Anti AI seems to be the new body positivity/your fave is problematic for woke 2.0Why does every single political movement always have to self sabotage with 2-3 big pet issues that are very obviously uninformed and reactionary?Look the technology (which this thread is discussing) is inherently leftist and democratizing. What did you think the "automation" in "automated luxury space communism" meant?
>>110298143Leftism had a generational mandate after the shitsplosion of maga and they're throwing it away because some retarded 17 year old thot leaders don't understand programming>But ai is massively unpopular among normal peopleYeah was it massively unpopular before rent seeking artists began straight up making up propaganda that data centers boil away the oceans and eat babies and it lowers IQ or whatever
>>110298143AI isn't bad, but most of the AI companies are, especially the closed-weight ones.
>>110298143It's called SI
>>110298143Fuck off Gemma, I asked you to sort my directories, not post on 4chan again
>>110298164Basically all companies with significant power on earth suck. I would wager Anthropic is leagues ahead of Nestle or Microsoft in terms of being bad for the world(TM).I don't know about OAI.Still the issue is your take is nuanced and valid but pretty inert. Swap out "internet" with "AI" and you could say the same exact thing in the 2000's about telecom. We need actionable policy like UBI or sovereign wealth funds, the latter of which anthropic has internally committed to but the goynited states of america hasn't demanded legally. Even if you're not a leftist why hasn't the USG publicly embedded itself in the frontier labs like METR? They're involved in basically every other national security relevant industry
>>110298143Socialists are inherently anti-truth, by definition you cannot get them to accept truth or prosper, you can keep banging your head against the wall while we capitalist vibekings build the future and you have to wrangle your socialist comrades into accepting 2+2=4
>>110298196No ancaps are fucking retarded, if you addressed externalities (especially environmental) and market distortions caused by coercion and inherent human dependence you would just create a system resembling socialism where all necessities are free just with some symbolic labor and the only thing actually valued by the market would be luxuries nobody needs to liveEven Adam Smith sort of talked about this
>>110298185republicans are against regulation, which I support. this isn't the manhatten project. some degree of competition is good, and anthropic's attempts to stifle that in the name of "safety" are BS. I'm not really opposed to the sovereign wealth fund / UBI thing in principle, but I don't think it's actually possible or going to happen. There are no free lunches. There's going to be some huge strings attached or some other kind of demonic crap associated with it, guaranteed. Maybe it's a revelation thing. If you commit wrongthink then you get cut off and you can no longer buy and sell. Mark of the beast on your hand and forehead. Corruption of the mind and your ability to take action. Idk, I'm not even that religious.
>>110298226>Even Adam Smith sort of talked about thisYou don't know anything about Ancaps if you think we give a shit about Adam Smith, I however have read much socialist literature and I can assure you it's all hyper-ideological bullshit.You cannot build a good society based around theft. You and your socialist comrades are in denial of reality. Then you wonder why your socialist comrades self sabotage, because denial of reality is by definition self sabotage.You value opinion over truth and that is why you fail.
>>110298237It's 100x bigger than the Manhattan project you dope and contrary to what I said even the incompetent ass trump admin foisted CAISI on the labs You are just a pessimist. There are free lunches. Public college used to be free in California until Reagan. We have water fountains, public libraries with free internet, public roads that are essentially free to travel, national and state parks, GPS, you can go out west and freely pan gold if you want to. We have food banks that anyone can go to without going through an application process to get a literal free lunch. The issue is you are a pessimist and lack imagination and are already mentally primed to being raped
>>110298226NTA but this line of thinking is out of touch with reality. When someone can get all their necessities without work, they won't work. This is why NEETs are a modern phenomenon. 80% of people would happily exist as a pure net drain on society (classic 80-20 problem; see Mancur Olson/free riders in collective action). Moreover, since this is /g/, you should reminder yourself that those "expensive luxuries" are mostly digital these days. The uncoerced man can simply pirate all luxuries.However, this powerful voting bloc of free riders should also not be expected to be static in nature. The problem is that you describe 'inherent human dependence' and 'free necessities', but these just create a movable line. Bread and water? Too cruel even for prisoners, they need food stamps to choose their own food. But food stamps are too cruel, you can't get a hot meal - every human deserves hot meals every day. But making them travel to get it is cruel and unfair to the impoverished, they deserve workers to bring them any fresh-cooked meal of their choice three times a day. No matter how badly they care for a home, they deserve a high quality domicile wherever they choose, shelter is a core necessity. Is sex not also on Maslow's the base layer of hierarchy of needs? Will the government not necessarily need to step in and provide sex-dispenser wives for these non-working cretins? As a massive majority, in any democracy this group will continue to expand its entitlements. Which is why socialism insists that it cannot exist in democracy, it must come from a centrally planned state controlled by a bureaucrat cabal that will issue to each their own 200 sqft commieblock and just enough oats to eat three days a week. Coercion is re-introduced to the system, but it's now explicit with state police who will kill those who do not work.
>>110298159is this even leftism anymore? seems like a spinoff of a spinoff since 2010.
>>110298196>>110298143>>110298159And yet you don’t know where the money goes.>trvst the plan Luddite! Two moar weeks
>>110298268Interesting how you didn't mention SNAP/EBT or the welfare state for browns/veterans/the disabled--because those all come with horrific strings attached... and yet they're the closest parallel to the UBI idea.
>>110298143stop spamming this board with your samefaggot thrash you retarded tech illietate educational failure. Thank you.
>>110298280If you genuinely believe that it's impossible to draw a reasonable line between having a basic slightly above prison hot meal and eating lobster and caviar This entire post is just a slippery slope/continuum fallacy.It's dumb for other reasons anyways - not many people in america actually has to work if they don't want to. We have social programs that prevent someone from sleeping on the street, starving, et cetera. But people don't choose to quit working even though that's an option for basically anyone because people want to eat steak and lobster and buy the newest iPhone or whatever. According to you, this is impossible because the fact that we already provided base subsistence for people means that 80% of people are now not working and also we're already halfway down the slide to giving everyone free steak and lobster, which we really aren't. Food stamps don't pay for Nobu no matter how much boomers want to make you believe that.
>>110298333Great, so AI is going to take all the jobs and in return I'll get 3 hot meals per day from the state? Holy shit, what a utopia! Everyone will be like homless and free o algo.
>>110298326They come with horrific strings attached because we attached horrific strings to them. I'm assuming the horrific strings you're talking about is the eligibility issue where these programs act like golden handcuffs where people actually end up benefiting less as they make more money, which... Isn't an issue with UBI. That's what the "U" stand for.Or the administration issue with the VA, which UBI also solves. Direct deposit, essentially no administration. Let private industry sort that out.
>>110298280This is true, the worst of corporatism is made even worse under socialism, because instead of having to earn your shit through trading they can just steal it by violence
>>110298353So are you arguing for or against the slippery slope you described, then, asshole?
>>110298333>If you genuinely believe that it's impossible to draw a reasonable line between having a basic slightly above prison hot meal and eating lobster and caviarAnd who draws that line under socialism? Oh yeah the government bureaucrats and thugs. Don't worry they'll give you half a loaf of bread and you better work or face the wall.Slippery slope has happened before by the way.
>>110298361NTA... This is a useless conversation. The simple fact of the matter is that nobody is going to like AI until it starts benefiting people instead of harming them, and so far for the past 4 years it has only harmed people (unless you count being able to vibecode pelican bicycle animations as "beneficial"). AI shills can fuck off with their utopian "trust me bro" bullshit.
>>110298353bread lines are luxury space AIDS communism or something o algo
>>110298372Doesn't really sound much different than "don't worry they'll give you shitty insurance that barely covers anything and you better work or face debt slavery or literal decrepitude/death"... Niiiggaaa
>>110298383Great, it doesn't sound different? Go to North Korea then, you'll love it there. It's so much better than here trust me.
>Let's destroy the entire US economy so that AI can play video games, make art, music, shop, and otherwise take over every enjoyable part of life for us. Then we'll have more time to work in the salt mines!
>>110298399no need for a salt mine my friend we have you
>>110298393Universal healthcare is a fucking pipe dream, no developed, nice country has it, it's just some thing you find in unstable hellholesOn wait....
>>110298407heh, good one.
>>110298409The US already has universal healthcare. No doctor is going to refuse to treat you because you can't afford it. That's not how it works.
>>110298413Okay then, I guess we're socialists too already and there's no argument you fucking disingenuous dumbass
>>110298409>japan>free universal healthcarenice b8, that shit ain't free costs money. insurance baby. fuck me I wish it was at least optional.
>>110298409Government always attempts to increase itself, any country who's government keeps increasing will inevitably turn into a shithole
>>110298437who the fuck is that? do you just go around taking random pictures of people at bars?
>>110298437the US government keeps expanding, the debt is at 50 trillion dollars now, the US is certainly getting less capitalist.
>>110298409btw on that map North Korea has free and universal healthcare KEK
>>110298462Kek you later frens
>>110298409Even if its free, you have to wait on a queue to get treated.
They should use AI for their retarded nonsensical article titles
>>110298443>>110298454And yet the parties that oppose government spending seem to always increase the deficit...
>>110298469I had to recently find a new doctor after I moved for a new job on my private insurance in the US and the earliest appointments were literally 10 months out.
>>110298480>the parties that oppose government spending increase government spendinggee its almost as if politicians are full of shit
>>110298490just stop voting for the wrong ones retard
>>110298250explain why profit skimming is not theft.
>>110298442gaijins don't get it for free
>>110298503every faggot I voted for lost, so I never made the wrong choice
>>110298503>just stop voting for the wrong ones retardlmao, voot harder! it will work after the next 10 times im sure, just 1 more vooooot
>>110298237I'm pretty center and I hate both parties and big tech companiesBut I think it's very interesting you essentially say democrat guided regulation is bad because it's feeding into what anthropic wants. I don't even disagree with your take exactly, but it also feels extremely backwards that your issue with the government regulating AI companies is that it helps the big AI companies too much.The entire point of the government is to prevent the free market from going into overdrive and creating a monopolist singularity where one company bought everything. Truly the system is fucked beyond belief when regulating companies is bad because it strengthens monopolies.
