>Using the tools of textual criticism, we can be sure from vocabulary, style, syntax and rhetorical devices used that multiple authors wrote the OT and not Moses.>ABSOLUTELY OMG HERE HERE TAKE MY GOLD GOOD SIR, THE BIBLE IS FAKE AND GAY!!!!!>Using the tools of textual criticism, we can be sure from vocabulary, style, syntax and rhetorical devices used that an uneducated lower class Englishman did not write the works commonly attributed to William Shakespeare>MOOOODS MOODS GET THIS BORUGOISE CLASS BIGGOT OUT OF HERE AAAAAAAAAA IM GOING INSANE AAHHHHH!!!!!!!!Why are they like this?
It's not the same.
>>16547408OP the idea of non-Mosaic authorship by multiple authors was first developed by Christian scholars.
>>16547423HOW?
>>16547563NTA but the Documentary Hypothesis isn't fundamentally based on differences in vocabulary, style, syntax, etc. It's based on narrative contradictions in the stories in the Torah. When you divide up the text based on narrative contradictions and narrative through-lines for each hypothetical source THEN you can see differences in vocabulary, style, and syntax that distinguish the sources.A better analogy for your OP would be the Pauline epistles not thought to have really been written by Paul.
>>16547586The issue that something that we have evidence for and is literally so implausible only an utter retard would believe it, that those plays were written by a nobody with no education, is vehemently defended and if you question it you're a foul elitist. But the Moses stuff is based on wild speculation but is taken seriously. There are a hundred and one different theories on it because its so weak.
>>16547595Listen OP I don't know the first thing about your Shakespeare theory.But the "Moses stuff" is not based on wild speculation. That Moses did not write the Torah is a very firmly established fact based on the texts.For one, Moses's death is narrated in Deuteronomy. At minimum he could not have written that. Also there are references to the author that suggest they are writing in Canaan, which Moses never entered.The contradictions I mentioned earlier also firmly establishes that there are multiple authors, and that the Torah underwent some editing to reach it's current form.What is more speculative is the particular way the Torah was put together to reach it's final form, as the only evidence we have is the text itself and the earliest texts we have are hundreds of years after when the Torah was written.It's called the Documentary Hypothesis because it's a hypothesis. Scholars recognize that the theory cannot yet be verified, and it's possible we may never have the data necessary to do that.
>>16547595https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_ShakespeareAlthough no attendance records for the period survive, most biographers agree that Shakespeare was probably educated at the King's New School in Stratford,[19][20][21] a free school chartered in 1553,[22] about a quarter-mile (400 m) from his home. Grammar schools varied in quality during the Elizabethan era, but grammar school curricula were largely similar: the basic Latin text was standardised by royal decree,[23][24] and the school would have provided an intensive education in grammar based upon Latin classical authors.[25]He was probably not uneducated, nor was an elite education necessary to be a great writer. This is very much a class bias that assumes someone with a basic education in grammar and drama could not turn that talent to writing, which they very much could. its not like Shakespeare was regarded as high art at the time. His plays had many puns and crude jokes that fly over the heads of people who don't know Elizabethan English, and some of his play plots were pretty clearly lifted from earlier works.
>>16547617>He was probably not uneducated, nor was an elite education necessary to be a great writer. This is very much a class bias that assumes someone with a basic education in grammar and drama could not turn that talent to writing, which they very much could.Absurd reddit drivel, citing Wikipedia as usual.
>>16547635I mean OP you have cited zero sources or made textual arguments for Shakespeare not being the author.wiki ain't a good source except for generally what scholars agree on a topic, but citing wiki is a grade above posting a meme.
>>16547650>However, Justice Wilberforce continued, “The evidence in favor of Shakespeare’s authorship is quantitatively slight. It rests positively, in the main, on the explicit statements in the First Folio of 1623”—the collection of Shakespeare’s plays, which turns 400 this year—”and on continuous tradition; negatively on the lack of any challenge to this ascription at the time” of the First Folio’s publication. Furthermore, the justice found, “There are a number of difficulties in the way of the traditional ascription … a number of known facts which are difficult to reconcile.”>For instance, when Shakespeare died, he left detailed instructions for the distribution of his assets but mentioned no poems, plays or manuscripts of any kind. At his death, only half of the plays had been published. Did he have no concern for their preservation? Why didn’t he say anything in his will about his poems—several major narrative poems, 154 sonnets? “[S]o far from these difficulties tending to diminish with time, the intensive search of the nineteenth century has widened the evidentiary gulf between William Shakespeare the man, and the author of the plays,” noted the justice.
>>16547650>In 2023, questioning an expert’s authority feels exceedingly uncomfortable. It puts people in mind of COVID deniers and other bad actors who have weaponized “just asking questions.” We’re generally better off trusting experts. At the same time, it remains true that authorities aren’t always right. Geologists ridiculed Alfred Wegener’s theory of continental drift for decades before fully accepting it. Historians insisted that Thomas Jefferson didn’t father children by his slave Sally Hemings—until DNA evidence proved that he did.>Academia is vulnerable to groupthink, a phenomenon of social psychology in which a group maintains cohesion by agreeing not to question unproven core assumptions and excluding anyone who deviates from group doctrine. Scholars seek approval from leaders in their fields—department chairs, journal editors, peer reviewers. They fear rejection. These dynamics encourage conformity. Though Shakespeare scholars have interpretive differences, they adhere to a fundamental set of common beliefs, their core belief being the traditional theory of authorship.
>>16547586NTA but the Documentary Hypothesis has been BTFO since the late 70s and no serious academic pretends there's still a consensus
>>16547794The Documentary Hypothesis still has the most support out of any other theory and my point still stands:Mosaic authorship has long been debunked and nearly every scholar agrees that there are multiple authors. What is in dispute is how the Torah as we know it today was put together specifically. A single author, let alone Moses, has absolutely zero support.A single author who is Moses is debunked by this verse alone:5 And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said. 6 He buried him[a] in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is.Deuteronomy 34:5-6
>>16547683>In 2023, questioning an expert’s authority feels exceedingly uncomfortable. It puts people in mind of COVID deniersI stopped reading there.
>>16547833>A single author who is Moses is debunked by this verse alone:Insisting that Moses wrote only a small part or none of the Pentateuch is not the same as making an exception for the last chapter which is considered an epilogue, and it is pretty intellectually questionable to attempt to equivocate between these positions.
>>16547408>moses died in the old testament>...but he kept on writing to own the libs
>>16547661Who are you quoting? What qualifies a judge to perform textual analysis ? Can you point to a single professional in this field who agrees with you?
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>>16548783So the answer to my question is "No". I'm also going to assume you cannot speak Elizabethan English in original pronunciation and thus are in no more position to have an opinion on this than you are on Sanskrit writings
>>16547408shakespeare didn't write a holy book also he was shitting out plays for the elizabethan theatergoers in london, it's accepted that he had collaborators that he needed to use to get all of it out on time
>>16549119Holy fuck go suck a dick
>>16549150Insulting me will not make your position less stupid.
>>16547794There is absolutely a consensus that the Pentateuch is the result of multiple hands. The common alternative to the DH is that the prior source was supplemented with new compositions, rather than imagining several prior sources. You won't find any serious scholars espousing Mosaic authorshipRead Idan Dershowitz's two books, and you will be realize just how synthetic the Tanakh is.
>>16549172That wasn't me kek. But your smarmy insufferable reddit post proves the meme and means I win anyway. Not that you'd have the social intelligence understand why.
>>16547903but having two interwoven and contradictory flood stories, two versions of the ten commandments, two names (yhwh and elohim) for gawd, all neatly correlated i.e. partitioning the text the same way, now those do point to multiple authors.
>>16549649>two names (yhwh and elohim) for gawdto be clear, both Y and E refer to God as Yahweh, the difference is that in E God isn't know as Yahweh until he appears to Moses.
