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Oh shit I'm first.

>>8077348
Huh, looks oddly like https://x.com/sio_kakeruhito/media

>>8075823
>Those Fore gens
Holy based.

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is there a good prompt for a panel cut in for like if I wanted to add a panel at the top left and then inpaint a character's reaction?

I'm on NAI and I've been trying shit like "cut-in, split perspective, panel, multiple perspectives" but they don't seem to be working

Reminder that Astralite purposefully included gpo and ces in his dataset.

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>>8077447
>Previous Thread: >>8072969
So... What happened THIS time?

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>>8077450
I started talking to a guy on civ and he has a similar FF OC as you, so I shared fore with him. hope you don't mind. I think he's doing her justice.

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gimme your rule 63s

>>8077476
trans is /d/

>>8077473
The rule was you needed to wait 20 images. You now need to wait 20 images to post again. Fucking retard can't even follow a simple guideline to be less annoying

>>8077489
There is also a rule for you, why don't you follow it?

>>8077451
This shit isn't magic. Your best bet is to gen the reaction cut-in separately, find a good unimportant area of the main image, and edit them together yourself.

>>8077472
the entire thread derailed in group hatred of the retarded miqo poster spamming, so the janny archived it
>>807745
I hate astratroon but
>fe(ces)
>(g)a(p)ing h(o)le
those two are obviously tag bleed. can't convince me against the hashing in general, though

>>8077493
You will not stop me from shitting on the people actively making the thread worse. If you weren't a retarded newfag, you'd know that user enforced culture is the only time 4chan is good. You want hdg to improve? Stop accepting people spamming and avatarfagging.

>>8077500
I like the miqo posting, better than generic anime crap with washboard bodies

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>>8077495
>the entire thread derailed in group hatred of the retarded miqo poster spamming, so the janny archived it
Was thinking that the /d/-tier OP was behind it but that sounds way worse.

>>8077495
whoops, second quote was for >>8077452
obviously

>>8077501
That's great, all anyone has been asking is that it's posted in moderation and not spammed.

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fucked teeth but, man, the hands are in the right place

>>8077512
catbox?

>>8077495
>>(g)a(p)ing h(o)le
That's not how tokenization works

>>8077512
this why u should tag everything

>>8077538
that is how the tag bleed works, you can see it in a bunch of different prompts and concepts. if you'd ever struggled with pony randomly retarding your lora captions, you'd know.

>>8077548
you have no idea how the text encoder works, newfriend

>>8077538
Nta but that literally is how it works, go type it into your prompt. I hate the horsediddler as much as the next guy but this explanation makes perfect sense

>>8077550
bad bait

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>>8077473
Oh yea I don't mind. It's nice to see Fore appear in random places. Though there's a part of me that's hoping for more degen stuff, but that's just wishful thinking.

>>8077548
tag bleed happens when a tag gets clip tokenized and into multiple tokens and the broken up tokens point to different vectors you don't get tokens ids from random letters from a tag

>>8077478
the power of SD3

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>>8077552
>>8077554
here's your (you)

>>8077556
You literally see that exact thing happen with pony all of the time. The hashing discovery itself would be impossible were this not correct. I'm being trolled, aren't I?
>>8077559
Now put "gaping ho" you retarded nigger.

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compare with an obvious example of prompt bleed

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>>8077561
you're obviously too retarded to explain things to, last (you) i'm giving you

>>8077561
I'm not denying that pony's tag bleeding is horrible. The rationale that the letters coninciding must be why it's bleeding is stupid as fuck. It's because the model is fried as fuck.

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>>8077563
here you go, retard, apologize any time

>>8077566
I'll wait, btw, for your apology. feel free to post a gen to compensate for acting like a smartass when you were wrong

None of this would be happening if you faggots actually did a day0 and leaked v3.

>>8077566
Look closely at how the tokenizer is dividing up the string dumbass. They're going to be separate token ids.

>>8077568
None of this IS happening, anon. You are in a dream. WAKE UP!

that was a different anon btw, i'm still not giving you any more (you)s
when people are below a certain iq it simply isn't worth the time trying to explain concepts to them

>>8077569
it divides it the exact way it divides gpo, accept being wrong with some grace next time instead of acting like a smug faggot with a superiority complex. maybe your coworkers will stop bullying you if you manage basic socialization

>>8077572
you're right, my bad for imagining you had the IQ to accept your mistake even when the proof is directly infront of you. of course it makes more sense he deliberately trained on random gaping holes and named it gpo, silly me!

you must have the world's lowest self esteem to have this level of unwarranted self importance. actually sad.

>>8077574
The token ids will be different you fuck head. Your only claim here is "it's 2 tokens" instead of what those tokens are.

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I don't know why there's a nerd fight going on but from that one anon bring up gaping hole I never bought it because if that's the case why is Houshou Marine, aua? I think I'd rather chalk it up to coincidence and the Pony author being lazy with his hashing.

>>8077572
Bet he isn't low iq, just derailing the thread by pretending to be an absolute retard. "I'm being trolled, aren't I?" while trolling himself. The level of thread shittery going on in this place is something else. I'm amazed...

>>8077581
go ahead and gen on a fixed seed GPO then gap ho, I'll wait for your apology, yet again.

Discussions like this is exactly why the Janny binned our other thread. Fucking at least attach gens to your posts.

>>8077571
You either wake me up or we all stay in this dream, suffering from retarded gpo dilemmas.

yeah that's how any of this works
mjm translates to zankuro because all the letters are in that tag
jesus christ the retardation on display

>>8077583
you might be right actually, that's also a strategy the thread schizo was using recently
if that's so then the joke is on me for falling for it i guess

>>8077582
It's lazy hashing combined with a fried model which leads to single tokens being overfit to be able to express a concept on its own

>>8077582
Because there is both hashing and tag bleed in the list. Why the fuck would he hash whatever gpo is, if it's not literally a malformed estimation of "gaping hole"?

>>8077589
Gaping hole and feces being tag bleed doesn't disprove the hashed characters and artists, you dumb fuck. Autistic jeets should never have been given internet, my god.

NGL, the gaping hole thing sounds reasonable to me I don't get what everyone's flipping out about .. can someone do the gen gap ho vs gpo thing so we can see visual evidence? I'm not at my PC or I would desu

why are you guys fighting

I fucked your moms

gaping hole isn't even a tag, what the fuck?

>>8077594
Because it's more funny when you treat it like Astralite's personal onahole collection.

>>8077598
because this smug retard wanted to talk down to someone for an ego boost and is now mad he's been proven wrong. the other guys are just confused thinking gaping hole = defending astracuck, when in reality no one at any point said there wasn't still artist/character hashing. this one thing just happens to be some kind of fried model tag bleed.

>>8077348
Yeah please post the hf link I would like to give it a try
Also link the esoteric sample, still I forgot how to install a new sampler tbdesu (I'm on forge)

>>8077600
How do you find that out ? You just try genning with it and get nothing ?

wtf it actually is the same... try it with a fixed seed, might be slight ancestral sampler difference etc but it's pretty damning?

What's the effect of BREAK in prompt?

>>8077619
resets token count. attempts to keep his blue hat away from her pink hair. attempts to keep her plump lips away from their body shape.

should you tag stuff like 'bangs' and 'hair between eyes' for lora? I get those anyway without any sort of tagging

>>8077620
Got it, thanks

>>8077620
Attempt being the key word here, break rarely effectively prevents tag bleed. The more prominent purpose of break is to reassert a tags strength in a new token chunk

>>8077621
You tag everything you don't want it to learn. Just use an autotagger and if it throws those in, keep them. Unless you're doing a character lora and you want those to be a no changing part of the character, then don't tag them

>>8077612
check the boorus he named as dataset sources
unless you mean to tell me he was too lazy to hash shit properly (an automated process) but not lazy enough to not manually go through his dataset tagging shit with a tag that doesn't exist

>>8077621
no, if the character has that feature at ALL times, then leave it out (unless its part of an alternate hairstyle then leave it in)

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>>8077621
tag everything except the things you want all the time

if you don't tag sometime you don't want, it will bleed into the lora itself. if you tag it, the only way to get the thing you don't want is by using that tag

>>8077626
He recaptioned the dataset and did other fucky things we don't have specifics on, it's not a 1:1 for booru data

>>8077626
>>8077632
"Gaping hole" could also be part of whatever homosexual natural language captioning he did.

>>8077631
>>8077627
>>8077625
understood thanks anons

>>8077632
Is that the reason why cascade isnt good, because it was trained on 1:1 booru tags with no natural language captioning?

>>8077633
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a caption that somehow got fucked up and shortened by accident in his retarded censorship or hashing attempts. He's put on full display he doesn't have the faintest idea of what he's doing while discussing this stuff in the SAI discord, so it's not hard to believe he'd butcher even a simple script.

"gaping" is a danbooru tag and "hole" is something the model understands for plenty of reasons

>>8077638
I don't know, I've never tried cascade. Considering the compute/funding difference it'd be hard for me to willingly compare them

>>8077641
but simultaneously the fact that pony knows fuckall of SDXL's natural language prompting is a constant complaint here
it just happens to work this time for reasons

still awaiting the gen posting as an apology. any day now, "newfriend".

>>8077631
>if you tag it, the only way to get the thing you don't want is by using that tag
this is definitely not true at all
>>8077638
until someone trains a 1:1 version of the model with NL captions and it turns out better then nobody knows

>>8077645
surely you can't be getting impressed by pony understanding what a hole is

>>8077645
I mean pony is an absolutely fucked model at its core that either lucked out hard, or he reached the "throw enough compute at it, and it doesn't matter how hard you fuck up" threshold. It being retarded is a feature at this point, honestly..

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>>8077605
Threw it in this repo: https://huggingface.co/LMFResearchSociety/Tiantianquan
The org is auto-approve. Just apply on HF and you should get instant access.

>>8077653
true if you have a high quality training data and poor training captions with shit hyperparams, it can still converge and generalize okay if you train long enough. this is what makes it all one big meme, anons think you can fuck up training without the secret sauce, only way you fuck up training is choosing not enough layers or a crackhead training rate. those are the only two paramers that cant be solved with more epochs.

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>>8077647
yeah not 100% but it helps to not get something not desired if it's all tagged

>>8077659
>those are the only two paramers that cant be solved with more epoch
The ultimate solution is having a userbase with low standards

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Anyone know what the hell kind of settings/artist/etc someone is using via novelAI to get this kind of result?

>>8077684
I see flooxy but I see flooxy in my sleep at this point.

training an underwater ballsucking lora for my onsen gens

is there a documentation on latentmodifier on forge?
wtf all of those things do?

what upscalers are recommended?

>>8077717
4xnomos8k is the only one I ever use anymore. Slow as balls if you were trying to use it for hi-res fix so probably don't do that.

>CivitAI image generator maintenance
REEEEEE I GOT BUZZ TO USE YOU FAGGOTS

>>8077733
>CivitAI image generator
uhh...

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>>8077476
enjoy
>>8077694
do tell

Redpill me out of DDIM

>>8077717
4xnomos8k IS, indeed, slow as balls.
I'd recommend 4x_IllustrationJaNai_V1_ESRGAN_135k

>>8077733
We need to crowdfund this man a GPU, /hdg/

>>8077717
lanczos is all you need

>>8077067
Can I get a hildabox?

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Haha my wife Fubuki is so clumsy

newfags here, which model should I start with?

>>8077806
Autism mix to start, grab it on civit (should be a link in the OP). Any lora made for "pony" will work with it, don't bother with 1.5 or regular sdxl loras

>>8077814
thanks anon

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>>8077806
Posting this for you in advance, use 1024*1024 to start. Genning outside of these sizes will give you wonky results usually. Download forge then never update it for the best genning speed (comfy is similar in speed but horrible for beginners). Prompt using danbooru tags, natural language is crap. Look at the images on Civit under the model and find some you like, then study their prompts and try things til you find your groove. Loras in the op are usually more reliable than ones on Civit (,hit and miss), if you decide to download any from Civitake sure they're for "pony".

>>8077819
Ignore the typos, I'm literally falling asleep on my phone kek. Have fun, ask here if something doesn't work, someone will answer

>>8077819
>>8077821
ok will do. I will use forge. dumb question: why not use pony as model?

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I'm gonna try to unfuck my lora once again, with masked loss now that we have the tech. Did anyone experiment with it more in-depth? I'll probably bake some single-image overfit ones just to figure out how it works. Questions I'm looking at:
- Should it be a hard border mask or feathered? How much feathering? Where to place the border exactly, before or after the character outline, or halfway through?
- Someone mentioned composition problems when you mask everything other than the character. How big of an issue is this and would this be resolved with using partial transparency masks? Do you still tag the background when the model can only 25% see it?
- If a character feature is inaccurate in one image and you mask it, will that cause problems? Not my case, but say you're training on AI output and they have bad fingers that you mask over. Would it just learn the character as an amputee, or give her some default hands?

>>8077823
it has very unappealing style and jpeg artifacting issues, requires more understanding how to deal with shit models
autism might be bland-looking but it just works

>>8077823
autismmix is just pony with some style loras merged it so that its style is not all over the place, especially for genning anime. You can try it out too, but it's not as beginner friendly.

>>8077826
how about VAE? which one should I use? is it necessary?

>>8077828
Every checkpoint has a VAE baked in already, you're just setting an override. It's not necessary.

>>8077830
a lot of pony-based checkpoints have broken 1.0 vae baked-in (don't remember about base pony, I think it does)
but yeah if you're using autismmix it's fine

>>8077832
base, ebara, midkemia, reweik, pvc figure, everclear, zonkey...they all seem to use the SDXL base one. I think the only broken VAE I saw was on reproginex, which was an early merge attempt with animagine.

>>8077833
I've used pony diffusion for anime and some other shitmix, don't remember they had broken vaes, some other anons had jaggy lines and didn't even notice. I'm not currently using pony so I don't know about newer models actually
>SDXL base one
that's unironically the broken one.

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I feel retarded, but on autismmix I have trouble getting the ass grab pose where she squeezes her buttock, I'm trying different combinations of positives and negatives but I get an overwhelming majority of images where she does the "ass lift" pose instead. Ironically in sd 1.5 it was the opposite and we had a lora for this.

>>8077835
Broken how? The same one is also inside autismmix and animagine

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>>8077839
took a random pic from archives as an example
see anything wrong?

it's sdxl 1.0 vae making the lines jaggy. especially visible near eyes.
0.9 is the proper vae

>>8077842
Just saying pretty much every XL model in existence uses the same VAE. And I'm not getting jaggy lines using it. Maybe it is all 0.9, who knows.

>>8077843
yes it's all 0.9 vae. I remember this shit going on almost a year ago when xl released with jaggy vae and people were using "leaked" 0.9 vae instead.
people bake it in most of the models, but not all of them

Requesting this scene with Mio Naruse and Basara Toujou in color and in the Shinmai Maou no Testanemt anime artstyle.

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Anon recommended me this https://openmodeldb.info/models/4x-IllustrationJaNai-V1-ESRGAN
for upscaling images for lora training and it was good but it made this particular dataset too clean so now I'm using https://openmodeldb.info/models/4x-Nomos8kDAT which I think another anon also recommended and it's better. It's pretty slow though, my GPU is vrrrring.

>>8077855
someone needs to fix the roof

>>8077772
>>8077762
>>8077725
Do you guys have before/after?

>>8077495
> >fe(ces)
What if I prompt something like prin(ces)s?

Are all those gay loras uploaded by gays or are there actual femcels in the AI space?

is civitai worth it?

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>>8077853
Forgot the image. oops...

>>8077894
It's not an issue since "princess" is it's own unique token. Feces is not a unique token and is split between fe + ces.
Here's the list of tokens for SDXL:
https://huggingface.co/stabilityai/sdxl-turbo/raw/main/tokenizer_2/vocab.json

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>>8077900
Never worked with reColor before

>>8077899
worth it...? It's generally the go to place for models yeah

>>8077899
is posting on 4chan worth it?

>>8077805
Cute, but I'm surprised it didn't show off her tail pentagram.

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Requesting this image to be extended to be made into a background, please and thank you.
Going for something more dynamic shown here:
https://files.catbox.moe/cu8c41.png
Just so it's less boring by having them in the middle of the screen, but feel free to tweak it to suit your own background as a test if you'd like to see what works best without being too far off to the right.
Background can be kept simple with that forest look.

Artist is Boris (Noborhys) if that helps at all.

>>8077915
I meant the subscription for the buzz.
>>8077916
depends on the board you post on.

>>8077939
buzz is just for genning images right? I guess if ur a poorcel without a gpu maybe

>>8077940
I have a 1060 3gb, I use comfy. I'm surprised it works at all.
I get an image about one every three minutes, depending on the steps, very rarely I'll get an out of memory error if I'm trying to high-res or face detail.
I pressume gpus with more vram/modern make images in under 30 seconds or something.

>>8077943
if you can at all afford it get a 12gb+ gpu, trying to gen online is going to be tedious

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>find out that milking machine is a tag that nai understands
well there goes my whole day.

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>>8077824
Made a dozen terrible loras for research. I'll just leave this here in case anyone cares:
- I saw no difference between carefully tracing her outline, and just drawing a mask in 10 seconds with a paintbrush
- Even at 10% transparency it still learns large concepts from those areas, just a lot slower and with minimal detail. It's better to keep that stuff tagged
- Not an issue. I tried masking her nipples and it still reliably gives her some without needing to prompt for them specifically, they're just not Obui's gigantic ones since that part wasn't trained.

Bonus image from when I reversed the nipple mask by accident.

Is there a rentry for regional prompting?

Also I'm starting to understand anons saying you only need 10 good images for a character lora. Even from a single one it can learn the face and hair very accurately. Costumes, accessories and other fine details are the problem. I don't think I've ever trained from a good image before. Might be worth doing an anime or game character as a tutorial, to see how it's supposed to work.

>>8077956
Like an extended tutorial? Most of the stuff I've seen is outdated, from before attention couple. But we can try to answer specific questions at least.

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>>8077824
feathering doesn't seem to matter much, i just use hard pixels. i place borders outside of the outline.
the fucked up composition issues i think are due to actual image composition and are simply exacerbated by masks. partial transparency doesn't fix it, you need to actually fix the image composition for it to work. doing that is actually very easy, though, since you're masking everything else in the image you can just translate the character's position and pad the canvas without worry.
you can probably mask inaccurate features. it wouldn't learn the character as an amputee, however, since the ai is just being told to ignore the masked areas in its loss calculations

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I updated a lot of my older loras + added in some of the requests from this thread

https://mega.nz/folder/2uBXjCRY#lPq-GnLJ1izbiJF0Y1N6TQ

if anyone's got any style requests or any critique for my loras ill be more than happy to hear them

>>8077956
heres a pretty good guide

https://civitai.com/models/339604/how-to-generate-multiple-different-characters-mix-characters-andor-minimize-color-contamination-or-regional-prompt-adetailer-and-inpaint-or-my-workflow

>>8077945
Nice. Could you try a style where the milk has more substance? I have an example of what I mean, but no specific artist https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/7596442

>>8077957
The most important thing is really just quality data. The problem is that fan art can be wildly inconsistent in how it gets small details and I'm starting to realize that it be more poison than anything, but the positive side to using fan art is that is can serve as regulation which will help from burning in a style.
If you want a good way to learn then find a VN that has sprite rips since that will give you possibly nude sprites, different outfits to train and expression variety and then just hand pick some CGs of the heroine to balance out the white/black backgrounds a bit.

>>8077963
>style requests
I have one
https://danbooru.donmai.us/artists/314912
I requested that one some threads ago and one guy said he was going to bake it but it's been several days and he never delivered so it would be great if you did

>>8077963
My lora ideas folder has only one thing left in it, and it's so /aco/ I shouldn't even be asking. But if want something to bake https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/108192216

As for citicism, please try to avoid using trigger tags? They're a huge pain. btw the Zumi lora needs one and it's not written anywhere. Also what is the "EU03" folder? The images inside look like they're from various artists, and there's no "main" lora inside, only "other versions".

>>8077962
Thanks, that seems to match what I've seen so far.

>>8077966
Yeah. It seems to be learning more useful stuff from the 3 images I have of 1girl standing simple background, than from 15+ pics of various hardcore scenes with a tentacle wall background.

>>8077967
Hey, nice. Unique skin texture, almost like the guy making zombie kemono friends with NAI, only more flat. And inverted nipples rarely get this much detail.

>>8077963
Shit I was just about done sorting my loras

>>8077963
Requesting some styles
https://danbooru.donmai.us/artists/339514
https://danbooru.donmai.us/artists/46527
https://danbooru.donmai.us/artists/114243
I love these three, all very unique

>>8077963
can i request a pair for toned girls
https://danbooru.donmai.us/artists/350542
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=wiki&s=&s=view&id=7217

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>>8077967
added maruko_tooto to the mega link and this one doesnt need a trigger word

>>8077968
my main reason for adding them in was to make sure that the lora stays at 100% strength no matter the tags I use, i know its pretty autistic of me to do so since it really only effects the lora by like 3-5% so i'll omit using trigger words for the requests

and the eu03 folder was made to test between different settings/datasets and isnt really complete, but im planning on rebaking it

>>8077977
based oppai loli enjoyer

ill make them either alter today or tomorrow

>>8077980
both of these artists have been on my watch list for a while i'll probably make them tomorrow

>>8077968
forgot to say something,
have you taken a look at my lora folder? a good 50% of it is aco stuff , so your request won't be an issue

>>8077986
Yes, thanks. I wrote half the post first then forgot to edit it when it no longer made sense.

>>8077985
Thanks brother you're the goat for doing these requests for us

Is it over for OS for realsis this time?
https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1do5gvz/the_open_model_initiative_invoke_comfy_org/

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>>8077995
Hmmm

>>8077995
>Addressing major, substantiated complaints about unconsented references to artists and other individuals in the base model while recognizing training activities as fair use.
DOA

>>8077997
I'm surprised they mention that as an ethical concern but not cp

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>>8077992
you're welcome anon!

i'm just trying to give back the community, i know we like to shit on this thread for one thing or another but they're some genuinely helpful and kind people here that get drowned out by all the noise

>>8077985
>>8078003
ultra based
wish I had a good enough GPU to train style requests at decent speeds but my 8gbs are not doing the trick

When will Cascade become good?

>>8078005
Well someone already did a good-looking finetune, so it seems jordach will need to find his own way to get good results, as they say, just "skill issue" but the arch is not bad

>>8077985
I'm gonna try the chara lora trick with Obui; where you merge the author's style into the base model to then train a character on, negating most of the dataset's style influence. I'm guessing having an activation tag for the style should make it not work, unless the whole dataset is tagged with Obui. Which would then become a secondary activation tag for the character...probably?

>>8078008
>Well someone already did a good-looking finetune
Source?

>>8078010
Wouldn't call it good but anyway, from the last thread:
https://civitai.com/models/529792

>>8078010
It's not the "greatest thing you've ever seen" but at least it doesn't looks melted
https://civitai.com/models/529792
So my guess is that jordach's finetune is either underbaked or he doesn't knows how to bake in the arch yet
Or the 1B model is just unsalvageable garbage and not worth doing a finetune

>>8078013
i'm one of the people who have been complaining about 1B resonance but come on anon, this jeetmodel is hardly worth talking about
even the resonance prototype mogs it extremely hard when it comes to producing anime art

>>8078017
https://huggingface.co/stabilityai/stable-cascade
>Stage C comes with a 1 billion and 3.6 billion parameter version, but we highly recommend using the 3.6 billion version, as most work was put into its finetuning.
even the people who made cascade say not to use the 1b version

>>8077998
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
It's just fucking sad at this point
MUH GOVERNANCE, MUH ETHICS
It's just going to be another lobotomized model that'll probably be worse than any model Stability ever released. Also, civitai is involved in this - the same retards that wants to partner with Astralite to make his next model exclusive to their site. OPEN SOURCE BTW
kek
kek
kek

>>8078024
the claims by themselves might just be pr, we don't know shit at this point
while some amount of model cucking is sadly almost inevitable, I really doubt we'll see anyone go as far as saitards did

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>>8078028
lol

>>8078029
it's all so tiresome

>>8078024
I don't understand why everyone has such an issue with artist names all of a sudden.
The easiest way to describe a certain style is with names.
All you're doing is making it harder for people to get the picture that they want lol, since the actual images are still going to be in the dataset, just not tagged with the name of the artist.
How is that "ethical"?

>>8078023
Bruh
That explains why the proto 3.6B greatly outperforms the full bake in 1B
So I guess we can't judge the model until he starts baking the 3.6B one, at least it will be faster since he's already training the TE so he will just bake unet only

>>8078034
Or 3.6 times slower due to the increased param count

>>8078034
yes pretty much
what I don't understand is why doesn't he or his shills actually say it
there was no hope for 1b to begin with but now almost everyone thinks cascade is a complete failure

>>8078033
mmmmmmm yesss... love you...
i can feel a bit of white goo coming out from my cockhead every time i see her body... stroking rn

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Anyone here ever tried https://civitai.com/models/435207/artiwaifu-diffusion ?
It seems to be able to replicate certain artists really well.

>>8078038
Go back a month, one or two anons were shilling it pretty badly. Bottom line everything it makes looks like ass and it's not better than animagine at /h/ concepts.

>>8078032
>How is that "ethical"?
that's ethical because the people making the model are less likely to be sued

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>>8078040
I see.
I guess I'm just kind of bored with the pony/animagine aethetic.
Hopefully we can get something like NAI v3 for local soon.

>>8078040
The pics on the model page look pretty nice unlike anything that pony-based models shart out.

Is Ligmanese anon still here?
Could you please provide catbox or artists used for this pic?
https://civitai.com/images/13705147

>>8078035
He said about 6-7 days per epoch if trained with UNet(EffNet) only, using the rented rig of Adas6k
Currently the 1B one is coming 4 days per epoch so it's not that slow imo

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>>8078032
>>8078031
>>8078024
>>8077995
Off to a great start lads

>>8078048
>toxic material
It's over

>>8078044
https://files.catbox.moe/l4w7u0.png
Use stealth png

>>8078048
Our only option right now is to literally wait 10 years for consumer GPUs to get powerful enough to train models from scratch ourselves.

>>8078050
Adorable, thank you.

>>8078047
mmmmmmm fuck yeahhh i want see insides of her pussy and stick my throbbing cock inside

>>8078043
Hey, feel free to use it. Drop a catbox here if you get something good and others might also give it a try.

The preview images were generated on an earlier epoch that he didn't share. It was discussed itt back then, and people talk about it in the comments too.

>>8078032
because not a single artist consented to have their work used so it make it untouchable for potential investor unless they want a lawsuit up their ass
>>8078029
this is so retarded, because the data is ai generated doesnt mean it wont have artist influence in it it just mean it will be worse and less accurate at every step possible

>>8078052
oi you got a loicense for that gpu mate?

I have a character that has a dress which fits on these three tags: yellow dress, frilled dress, layered dress.
Thing is, pony recognizes these three tags, so in my mind keeping them all would help the model generate it correctly, right? but idk if that's true, if simply tagging it yellow dress would include the others as i'm training the lora

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>>8078043
Pony has it's place for H concepts, but I've been looking for a replacement for pure 1girl stuff for a while.
Animagine is fine but gets kinda stale.
I'll keep trying out this model to see if I can find a really good artist combination.

>>8078061
Depends on how you want to use the model. Including them all will work but you'll have to prompt for all three when genning, whereas just doing yellow dress should retrain the model's understanding of yellow dress into this specific style. It will take a bit longer to train, it will affect all yellow dresses in the scene (if you happen to gen her next to DQ's Alena for example, with regional prompter) and it will prevent you from genning her with a different style yellow dress (such as when cosplaying DQ's Alena)

>>8078029
why don't they just generate an infinite amount of images of metahumans to use for their dataset?
>>8078061
just tagging it as yellow dress will make the ai generate that dress most of the time

>>8078064

Don't bother, it's irredeemable.

t.wasted 2 days trying to force it to shit something decent out

>>8078034
base 3.6 looks better than e5, check for yourself if you don't believe me

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any ideas why my LoRAs don't play nice together? Specifically my styles and my characters - colors and textures go crazy.

Why are short haired girls wearing beanies so cute?

>>8078038
It generally knows more characters than animagine 3.1 and has better styles, it's also smarter despite having smaller dataset the cons are that it features somewhat quirky prompting and blurts this weird jpegged look, but at least it does look like anime.

>>8078073
I heard it might be caused by noise offset during training those loras, never tried to verify if that's true. There's also a soft limit to the total strength of loras you can gen with before the model breaks, lowering CFG lets you go a bit further.

>>8078064
you can also try heart of apple, I've had fun with that one and arti too, I think you can wrangle both of these models and get nice images if you have a good gpu, have time to waste experimenting and aren't a brainlet

>>8077838
>cock sock
kek

>>8078079
you can wrangle good images out of WD1.4, AOM2, EF and even the Cascade prototype, but the difference is that you don't need to fight a good model every step of the way to get good images out of it

>>8078024
guess i should've brought more RAM instead of GPU, textgen sounds more appealing than imagegen rn

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Here's with the style lora turned off, for completion's sake
>>8078078
It's weird that there's no good training config floating around, it seems like LoRAs I get from here don't typically have that problem.

You can just use pony and refine it with animagine, you don't even have to try to get good images with it.

>>8078087
Just use a lora.

>>8078088
Style loras are pretty weak on Pony compared to innate ones on Animagine for the same artist. In part because they're fighting the style influence of score tags, in part because styles are just weirdly hard to train on Pony.

>>8078087
I recommend using controlnet to guide the refiner step, otherwise animagine/arti/apple will keep trying to mess up your anatomy.

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>>8078088

>>8078090
>styles are just weirdly hard to train on Pony
because pony is burned to crisps and you need to burn your lora harder in order to combat it

>>8078094
This. Astratroon himself recommends using the same 100x LR for loras he used for the base model

>>8078082
yeah just like you can have the same results natively prompting danbooru characters and artists on WD1.4, AOM2, EF, and even the Cascade prototype, amirite? what a useless post

>>8078092
ahhhh ahhhh gooning for my cat mistress fuck feels so good i want to shoot my white baby amkkg goo inside her war vagina... ahhhh so much pre is coming out from the tip

>>8078093
if you use even ONE lora the model is SHIT
a good model has everything in the future preemptively!

>>8078101
loras can do everything
innate model style doesn't exist
if you bake a good lora you can get anime style from base 1.5 even!

>>8078097
don't know why you're replying if you're going to respond to something you imagined in your head but sure

>>8078097
Sad but true. The actual difference is that while on other XL models you're fighting for prompt comprehension, on Pony you're fighting for style control.

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>>8078086
i've found what seem to be pretty good settings for training styles, i just don't want to ever post about it on /h/ because part of it is a schizo lightning rod

>>8078106
do you mind sharing? I swear I'm not a schizo

>>8078094
Yeah. Actually, comparing Pony style loras to Animagine is the same as comparing them to Pony innate styles. Those are actually really strong and don't care about score tags, or whether your prompted concept is similar enough to the training dataset.

>>8078106
are they different from what you did for your koikatsu/xenoblade screenshot lora?

>>8078106
you know, somehow /b/ no sharers are gonna look better than /hdg/ schizo gatekeeping lora configs

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Thoughts on ponynai?
I don't see anyone using it ITT, is it bad?

>>8078114
>>>/d/

>>8078114
that vagina doesn't look healthy

>anti-lora schizo is going off
>again
jump off a bridge already.

>>8078119
nothing look healthy

>>8078106
>schizo lightning rod
low dim?

>>8078114
Bad lora compatability so its kind of pointless.

>>8078120
1. I'm not the only one.
2. I am not anti-lora, no one actually is. I'm mocking fucking retards who seem to think that loras are omnipotent and models don't make a huge difference in styles.

>>8078054
>>8078092
that's some fucking bizarre symbiosis you have together

>>8078126
literally nobody has ever said this

>>8078090
>Style loras are pretty weak on Pony compared to innate ones on Animagine for the same artist
Not only that, but if you ever trained Animagine, you could see how it **ACTUALLY** learns any style you throw at it if you just feed it some images captioned with WD tagger.
>in part because styles are just weirdly hard to train on Pony.
I have a theory on that, too, and the fact that astra fried the model is not related to its ability to learn styles.
The thing is, he trained in a very specific way. Aside from using retarded score tags and some weird ways to "hash" some tags, he also used NLP captions to improve comprehension. Not only that improved comprehension, but it also introduced a problem: the thing you are trying to train do not align with the model's internal representation of it. This happens because your dataset lacks NLP captions and you only feed it tags.
You can easily prove that theory if you try to use some weak style lora to gen something very close to an image from its dataset. The style will come out significantly stronger, so the problem is that the model doesn't understand your garbage datasets that do not have NLP captions.

Also, iirc astrakike used MinSNR so if you try to train using debiased estimation instead, it also introduces similar problem.

>>8078126
>models don't make a huge difference in styles
show me the post that said that or fuck off forever with your retarded headcanon

>>8078127
he's clearly a gay and enjoys when guys tell him how they stroke their pencils

Do you guys actually think these flat looking bright colored stiff posed images look good?
I can't tell if I'm falling for a meme here or you guys actually have horrible taste.

>>8078128
>>8078130
They do imply that, dismissing any differences in model styles (uhh why use animagine why use nai when you can train a style lora for pony??????) and any attempts at using refiner to improve styles on local.
>show me the post that
Fuck off, do you think I'm an archivist or something?

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>>8078100

>>8078127
it gives me things to prompt

>>8078133
>refiner
Jump off a bridge.
You are LITERALLY the only one.
Unironically. Every fucking time. It's always YOU and your retarded fucking """trolling""" trying to convince people into doing retarded shit.
Fuck off already.

>>8078130
>show me the post
any "why are yall keep mining pony hashes? we literally have loras!" retard after discovering aua

>>8078133
>uhh why use animagine why use nai when you can train a style lora for pony
another thing that nobody has ever seriously said
maybe you've been falling for the resident schizo's shitposts?

>>8078138
Say something about groids next, pwease.

>>8078107
https://files.catbox.moe/mi92u7.json
https://files.catbox.moe/ycyn7e.txt
iirc just the json should do an OK job, but the wildcards should still make it more reliable i think. just adjust the epochs until you hit 1500+ steps. i've tried a few different artists with different styles and that has seemed to work for all of them. idk if the TE LR is too high but things seem to work out fine on the models I actually gen with and i've been able to run multiple styles at full strength without the results looking too fucked up.
if you haven't used wildcards before then the idea is basically that something formatted like {A|B|C} will result in A, B or C being randomly selected and used during each step of training. the tokens in the .txt are all ones that should have an inherent style bias, so if you add that string of text to your training captions and use --enable_wildcard then you're effectively using difference via pony's built in styles instead of just whatever the existing captions produce.
>>8078109
same settings outside of loss masks.

>>8078129
>You can easily prove that theory if you try to use some weak style lora to gen something close to an image from its dataset
There could be other explanations. But yeah in regards to:
>if you ever trained Animagine, you could see how it **ACTUALLY** learns any style you throw at it
This also applies to AOM mixes and EasyFluff. Might be worth trying arti or apple just to check, but most likely it's only Pony that's weird this way.

>>8078140
Fuck it I'll go and search for it. I am fairly certain the tkmiz guy said dumb shit like this, for example.

For anyone lurking, here's the good guide on how to use refiner: https://rentry.org/anypony-science

>>8078133
So no one said that in this thread or the last few thread or it would have been easy for you to find it, you are just making shit up and misunderstanding stuff on purpose, just stfu

>>8078146
Why was it removed from the OP template?

>>8078143
>"network_dim": 32,
yawn

>>8078139
the reason we stopped mining hashes wasn't because of loras but because we figured out that the real hashes are way too long to brute force them and the 3 letter tags are prompt bleed from them, so they're too weak to capture the style of the full hash
nobody denies that it would be useful if we knew the full hashes

>>8078146
>loras are bad!
>6GB lora GOOD
fall 30 blocks in minecraft, no bucket.

>>8078143
thanks, much appreciated anon

>>8078151
Who are you quoting sir?

>>8078146
>good
>literal troll guide
sasuga
go find a bridge and jump off it already dude

>>8078153
You, the creator of that rentry that nobody uses.

>>8078149
buy more storage poorfag

>>8078143
mind posting some examples? am interested

>>8078154
Where's the trolling happens there? Post a reference or a quote please.

>>8078149
NTA but sorry not sorry, 32dim is the bare minimum to make a Style LoRA to look the right way, you can also train at that size dim then resize, 16dim or lower is just too small for the model to learn anything the right way, lower dims are only for super simple ass looking characters with no complex designs or outfits at all. Buy some SSD.

>>8078146
It's out of date, there's a better way to do it now. Finish the gen with just your first model, then use the same seed and controlnet from the finished image. This lets you switch models many steps earlier and get more of the second model's style, without losing composition and anatomy.

>>8078150
>nobody denies that it would be useful if we knew the full hashes
>nobody
yeah you weren't here when hashes were discovered

>>8078143
Got any for characters? Like, asymmetric characters

>>8078160
>refiner
I don't need to point out any further.
Toss the link of it into the archive and look at the earlier posts responding to it for why it's retarded.

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>>8077447
Ai sisters.... We're killing the planet

>>8078164
we didn't know that the hashes were much longer than 3 characters when we found them, when we figured that out was when interest in them died out
again, you might be getting confused because of the resident schizo's shitposts

>>8078170
That's just cloud LLMs, go back to /g/

>>8078173
>because of the resident schizo's shitposts
you can't dismiss every retarded take as one schizo's shitposts

>>8078143
>cosine_with_restarts

Are there any significant differences between schedulers? I've almost always used Constant and have never had any issues with it

>>8078167
So you are not going bother to prove your points? In that case I'm afraid your opinion is discarded.

>>8078167
because anon that wrote this guide was prompting melanin-rich males and it was groid spammer's prime, immediately assuming that he was behind killing thread = guide bad

>heh if you don't retread the same conversation every single time I post my retarded guide... I WIN!

>>8078177
question, don't your things fry too much when using constant?

>>8078162
Why don't you just use img2img at 1.0 denoise with CN enabled at this point?

>>8078178
enjoy your 6gb lora that will completely fuck anatomy and genitalia.

>>8078157
once this current training run is done i can gen some with the styles i've tried
>>8078166
turn off flip_aug and those are also the settings i've been using for character loras but i train with masked loss so idk if those will work 1:1
>>8078177
there is a difference, but i couldn't tell you concretely what those are. i did a few test runs of cosine vs cosine with restarts and different amounts of restarts a month or so ago and found that cosine with restarts 2 performed better with those settings at 1.5k steps so i went with that.

>>8078183
use a suicide lora

>>8078183
>fuck genitalia
OHH YEAHH IM CUMMING AHHH OHH

>>8078145
I'm too lazy to search for this shit, but I'll certainly point it out when someone say this shit next time and I see it. I didn't just fucking imagine this braindead take myself.

In a couple years we will have fully animated hour long hardcore rape movies animated by Satoshi Urushihara and voiced by Yui Horie and Rie Kugumiya.

It's such a good time to be alive.

>>8078100
>i want to shoot my white baby amkkg goo inside her war vagina
What did he mean by this?

>>8078182
First reason is comfy can do the workflow in one click, saves you having to gen those first few steps twice.
Second and more important, Animagine is often dumb enough to misinterpret background items as limbs, the other way around, or completely mess up 69 or other limb salad poses. It needs more guidance than just controlnet.

>>8078183
Be honest, are you a furry? I believe only furries came up with this "700 mb lora" bullshit meme first and unironically used it. In case that is true, why are you here?

>>8078194
...do you not understand that using a "refiner" means you're using the second model to try and impact the style?
XL models are 6.7GB in size. It's being used, unironically, as a style lora. Except worse, since you're also relying on it to not fuck up any visible nudity.
This isn't even hard to understand.

>>8078199
All true. Though be fair Animagine has more styles packed into it than you'd get in 6GBs worth of 10dim loras.

>>8078199
Except it's able to influence styles more than a lora, that's the whole fucking idea you fucking retarded insufferable autist.

>>8078193
>It needs more guidance than just controlnet.
Well, you can adjust the seed for img2img as well? Also no one's stopping you from using denoise lower than 1.0. The way you suggest to approach this negates the main benefit of refining which is speed.

>>8078203
incorrect

>>8078181
Never unless I do too many steps. With Pony frying is a damn near impossible unless you have a data set that isn't diverse or tagged poorly.

>>8078203
Stop using watered down civit trash.

>>8078203
correct

>>8078208
Loras can do everything right?

>>8078207
whats the step count for characters/styles?

>Thread in the refiner meme arc again
It's all so tiresome

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>tfw your dataset is so bad you can tell from the noise masks
I should just pay someone to draw me a character sheet and some 1girl standings.

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>>8078212
In my experience, for character specifically, between 1000 to 3,000 steps. I've had character Loras work well with a little as 900 though. It depends on how your data set is. If they have a diverse set of appearances like different hairstyles and different clothing then it might take longer for it to fully understand it. If there are parents is very generic and they only wear one set up clothing, then a thousand or less is fine.

Styles are a different story kind of because those can work well on as little as a few hundred steps or need fucking 10,000 in some cases. It all depends on how well pony understands the style and how well it can adjust. The closer it is to a generic anime style, the less steps it will need. If it is something unique and not generic anime or western cartoon stuff like pic rel, then it might need 5,000 or even 10,000. I know that sounds ridiculous but I've tested this countless times. Sample prompts and sample generations are your best friend.

>>8078199
>Except worse, since you're also relying on it to not fuck up any visible nudity.
So THIS is your retarded take after all.
No this is not true because it just does NOT work like that. If you switch at the right time, Animagine already has everything to not fuck up legs, feet, arms or anything like that because pony has already generated the anatomy part, Animagine only needs to add some smaller details.

>>8078216
Prodigy or fixed standard LR? I think it was 0.0001
Also depends on your net/conv alpha, network dropout and masked loss training that all slow learning to some degree.

>>8077980
did a quick bake for yaki_apple since it was the easiest to get images for, it probably needs a rebake with even more steps to get the style better.

the first version is up on my mega

>>8078214
There's nothing new under the sun.

>>8078217
I wasn't aware animagine could actually do genitalia and sex positions with visible nudity.

>>8078219
forgot to include preview

https://files.catbox.moe/8nu7tx.png

enjoy my totally original blue archive oc

>>8078191
nah :(

>>8078223
Well, you are now.

>>8078223
V3 was pretty bad at it, 3.1 handles basic pov stuff at least but dicks and pussies look a bit off imo.

>>8078219
nta but that's really nice, looks better than the original style

>>8078144
>There could be other explanations
That doesn't mean the theory is wrong though. To further prove it, we'll need to test not only what it explains, but whether what it predicts is true. In this case, the theory predicts that the detailed NLP captions will significantly improve lora's style capability over not using NLP, simple as that.

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>>8078218
For styles I typically use prodigy and set the unit lr and text encoder lr to 1. Net dim and alpha set to 32 (you CAN set it to 16-8 but I've had better results when the net dim was 32). In theory setting the net dim to 64 or higher will result in the Lora being able to understand a larger number of concepts (useful if you are training multiple characters, concepts, things, outfits, etc) but the downside is that the Lora Will balloon to something like half a gig in size. I only recommend doing that if your Lora has a fuck ton of different concepts or characters like this one

https://civitai.com/models/447945/wappah-style-and-characters-xl

Over 20 different characters so that probably the only justifiable reason your net dim should be set any higher than 32. If it's a singular style, leave it at 32. If it's a person with multiple outfits, 32. If the character only wears like one outfit and/or has a very generic looking anime appearance,, you can lower it to 16. Having a lower net dim will also mean you will have extra VRAM available which means you can set the batch size higher which means you can train it a bit faster.

Fun fact: The size of your data set can determine how much memory you use to. If the data set is gargantuan, like a few hundred pictures or even a thousand, the amount of storage and memory the latents will take up Will use up more memory (learn this the hard way when I config setup I used for a character lora worked fine but then when I did it on a style lora that had a giant data set I kept getting out of memory errors).

With all that being said if you train a style , you can do it on as little as 50 images, maybe even less. Using a couple hundred as fine too but I'd say anything over two or 300 is overkill and has diminishing returns.

>>8078232
Some anons tried putting (censored, mosaic censor, bar censor:1.5) in negs on Arti, maybe it is also applicable here?

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>revisit old prompts
>make schizo prompts
>make /e/ material
>sfw

If i'm prompting, it basically falls into one of these categories now. There's only so many sex positions you can do.

>>8078236
I was only talking about the alpha, not dim. At dim/alpha=1 it does nothing. Below it slows learning by some ratio, all the way down to alpha=1. As for the dim sizes, /hdg/ just can't ever seem to agree and I'm tired of arguing just to save a few gigs of drive space.

You can disable cache latents or cache them to disk, saves you a bunch of VRAM at the cost of speed. It's really hard to curate quality and tags with a giant dataset, that's probably why having more images doesn't add much.

>>8078245
>cache them to disk
this is the only sane option anon

>>8078245
Do you have an automatic image tagger?

>>8078219
>>8078224
Looking very good even for the first bake, but yeah it could use a rebake or smthn, tysm anon

>>8078248
Who doesn't. But they're all unreliable to some degree, and you won't go through hundreds of images manually even just to clean up their output. I use booruDatasetTagManager and clean up the obvious stuff, emoticons, meta tags, franchise tags, any characters pony doesn't recognize, etc.

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>>8078157
https://files.catbox.moe/lxfutb.png
picrel is the same prompt with the character name's weight increased. using wildcards like this seems to have an effect on innate character comprehension although i'm not sure if it's due to the wildcards themselves or just the style being stronger.
>>8078236
>Fun fact: The size of your data set can determine how much memory you use to. If the data set is gargantuan, like a few hundred pictures or even a thousand, the amount of storage and memory the latents will take up Will use up more memory (learn this the hard way when I config setup I used for a character lora worked fine but then when I did it on a style lora that had a giant data set I kept getting out of memory errors).
if you're using sd-scripts then there's a bug of some kind related to the distribution of images in buckets that causes increased vram consumption. a 2000 image dataset will use 8 gigs of vram and then a 1999 image dataset will use 10. the actual number of training images shouldn't have much or any influence.

How can I merge 2 or 3 style loras to create 1 in kohya ss?

>>8078207
>With Pony frying is a damn near impossible
only true if you know what you're doing. if you let jeets train then you get something like civitai where half of the style loras are fried