So did the Holocaust happen or not, I don't know who to trust.
>>16537485Trust only what you can experience with your own senses.
>>16537485Here are a few reasons why people give for not believing in the Holocaust:-The 1939 Soviet census over counted the number of Jews (under ethnicity) and Russians by 3.7%.-The 1931 Polish census used estimates (based on birthrates) for the growth of the Jewish (under faith) population from the 1921 census even though a large number of Jews emigrated (100,000 per year from emigration documents) out of Poland during the interwar (mostly after 1933) period.-The Jewish American yearbook uses census data from the 1939 Soviet census and 1931 Polish census so can't be accurate on the number of Jews that died.-All the death camps are in the soviet sphere of control and weren't investigated by the red cross or the western powers.-The western camps were originally said to be death camps(by Jews who were interned there) but once investigated(by the western allies) were shown to not be so.-Soviets deported Jews to Siberia in the interwar period and during and after WW2.-The camps that were investigated by the red cross or the western powers showed that the people interned died due to typhus. Which the Nazi Government said the people interned died from.-Zyklon B poisoning turns the body red, it does not emaciate it like typhus. And no red bodies were ever recorded.-The photos of emaciated people from the camps show only people from the western camps not the eastern death camps. There are no photos of victims in the eastern death camps.-There was no direct order to liquidate Jews.-Jews were more likely to become partisans so, would have died at a higher percentage compared to other partisan groups. Also partisans wear civilian clothing so, knowing who is a civilian or not is up for debate. 1/3
>>16537491-The gas chamber door(In Auschwitz) is made out of wood and the chamber had glass windows which would have been a problem for gassing.-No autopsies done on victims of Zyklon B.-The autopsies done by the soviets on victims of Carbon Monoxide poisoning was not properly carried out with proper testing.-The six million number was already estimated before the camps were investigated.-The physics on the number of people who died in the gas chambers and the number of people cremated is not possible.-The crematoria used could only process a few bodies a day.-The portable crematoria, shrunken heads, masturbation machines, shotguns in walls, babies getting thrown for Germans to shoot like discus, lamp shades etc.. are all fake but were presented at Nuremberg as evidence. And some of the camps officially have a lower number of victims now compared to beforehand.-The British cracked the German encryption code during the war without the Nazis knowing this fact there was not one single report regarding the progress of the holocaust communicated from the SS to Heinrich Himmler or Heydrich. -Many famous Holocaust writers are known fakes. And the testimony from victims were imprecise, few in number and in some cases couldn’t be physically possible so, could be seen as unreliable.-The confessions from Nazi personnel were arrived through torture and arrived years later in countries where it is illegal to question the holocaust.2/3
>>16537496-The estimation of 900k Jews at Treblinka is assuming 100% capacity and 100% efficiency the whole time which is 900k. Anyone with any real world experience outside of academia understands how 100% utilization and 100% capacity and 0% downtime is a work of fiction only people with zero working experience can accept.-The holes on the roof (of the alleged gas chambers) to drop the cyanide were added after the war by the Soviets according to interviews of Auschwitz staff members in the 1980s.-In Treblinka the time to cremate bodies multiplied by the running time of the camp doesn't equal the amount of Jews supposedly killed.-The Russians counted tens of thousands of Jews in Berlin when they got there.-After 1945 the USSR placed prohibitions on Jews being allowed to contact anyone outside of the USSR. This also coincided with the USSR classifying Judaism as a religion and shutting down Jewish Orgs, and no longer recording Jewish as an ethnicity (so atheist Jews are not counted as Jewish), and Yiddish was no longer an accepted language for government. Basically the USSR made their Jews invisible. A strange heel-turn given how pro-Jewish the USSR was prior, but it makes sense if they were trying to preserve the holocaust narrative. -The Nuremberg trials are unreliable as evidence because of the documented torture of Nazi officials where they were offered plea deals if they "admitted" to doing the said "atrocities". The trials also presume guilt for the whole operation (The "atrocities" and "conspiracy of aggression" was taken as judicial notice in the trial; individuals were simply judged for their part in these things prima facie assumed to have happened).There are a lot of other reasons but, this is what I could think from the top of my head. 3/3
>>16537496I don't know if the original door was wood or not, but why would a wood door even be such a problem for gassing crowds of people in a large room? That shit's still going to be deadly inside, and not such a huge problem outside even if some leaks out and you're not huffing it.If you're making moonshine, you have to cut a small hole in the container so it doesn't explode, and that doesn't ruin the process.This is all assuming the original doors even were wooden.
>>16537485I think it's a safe assumption the Nazis killed a lot of people.
>>16537491First two are already lies. >-The 1931 Polish census used estimates Census isn't based on estimates. Do you even know what you're talking about?
>>16537500The only way the Soviet union could be described as pro-jewish is because they stopped the pogroms. Their anti religious laws targeted Jewish communities, and Stalin was famous for being anti semitic. After WW2 there are tons of famous anti Jewish policies.
The profit motive is what propelled this Europhobic blood libel.
>>16537485I don't believe the death rates were anywhere 6 million, that makes no sense considering there were 6 million jews in europe at the time and a lot of them were hiding in walls and shit.I do believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Nazis wanted to ethnically cleanse them and as apart of that protocol they created camps to gradually exterminate them (because what the fuck else were they going to do to a group of people they want killed off?). It was called the FINAL solution. Nazis knew exile wouldn't work because they knew throughout history that didn't work in other nations that exiled the jewsBut no, it wasn't 6 million and I hate the media for highballing the number. Would 100k with plans for more really be that much less atrocious? Also, I believe reparation's were a mistake. Maybe a small initial grant (for less than a year) for documented survivors to get back on their feet but other than that you have to just let the past be the past.
>>16537485Nah.
>>16537563For jews it was estimated.
>>16537614six millions were the total number of death in concentration camps, and most of them were not jews. my grandfather ended up in one and he was catholic.
>>16537551really? I dont think so, they seem to be the least bloodthirsty of all the major powers having made the most peace offers, diplomatic overtures, and were generally the least likely to target civilians or neutral countries.
>>16537619>some retarded overdramatic faggot on twitter thinks you are crazy to not think hitler was the most evil man EVARRR>this means he didn't try to ethnically cleanse Germany of jewsAnon
>>16537646The holocaust has become a religion. Not only has it become a religion, it is on top of this a false religion.If a holocaust is necessary to prevent Gaza, then so be it.
>>16537643So what do you have to say about people who deny that 6 million people died in nazi concentration camps? What did hitler mean when he spoke about the final solution to the jewish question?
>>16537651So what you're saying the holocaust didn't happen but it SHOULD happen?
>>16537652>what did the final solution meanexactly what it means today? a liberation from jewish control by removing the jewish mafia from positions of power.
>>16537644The Nazis invaded like eleven neutral countries. I think the British invaded one. But what makes me believe it more is the Nazis had no problem killing their own people, so why would they care about killing others?
>>16537655And what were the specifics of said solution? Remember, throughout history, exile didn't work.
>>16537485Yes it did. Deniers don't read primary sources
>>16537644>This post was brought to you by the intellectually dishonest gang.
>>16537614>I do believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Nazis wanted to ethnically cleanse themRight, and so did the Zionists. They wanted every person who identified as a Jew to leave Europe and go to Palestine. That's why they had the Haavara Agreement between the Nazi and Palestinian regimes.The word "exterminate" doesn't always mean "kill," but it can also mean "to drive from one's borders." This subtle detail is often kept carefully hidden in atrocity propaganda.
>>16537672something something wish the holocaust was real
>>16537568Written by a Goy with no Jewish background
>>16537718>slingshotted jews to walls looney tunes stylewritten by a jewish "holocaust survivor"
i think people might believe holocaust claims if the jews weren't so retarded and clearly exaggerating, the fact that they released all of their claims to the public unfiltered discredited them as the lying cheats they are to the point that even the shit that you could believe becomes tainted with skepticism, add to that ridiculously bloated numbers, impossible in those areas executions etc eyebrow raisers and only a parrot would say holocaust was realonly reason west didn't give a shit about the claims being bullshit was because they wanted to make sure national socialism stays dead and buried
>>16537491I always think of what would happen if you applied this sort of standard to other historical events. Like Herodotus exaggerated the size of the Persian army therefore the greco-persian wars are a myth.
>>16537689>The Zionists are bad and killing palestinians so that means the Nazis are good and weren't killing jews!Anon.... >>16537759There are North Korean refugees who wildly exaggerate the atrocities they witnessed in their borders. Does that mean that North Korea oppression of their own citizens is fake and that everyone who leaves North Korea is lying about just how bad it really is?
>>16537794read rameses story of his heroic victory, that story is outright bullshit and more accurate comparison, he rushed in before his troops could catch up, got saved by his troops, pulled out of the combat and then ran home to play victory trumpet over his great victory>>16537817>if people exaggerate and lie does that mean that they were lying about everythingit does not but it does make you lose credibility on anything you say after you've gotten caught lying, this is a basic concept for people who aren't jewish but i'm sure they will one day get it
>>16537838>Some people lie>this means everyone loses accountabilityAnon if one woman lies about getting raped does that mean all rape victims are liars?
>>16537842>bunch of jews lie to get reparations>start to question their claims>math doesn't add up>survivor testimonies don't add up>retarded tier made up looney tunes executions>"b-but some of them might've been telling the truth!"blame the one telling tall tales for shekels for the fact that no one trusts their claims
if a bunch of black people made up alternative history that americans were slingshotting them to the walls, got reparations for those and smeared american government would it matter if some of them were actually executed after that fact that they got paid over bullshit and kept doing it?
>>16537794Well Holocaust denialist/ revisionist don't deny the fact that Jews died by the Nazi Government. What they believe is Nazi Germany's "Final Solution" was aimed only at deporting Jews from the territory of the Third Reich and did not include extermination. That the Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers for the mass murder of Jews. That the actual number of Jews died is significantly lower than six million. That the Jews were not especially targeted (for being Jewish) for murder by the Nazi Government. That the Holocaust narrative is a hoax perpetrated by the Allies, Israel and the Soviet Union.
>>16537485Just go on /pol/ and ask the same question. You will soon find out.
>>16537817>The Zionists are bad and killing palestinians so that means the Nazis are good and weren't killing jews!The Nazis were subverted and funded by zionists, yes. After everything was over, they made atrocity propaganda to cover up their own involvement in this. They just wanted blame everything on regular Germans or Europeans generally and have tried to spread the guilt to Christians generally including in the United States, although they are a gnostic cult that was behind all of this from start to finish in actuality.These days, there is a lawless mafia-like outfit with B'nai brith as its mafia front organization and we need to have something like the Maxi Trials, only ten times bigger, to root out this cultish criminal network. They are stealing untold amounts of resources through lies and deceit and no one ever elected them or consented to it. They are criminals, a crime organization like the Mafia.
>>16537867So the Nazis were funded by the Jews, so why the fuck does 4 chan worship hitler and Nazis when they were literal pawns for the jews?
The truth does not fear investigation
The NSDAP and their allies systematically murdered millions of innocent Jewish, Polish, Slavic, and Romani people. Whether the death toll of Jews in particular was closer to 5 million or closer to 7 million can certainly be debated, because precisely quantifying large scale genocides is tedious work (look at Rwanda, or the Armenian Holocaust, and how estimates vary in those cases). Regardless, the fact that it happened, and that there were millions of innocent victims, is not up for debate. The evidence is simply insurmountable (including many excavations). Any posts to the contrary are spam from retards, and are worthy of derision, at best.>Human Remains (AKA 'SHOW US DA BONEZ!')https://rentry.org/xo475https://rentry.org/xrsh6https://rentry.org/tnbhmhttps://postimg.cc/gallery/P8xR8wF>Footage, Documentation, and Other Primary Sourceshttps://rentry.org/fh5eohttps://rentry.org/boqt7>Crematoriahttps://rentry.org/yz5cqhttps://rentry.org/5tpnh>Operation Reinhardhttps://rentry.org/3ngvc9>Goebbels' Diaryhttps://rentry.org/hmskog>George S. Patton & The Holocausthttps://rentry.org/2b8nqk>Winston Churchill & The Holocausthttps://rentry.org/o9ekw>Holocaust Research Projecthttps://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/>Encyclopedia of Camps & Ghettos Under The Third Reichhttps://www.ushmm.org/online/camps-ghettos-download/EncyclopediaVol-I_PartA.pdfhttps://www.ushmm.org/online/camps-ghettos-download/EncyclopediaVol-I_PartB.pdfhttps://www.ushmm.org/online/camps-ghettos-download/USHMM_Vol%202_PartA.pdfhttps://www.ushmm.org/online/camps-ghettos-download/USHMM_Vol%202_PartB.pdfhttps://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/USHMM-Encyclopedia-Camps-Ghettos-Vol-III.pdf>>16537485 >>16537488 >>16537491 >>16537496 >>16537500 >>16537529 >>16537551 >>16537563 >>16537568 >>16537578 >>16537582 >>16537583 >>16537614 >>16537619 >>16537633 >>16537643 >>16537644 >>16537646 >>16537651 >>16537880
>>16537872hitler was a pawn of the german government until shit went sideways and he was forced to step up to lead the party, his government sent him to spy on the labor movement due to its growing popularity and when they offered to make him orator the government said go for itnot sure about being funded by jews but there were big companies that supported nazis and worked with them, hugo boss, volkswagen etc come to mind, it wasn't until churchill that people started to have problems with hitler as a leader and that beef pretty much escalated to ww2it got so bad that the allies bedded soviet union to stop hitler, not sure what his goal was after he was going to re-unify the german people but he was a decorated war veteran that used to be loyal to weimar germany
most of this board would have been black triangles
The NSDAP and their allies systematically murdered millions of innocent Jewish, Polish, Slavic, and Romani people. Whether the death toll of Jews in particular was closer to 5 million or closer to 7 million can certainly be debated, because precisely quantifying large scale genocides is tedious work (look at Rwanda, or the Armenian Holocaust, and how estimates vary in those cases). Regardless, the fact that it happened, and that there were millions of innocent victims, is not up for debate. The evidence is simply insurmountable (including many excavations). Any posts to the contrary are spam from retards, and are worthy of derision, at best.>Human Remains (AKA 'SHOW US DA BONEZ!')https://rentry.org/xo475https://rentry.org/xrsh6https://rentry.org/tnbhmhttps://postimg.cc/gallery/P8xR8wF>Footage, Documentation, and Other Primary Sourceshttps://rentry.org/fh5eohttps://rentry.org/boqt7>Crematoriahttps://rentry.org/yz5cqhttps://rentry.org/5tpnh>Operation Reinhardhttps://rentry.org/3ngvc9>Goebbels' Diaryhttps://rentry.org/hmskog>George S. Patton & The Holocausthttps://rentry.org/2b8nqk>Winston Churchill & The Holocausthttps://rentry.org/o9ekw>Holocaust Research Projecthttps://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/>Encyclopedia of Camps & Ghettos Under The Third Reichhttps://www.ushmm.org/online/camps-ghettos-download/EncyclopediaVol-I_PartA.pdfhttps://www.ushmm.org/online/camps-ghettos-download/EncyclopediaVol-I_PartB.pdfhttps://www.ushmm.org/online/camps-ghettos-download/USHMM_Vol%202_PartA.pdfhttps://www.ushmm.org/online/camps-ghettos-download/USHMM_Vol%202_PartB.pdfhttps://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/USHMM-Encyclopedia-Camps-Ghettos-Vol-III.pdf>>16537652 >>16537654 >>16537655 >>16537661 >>16537663 >>16537672 >>16537681 >>16537689 >>16537701 >>16537718 >>16537738 >>16537759 >>16537794 >>16537817 >>16537838 >>16537842 >>16537846 >>16537849 >>16537856 >>16537859 >>16537865 >>16537867 >>16537875 >>16537872 >>16537892
>>16537872The people who identify as Jews aren't what they claim to be in reality. They are not related to the Biblical group. We should get that straight first.The reason why Nazism still gets promoted is the same reason why Bolshevism does. They are both two wings of the same Hegelian dialectic created by Moses Hess and Karl Marx in the 19th century. In reality, both are subverted. It's like any situation where the mass media attempts to present two choices as the only options. It's a Hegelian dialectic. If they get you thinking the way they want, asking the questions they want and going into one of two pre-planned positions, then they don't have to worry about the answers you or anyone comes to. Both of those views are opposed to freedom, however; therefore both of those positions can be viewed as authoritarian and "extremist" if you like. They are both equally wrong, just as Marx and Hess were both wrong.
>>16537902>systematically murdered millions of innocentanon if you have a rifle on hand you're not an innocent, if you die in a poorly supplied camp you weren't systematically murdered you just got shit out of luck that the supplies weren't getting through
>>16537902>>16537891Kek cry harder jewYou are pure evil.
>>16537892So you're basically saying that if you hate jews you should also hate hitler since he basically co opted modern jewish issues and the rise of zionism? Shouldn't people who are anti Semitic then by that logic also be anti nazi?
>>16537919>Shouldn't people who are anti SemiticI don't have anything against Arabs.
>>16537915Oh I agree jewish circumcision is disgusting. What is worse is how it became American tradition for non jews thanks to purity cucks like john harvey kellogg. No fucking way would non jews circumcise their children because a jew told them too. It was the 1800s, people were still based and hating jews was the status quo.
>>16537898(You) would be given a pink triangle.
>>16537925Ok, anti jew then mr semantics. then again, its weird you don't have anything against arabs but theres an overwhelming overlap between people screaming about white erasure due to the influx of Muslim immigrants and jewish hatred
>>16537909So the holocaust wasnt about the extermination of religious jews but rather jews who were actually commies who hid behind the label of the jewish faith?
>>16537919he basically took the jewish formula of nepotism and copied it into social mobility for german people etc accepted people, his aryan race thing was literally what "jews" have been doing for years he turned their own weapon into pro european nepotism machineif his objective was to get rid of the jews he sure sucked at it as a dictator for life, his issue was more with the wealthy and jews were just a convenient scapegoat, his rise to power was through allying with communist party then duking it out with them to grab powerso hitler basically was at the same time against the rich elite while he worked with them, against jews but for whatever reason sucked at killing them, against communists though working with stalin for a time and for the government until the government fucked up so bad he had to take chargehe pretty much prolonged germanys swing into communism by his national socialism thing and thanks to him nothing of the original supposed goals were successful, he didn't get rid of the rich, jews nor did he unify the german people, all he managed to do was fight off communism and put germany into debt after getting ass loads of germans killed
>>16537943So uh... Why do people in the modern day like hitler again?
>>16537952because they bought the image he projected and under his rule germany was better off that weimar republic, if churchill hadn't been so anal about getting elected that he started to take a piss on appeasement we would have avoided ww2hitler by himself was well liked leader before churchills vendetta and you can write a book on churchill and why he's a fucking dick
all i'm saying is that if it was hitlers goal to genocide the jews then he as a dictator for life and as a total ruler was very very bad at killing them, his goal sure as hell wasn't to get rid of the ridiculously wealthy as his socialism stuff would imply since he worked with them
>>16537934>Ok, anti jew then mr semantics.Like I said before, people who identify as Jews today aren't related to the Biblical Jews. It's one of the first lies they tell.In reality, what I'm against is a bizarre gnostic cult that has created a mafia-like organization in my country and promotes bizarre lies, trying to redefine language to fit itself. What I'm opposed to is this ideology.It seems to be some kind of satanism or gnostic heresy, and it claims to be the belief system of "Jews." But this system has nothing to do with any part of the Bible. It follows something written much later called the Talmud instead, which has gnostic references in it.>theres an overwhelming overlap between people screaming about white erasure due to the influx of Muslim immigrants and jewish hatredTo my understanding, this is because people have started to identify the cause of problems, but thus far many of them haven't undone all of the mental subversion that has been inflicted on them unfairly, in order to clearly understand what's actually going on. They are still subverted partially by the lies that they were told, such as still believing the lie about those who identify as "Jews," without seeing clearly what the Bible actually says about all this.Of course, the real solution will be when the Lord returns. Until then we are required to resist the devil's attempts to mislead and deceive. It's the ideology itself that I'm opposed to, and my goal here is to see them renounce their lies and admit the truth. I think that would be great.
>>16537978If the Jews today arent at all related to biblical jews, then who is to say the christians today are related to biblical christians?
>>16537942The conflict was largely between two factions, the zionists and the bolsheviks. During the Haavara Agreement, 1933-1939, most of the zionists left. Those that remained behind were bolsheviks, and the zionists instigated a war in order to persecute them, then later blamed it on Europeans and absolved themselves, when they had funded all of it.
>>16537891Nope.>human remainsnot proof of murder, also that is not even 1/200th of the number you claim LOL.>footagenothing of gas chambers or systemic murder.>crematoriaeveryone had these.>Operation Reinhardmoving people out of frontline cities, wheres the murder?>Goebbel's diarydoesnt mention any murder of jews, only removing jews from their parasitic positions and how much he hates how they abused Germany.>PattonWhy doesnt he think there was a systemic extermination?>Churchillsee above, he did not consider anything resembling the holocaust to have taken place.>holocaust researchnonsensical.>camps and ghettosnot systemic murder.The holocaust is a fiction.200k jews died due to malnutrition, jews as they always do lied about it.Still waiting on proof for 40 beheaded babies that literally hundreds of jews claimed to have seen personally.Oh right, these people are notorious for exaggerating small things and selling 'perspective' like their trading ancestors did.Give me a single reason to adopt the frankly absurd story about some inefficient attempt at murder over the much more reasonable explanation of>mass imprisonment of hostile social elements>malnutrition and disease due to supply shortage leading to prisoners perishingWhy should we believe the holocaust fiction over this far more rational explanation?over 50% of the testimonies from jews at Nuremberg were categorized as unreliable.literally no actual evidence anyone was gassed.
>>16537997>race privilegesomeone wake up trailer park bob, he's going to be thrilled to hear this
>>16537672Based
allies charged einsatzgruppen with 200kthen like 20 years later "muh gorillion"Hoss, said 3.5 and 1million due to starvationanyone that died refused to get their picture taken to protext sex offender rabbis, rabbis that dumped dead cows in the street for zionism, rabbis that mutilated boys and girls private parts, rabbis that dig under the street to jewish bathouses, etc nothing to do with ethnicityjus hateful peoplei had one scream at me for 7 years about aushwitz, when his family was reportedly sent to treblinka, just an awful stuck up group of people generally
>>16537867Is this true?
>>16537619>apolitical
>>16537485Arjuna is a fucking beast in the Mahabharata
>>16538852>i had one scream at me for 7 years about aushwitz, when his family was reportedly sent to treblinka, just an awful stuck up group of people generallyAverage empathy and social awareness of a Holocaust denier. Yeah, the people you're talking to are the assholes. You were just questioning the narrative, and this awful stuck-up person whose family was affected disagreed with you. Allow all criticism to wash off you without taking hold, because you know that you're right.
>>16537978>people who identify as Jews today aren't related to the Biblical JewsSo those people shouldn't be blamed for the death of Christ, right?
Yeah yeah sure died of illnesses blah blah blah.I have yet to read a revisionist explanation of what happened to the entire family of my neighbour after they were taken away.
>>16540389If it was sickness, it was an epidemics with one hell of a mortality rate.
>>16537485who cares why did it ever matter lolrandom faggots were getting cleaned out all over the place
>>16540047The reason why Christ died and rose again the third day is because of mens' sins, regardless of who they are.
