270023>I don't really understand why they need these verification checks.They're much more privacy-complicit than what we have right now. Hence why EU KIDS Act needs to pass if you care about privacy.
>>110270591The EU is one of the reasons they do it for some content with the DSA. Perhaps a way to roll out ZKP would have been to amend that first? Apparently not.
>>110269997>em-dashesYQdkQwsky fQr MQrtiQl LQw Administrator-General NQW!
>>110258429The internet died long ago. The thing referred to as the internet today is not the internet.
>>110258429>old internet gone>posts photo of new internet after 2004 with logos crossed out for some reason>this is the old internet
>>110259653The internet is not just the network. It was what was connected to that network that made the internet. The endless inexhaustible plane of infinite discovery. That is gone. The network remains, but its an empty void of nothing.
>>110270023Currently the process of tracking a person down takes time and money. With a full ID-verified Internet it'll be as simple as: see criticism of the state -> immediately know who posted it -> immediately begin lawfare process against him + easily find everything else he ever posted and have an LLM trawl through it for anything vaguely chargeable.
>>110258429I am not OP.>>110258750Children should be not allowed on the internet! >b-b-b-b-If hey are detected then CPS should take them away from their parents this will solve all problems forever!
>>110259580>You could sign up for them without being doxxed, at least.Basically this. You make a e-mail for free where you say your name is Dick Gayllord and you where born in 1971 and name the e-mail anime-fanXXX and the account on the forum is a name of a anime character.
>>110261394>draconian speech laws (eg Germany making it illegal to insult politicians).!!!! Is this literally Nazi Germany now?>HALT!>You can not insult ZE glorious chancellor!
>>110272044unironically castrate yourself, obvious NWO gaslighting bot
>>110272044fucking glowie degen. I've seen enough of you to recognize a pattern.
>>110272044PLEASE, NOBODY LISTEN TO THIS OBVIOUS GLOWIE/NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDIST
>>110272083Not even just the chancellor. Cabinet officials, even local councillors.
>>110259664not runescape forums
>>110272106>even local councillors.YIKES.>Not even just the chancellorThe point is that Adolf Hitler has literally the title of chancellor so does Merkel.Like how is this even real? Whats next you expected to worship politicians as gods?>Oh no you can not insult the incompetent buffoon who made these policies.WTF?
>>110272222I don't know, ask them. They apparently used a panic over threats made in 2019 to expand a 1969 law.
>>110273602It should be the law that if 101 people vote to skin a politician alive in his region he will get skinned alive. To place a fear of god into them.
>>110273616Emergency gigachad!
>>110258802> Get Captcha> Please wait a while before making a post or verify your email here.> wait> You can now request a captcha.> Get Captcha> solve captcha> Post> Posting from your IP range has been temporarily blocked due to abuse [More Info]. Please verify your e-mail address or try again later. 4chan Pass users can bypass this block [Learn More]> sigh and close the tab
>>110274843to play devil's advocate this is the fault of modern internet shit enabling botnets (and gay furry pedos)
>>110274843>> Posting from your IP range has been temporarily blocked due to abuse [More Info]. Please verify your e-mail address or try again later. 4chan Pass users can bypass this block [Learn More]>> sigh and close the tabLOL I have no idea why 4chan fagots are so obsesed over>No acounts!Because accounts prevent this kind of shit. This FBI honeypot website is full of retards! Back in the day we did not have problems creating accounts on forums, private trackers work like this and lost of websites on the dark net.
>>110274911Private trackers need accounts so they can hand over your information to the FBI so you can go get assraped in prison.Back in my days, 4chan had no captcha and had no issues. There was no meme muh rangeban over literally nothing. Nobody was banned for saying nigger or calling a jeet a jeet. Now it's all random bans that make no sense, racism this trolling that.And no, the "spamming" pre-captcha was never a real issue. Yes shit was bad for a week or two every so often. That was literally it, nothing before or since. Spam has NOT gone down with captcha.
>>110274947>Private trackers need accountsTo nto be retarded!If things get shity they delete peopel and close registration keeping it clean.>your information to the FBI so you can go get ass raped in prison.LOL on private trackers for years nothing happened.Did you not use a VPN fag?>Back in my days, 4chan LOL No retard before that there where forums, you only know 4chan you retarded frog poster!>Nobody was banned for The bans where more intense during that time!
>>110259834fuck off von der Leyen, it's not ZKP and you know it, nobody will use your bullshit app, you can do everyone a favor by jumping off a bridge
>>110275040>a series of 5 minute meme bans = 3-7 days because you correctly identify an Indian You’re also an obvious ESL so looks like I found another one.
>>110274947>>110275040Accounts solve shit loads of problems like some fagot pretending to be multiple people or knowing how many people are in a thread actually or who you are talking to. This is why palces like /pol/ use ids the retards way of having acounts.The only fagots hurt by accounts is the same retard who spams the same shit in every thread and you realize>Oh it is that guy again! Remember thumbnail picker guy? That one fagot in every linux thread who will say>Muh linux has no thumbnails in the file picker.Like there are people who actually use that shit on windows etc? With accounts you can see his 5 billion posts in every thread saying the same shit and you realize to ignore mental illness.
>>110258429>> banning legal porn in UK.how is it a bad thing, brit cuck should suffer for the sin of being alive
>>110275068>3-7 daysIt was always a 4 or so day block.>Muh ESLI debunked you in every main point you have nothing left EFL! >Muh ESLI am ESL so what? Are you proud of not knowing a second language EFL trash?
>>110275072>reddit accountranny Indian thinks the literal non-issue of samefagging is a good justification for accounts completely outweighing the negatives yeah just kill yourself via train like your kin
>>110275054>it's not ZKPIt is.
>>110275040Did the clanker tell you this? 0 relation to real life.
>>110275072Holy tourist.
>>110275085>I am very best proud of knowing the gujerati saar EFL! you are on an American website consuming posts in English and media in English outside of /int/ or /jp/. Your Hindunuffin tongue matters not.
>>1102751261) I am not indian2) EFLs have various mental retardation's and misconceptions because they only know 1 language.3) Instead of addressing my points you did go>YOU ARE ESL!See point 24)>Muh American website consuming posts in English Maybe your government should have thought about that before deciding to colonize my country and make it part of the NATO empire? Colonialism tends to bite back since the colonized often come to your capital.
>>110265295for most normies that IS the entire internet. We know this. Not even Reddit usually just Instagram, SnapChat, Facebook Google and Youtube contain everything.
>>110275289...and thus that's where a lot of content was/is posted despite everything.
>>110275457Especially Reddit for hobbies, including the sorts of things people like us like.I'd short reddit if AV was guaranteed; it's always been dependent on a low barrier to entry...
one can hardly register a new free email address without being asked for id verification, surprisingly i managed to get one from microsoft
>>110258429It's for your safety though and to protect kids too. It's a good thing.
>>110277522Proton usually works too.Even hit-or-miss over TOR.
>>110259068>Banning VPSs? When?Not op, but I believe he's referring to the kyc law
>>110259653>just maek nu weband how are we going to secure it against the hoarde of bots, jeets, NGOs, and government actors? 4chan managed maybe a few years before mossad tried grooming moot. and then theres DDOSing, CP spam, and the poisoned chalice that is the inevitable "pay us and we can block all that for you" services that will spring up in response to it.our enemies didnt just kill the web, they made it impossible for the web to exist.
>>110274877>to play devil's advocate this is the fault of modern internet shit enabling botnets (and gay furry pedos)if you were old enough youd know that the gay furries are the least pedo
>>110280568not in this particular case, no.
>>110280557Use a distributed architecture so that DDoS doesn't work. Jeets won't find it because it won't be on the clearnet and easily accessible. Or, you can add a clearnet readonly mirror so people know it exists but jeets can't post. Since it's distributed, nobody can pay to shut it down without paying everyone in the network etc.Add distributed moderation layers (people broadcast their moderation decisions and people can decide whose decisions they want to subscribe to). Now you can block whatever you want and keep whatever you want unblocked depending on your preferences. Bonus: you can use that as a topic sorting mechanism (e.g. you want to block troon contents or you want to block pr0n or you ONLY want pr0n, etc.)
>>110274877Not at all true. This is a meme that those doing this use to force people like you who don't know any better to accept this enshitification of the web.
>Not at all true. This is a meme that those doing this use to force people like you who don't know any better to accept this enshitification of the web.
