Title: Reijuu no Seifuku (隷従の制服)Brand: BISHOPRelease Date: 09/26/2025Previous BISHOP game thread: >>8522624
Second part of the BugBug article https://www.bugbug.news/b_game/224857/ - from the looks of it describing some of the women's route event's
I posted this in the previous thread but it was closed right after the post. I don`t know if anyone is interested in this information but i will post it again anyway just in case.Looking at this image i already know how the heroines routes will progress.CG 1-2-3: Defloration scene.CG 4: Single scene to progress the route.CG 5-6: This scene will be reused for the first retraining scene.CG 7: Single scene to progress the route.CG 8-9: This scene will be reused for the second retraining scene.CG 10-11: This scene will be reused for the third retraining scene.CG 12: Single scene to progress the route.CG 13-14-15: This scene is where the heroine body is already falling in pleasure but the mind still resist.CG 16-17-18: This scene is where the heroine completly fall in both body and mind and turn into a sex slave.CG 19: Single scene after the fall.CG 20-21-22: Normal ending scene.CG 23-24: First retraining scene.CG 25-26: Second retraining scene.CG 27-28: Third retraining scene.CG 29-30-31: Pregnant ending scene.
>>8713567So it looks like Kosuzu (helper heroine) will also help the protagonist on some of the scenes. Interesting. It's like Yakata all over again
Master Up Image!
>>8713567Yep, Sayoko is definitely "a little devil" (the term to describe 'cock-tease'). She regularly touches her male customers' groin area and even subtly touches their penis during her work. Of course, she is only doing this to get repeat male customers and to scam them since she actually hates males. Hotaru's brother is actually a stepsibling. She and her stepbrother got hit by a drunk truck driver one day (fortunately, they don't get isekai-ed). In the hospital, her stepmother forced the doctor to prioritize the care of her own biological son. So Hotaru only got subpar care from the doctor, hence why her injuries worsened and she was forced to retire from tennis because of it. Hearing this, Hotaru's father got really angry and immediately divorced her step mother. The MC is using this family scandal as blackmail material
>>8713567Continuing due to word limit...For Rion's Route, Kosuzu (helper heroine) subtly gave her a strong aphrodisiac perfume. Afterward, Kosuzu even groped her to make Rion even more turned on. Rion can't stand the extreme arousal and masturbates in the hotel room. I assume the MC used this as blackmail material afterward.As for Aira's, the article reveals little. Basically, there is one this incompetent male employee who keeps making mistakes. But Aira is still keeping him employed because he is the lover of the vice president (Aira and the current vice president have been friends since their university days, and they are both founders of their current travel agency company). The MC deduced that there is something more to it and sent Kosuzu to investigate further, believing this is the key to Aira's secret weakness.Also, it is mentioned that the MC used a lot of money and connections to gather all of this information and aphrodisiacs. So he must be rich.
>>8715177>he must be rich.Isn't that the norm for a Bishop MC?Even if they aren't rich at the beginning of the story, they usually end up with enough resources to support 5 pregnant female's at the end (if you go for the harem ending), which definitely isn't cheap...
>>8715193Nope, most BISHOP's MC are not rich. They are generally just students, teachers, janitors, etc. Many of them are even on the verge of being fired (hence the rape out of frustration). In some titles, they have supernatural power. Sometimes, it is mentioned in the harem ending that the heroines themselves are partly funding the harem lifestyle (either from working or from their family money).
>>8715223I think this could be the first MC from BISHOP that is wealthy since Ura Kyoushi's?
>>8715552The MC in the first Ingoku no Houkago is from a wealthy family.
Honestly, since it is mentioned that the MC will force the heroines to 'play out' the character of their fetish clothing (Bunny outfit, Nurse, Tour Guide, Hostess, Tennis, Bondage Slave, Shrine Maiden, Maid, High School Student Uniform, Dog, Nun, etc). I think this game has a much stronger 'cosplay' theme than usual. Then again, I believe that this is clear from the title.
>>8716452It just struck me, but do modern BISHOP games even have a single shrine maiden heroine? I know at least one from the older BISHOP (Kagami Era). Considering how this is a common fetish among the Japanese audience (and quite common in Eroge), it is somewhat unusual that shrine maiden heroines rarely appear in Modern BISHOP (or at least just in the outfit). After all, a shrine maiden is just perfect for "lewd corruption" in the choukyou genre.
Is there a reliable way I can pirate older games like KTJK or SNK?
>>8717174Closest I recall was Rihoko cosplaying as one in Medu Kyoushi 2.
>>8717174There's also Yukino from Gakuen 3. Well, not actually a miko but her clothes looks like one
Btw, what do you guys think about the sex slave contract symbol around the heroine's crotch area post-break? This is actually a staple for Miel Games ( you can see in this picture). Do you guys think it will work well for BISHOP's heroines in their post-break? (So all the scenes post break, including all the 'retraining scenes', would have the heroines having those symbols).
>>8717924Doubtful. BISHOP's style is more of a solemn vow style rather than applying a symbol.
BugBug will soon post another article about the BISHOP game. This time it is talking about the heroines training.
>>8718595I forgot to mention that BISHOP is also using their Blog to talk about the heroines and the trial will be released tomorrow.http://bishopdiary.blog35.fc2.com/blog-entry-329.html
>>8718595Thanks for this information. But how did you get this information (and that CG) so early?
>>8718609All websites in the internet have a server where they upload the files before making and releasing the actual webpage. Some websites like BugBug have a tendency to upload the files before they make and release the actual webpage, in this case if know how to search you can find the CG files in the server as long the website permits (it is not hacking or anything like that). BISHOP Official website on others hand is not possible to do this because they don`t allow access.
BISHOP already uploaded the trial version. If you don`t want to wait for the official download page update tomorrow here is the link http://www.lathercraft.net/items/2377
>>8718629I tried this trial and Aira's voice is missing. Does anyone else have the same issue?
>>8718621Wow, I appreciate both your knowledge and your dedication
>>8719045Yes, it was missing. But at the final part of the trial (after the opening movie), you can hear her voice there. I have to say, this trial is slightly longer than usual. And the quality of the writing has certainly improved.
>>8719777Continuing ....I feel that the heroines in this title are much prettier than in the last game (INGK2). I really like Rion's close-up sprite for some reason. And don't just discount Sayoko just because T-28, she is quite good. I think the writing has improved. Kosuzu (helper heroine) is more involved than most "helper heroines" in recent games (at least for the intro). I really appreciate that they've finally improved the "blackmail material" for the heroines. Usually, the MC just raped the heroines and then takes the picture post rape and uses it for blackmail material (pretty stupid to me, but people don't play nukige for the logic). Now the MC puts much more effort into finding the blackmail materials, actual material that can ruin their family and career, that was not just pictures of them post-rape by the MC. And it is possible because Kosuzu (the helper) is more involved in the story, both pretending to be a reporter and a web writer as a cover to investigate and approach the heroines. The trial is also slightly longer than usual, and Rion takes most of the screentime as the main heroine (and also Kosuzu to establish the plot, though it's still not clear why she believed the MC was her master in her past life). Even the MC felt she is reading too many manga when she proclaimed it.
As for the story, the MC inherited his love hotels from his father. (Hence, some of the sex scenes will, of course, be done in his own love hote)Years ago, his father wanted the MC to take over one day, but the MC hated the idea of working in the "adult" entertainment industry. They fought, and so he ran away. To further spite his father, he worked for an elite upscale hotel, the 'Souseikan' (yes, the hotel where the story now takes place). There he met Rion, still a college student at the time. She is so bright, pure, and starry-eyed, and wanted nothing more but to follow her father's footsteps as a hotelier (her grandfather is the president, and her father is now the general manager, and he is preparing her to be the vice general manager and she agreed to without question and worked very hard for it earnestly). Seeing this, the MC got very mixed feelings; he thought that Rion was admirable and beautiful like that, but now he is comparing her to himself, the son who rebelled and ran away from his father since he does not want to take over his hotel, compared to Rion, a very earnest daughter who shares the same dream with her father to become a hotelier and even worked hard for it, no drama whatsoever. Feeling insecure from this, deep inside, the MC wants to corrupt her and crush her dream, but he kept that feeling to himself, since his father eventually died not long after, and he had to take over his love hotels.He thought it was a pain, but he eventually got better at management. One day, he met Kosuzu, who claimed that she was his slave in their past life. This meeting eventually awakened his own desire to subjugate women. He remembered that he wanted to corrupt Rion at the time, so now he finally decided to act on this desire. Fortunately, back at Souseikan, Rion does not recognize him, so he is now there pretending to be a reporter who frequently visits the hotel for various interview (and Kosuzu as his junior). There, he also targets several women
>>8719806As for the other heroines : 1. Aira (Silver Hair) - Not much new information, unfortunately. She has 500.000 followers on social media. Since she is a workaholic, the MC wants to corrupt her to make her love sex and being a woman rather than working. 2. Hotaru (Red Hair) - Love macho men apparently, since she loves strong muscles. But she admitted that she may not like the personality of a macho man. The MC is not a macho man, obviously, but it is mentioned that his dick is very big. So she will fall in love with it instead.3. Sayoko (Purple Hair) - Yep, her pretend sweet girl and seductive personality were spot on. Glazing how manly the MC was. Even touched his groin area and caused an erection. Of course, she is only doing it for the money; you can see this picture for her true personality. She really hates men and the idea of having sex with them.
>>8719835>Since she is a workaholic, the MC wants to corrupt her to make her love sex and being a woman rather than working.Bro's doing a truly noble thing. Makes you actually sympathize with him.
>>8719876What a kind person, bro just want to help her relax.
I still think the BISHOP should stop doing 4 main + 1 sub heroines and instead do 4 main heroines only with more post break scenes. Maybe something like Mesu Kyoushi 4 where each heroine had two more scenes with two CGs on top the three retraining scenes or even better the the way they did on Shihai no Kyoudan 2 where each retraining scene had one extra CG.
>>8720088Bishop won't do it ... since, the sub herione thing had been an thing for quite a few years already, since we pretty much always had at least one female who had less cg scene's compared to the rest.The only change was that, it became much more obvious after Reijou Kanritou released.Since the japanese don't mind this state for about 5 year's already, I don't see how we could change anything about it.
>>8720111If you check the japanese forums and threads you will see that a lot of BISHOP japanese base have the same complain about the sub heroine taking scenes from the main heroines. The reason BISHOP keep doing this is because Mizushima do both the main heroine and the sub heroine, this way the others artists have to do less CGs and the game will be cheaper to make this way.
>>8720088>>8720111>>8720192It's not just that it's cheaper, or whether it's loved or hated by the fanbase, it also serves as a narrative clutch. A lot of the narrative structure and situations that most Bishop protags find themselves in require an inside man, someone who helping them from the shadows in order to succeed. This is at it's most obvious on the student games, where the side helper is usually a teacher, and she uses her authority to set up things for the protag in order to make his goals easier.
Btw, what translation software do you guys use? Textractor? Luna? Or something else?I know this is a bit off topic (considering this is a BISHOP Thread), but I tried the trial version of this game (it seems like a choukyou game involving a villainess), and I was surprised since neither Luna nor Textractor can get the correct hook. What is the best hook/translations nowadays, and what do you guys use for BISHOP games?
>>8720660I just use the machine TL patches from GreatVisualNovel.
>>8720660As someone who is working on a script decompiler for BISHOP, I can tell you that the best way to work on a script TL is to just extract it and apply the translation to the script lines and then recompile it again.Their engine is a fucking mess, I tell you.
>>8719806This makes me want to finish Rion's route first desu. Considering the MC returned to Souseikan originally just for her. Also, the MC is kind of a dick since this whole thing started just because he is jealous of Rion's good relationship with her father in their family's hotel business succession, while the MC fought his father and even ran away over theirs, hence why he wanted to crush her dream. (Yeah, I know this is a very weird thing to say considering all BISHOP MC are rapist, so of course they are all kind of a dick). Considering this is BISHOP however, I wonder if he will marry her and take over Souseikan instead (would not be the first time for the BISHOP protagonist to marry their rich slave to get the money and live a comfortable life).
>>8720759I love how this time around, the game actually teaches us about the fundamental core concept of sexual training (during Rion's first rape scene in this trial). Basically, the MC teaches us to ensure the heroines feel pleasure and climax from their rape. By doing this repeatedly, their brain will rewire itself and begin to associate their rape as pleasure (so now rape=pleasure in their brain), which is the biggest key to make them "fall". I am sure this information is particularly useful, LoL.
>>8720850This definitely needs a "Methods displayed in this media were performed by trained professionals. Do not attempt those at home, at your workplace, in public." disclaimer.
BugBug Article: https://www.bugbug.news/b_game/226143/
>>8721506This is the final feature BugBug article for this game, and this article also confirms that this title emphasizes cosplay significantly more than other BISHOP titles. And look, the return of piss play with Sayoko. I have to say , Sayoko design is the most MILF without actually being a MILF (BISHOP's Japanese audience demand virgin heroines after all). As the most bitchy heroine for this title, I think she will be the masochist of this game.
You know, I feel like the heroines being completely naked with their slave collars would be perfect for their epilogues from time to time. I think this is already perfect enough in symbolizing their roles as MC's sex slaves. Unfortunately, this has never happened before because BISHOP has long decided that 'naked and collared' is solely for the Harem Ending. Hence why BISHOP always gives one final custom in the heroine's epilogue to differentiate. Honestly, I would be fine with 'collared and naked' in their regular ending once in a while. Fetish clothing is not always necessary.
>>8721728I wonder if BISHOP would be willing to try "Corrupting Yuri Couple" as a theme in one of their game in the future. It could be done as NTR, but preferably, both girls would be trained to love cock with a threesome slave ending. I think this could replace the role of the helper side heroine because it takes two heroines to be a Yuri couple.
>>8721739They partially did that with Houkago 2. But that was long ago.
Now the only updates left will be the 10 days cooldown videos and maybe the last set of CG sample in the official website (1 more CG for each heroine and 1 harem CG).
>>8721739It could be great if both the yuri couples are misandrist. Actually, why stop there? Let's make an all-girl school filled with yuri couples, and all are misandrist. Because there is a non-choukyou eroge game with this similar concept (wasted potential, I know). Basically, the MC's dream in that game is to be a teacher, and he was happy when he was hired to be a teacher at his old high school. However, the school has been converted into an all-girl school without his knowledge, and some of the female teachers even taught them to hate men. Hence, he was badly treated there (and the existence of some yuri couples). Unfortunately, the game is non-choukyou, so it's a wasted potential in my opinion. In fact, it is quite vanilla, and the MC was basically solving and counseling the heroine's problem, which makes them hate men in the first place and become a couple afterward (like father issue & abusive, Mom was divorced due to cheating father, etc). I think a choukyou game would be much better for this concept.
>>8721739>>8721755There is actually a Lune game with a plot like that.
I was envisioning a plot in which the MC holds a grudge towards Tiger moms due to traumatic experiences with his, and the main heroine is a helper of his who also hates her mother for the same reasons.Wish I could see that.
From this BugBug page looks like this scene with Hotaru naked is where she fall and vows to become the protagonist slave.
>>8721960Tbh, I really like the idea. But 'moms' are rare in BISHOP (hence why Kazoku does not have a sequel). Throughout the years, BISHOP has cultivated a niche fan base that only wants virgin heroines. Think about it, even titles with older heroines like this game and CnS2, all the heroines are not only virgins, but also never dated a single man before (usually using "too passionate with their job to date" as an excuse). Even Sayoko in this picture, you can clearly see she has a MILF body type and overall looks, but she is a virgin like the rest of the cast (she is a misandrist as an excuse this time, though). Also, a helper heroine can't be the main heroine because the main heroine is supposed to be your main target you have to break (not already cooperating from the start)That said, I really like the idea that you have to corrupt certain heroines first before you can corrupt the other one, like the "Final Boss Heroine" concept. There is this game (either from Lilith or Liquid, I forgot) where a woman hires the MC to corrupt a bunch of heroines so she can sell them as 'merchandise'. However, if you choose all the correct options during the breaking of all the heroines, you can betray your employer by setting up a trap and then break her as well, using all the heroines you have already broken as helpers. So now you can keep all of them as your sex slaves. Unfortunately, it does not feel like a "Final Boss Heroine" because her training is rather short (the devs probably think the game has already ended at that point). Still, it might be interesting in a game that has a powerful Queen-like Final Boss Main Heroine. And to train her, you have to break all her subordinates/lackeys first (by the usual rape, of course), so they pledge loyalty to the MC and betray the queen character. Finally, the queen is trained and broken with all her former subordinates together to be the MC Harem Sex Slaves. But I doubt BISHOP will use this concept.
Anyone know if there is a way to make the background of Lunatranslator where the text is displayed transparent?
>>8722685I'm fully aware that BISHOP is unlikely to try it because they already have a niche, but still, I'm glad you like the idea.Partially this is why I feel Anju from KTJK felt so wasted. She had all the credentials to be the slutty heroine. But one day. One day...
>>8718629i keep getting a message saying "the operation was canceled by the user.path: [< current dir>]exe: [.\demo.exe]" whenever i try clicking the game start option, does anyone know what it could be and how to solve it?
>>8723096Try to run as administrator and see if your antivirus program is not interfering.
I just wish BISHOP would make a game where the MC breaks the protagonist and turns her into a Gyaru or a dark-skinned bimbo. But it would be nice if BISHOP included more dark-skinned Gyarus in their games.
>>8723204Not gonna happen. BISHOP's niche is always the heroine is still able to function normally in society. She's just become horny slave in private times with MC.BTW, official site says the trial has been fixed
>>8723466Ehhh, I would say this is not fully universal. If you look at KTJK 1 and KTJK 2, even the black-haired heroine in INGK1, there are clearly exceptions to this rule. Also, being a Gyaru does not mean that they can no longer function normally in society.
>>8723204Ah yes, Gyaru (black-tanned or not), it is indeed weird how extremely rare they are in BISHOP, considering how popular this character archetype is nowadays. And by that I meant True Gyarus, not the half-baked ones we usually get. But like I have mentioned before in the previous thread, I've always wanted the heroines to have different appearances 'post-break'. Like dress more revealingly, or for this title at least, make Aira have her hair down 'post-break' as a sign of acceptance of her feminine self. But considering BISHOP never truly does this in recent games, something even further like a Gyaru transformation seems impossible. Btw, with all these samples coming out, this title now ranks 3rd in Total Accumulated Reservation Sales in Getchu for all upcoming games (Reservation Sales because the game is not out yet). It is quite an achievement, as you can see in this picture. However, this is the best it can get. There is no way anyone can beat either Yuzusoft (helps make VN mainstream in the west) or Amakano 3 (revolutionize the genre) .
The closest thing to a dark skin gyaru 'bitch' that Bishop made was Anna. Especially in this outfit. I wish they would explore this theme more in future games, either by adding a dark skin character or making the heroine transform into one. Anna in this outfit is stunning.
>>8723930I still say BISHOP needs to give something slightly outside the niche. Gyaru, slutty teacher, more MILFs... that they no longer give the heroines pastel pink lingerie...
Imo, Bishop won't make any drastic changes, unless they get the impression that it will actually improve their games sells.Basically they are trying to see how the sells react, when they add some small changes to their formula, and it's only when they notice (from their after game release enquirers) that it has a positive reception they might evolve it further. Like for example the heart shaped pupils that the female's get in Bishop's recent games, usually in the after break cg's.If it goes wrong, they go back to the standard schoolgirl formula to recuperate their income - at least that's how I see Bishop operating when it comes to adding "new stuff".
>>8724145Eroge studios typically create a subsidiary brand when they want to try a new formula, similar to Guilty, Girl's Software, Atelier, etc. They did try to create a subsidiary brand called 'BISHOP Royal' a decade ago, and it was discontinued with just 1 game, so most probably that game was not successful. That brand was intended to focus on the Nobility/Aristocracy formula with appropriate nobility/high-society clothing and bondage tools back in the day, instead of the usual modern-day school setting of the main brand (hence the name: BISHOP "Royal"). The first game was about a fallen noble house being sold into slavery to pay off the debt.Otherwise, they won't take a lot of risk with their main brand unless their main formula starts to fail ("If it's not broken, don't fix it" mentalityy). Creating a new brand like this, however, will require them to hire a brand new team so they don't hurt the schedule of the main brand. With the current state of the dying industry (due to Gacha, bad global economy, dying population, and censorship laws), it is very unlikely
>>8720850I'm pretty sure the protagonist of Night Shift Nurses says the same thing. That game was a mega-hit and basically kickstarted the entire "sex slave training" genre into a fever(´probably because it was way more simple than other simulation games), everyone knows the conventions of it. The remake was released last year, so maybe people have forgotten and this refreshed the writer's minds.
This game is just one week away from being released. So, which heroine is your favorite? Both in terms of their character design and cosplay outfits, and their personality/route direction (based on the information we have so far)
>>8724654Hotaru. Bullying a tomboy with a brother complex will feel very good.
>>8724654Aira. She fulfills my businesswoman fetish.
>>8724654Aira. Always had a weak spot for silver-haired characters.
>>8724654Rion. Plain girls usually become the horniest, and this outfit, especially that chain necklace actually strapped to her nips
>>8724654Rion's outfits looks nice but making Aira into a real woman also looks appealing to me. Rion>Aira>Hotaru>Sayoko
Hotaru is my favorite by far for multiple reasons. First i like short haired sports heroines, second i think her voice actor is a good fit for her and third her scenes looks pretty good.Rion will probably be the second, she is the standard heroine but Mizushima art is pretty good.Aira to be honest at some point was very close to be the first. I like her style with silver hair and pony tail but i think the CGs quality of the artists who made her is worse than in the previous titles.Sayoko looks better than i antecipated but still a T28 heroine and i never really liked T28 style.Kosuzu looks okay i guess. She is a sub with less CGs and is already a slave from the beggining.
>>8725014Yes indeed, when BISHOP described their Main Heroine as "Pure" and "Innocent", you can already tell she is going to be the horniest. Additionally, Rion's own route description from the BugBug article is very telling. Describing how the MC is pleasantly surprised by how good Rion is in maintaining her composure despite repeated training. Hence, he vowed to give her the most intense climax repeatedly to make sure she falls into depravity. As you can see in the picture, the MC is using several vibrators at once, all already covered with a strong aphrodisiac, with the intent to change her body irreversibly to lewdness by giving her the most intense pleasure. For me, Sayoko and Aira are competing for second place. I know that not many people here love T-28 arts, but considering how I can confidently speculate that her route is about turning this misandrist woman into a masochist (from her customs), I think her route has great potential.
>>8725181where did you find that cg?
>>8720660Death unto AI and all who publish games with it.
>>8725391http://bishopdiary.blog35.fc2.com/
>>8724654Hotaru has the sexiest outfits in my opinion while Rion's route could end up in a perverted marriage ending since she is a foil to the protagonist.
Where can I actually buy BISHOP games?
>>8722084Most of the time, either the second or third last outfit from this picture will be used for the scene where the heroine "falls". Then again, there are exceptions to this.
>>8726720Yes, for this example, Aira's "fall" scene will likely use the pink babydoll lingerie (third from the right). You can see in this picture that the MC has even prepared a camera to record her vow. Using the same logic, Rion's "fall scene" would likely be the maid outfit and the shrine maiden outfit for Sayaoko's. There are exceptions to this rule, though (like in INGK 2). However, it is almost certain that the second outfit from the right would usually be the epilogue ending (thus naked apron for Sayako's as an example), and the final outfit is for the pregnant ending epilogue.
>>8720088As I mentioned, I think BISHOP should consider experimenting and adding a Yuri couple, where they are trained together in one of their future games. Mizushima always draws 2 heroines anyway (both the main heroine and the sub heroine), so let Mizushima draw this Yuri couple. This will solve the sub-heroine problem, as they both will be considered as main heroines, which also reduces the amount of individual CG that needs to be created by Mizushima, since both heroines will be trained and corrupted together in all of their scenes, including the 3P ending.
>>8727571They could do this if they were going for the threesome game like Sanshan Mendan was, but I don't see them going back to that mold.
Game has been leaked already https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/4390978
>>8729750I have not tried it, buy usually you need to wait for CRACK.
>>8729980At least in my case, this one worked without one,
Savegame in case someone needs to see all scenes without dunping their time into ithttp://seiya-saiga.com/game/bishop/reijuunoseifuku.html
I'm pleasantly surprised. I've just started the game, about 2 scenes into each, but Sayoko's scenes and writing are by far my #1 in this game. The intro gives that sweet mom feel with the MILF looks, but then gives you the deep satisfaction of dominating a misandrist.
>>8729988Ok, I have tried it and it worked just fine.Also, the entire CG is now available on Hitomi.la for those who don't mind to get spoiled.
>>8720676does the ai still fuck up the genders
>>8731764Yeah it does. It's one of the largest unsolved problems in contextual to non-contextual machine translation.
Playing this game blind, I must say it's very obvious Sayoko is made by an different ( and inferior artist). She looks 240p compared to the other heroines.
>>8731786good to know, was hoping that it couldve evolved to fix that by now, its one of the things that takes me out of immersion
any idea what "eye-catches" mean?
>>8732547Transitions
>>8732562so what's the difference between screen transition effect and eye-catches?
>>8732572I think those are the cut outs to ejaculations from another angle usually not seen at first in the broader cgs. I could be wrong, though.
>>8731853Modern Bishop games utilize multiple artists, resulting in varying quality of character designs (sometimes by a significant margin). Sayoko is drawn T-28, the main artist for Miel games. That said, while Sayoko is not the best in terms of art design, I don't think she is that bad. Sure, her purple hair color is not doing her any good, but I think she is still the best T-28's character for BISHOP so far. Also, I love the fact that when the MC wants Sayoko to beg to be his slave, she accuses the MC of 'reading too many manga' for it.
I think i figured out what my problem is with modern BISHOP harem stuff...no lesbianism.There earlier stuff the harem has the girls getting rather hot and heavy with playing with each other, but now it's not as hot with them focusing on the MC.
A lot of people don't like T-28 art in BISHOP, but I think she's the best to date, especially with this smug expression. With the scene where she pretends to be a dom, the artist, VA and writer definitely cooked
Well, some of my predictions are wrong. Turns out the biggest masochist of the game is Aira, not Sayoko. And I feel she is arguably the sluttiest of all the heroines post-break precisely because of this added masochistic side (then again, Aira already masturbates every day before meeting the MC). I want to write something more, but I think it will be considered as spoilers for those who have not finished the game. But I will say this, for me, this game is definitely better than the last two. I love the heroines better. And while this game largely follows the same formula of the franchise, they did make significant changes with the retraining scenes by making them cosplay sex. By making the heroines play out the characters of their outfits, the retraining scenes become more unique and more distinct and less repetitive.
I'm really liking Chijoku Seifuku
So, a week has passed since the release. What do you guys think of the game?
>>8736944I think this was a pretty good. Probably not as good as IGH where every heroine was solid, but pretty good.. Rion and Sayoko were pretty damn great. Rion's fall scene in particular was pretty close to Mafuyu's in IGH and the story about giving up her goals for that dick was intensely satisfying. As said earlier, Sayoko might not have the best art, but the scenes were hot, her character was satisfying to watch get dominated, and the VA killed it.Kosuzu is a bit of a mixed bag. She simultaneously feels like one of those pre-trained sub heroines, but also not. Ironically I think her best scene was her first, where she just seems like this crazy girl that just straight up offers her body to this otherwise random guy the same day she first meets him. Her "fall" scene had a pretty nice outfit, but felt so awkward to "enslave" a girl that has already submitted.I feel like Hotaru and Aira are a bit weaker by comparison. Maybe the outfits were not that hot for me, and the MC's approach to breaking them in feels a bit weak. The name of the game is "The Uniform of Slavery", but it feels like neither really fulfill that namesake.
holy shit this might be my new favorite CG>sourceSansha Mendan
>>8737847I'm pretty sure that CG is an homage to Night Shift Nurses. Hirasaka first meets Ren also staring at flowers.
>>8737847Man, if this is your first time you're in for a ride. I wish I could erase my memories from eroge playing so I could replay the games all over again with a fresh eye.
>>8736944ok, I'm feeling conflicted with Rion's route. On one hand, she's got the short end of the stick. Her life is pretty much ruined in the ending, don't like thatOn the other hand, her post break scene is amazing even after the scene. She's successfully made me dried out with her voice that wants more
>>8737928I mean, the protagonist pretty much says he hates how she is happy inheriting her father's legacy while he is deeply unhappy
>>8737112Well, the "uniform" part refers to the cosplay outfits, ranging from the heroines' professional jobs (businesswoman, spa worker, sports instructor) to their fetish cosplay outfits (shrine maiden, maid, bunny outfit, dominatrix, etc.). Granted, only in the retraining scenes do they actually play out the characters of their fetish outfit. But this is a relatively new concept for BISHOP, and I think unique enough to differentiate itself; otherwise, this game would be CnS3.
>>8737928Technically, she still has the same job, but now works for the MC's hotel instead (and lives in his home) after being disinherited by her angry father. Sure, her family hotel is on a completely different level (elite international hotel complexes), so I do feel MC is being kind of a dick doing that just because he is jealous.
>>8737978also the MC is pretty loaded, so it's not like she's not being taken care of
>>8737928I kind of agree, but her route is the average BISHOP experience. Either way, we all owe an apology to T-28 because Sayoko is clearly this title's best girl.
>>8738749Remember that the one who write the story, background, personality of the heroine is not the artist. Her route was good but the quality of the CG is the worst by far. Just imagine if the same scenes were made by Akagi Rio instead of T-28. The difference would be huge.In my opinion if we consider only the quality of the artist Kurono > Mizushima > Yoshino > T-28. Kurono is improving each game, Mizushima is always solid, Yoshino in this game is not as good as previous games for some reason and T-28 is just what we expect from a main Miel artist that do a lot of low budged games.
Btw, do you guys think that BISHOP can make good non-rape choukyou games? This is a legitimate question because rape games in general are facing pushback lately, be it from credit card companies, censorship laws (even in Japan), etc. So there is a possibility that BISHOP, Guilty, Liquid, and other rape games developers have to change their genre. Then again, non-rape choukyou is not really new. Basically, just train/mold the girls into massive nympho perverts (as usual) but without rape (also consensual slavery). There are many ways to do this, be it a teacher training their overtly naive female students with sex as teaching method, heroines being in a bad situation (like running away from home and willing to 'compensate' the MC for his help; Tomefure is a good example of this), or MC and heroines being in a 'forced' relationship (and the MC mold the heroine to be more willing and impregnate her for 'hentai plot' reason like 'tradition').But my favourite would be 'sex games competition'. Basically, the MC and heroines will try to make each other cum hard, including ambushing and outsmarting them in each round. The game has several rounds over several days/weeks, and the loser will be the winner's sex slave.There is an old game for this, but I've forgotten its name. And it feels like 'choukyou' because the heroines are bitchy, misandrist, queen-like dominatrix, and arrogant (so turning them into sex slaves by winning the bet is 'fun'). Also, the heroines are pretty strong and win several rounds themselves, especially the first few rounds, so the MC has to use his brain and outsmart them to beat the heroines in their respective routes. So there is some femdom element, but these are proofs that the heroines are strong and menacing in their own right and can fight back, so corrupting them feels even sweeter in the end. While rape games from BISHOP, Guilty, etc, feel very one-sided after the blackmail, where the heroine can't really fight back.
>>8739000>So there is a possibility that BISHOP, Guilty, Liquid, and other rape games developers have to change their genre.Not sure about Bishop and Liquid, but Guilty also produces vanilla games, also it's Dash sub-brand was at first mainly focusing on consensual vanilla games, so they'll be probably fine, even though their main cash flow is still Toriko games, alongside with Nightmare series. Besides, they still got a number of non-motion Toriko titles, which can be pretty much used for added revenue with their Motion releases, since they won't be introducing any new rape content.
>>8738749>>8737978>>8737941What I mean is, why is she the only one that got it really bad while everyone else is (arguably) end up better.Either make everyone happy or make everyone (except Kozusu ofc) suffer.
>>8739895Well, Rion's route was all about corrupting her values because the MC was jealous of her career path. It sucks, but he still lets Rion live with him while taking care of her in a way.If you want a BISHOP title where the heroines got a happy outcome despite being sex slaves to the main character, Shinshoku or the first Shihai no Kyoudan are there for you.
>>8739895Rion is the main heroine of the game. Generally speaking, their fate may be more distinct than the rest of the cast.This is because 'main heroines' are usually tied to the main plot of the story. Usually, they are also the main reason why the MC started his rape-conquest in the first place (hence why they are the first ones to be raped). Their fate can be 'better' or 'worse', and it's highly dependent on the main story plot of the game. For example, in BISHOP games where the MC's main motivation was personal vendetta against the main heroine's family, their fate is usually 'worse' (though the main heroines will still be happy to be his sex slave).That said, Rion's ending also surprised me. My prediction was that the MC would marry her so he could take over her family's hotel (he is already a hotelier himself, after all). In the more recent modern BISHOP games, the MC usually marries the main heroine more than half the time (Shinshoku, CnS2, INGK1, Kyousei, etc). Even in Kagami-Era BISHOP, if the heroines' families are wealthy, the MC usually marries them so he can get their money, or blackmails them (to avoid 'family scandal') so the MC can also get their money. After all, isn't that the dream of life of BISHOP's MC? Being wealthy so he can have a lot of sex with his sex slave without worrying about money? So I am quite sure that the MC would marry Rion to get her family's money. But I guess the MC of this game is already somewhat wealthy himself, so this usual 'tradition' doesn't apply.
>>8739590You know, in BISHOP, Liquid, and Guilty games, the devs usually told us that the heroines are 'strong', so it is worth the effort to corrupt them and turn these strong heroines into obedient sex slaves (though some titles don't really advertise the heroines as 'strong'). But these heroines rarely fight back after the initial "blackmail" or "trap", so we can't really get the full impression of it.This is why I think the plot of 'High Stake Bet with Sex Battle" is uniquely good because you can see the heroines fighting back and even being very competitive about it. I understand that some people will not enjoy femdom scenes (where the MC is dominated by the heroine instead) in their choukyou games. But what's a better way to drive the point home that these heroines are 'strong'/'Queenlike' and mean business? To me, it makes taming the heroines feel even sweeter in the end.
>>8740018Oh, and especially if the heroines are misandrist, arrogant, and were like: "there is no way any male and their pathetic cock can make me feel good!". Until the MC finally dominates her completely and stains them with his color as they cum hard unintelligibly.
Of the Bishop games that have mindbreak in them, are there any of them that start off with the protagonist already having feelings for the heroines? Like, the MC actually loves the girls before they fuck them? Usually the MCs in these games are edgelord rapists that don't get feelings for the girls until after they've raped them. I guess that incest one would count as one example. Any others, though?
>>8742316Shinshoku with Mishio, Sarina (MC admires them) and Yumeka (MC has a good relationship with her before he starts with the rape).
>>8742316Tbh, the MC being 'betrayed' (misunderstanding or not) by the girl he 'likes' is a common plot device for BISHOP games (INGK1, INGK2, Houkagou 3, KTJK1, etc). Those girls are usually the main heroines, and this plot device is used as the main reason the MC started his raping spree. Otherwise, there are childhood friend heroines who actually have feeling for the MC.
>>8742316Not really, I'd even argue that cases like this anon >>8743645 puts forth are not really love, since even with a janky translation, you can tell their relationships with the girls in question, they're more about possessiveness than feelings. A lot of the times it'll be a relationship that happened for political reasons, like the arranged marriage scenario from INGK1, They're more angry than heartbroken about "Their" grilfriends betraying them.Which makes sense, you wanna make a game about a dude that's gonna rape women because he's designated them as his future devoted sex slaves, you cannot have that quality appear from thin air, like batman's Joker being the result of "one bad day" as a lot of the batman fanbase has, for an example. So that quality has to be there under the surface from the beginning, and if that's there then there's really no room for real love in Bishop protagonists hearts since in order to really love someone you have to respect them first, and the absolutely last thing a man will treat as an equal is a cumsock. And that's the average man, Bishop protags are worse than average for obvious reasons.
>>8743655>and the absolutely last thing a man will treat as an equal is a cumsockThat depends on if the girls in question are also equally as perverted as the MCs, such that they enjoy all the sex. Which is a typical heroine archtype in these games too - the closet pervert heroine who doesn't realize that she's actually a big pervert until the MC shows her how she is. But I guess in a way that's less of a mindbreaking and more about helping someone come to terms with their own sexuality. But that's something I find interesting about these scenarios. And it's why I think I'd like an MC that isn't so edgey rapist and more of a "I like you, and I know you're a massive perv like me, and I'm gonna make you realize it."
To be honest i did not like this game much. I think it would be awesome if BISHOP make a game using both the school concept they like and some fantasy concept for example. A world where exist humans, elves, beastkin, angels and demons and they were at war but at some point they made peace and now there is a school academy where all races attend. The human race would be in a position where they are the lowest in ranking after the war and the protagonist would be a human and the heroines would be the princess of each race and of course they will hate humans and make the protagonist life miserable in the academy making him want to get revenge. Something along these lines.Being more realist through i would like a game like INGK1 where the protagonist have some kind of special power in the sperm again.
>>8744084It sounds like what you want in an entirely different game altogether. Only Bishop game that would fit your criteria is Hime Dorei, and that's a game without elves or beast girls, without a school setting, and that's almost 20 years old by now. It does feature Princess Rape, so there's that at least.
>>8744260I don`t expect BISHOP to do anything like that and thats why i said "being more realist"... in the end of the post.
>>8744084I'll take a fantasy setting school if it gets us out of the same old school uniforms and other assorted school clothing for the nth time.
I think a fantasy theme can work well in a BISHOP game, especially if it's isekai.The typical plot of an otaku who is reincarnated with a magic cock and creates a harem of sex slaves in an academy or adventurer's guild. It's something that's been done many times in web novels and hentai manga.Some of you often comment that the only attempt at a fantasy game from BISHOP (Hime Dorei) was a flop, but it was also a bit of an odd game compared to what they usually do, because it included stuff like monster birth and tentacle rape.
>>8744852Fucking no, I agree that a fantasy setting Bishop game would be cool, but fucking no to the isekai harem bullshit plot. That's Miel tier garbage.
>>8744872To be fair, the best-selling Nukige titles EVER are from Milk-Factory, and their games are about the classic isekai academy school plot. So it's really about production value and overall direction. For me, a fantasy setting or not could work well for BISHOP. But I prefer if the MC has supernatural power (like in INGK, KTJK, etc). I think it is more humiliating for the heroines this way and less repetitive if the MC has power. I just wish the MC would take his sweet time in revealing his power or simply not at all,
>>8744852I'll take fantasy, but isekai in particular I'd rather without. The market's already satured with that kind of thing. Give us the fantasy world where the protagonist is a person that originates from that world, rather than someone from our reality that got truck'd into a fantasy world. The Funbag Fantasy games get this perfectly. Which is why that series has been going for years now.
And also, if you want the MC to have a Bishop style cheat ability without using isekai as a prop for that, you can say the protagonist entered into a blood pact with a succubus or something. Which also creates the perfect wingman heroine that Bishop games love to do.
>>8745284Speaking of power, do you guys think Mind Control/Hypno (Saimin) can be a good plot device for BISHOP? There are many ways to do this Saimin genre; some are more successful than others, from planted subconscious suggestion triggers (for example, the heroine will get increasingly horny every time the MC claps his hand), memory manipulation & gaslighting (for example, the MC 'gives' the heroines hardcore porn and sex toys and then make her belief that she has always been a pervert who use them everyday), or simple instant induction, body control, etc. In a way, KTJK has a slight saimin element as well, since the MC can control their body against their will (even to masturbate in class).
I finished the game, and personally, I didn’t think it was very good. The only protagonist who actually had good character development was Rion. The rest was just more of the same.From the latest games since 2023, the best ones in my opinion were INGK1 and Kyousei Shihai, which at least had some plot progression.This one was just more of the same, unfortunately. I think Bishop is getting too comfortable with their games and keeps delivering the same thing. Sadly, the Japanese audience doesn’t seem to notice it.
>>8749695Well, we already had something similar with the Kutsujoku series, where the MC had a power to take control of another persons bodies, but the target still remained conscious. While, mind control might fit Bishop's theme of turning someone into you're slave, I don't think it fits the second theme that Bishop games have, which is drawing out the female's 'hidden pervertdness' and making her consciously become the MC slave.
>>8749695I've dropped hypnosis works because there's really not much depth to them when hypnosis is the ultimate, easy mode, "I win" button without the heroines even able to put up an actual resistance.
Hypnosis as "make you feel Horn is anything. Making a woman do something pretty embarassing or like masturbating on public or confessing to you is another. Watching this kind of bullying is hilarious.
>>8750060I already mentioned KTJK. Also, I don't think "hidden perversion" is universal in BISHOP games, but corrupting them (and turning them into a massive pervert) is always the goal. And there are so many ways to do this with hypnosis/saimin. Be it from making them feel horny every time she is in class (to the point she is forced to masturbate discreetly), forcing her to dream about being raped by the MC every night during their sleep, making them can' stop thinking about the MC's dick, forcing her to watch degrading porn and getting off from it every night and many others. Just like the anon above me said, this kind of bullying is very fun indeed.For example, there is this one game where the bitchy heroine is forced with hypnosis to have dreams about being raped by the MC every time she sleeps. After a while, the heroine became very afraid to go to sleep because of this. When the MC sees this (that the heroine is losing sleep), not only is she now forced to sleep every night, but also to masturbate during sleep when she dreams of being raped by the MC. So she wakes up every morning soaking wet with her fingers still in her pussy. Slowly reprogramming her mind. So it is structured not as an instant "I win" mode, but to maximise the heroine's humiliation with very fun bullying.
>>8751056Oh, and the heroine even physically retaliates against the MC, saying, "You did something to me, fix it now!". So it's not like heroine has no resistance. The MC, of course, was feigning ignorance, forcing her to tell him about her humiliating dreams. After the heroine revealed her dream with much humiliation, the MC then gaslighted her further, saying, "Oh, you must have a secret crush on me this whole time!", and "Isn't it pathetic that the girl who acts all high and mighty secretly wants to be raped?". This level of gaslighting and bullying is indeed hilarious.
>>8749695The problem with Mind control as a plot device, is that it's more than often just used like >>8750080 said, just an "I win" button, and it's understandable why it became what it is, it's a really easy way to make lewd doujins, you have 20 pages to get people fucking in them, how are you gonna accomplish it? spend 5-6 of those pages establishing a relationship between both people that leads to hanky panky? or just use 1 page describing the protagonist being a dork who gets a mind control maguffin, and move on with your day.Outside of being sadistic for sadism sake, which is what people don't like about the Kutsujoku series to begin with, there's no reason at all to prolong hypno/mind control. which is precisely what you've described in >>8751056 and >>8751060 which is not bad in and of itself, but once again, sadism for sadism sake.There's only one game series that has done hypno/mind control right, and that is Saimin Yuugi and the sequel Saimin Embu, where the entire point is portraying hypnosis with some degree of realism, in that you slowly, over many sessions with your victims, have to erode barriers and implant suggestions so that they can become your willing sex toys, and if you push too hard? the girl wakes up and starts screaming because you got her to open her shirt under hypnosis and you pushed too hard to see some titties. Bad ending. This is the only example of mind control done right I have ever found, everything else straddles the line of "excuse to get to fucking as soon as possible" to "I'm gonna make girls do stupid shit like streak across the school naked because I masturbate to the control I have over them more than the actual nude woman"It's like watching Gundam, everything is either UC stuff where they keep bringing Amuro to fight Char, or it's just Gundam Wing all over again while they pretend to sell it to you in a brand new shinny package.
>>8751070It is understandable why short doujin or cheaper games would take shortcuts in the hypno/saimin genre due to their limited content/length. But BISHOP is considered a "full" nukige (even if not the longest). So technically, they can make a proper 'full' saimin route for each heroine. Also, the problem with KTJK is not "sadistic just sadism's sake". But because for the first time, BISHOP did not use the "happy break" for the heroine's ending. This is Bishop's main niche in the industry, so changing it caused anger among the fanbase. The mind break in KTJK (especially KTJK 1) is more literal, and the heroines continued to be miserable instead of the classic "happy break".
>>8750606>Watching this kind of bullying is hilarious.that's kind of the point for some people
