>>16548256
They are taught that America is the awesome good guy of modern history, both in their education and subconsciously through American media

>>16548256
Because America propped up their golden age (1960s-1980s) with burgerbux. They also realized that American occupation > Soviet occupation in hindsight.

Because America rebuilt Japan's economy and provided Japan with a different and more peaceful path towards world domination, which is anime

>>16548256
Japan started it, plus America is probably the kindest and most generous power after victory that has ever existed in human history. I don't remember any other state flooding their former enemy with money and investment to rebuild their economy after defeating them. Same reason Germans don't hold a grudge against the US

>>16548256
Great PR.

"These were free-thinking individuals making their decisions and actions independantly as free men who value their sovereignty....and yours"

So long as that sells
Shit - it still has me sold.
How true this all is... I can't speak. I have a fence metric for establishing how fucked a nation is. There are fences everywhere where I live. Possession is the name of the game here. In America, outside of the cities - didn't see that many. But then again - it is a big landmass.

>>16548264
>>16548266
>>16548293
Why were Germany, Japan, and South Korea such incredible success stories of US military imtervention and stewardship, but Vietnam and all of our Middle East endeavors were such catastrophic failures? Germany and Japan you could say they were just already industrialized nations, so that helped provide a good base to turn them around and get them both a good track quicker, but what about South Korea? Was it a fluke, were circumstances different, or did we do something special there that we failed to replicate in later interventions? Also are there any books on this exact subject? I feel like successful US intervention in the first half of the 20th century followed by one failure after another in the second half would be a way more popular retrosepctive subject than it is.

>>16548514
The question is "to what extent does the population accept the rule of the external force."

South Vietnam never existed, it was a fake American-made government from day one, and it never enjoyed widely accepted legitimacy or popular support.

Same exact thing in Afghanistan.

During World War II, Japanese civilians fought on tropical islands eating human flesh as military rations. Within a few decades after the United States dropped nuclear bombs, they became the world's second largest economy. Japanese lived better after a defeat than before the war.

A rare example in human history.

>>16548256
They got off easy with the nukes

You guys are all swallowing your Offical US Freedom pills I see.

Good boys! Very good! Now give 20% of your income to the DoD. No, we do not care if you are struggling to pay your bills and staring down an eviction notice due to wartime inflation. Grow a V garden or something. Not our problem, we are defending you.

>>16548256
This isn't a simple question and Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't an isolated incident.
You first have to start with Emperor Hirohito and his imperial ambitions. After getting back from studying in Europe and visiting Taiwan but before his accession, an assassination attempt was made on his life by a communist. (think about who else at this time hated communists)
As he came into office, Japan was facing a financial crisis and the military was taking up more and more power within the government - legally and extralegally, and Hirohito had to put down an almost rebellion by some military officers. The entire brass of the Japanese military was unhinged at this point. The US is also being expansionist and that plays a role in Japan's attitude towards the world.
Japanese citizens are not blind to any of this.

>>16548629
Some imperial expansion and a hop and a skip later, Japan is 80% reliant on US oil and also moving into Southern Indochina to attack British Malaya. Roosevelt freezes all Japanese assets in the US and cuts off their supply to oil. Japan then bombs pearl harbor and the emperor has to make this plea to the citizens that US is now the bad guy and fuck the US.
Again, Japanese citizens are not blind to this. They may choose blind patriotism, they may realize the unholy shitstorm that is happening, it doesn't matter either way.
Shit happens, Japan soldiers leave Japan to die in lands they newly controlled then don't control. Tokyo gets firebombed. Over 100,000 people die and over 1,000,000 people lose their homes. Japan still refuses to surrender and the US shows the world that they also can create a sun. Japan may or may not try to surrender under more agreeable terms for them. The US drops another sun. Japan surrenders unconditionally and the emperor loses his power under the new constitution the US creates.
There's some Yakuza problems for a few decades and suddenly, with US overwatch and this sick new constitution, Japanese life is 1000x better and they're mostly autonomous.

>>16548631
The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were planned in the same meeting. You are falling for the propoganda.

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>>16548256
The Japanese population didn't get the draconian response they expected out of the Americans, and it was more swift than than the firebombings over Tokyo

>>16548256
They were conquered OP. America conquered Japan and forced it into the new globalist, neoliberal order. This was done with military occupation and brainwashing in education/media.

Japanese society/culture went underground and remains there, awaiting a brave hero who will gather the people into one nation when the American Empire falls. Easily, within 100 years. Possibly within 25.

>>16548514
>but what about South Korea?
It was a former Japanese colony that the Japanese had intended on making a core part of their country and invested accordingly.
There was a development of infrastructure, business experience, organization, and most importantly, a sizable administration on a scale not found in any of the other cases.
And even South Korea looked like a dubious prospect for its first decade. The US didn't initially consider it something worthy of defending, and mulled pulling out troops into the 1970s, which ironically lit a fire under the South Korean government to somewhat clean up its act and show results.
Sources I've used include
"State-Directed Development_ Political Power and Industrialization in the Global Periphery"
>There were some 10,000 officials in the Japanese-Korean government in 1910; by 1937 this number had reached 87,552. More than half of these government officials in 1937, or 52,270, were Japanese. Contrast this with the French in Vietnam (where, by the way, the presence of the French was already more significant than, say, that of the British in Nigeria), who ruled a colony of similar size with some 3,000 Frenchmen;
"Race to the Swift:State and Finance in Korean Industrialization"
"Korea's Place in the Sun: A Modern History."
>Of ninety-three Koreans on a partial listing of the North’s Industry and Engineering Federation in 1950, thirty-five had more than five years of experience, all with former Japanese industries. Japanese technicians who did not flee were also used throughout the economy
>From 1935 to 1945 Korea began its industrial revolution, with many of the usual characteristics: the uprooting of peasants from the land, the emergence of a working class, urbanization, and population mobility. It is just that in Korea the process was telescoped,

>>16548256
america is really present in pop culture and also has a lot of influence over Japan. The older gen usually is more crititcal towards the US while the younger ones are almost completely americanized and love the USA and shit.

>>16548874
>It was a former Japanese colony that the Japanese had intended on making a core part of their country and invested accordingly.
I had somehow never even remotely considered this, but it’s an incredibly obvious aspect of the situation now that you’ve pointed it out.
>From 1935 to 1945 Korea began its industrial revolution, with many of the usual characteristics
The full extent of my knowledge of Korea’s industrialization was like, one twenty minute youtube video I watched years ago, and it presented it as thought industrialization didn’t even really start until after the Korean War.

So is there really just zero way to reform a country through military intervention and stewardship without it either already being industrialized, or going in and industrializing it?

>>16548256
Because deep down they know that shit was justified.

>>16549077
Wow, not one iota of self-criticism in that little brain of yours is there?

>>16548256
america killed more people with the tokyo firebombing than the atomic bombings, the atomic bombings gave the japanese the excuse they needed to surrender
that and the golden voice broadcast
the japanese chiefs of staff planned to kidnap the emperor and carry on a guerilla war even after the atomic bombings

>>16549099
Holy shit you are dumb

>>16549075
>prewar industrialization
Was high, especially for its overall income level.
>the textile industry also recorded significant growth...share of its output in the total (14 percent)...employment of over 20 percent of the work force in Korea by 1937.
>Korea was the most important hydroelectricity producer in the empire; its hydroelectric capacity was more than 50 percent of the empire total.
>Some of the chemical factories, particularly those making fertilizer, were comparable to the best in the world, and larger in scale than those in Japan. The Chosen Nitrogen Fertilizer Plant in Hamhung was the second largest in the world.
>We do notice something uncannily similiar about the colonial experience and the later industrialization-the type of state and its role in the economy; the state's relationship to business, especially the conglomerates; the financial mechanisms peculiar to Japanese development, then, and Korean development, now

>>16548256
deracinated people under occupation
and they were bugs so it's easier to force them to conform

Cause the nukes didn't really do that much damage, really. The weapons were shocking because of how much destruction only 2 bombs caused, and the threat of dropping more like them. The actual amount of dead from them wasn't staggering, though. The fire bombing of Tokyo killed far more people than both nukes put together, and caused worse devastation by far.

The thing people don't understand about the nukes is that they also didn't "poison the land", both cities were safe to inhabit within a week since both bombs were air-bursts. They didn't contain very much radioactive material, and it was vaporized in the explosion, so radioactive fallout was mostly gone within hours, and lingering effects were gone within days. Only people directly exposed to the immediate effects suffered from it, but again, even including those people in the death toll, it's still less than the suffering caused by fire bombing Tokyo.

The Japanese lost the war and owned their failure and mistakes, and overcame it. The Americans were extremely generous toward them in their defeat, pumping their economy full of money and helping them get back on their feet. This was because the US needed a strong ally in the region to keep the Communists in check, but Japan benefited immensely from the friendly relationship with the USA, and continues to benefit from it.

So on the whole why would they be mad?

>>16548514
>but Vietnam and all of our Middle East endeavors were such catastrophic failures?
Because we weren't able to set up a proper government. The South Vietnamese had no political will to resist Ho Chi Minh and folded the instant US support was taken away from their government. The same is also true of Iraq and Afghanistan. The "democracies" set up in these countries were little more than US military cronies who bolted as soon as the insurgents crawled out of the wood work when US troops pulled back. Afghan security forces threw down their weapons and fled rather than fight the Taliban by themselves.

>>16549460
>The actual amount of dead from them wasn't staggering, though.... The fire bombing of Tokyo killed far more people than both nukes put together, and caused worse devastation by far.
Because Tokyo was a vastly larger city, with about 10 times the combined population of (pre-bombing) Hiroshima and Nagasaki. A normal fire-bombing would kill <10,000.

>>16549550
I'm not sure what you're trying to point out. How does it change anything I said? Fire bombing Tokyo was a far worse loss for the Japanese. More people died, more property was destroyed. The imperial palace had to be abandoned. Compared to that, the loss of Hiroshima and Nagasaki's city centers was secondary. Both cities were rebuilt and are today shining metropolises, so it's not like the nukes did any real lasting damage.

>>16549485
>The South Vietnamese had no political will to resist Ho Chi Minh and folded the instant US support was taken away from their government.
They lasted two years after final withdrawal, and only fell in a massive conventional assault. The RVN less competent/capable than what Syngman Rhee had, but arguably geography (ease of stopping infiltrators across the DMZ versus the entire border with Cambodia/Laos) and the weaknesses of the French colonial regime/legacy social structure mattered more in the outcome than legitimacy or will. If the VWP hadn't enacted Resolution 15 and stepped up its support for COSVN/the NLF, COSVN would've likely found itself reduced to operational irrelevancy and the RVN would've continued onward, potentially gaining the space for reform and development akin to what was happening in the rest of Southeast Asia.

>>16548256
Because they recognize that their nation deserved it for their crimes against humanities they did unprovoked.

>>16549563
The atomic bombings caused an order of magnitude higher fatalities than regular firebombings would've, elevating these two unassuming provincial cities into the same rank as the capital itself. It wasn't a matter of two bombers doing what took the work of hundreds, but two bombers doing what had previously been impossible casualty-wise. The cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not matter, but the demonstrated capability to combine mass destruction of buildings with the destruction of >20% of an area's population did.

>>16549660
>The atomic bombings caused an order of magnitude higher fatalities than regular firebombings would've
Except that is wrong. More people died in the firebombs than the atomic bombs. Your word salad of a post is simply stating "atomic bombs badder because one bomb bigger than many fire bombs"

>>16549682
Nta but you are being extremely petty and reddit. The ratio of fire-bombings to a-bombings is probably about 10 to 1. Hence why more people died in firebombings. There were more firebombings.

>>16549691
>big bomb more bad than many small bomb
You keep saying the exact same thing just with different words. It is amazing.

>>16549700
I am not talking to you goodbye

>>16549682
That is correct.
There's maybe 600,000 to one million Japanese civilian fatalities from American bombings in total.
There's ~200,000 fatalities from the atomic bombings.
So then, these two cities, accounting for ~1% of Japan's population, were 20 - 33% of all fatalities.
That is a full order of magnitude greater than one would predict.

>>16549098
It was horrible and regrettable, but still justified. They know it as well as we do.

>>16549691
I am that anon.
The ratio of firebombed cities to atom-bombed cities is greater than 30 to 1.
Japan's most populous city, Tokyo, had fatalities equal or less than the combined atomic bombings.
The #2 city, Osaka, had <10,000.
The #3 city, Nagoya, had <10,000.
Kobe had <10,000.
Niigata had <10,000.
Kagoshima had <10,000.
And so on.

>>16549748
>They know it as well as we do.

No that is totally incorrect. The Japanese are familiar with the hibakusha testimonies and their literature/media far more free to question the events, though hibakusha testimonies and photographs of the bombings were censored well into the 1960s.

You are hung up on this because it is a fundamental National Mythology upon which the postwar American and international order are founded.

You have been lied to from birth about the nature of the events, I am sorry but it is the truth.

>>16549845
>The Japanese are familiar with the hibakusha testimonies and their literature/media far more free to question the events
Yes, the Japanese are familiar with deeming themselves the victims no matter what happens, with the atomic bombings being a superlative contribution to that cause, especially because they don't, like the fire bombings, have any unfortunate parallels to Japan's own conduct in China.

>>16548256
Because we depend on the US for protection and they're great customers

>>16549933
What the Japanese did in Manchuria/Korea and elsewhere is pure Evil. The fact that you cannot comprehend how a group can be victim and criminal at the same time suggests you have a small brain that thinks in cartoonish simplicities such as "us vs. Them."

>>16549946
I'm saying that there's a reason they emphasize the atom bombings (and even the casualties - not just whether the strategic situation necessitated it) over all the firebombings and the likes of Operation Starvation. The Great Tokyo Air Raid was the most destructive conventional air raid ever; yet one hardly finds any commemoration/prominent memorials to it. There's a reason for that.

>>16549972
My friend, surely you notice that the atomic bomb is uniquely capable of flattening cities and vaporizing bodies?

You seem to be talking out of the momentum of argumentation. Did you come in this thread to tell us that firebombings are equally destructive to nukes? I don't think so. I think you are side-tracked by your own contrarian spirit.

>>16549983
>the atomic bomb is uniquely capable of flattening cities and vaporizing bodies?
If you're talking about commemoration and victimization, then manner largely becomes irrelevant, especially when memorials are typically operated at the local level. Absolute civilian losses in Tokyo were on par with absolute losses in Hiroshima and certainly exceeded Nagasaki, and yet they get comparatively nothing: they share a small, out of the way park with a memorial to the Great Kanto Earthquake victims.

>>16550081
Bro, seriously? Who are you even talking to? Why are you here? What do you stand for?

Yourself being right? Yourself talking to yourself?

>>16549075
>so is there really just zero way to reform a country through military intervention and stewardship without it either already being industrialized, or going in and industrializing it?
It's something of a paradox: expeditionary counterinsurgency is easy if you have a competent local partner, but if you had a competent local partner you wouldn't need to directly intervene because they could handle everything. Otherwise, the same pathologies that keep them in need of direct security assistance (even when their own lives depend on it) will impair their ability to reform.
Chechnya is the exception, but became a exception largely because it's part of the Russian Federation and was treated as such wrt force levels, administration, and subsidies, and because the Kadyrovs created a legitimate enough and capable enough local government.
The Malayan Emergency might be another counterexample, but that reflected very specific circumstances and had a limited scope.

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>>16548256
Probably because total war was the modus operandi of the entire Second World War. You can’t hate one country for total war when every country was engaged in total war. You either have no good guys, or you do what is normal and the good guys were the winners. You’re honestly a faggot if you try to split that baby.

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>>16548256
The US has always had great propaganda, not to mention the school system everywhere have this Anglo-centric view of modern history.

Mind you, some people still believe the US Army went to the Middle East because muh dictators bad, muh freedoms, liberties, democracy and whatnot.

>>16549768
The shortcoming of your logic is that the Americans were not done bombing any of those cities. Japanese industry was largely artisanal, and the Americans had planned many more bombing raids before the surrender interrupted the plans. I fully agree that firebombing is less effective than a single atomic bomb, but the take away for everyone was that just means you use more firebombs, until you get the same effect. I mean, anon, you do understand that the point of the bombings was to destroy every machine shop and artisanal factory in Japan? The firebombing was not done by a long shot and many more people were about to die. You are literally arguing it was better to murder people over the course of a year than to do the killing in a single day. I guess there is some reprieve for those people who got to live one more year, but odds are that life was in a wrecked husk of a city full of starvation and misery. In other words, arguing one means of dying is superior to other ways of dying, especially absent the context that could result in more or fewer deaths overall comes off as rather shallow.

>>16549946
True, but the context of OP’s question is why aren’t Americans hated? It’s because we played by the same rules the Japanese played by. Does anyone doubt if Japan had the bomb they would have used it? Their own war record strongly suggests yes they would, especially on China and SE Asia. Probably Sydney and Honolulu too.
The rules in play were followed. Thus no hate for the Americans who acquitted themselves respectably in peace.

>>16552463
None of these ideas of blame, fairness or commensurability have anything to do with the reality of the people killed and injured and poisoned in those horrific clouds of black death.

"It makes no difference to the dead whether they are killed in the name of good or evil"
-MK Gandhi

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>>16552477
So you are arguing for pacifism?

>>16552499
Lol calling Chinese+Soviet civilian casualties "Allied Casualties" is rather deceptive idnt?

Was it China or Russia that dropped the nuke, I forget?

>>16552520
No I am arguing agains the design, manufacture and usage of a weapon so anti-human by such short-sighted humans.

Truman cursed our century, can't you see it?

>>16552528
> I am arguing agains the design, manufacture and usage of a weapon
Well, then, what weapons do you like? What would the war look like with this weapons?

>>16552541
Hand to hand combat was manly and did not involve women, children or civilians.

I understand we cannot go back to that. The warrior of 2024 is a pacifist more or less. That is to say the man of honor will not engage in the practices of modern warfare and will seek to be the voice of reason cutting agains the grain of a mad society.

>>16552553
Just ignore all the villages raided to the ground and the women raped and children sold as slaves.

>>16548256
same reason most Germans don't hate America
yhey got cucked and brainwashed

>>16552553
I actually agree. Hand to hand combat was superior in every way, especially in matters of honor and protection of the innocent (at least until we have a trained class of people able to oppress people not trained in swords).
But let’s instead deal with the reality of man and WW2. This was a 20th century war, and anyone who did not believe it should be prosecuted by means of 20th century technology was not going to win. In fact they would lose so badly, they would have a moral obligation to surrender without fighting as soon as possible. But again, that is a fantasy.
The Americans were more isolationist than any other major power of that period, which I believe puts them closer to that pacifist stance than anyone else. The Japanese were the polar opposite, having started their campaign of conquest earlier than anyone else. Thus, again, I acquit the Americans before anyone else if we acquit at all.

>>16552591
Whatever in the hell are you talking about? Do you think those are the causes of modern wars? How can you be so blind in a post-Iraq War era where we all know the CIA cooked up the WMD evidence and we all know America has an appetite for oil, lithium etc.?

>>16552605
WWII was a maelstrom of evil. No modern nation had a choice in the logic of nations, which are based on self preservation of the status quo and expansion of influence/power abroad.

You and I and mankind are caught beneath the sinister workings of statecraft. By placing effort in one state's war, we are submitting to that state of affairs.

Real people do not get to decide how wars are fought or won or lost. They are caught in the gears of power and must navigate according to their particular circumstances.

The right thing to do in WWII would have been to serve in a non-combatant capacity at great self sacrifice and risk, like a Mennonite medic.

That would allow you to avoid participating in state evil while and avoid cowardace or fleeing ones own people in time of need.

>>16552634
The only point I really disagree is that the Mennonite medic was “doing the right thing,” to paraphrase you. Pacifists are objectively piggybacking on men who do fight and even if the Mennonite is occupied in a position that is needed, he might not be the most qualified. As a consequence, on the other side of the ledger is a man who would make a better medic, but is now holding a rifle. Hypothetically, this might mean additional injuries and deaths among the men who need medical attention. Additionally, the Mennonites position is only a viable option within that larger nation state. At some point, your nearest neighbor is a barbarian who will inflict far more suffering than just fighting him off will cause, and exponentially so.
Again these are only hypothetical if we demand exact examples, but human experience has shown to be true in how humans deal with other humans. Indeed understanding the concept of “other” is critical to understanding why wars are needed in the first place. We may say all men are brothers not others, but only people brought under the Christian framework actually practice this at scale.

>>16552709
You will be unsurprised to find I am deeply sympathetic to Christianity and have read a lot from that tradition. Probably that's the heart of wherever we disagree, I do think of this in terms of God. I appreciate your mind, it is subtle and considers a lot of possibilities. You seem like an excellent thinker and I wish you well on your journey to truth. We need more anons like you who can think critically.

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>>16552432
> the Americans were not done bombing any of those cities.
For the most part, they were, which is why they moved on to attacking progressively smaller cities. Post-raid analysis of the larger ones generated quotes like
>After looking at Yokohama, one bomb analyst said, “The parts left over were not worth bombs.
>further bombing [of Tokyo] would only have wasted bombs to no purpose
The percentage of urban area destroyed was equivalent to what an atom bomb could do, but killing power was vastly diminished. Kofu (population 102,000) saw >70% destruction, but had only 2,000 dead and missing. The Great Tokyo Air Raid was an outlier in absolute terms, but relatively only killed a low single digit share of Tokyo's population.

>>16548256
Why would they? We saved them from a tyrannical military dictatorship and turned Japan into a peaceful and prosperous democracy.

>>16552608
>CIA cooked up the WMD evidence
Except it was proven Saddam had chemical weapons which is classified as a WMD. Nowhere in any report did they say Iraq had nukes, just WMD's. People just immediately assumed them to be nukes and when nukes weren't found that is where this myth of "Bush lied about WMD's" came afloat.

>dude we were gonna surrender in two more weeks
lmao

>>16552981
Shocking. Just shocking. Go to bed Uncle Ray, that's enough Fox News for today.

>>16552990
>dude I took high school history I know everything and never need to examine anything ever again
lmao

>>16552996
Can't handle the truth huh?

>>16553000
I just study the war, not the voluminous amounts of post-war cope. There's nothing more meaningless than the rambling memoirs of a defeated general. It's revisionist shit.

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>>16553001
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>>16552981
>this guy had weapons
>this is not allowed because
because?

>>16553043
>>16553083
Fuck off back to plebbit, nigger.

>>16553117
Holy shit anon Im dying over here

You are the dumbest person I have ever met on the internet, of ALL TIME

NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT NUKES IN IRAQ EXCEPT THE CIA YELLOWCAKE BULLSHIT, POWELL FOCUSED ON CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS, AS DID BUSH

BUT WHERE WAS THE ANTHRAX? THE GALLON DRUMS OF NERVE GAS? OH THAT? THE CIA SOLD THAT TO SADDAM DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR

EVERYTHING YOU THINK IS A LIE
YOU SEE NOTHING BECAUSE AN AMERICAN FLAG IS WRAPPED AROUND YOUR HEAD

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>>16553165
>Saddam was a good boy he diddin do nuthin
God I can't wait for you shitskins to all die

>>16553043
>>16553083
>>16553165
Meltdown

>>16548256
Imagine getting stabbed, but you survived, and then your stabber gave you a million dollars.
That's basically what happened.

>>16553826
Glowing hands made this post.

>>16553829
Dont be mad at me because you are a dumbass.

>>16548514
The simple answer is that we had a bigger incentive (not being overrun by the Reds) when it came to Korea, Germany, and Japan. MENA quickly became a cash sink when the Soviets fell and we turned it into a forever war to line the pockets of military contractors. It was never about building a functioning state.

Fun fact: did you know we never even "stole" their oil in the conventional sense? We always paid exorbitant prices for it.

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>>16548256
because they have a dirty conscience and they know it. they carried out unspeakable war crimes for two decades and only got a slap on the wrist because macarthur wanted them alive to hurt the commies, if it wasn't for the soviets becoming an international issue they would've probably got genocided by the americans, as it was their original intention. they better shut up and thank uncle sam for dropping only two bombs, instead of two thousand.

>>16553900
Why be a stooge for brown people?

>>16554585
I love brown people buddy. And I also love black people. Especially black Americans.
God damn, I love them.

I dated a white chick from South Dakota once. Worst family dinner and worst sex I have ever had. True story.

America won = secret history hidden forever

>>16554596
>South Dakota
Yeah that is like a California 3. Way to oust yourself as a bottom of the barrel scrapper

>>16548256
They weren't even allowed to talk about it until 1952.

>>16548256
It's simple.

1. The atomic bombings weren't as devastating as the firebombings. The atomic bombs weren't notable for the deaths necessarily, but the amount of damage caused by only two bombs.

2. There's a whole new generation of Japanese and Germans now. These people will hold no recollection of the crimes committed against them (As in Hiroshima and Nagasaki) due to the fact they were not around to experience it. In the aftermath of the attacks, there would have of course been significant resentment in Japan, because the current populace were victims.

3. The government of Japan was removed, imprisoned and executed. Hideki Tojo was executed for example, in order for the common man to care about past crimes he either needs to be reminded of it, or experience the same as what happened to his past countrymen. When ordinary citizens are fixated on their next paycheque and getting food on the table, why care for events almost 100 years ago? The current Japanese government would've been put in power by the allies, thus would have a pro-allied stance, meaning the Japanese public would not be reminded of bombings.

4. Pro-western media is constantly parroted in their country, leaving a "America and allies gud, axis evil and bad!" mindset, which then means everything bad is swept under the rug.

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>>16548256
>Why don't most Japanese people hate America after Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
is this even a question??
nipponese women love BWC and nipponese men are gay. simple as

>>16555113
When you find yourself living in South Dakota you find yourself in such a scenario. I think the idea of competitive sex is pretty ape-ish and I am not into "x / 10" ratings.

>>16552499
Yeah, they Russians were fucking retarded in WWII.

>>16554596
>I love black people
>moves to South Dakota
Lol lmao

>>16558286
Chyeah bud that was for a job, I left after 2 years. You ever seen how white people make tacos in the midwest? It's ghastly.

>iceberg lettuce
>black olives
>Pace salsa (mild)
>sour cream
>refrigerated Mission flour tortilla
>Ground beef with storebought seasoning packet
>Kraft pre-shredded cheddar cheese

Every fucken time

>>16556762
blacks are still considered ugoos by women of all races. Sad, but true

>>16548256

first, what country do you live in. The alternative to Fat Man/Little Boy was J-Day which would have seen 100,000-200,000 american GIs killed. Americans knew there was a price to win WW2 outright, and nuclear bombs avoided their own lives. This is a completely reasonable trade.

If you mean Europeans, it's because Americans liberated them and protected them with nukes. If you mean mexico/hispanic countries/the global south it's because America had protected them from the nazis and, in mexico's case, actively helped the war effort which meant nukes saved their own GIs lives too.

so what country are you from

>>16553835
this but also you attacked him first

>>16558296
>Acts as if that's not still an amazing meal
Fuck right off. I don't care how authentic my mexican food is I want it Americanised to the max

>>16559558
>i want it americanized to the max

You put high fructose corn syrup, wood pulp and nitrates on your tacos? That's not good anon.

>>16559142
>The alternative to Fat Man/Little Boy was J Day which would have seen 100,000-200,000 american GIs killed.
Threadly reminder that the US had no timescale or plan by which atomic bombs (and Soviet invasion) would force a Japanese surrender. Preparations for the invasion, and for an intensification of the conventional air war continued apace, even after the bombs were dropped.

On the other hand, of course, the relevant parts of the US government knew that at least the uranium bomb would work, and that the Soviet Union would likely enter the fray within a few months of German defeat, and yet continued preparations (including the Battle of Okinawa) for invasion, strongly suggesting that it did not believe the Japanese government was near surrender.

>>16560998
>Threadly reminder that the US had no timescale or plan by which atomic bombs (and Soviet invasion)

READ A FUCKING BOOK. TRUMAN, STIMSON, BYRNES, EISENHOWER, CHURCHILL, STALIN, MACARTHUR ALL KNEW THE JAPANESE WERE TOAST AND THAT ONLY THE DETAILS WOULD HAVE TO PLAY OUT, NOBODY EXPECTED A HOME INVASION TO HAVE TO OCCUR, IT WAS CONTINGENCY PLANNING

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>>16548256
> Why don't most Japanese people hate America after Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

I can tell you have never personally known a japanese person irl

>>16561024
US Army certainly thought otherwise.

>>16561193
Fuck off NATO tranny go fight and die in Ukraine

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>>16548293
https://truthout.org/articles/us-courts-martial-in-occupation-japan-rape-race-and-censorship/
"When US paratroopers landed in Sapporo, an orgy of looting, sexual violence and drunken brawling ensued. Gang rapes and other sexual atrocities were not infrequent... "
truthout.org
U.S. Courts-Martial in Occupation Japan: Rape, Race, and Censorship
Burritt Sabin of the Japan Times reported in 2002 that just days before the R.A.A. was to open, hundreds of American soldiers broke into two of their facilities and raped all the women.9 The situation prompted MacArthur and Eichelberger, the two top military men of the U.S. occupation forces, to make “rape by Marines” their very first topic of discussion.10 Yuki Tanaka notes that 1300 rapes were reported in Kanagawa prefecture alone between August 30 and September 10, 1945, indicative of the pervasiveness of the phenomenon in the early occupation.11

Five months after the occupation began, one in four American soldiers had contracted VD.16 The supply of penicillin back in the U.S. was low.17 When MacArthur responded by making both prostitution and fraternization illegal,18 the number of reported rapes soared, showing that prostitution and the easy availability of women had suppressed incidents of rape. John Dower writes in his Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II that while the U.S./Japanese-sponsored brothels were open “the number of rapes and assaults on Japanese women were around 40 a day,” but after they were closed, the number rose to 330 a day.19 Yuki Tanaka records two major incidents of mass rape around the same time.20 On April 4, fifty GIs broke into a hospital in Omori and raped 77 women, one a woman who had just given birth, killing the two-day-old baby by tossing it onto the floor. On April 11, forty U.S. soldiers cut off the phone lines of one of Nagoya’s city blocks and entered a number of houses simultaneously, “raping many girls and woman between the ages of 10 and 55 years

>>16561024
The 8th Air Force, which had done such good work in Europe, was transferred to the Pacific in July 1945, and began the conversion to B-29s in August, as just one example.
>ONLY THE DETAILS WOULD HAVE TO PLAY OUT
That was the case in December 1941 to most observers.
Certainly the case after July 1942.
It was the case, according to the Japanese government's own Absolute National Defense Perimeter concept, in June 1944.
Certainly by October 1944.
And yet, the war ground on.

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>>16548256
>>16548261
>>16548264
>>16548579
>>16548599
>>16561245
The US government funded Japanese unit 731 scientists to conduct biological germ tests on Japanese civilians after World War II.

https://theguardian.newspapers.com/clip/122763034/postwar-japan-us-backed-japans-germ/


From 1983 UK Observer scoop - "Experiments on human guinea pigs by members of the Japanese germ warfare unit continued in Japan after the war with the help of secret funding from the American Government"

Multiple Japanese died from the experiments and another committed suicide after being used as a guinea pig.

"The ostensible purpose of the work was to develop vaccines to fight disease... The money for the experiments came from the American 406th Division, part of the occupation forces... A number of Japanese doctors associated with Unit 731 were signed up as advisers...."

"To test treatments for scrub typhus, the team instructed researchers to infect patients in a mental hospital in Niigata." Between 1953-1956, 118 patients were infected. Nine died, "another committed suicide rather than continue as a human guinea pig."

"An investigation by the Tokyo Justice Ministry concluded that no permission from relatives had been obtained for the experiments, and there was no question of the tests being a form of treatment to 'cure' the patients, as the hospital claimed."

Finally, I want to give credit to British researchers, Peter Williams and David Wallace. Their 1989 book, "Unit 731: The Japanese Army's Secret of Secrets," referenced the Observer article. The US printing of the book deleted the chapter the reference was in, so make sure you use the British edition by Hodder & Stoughton if you want to follow up this reference.

>>16561250
*waves flag*
*drinks Big Gulp*
*says pledge of allegience*
*joins US military*
*drops bombs on kids*
*returns home*
*commits suicide*

People like you are great! Thanks for your service!

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>>16561245
>>16561255
Japanese teenage girls were used as comfort women by US soldiers after their surrender.

70,000 Japanese girls were prostituted to allied soldiers in the recreation and amusement association after 1945.

Over 100,000 Japanese girls were prostituted as karayuki-san to Han Chinese men and western men in the Meiji and Taisho periods to raise money to industrialize Japan and spy in other countries.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373

And before that tons of Japanese girls were given to foreign Han Chinese merchants and Portuguese men and Dutch men during Sengoku Jidai and Tokugawa (Edo) as well.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12244603/#q12249572

Japanese Karayuki-san prostitutes in French Indochina refused Annamese (Vietnamese) men as clients and only slept with French soldiers and Han Chinese men.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9508255

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9525108
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373

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>>16561245
>>16561255
>>16561272

>>16561272
You are a sick fucker you know that? You are just trying to deplete people's human sympathy for the 200,000 people brutally murdered and burned and poisoned by atomic bombs.

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>le chimpout of 41
>get btfo'd harder than anyone has ever gotten btfo'd before
>rebuilt into a wealthy and prosperous country
The USA could have leveled the place, killed the emperor, and treated the Japanese like second class citizens in their own homeland. That's what imperial Japan would have done.

>>16548514
>>16548631
>>16548874
>>16549075
>>16552350
Korean men pimped 200,000 Korean women out to Japanese men in the 1970s and 1,000,000 Korean women to American soldiers in exchange for investment. Mongols and Central Asians also mass bred Korean women during Goryeo.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14147987/#q14147987

>>14147987

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220256

>>13220256

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13277598/#q13277598

>>13277598

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13043204

>>13043204

>>16561306
Japan started sterilising its own people in 1948 under US occupation, including underage children.

The US also did this in South Korea.

>>16561310
why are you arguing about Korean women in a thread about Japanese US relations?

>>16562413
The han chinese y dna is extinct from the human race thousands of years ago, only the han chinese x dna survives, the y dna is a jambalaya of xiongnu + khitan + koguryo + turk + mongol + jurchen + manchu + silla korean + baekche korean + yamato japanese/korean + ww2 vintage japanese/korean + brits/anglos etc.

The most mutted race in the history of humankind, this is why EVERY han chinese male exudes massive inferiority complex irl but will shitpost online due to the genetic instinctive cowardly nature of the han chinese

>>16562413
The posts that it was responding too were about South Korean development, dumbass. It's on topic to what it responded to.

>>16562435

Han Chinese have same Y DNA to Han in northern China 3,000 years ago.

Han Chinese conquered and raped Korea (four commanderies of Han after Han dynasty conquered Gojoseon).

Han Chinese soldiers raped Koreans during the Imjin War while Japanese also raped Koreans.

Han Chinese raped Manchus before the Qing. Manchus were slaves of the Ming dynasty for 200 years.

Yishiha was a Manchu (Jurchen ) eunuch who was castrated and enslaved by the Ming dynasty and he led Ming expeditions against his fellow Jurchens at erected Ming outposts at Yongning temple.

Han Chinese raped the Gokturks while Turks raped your ancestors after fleeing west
The first Turkic inscription in history is the Orkhon stele where Bilge Khan whines about how Han Chinese are fucking Turk girls.

Han Chinese raped Xiongnu, Qin dynasty general Meng Tian massacred Xiongnu in the Ordos loop in their first war.

Han General Li Ling married a Xiongnu princess.

Han Chinese massacred Khitan men during the Tang dynasty and distributed Khitan women as sex slaves.

Han Chinese ruled Tibetan in Xining during the Han, Song, Ming dynasties and had sex with their women.


Han Chinese men practiced sex tourism on Japanese women for centuries.

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>>16562435
History of Korean humiliation
>>16562447

Many Hui are descended from foreign Muslim men from west Asia and Central Asia who married Korean women when the Mongols distributed Korean girls as concubines to Han Chinese and Hui Semu Tammachi Huihui officials and soldiers.

Korean history under the Mongol empire

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220256

>>13220256

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10828773/#q10828773

>>10828773

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13043204

>>13043204

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13067378/#q13067627

>>13067627 >>13071844

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12011702/#q12011702

>>12011702

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13277598/#q13277598
>>13277598
No.>>13231351
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9508255

>>9508255

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13205503/#q13208522

>>13208522

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13089506/#q13092548

>>13092548


https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13378501/#q13384800

>>13384800

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13876154/#q13876415

>>13876415

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13740348/#q13744483

>>13744483

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/20/arts/20iht-MELIK20.html

In the ethnically diverse court entourage, jewelry was influenced by far away Iran. The gold filigree ornaments with turquoise-colored insets found in the tomb of an official called Shi Gang are derived from Iranian models. Shi Gang’s father was Chinese but his mother came from the north Asian Jurchen people. An epitaph in the tomb further reveals that his wife belonged to the Turkic Kerait community. The hairpin, the earring and the two rings recovered from the funerary chamber were hers.
Shi Gang’s father had had four spouses. One was Chinese, two were Jurchen and one was Korean. Another large tomb in the Shi family burial ground yielded a Korean celadon porcelain jar of the 13th century.

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>>16562435
>>16562447
>>16562454
Korean volunteers weren't allowed until 1938 and Koreans weren't conscripted until 1944 and many were put into support roles unlike Okinawans.

Park Chung-hee who was a volunteer in Manchukuo (only deployed in 1944) prostituted Korean women to Japanese after the war because that was the status of all the volunteers, cuckolds

Gookreans were put in grunt roles in the Pacific like guarding westerner POW camps.

Japan didn't recruit Gook volunteers until 1938 after Nanking, and didn't recruit Gook conscripts until the end of the war due to lack of trust in gooks so you're busted for lying again.

Okinawans were the only ethnic minority Japan trustee and recruited volunteers and conscripts from in the beginning.


>>57934367
List of Gookrean clans that openly claim foreign paternal ancestry from Han, Jurchen, Dutch, Mongols, Central Asian men who married Korean women.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_clan_names_of_foreign_origin

>>16562435
>>16562463
Goguryeo and Silla never conquered Han lands, gookrean

Goguryeo only RETOOK Lelanh commandery in the Korean peninsula in 313 after Han Chinese raped and bred Korean women there for centuries when conquering Gojoseon.

Goguryeo's capital Hwando was sacked by Han Chinese in Cao Wei and sacked again by Murong Xianbei who fucked the Goguryeo queen mother

Chinese pirates traded Silla girls as sex slaves.

Both Ming Han Chinese soldiers ans Japanese troops raped Korean women in the Imjin war.

Khitan armies raided and devastated Korea before Mongols raped Koreans even more.

>>16562435

Cope and seethe. Han have the same Y DNA as yellow river Neolithic farmers and Han from 3000 years ago.

Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Descend from Three Neolithic Super-Grandfathers

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105691

Ancient DNA Reveals That the Genetic Structure of the Northern Han Chinese Was Shaped Prior to 3,000 Years Ago

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418768/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0125676 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235620438_Ancient_DNA_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao%27s_granduncle_matches_those_of_his_present_descendants_a_commentary_on_present_Y_chromosomes_reveal_the_ancestry_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao_of_1800_years_ago

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajhb.22604

>>16562470
Also Baekje never ruled Han lands.

Tang China ruled Baekje as Ungjin commandery.

Han Chinese conquered Liaodong from Gojoseon and then conquered Gojoseon in the Korean peninsula, setting yo the Four commanderies of Han like Lelang and fucking Korean girls.

Kublai Khan gave Korean women to Han Chinese soldiers from Southern Song to defect.

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>>16549485
Iraqi Sunni Arabs are the most raped people on earth.

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>>16562454
>>16562470
>>16562435
Kublai Khan gave Korean women to Han Chinese Southern Song defecting soldiers at the beginning of the Yuan.

Korean sources like Goryeosa 高麗史 and Dongguk Tonggam 東國通鑑 mentioned the Mongols distributing Korean women as wives to their underlings, Kuiblai Khan gave the daughter of Korean official Chae Ingyu first to a Tibetan named Sangha and then to a Muslim Abu Ali from southern India.

Kublai Khan was at the beginning of the Yuan dynasty and he handed out Korean women to the Indian Muslim exile 孛哈里.

Also from Empire's Twilight: Northeast Asia Under the Mongols, p. 52

>The first waves of Koryo women into the Mongol empire arrived as captives seized during the bloody fighting of the mid-thirteenth century. These women were variously used as slaves, married to recently surrendered Southern Song soldiers, or distributed as war booty to Mongol warriors.

Marriage as Political Strategy and Cultural Expression: Mongolian Royal Marriages from World Empire to Yuan Dynasty, p. 194

>It is true that in the Yuan dynasty, Korean women were famed for their gentleness and loveliness, and many officials took Korean women as wives, concubines, or maidservants, and it is also true that the Yuan court also issued many imperial edicts tot he Koryŏ court, ordering them to present young women to the Yuan imperial court. Many Korean officials also presented women to the Yuan of their own accord. This traffic in women happened every year according to the Korean history Yu Kye.

>54 "[Korea] did this (presenting virgins and eunuchs to the Yuan court) every year either in response to an imperial decree or on a voluntary basis." See Yu Kye (1607-1664): Yosa chegang

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>>16561282
>>16561310
>>16562435
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#9469715

Y chromosome confirms it's the same as the original Han 3,000 years ago.

Han Chinese have the same paternal Y chromosome haplogroups as 3,000 years ago and even further back since the Neolithic. Unless barbarian women came and mass raped Han men and added maternal admixture, Han are the same as ancient China.

Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Descend from Three Neolithic Super-Grandfathers

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105691

Ancient DNA Reveals That the Genetic Structure of the Northern Han Chinese Was Shaped Prior to 3,000 Years Ago

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0125676 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235620438_Ancient_DNA_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao%27s_granduncle_matches_those_of_his_present_descendants_a_commentary_on_present_Y_chromosomes_reveal_the_ancestry_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao_of_1800_years_ago

The Manchu-Jurchen paternal C2 subclade haplogroup is competely absent from Han Chinese men. It's only found in Manchus, Mongols and other non-Han ethnic minorities.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418768/ https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Chuan-Chao_Wang/publication/269876995_Y_Chromosome_of_Aisin_Gioro_the_Imperial_House_of_Qing_Dynasty/links/551cf6240cf2909047bcb445/Y-Chromosome-of-Aisin-Gioro-the-Imperial-House-of-Qing-Dynasty.pdf

>We reasoned that the events leading to the spread of this lineage might have been recorded in the historical record, as well as in the genetic record. The spread must have occurred after the cluster’s TMRCA (∼500 years ago, corresponding to about a.d. 1500) and, most likely, before the Xibe migration in 1764. Notable features are the occurrence of the lineage in seven different populations but its apparent absence from the most populous Chinese ethnic group, the Han.

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>>16562536
Han people have zero Manchu Y chromosomes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1285168/

We reasoned that the events leading to the spread of this lineage might have been recorded in the historical record, as well as in the genetic record. The spread must have occurred after the cluster's TMRCA (500 years ago, corresponding to about A.D. 1500) and, most likely, before the Xibe migration in 1764. Notable features are the occurrence of the lineage in seven different populations but its apparent absence from the most populous Chinese ethnic group, the Han.

https://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/10/does-genghis-khan-have-rival-as.html

UPDATE: Chris Tyler-Smith emails to confirm that the Mighty Manslayer is still #1:


The Qing chromosome was not found at all in the Han samples we looked at, and this makes a big difference to predictions of its total number. If we make the assumption that its real frequency in the Minority populations is the same as our measurement (about 5%) and that it is really absent from the Han, the total number of carriers in the world would be a little over one and a half million, about one-tenth of the Genghis Khan chromosome. Still quite impressive for such a recent and relatively peaceful expansion.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2005/10/genetic-legacy-of-manchu.html

https://peaceandjustice.freeforums.net/thread/514/genghis-khan-genetic-legacy

https://af.booksc.eu/book/18342973/b900f1

https://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/genetics/china/xue_2005_manchu_y_chromosomes.html

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707633941

https://hobbydocbox.com/Genealogy/85261480-Recent-spread-of-a-y-chromosomal-lineage-in-northern-china-and-mongolia.html

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>>16562435
>>16562454
>>16562497
The Mongols also invaded and raped Korea and mongrelized Koreans by having sex with all their women so much the Korean courtier Pa-gyu openly said pure Koreans would become extinct.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13067378/#q13071837

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13048487

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10828773/#q10828948

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>>16562435
Map of China in 1415, Han Chinese men ruling and having sex with both Vietnamese and Jianzhou Jurchens (Manchus). Manchuria was ruled as Nurgan regional military commission and Vietnam was ruled as Jiaozhi province by Ming dynasty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurgan_Regional_Military_Commission
The Ming had Jurchen (Manchu) and Vietnamese eunuchs and concubines when it ruled both of them at this time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yishiha
>Yishiha (Chinese: 亦失哈; Wade–Giles: Ishiha/I-shih-ha; also Išiqa or Isiha[1] Jurchen: Yishiha.svg i ʃï xa[2]) (fl. 1409–1451) was a Jurchen eunuch in the service of the Ming dynasty emperors who carried out several expeditions down the Songhua and Amur Rivers during the period of Ming rule of Manchuria,[1][3] and is credited with the construction of the only two Ming dynasty Buddhist temples ever built on the territory of present-day Russia.[4]
>It is believed that Yishiha was a Haixi Jurchen by origin,[1][5] and was captured by the Ming forces in the late 14th century.[1] He worked under two important eunuchs, Wang Zhen and Cao Jixiang. It is speculated by modern historians that he rose to prominence by participating in imperial court politics and serving the Yongle Emperor's concubines of Manchu (Jurchen) origin.[6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguy%E1%BB%85n_An
>Nguyễn An (Sino-Vietnamese 阮安; died 1453), known in Chinese as Ruan An (pinyin)[1] or Juan An[2] (Wade-Giles), was a Ming dynasty eunuch, architect, and hydraulics specialist between the first and fifth decades of the 15th century. Born in Vietnam, he was taken as tribute from Vietnam to China and later became a eunuch and architect in service to the Chinese emperors. He, along with numerous architects, such as master designers and planners Cai Xin (蔡信), Chen Gui (陳珪), and Wu Zhong (吳中), master carpenter Kuai Xiang (蒯祥), and master mason Lu Xiang (陸祥), was an important builder[3] of the Forbidden City in Beijing.[4]

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>>16562435
>>16562545
Japanese women and girls got raped by Jurchens (Manchus) en masse in the Toi pirate raids.

Under Ming dynasty southern Han Chinese rule, Jurchens (Manchus) were forced to sell their daughters or starve to death in famine during the ninth 9th year of the Ming Xuande emperor's reign.

>宣德九年,女真地区灾荒,女真人被迫卖儿鬻女,四处流亡,逃向辽东的女真难民,希望得到官府的赈济。针对这一情况,亦失哈急忙上疏,请求动用贮存在这里作为赏赐奴儿干的粮食和物资,赈济前来求食的难民。英宗立即批准了他的请求。除此之外,亦失哈还动用个人的积存,救济难民。

The Ming Yongle emperor already had Jurchen women and Vietnamese women as concubines and Jurchen eunuchs like Yishiha and Vietnamese eunuchs like Nguyen An after conquering Manchuria ruling it as the Nurgan regional military commission and conquering Vietnam, ruling it as Jiaozhi. Both Vietnamese and Jurchens women were having sex with Han Chinese men.

Jurchen Toi pirates once got on ships and raided Japan for girls to take and rape as concubines and sex slaves.

>The Toi pirates sailed with about 50 ships from direction of Goryeo, then assaulted Tsushima and Iki, starting 27 March 1019. After the Iki Island garrison comprising 147 soldiers was wiped out, the pirates has proceed to Hakata Bay. For a week, using Noko Island [ja] in the Hakata Bay as a base, they sacked villages and kidnapped over 1,000 Japanese, mostly women and young girls, for use as slaves.

>1019 Michinaga falls ill and takes holy orders, but continues to dominate the court.
>Toi (Jurchen)pirates in fifty or more ships ravage Tshushima, Iki, and the northern coast of Kyushu.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8101383#p8101398

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>>16562548
Japanese were repeatedly raped and prostituted for the past 1000 years

In 1019, Jurchens (Manchus) launched the massive Toi pirate raids against Japan and mass raped Japanese girls. The first ever successful Jurchen (Manchu) military campaign in history was against Japan.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241224

>>14241224

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14302863/#q14302938

>>14302938

Japan was a sex tourist destination for Han Chinese men for centuries.

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Liar.

Japanese were historically weak and NEVER won a single war militarily against foreigners before the late 19th century when Jews and Anglos modernized them in exchange for Japanese karayuki san prostitutes.

Han Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia centuries before the Mongol empire was founded and Genghis Khan was born. If ruling over a place means everyone in it was raped, then all Mongols are raped cross bred descendants of Han Chinese raping their ancestors.

If Mongols ruling an area makes everyone mixed with Mongols (the Mongols conquered and raped and ruled for centuries all the way to Baghdad and Iraq and conquered Turkey and raped Ukraine and Hungary and Korea as well), then all off Asia from Korea to Ukraine to Iraq and the Syrian cities of Damascus and Aleppo are Mongol hybrids.

Arabs never conquered Mongolia. Iraq was raped to the ground by the Mongols and Arabs never conquered Mongols before or after

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>>50520718
>China wasn't subjugated by foreigners. The non-Han dynasties were rebel subjects of preceding Han Chinese dynasties, not foreign invaders.

>The region of Mongolia was raped and conquered by Tang dynasty China centuries before the Mongol empire existed.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10403196

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/45518168

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/48235048

>>48235048

>Steppe nomads like the southern Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Qiang, An lushan's rebels and the non-nomadic sedentary farmer Jianzhou Jurchens were all conquered, subjugated and deported as slaves by Han Chinese BEFORE they revolted against they Han masters to establish their own dynasties. China was never conquered by an external political entity.


Since conquest and rule = mass breeding and rape, all Mongols and Vietnamese are crossbred with Han Chinese genes since China ruled Vietnam for 1,000 years and ruled Mongolia for centuries under the Tang dynasty before the Mongol empire.

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>>16562435
Han dynasty China and Tang dynasty China conquered and raped the entire steppe from Mongolia to Central Asia.

China routinely destroyed and slaughtered nomadic empires.


China wrecked nomadic empires multiple times from the Xiongnu (Mongolia and Central Asia), Jie, Western Turkic Khaghanate (Central Asia), Eastern Turkic Khaghanate (Mongolia), Xueyantuo and Uyghur Khaghanate (Mongolia). All of them destroyed and massacred by the Qin dynasty, Han dynasty and Tang dynasty. The Jianzhou Jurchen (Manchus) were under Ming rule and a part of the Ming Weisuo system before rebelling. They were rebels inside the Ming.

Almost all non-Han dynasties were founded by barbarians who were subjugated and conquered by Han before rebelling. The Wu Hu barbarians were slaves of Han Chinese who had been deported into northern China and revolted after a civil war.

Han Chinese dynasties like the Han Dynasty and Tang dynasty defeated, wrecked and destroyed over eight giant steppe nomad empires, the Xiongnu empire in 215 BC and 89 AD, Wuhuan in 207 AD, Jie in 350 AD, the Di in 383 AD, the Eastern Turkic Khaghanate in 630, Western Turkic Khaghanate in 657, Xueyantuo Khaghanate in 646 , Uyghur Khaghanate in 840 and committee genocide in the entire Jie steppe nomad people.

The Qin dynasty defeated the Xiongnu in it's very first battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin%27s_campaign_against_the_Xiongnu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zhizhi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han–Xiongnu_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Heavenly_Horses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_Chao#Control_of_the_Tarim_Basin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jie_people#History


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectorate_of_the_Western_Regions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loulan_Kingdom#Early_Han_Dynasty
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1210.5702
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kucha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaochang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jushi_Kingdom

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>>16562435
>>16562557
>>16562562
China conquered and utterly raped Mongolia in 629 AD and turned it into a military protectorate centuries before the Mongol empire existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_campaign_against_the_Eastern_Turks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anbei_Protectorate

The nomads in Mongolia said China enslaved them. While they raped Araplar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkhon_inscriptions#Relations_with_the_Chinese

>The sons of the nobles became the bondsmen of the Chinese people, their unsullied daughters became its slaves.

China conquered Central Asia in 640 AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_campaigns_against_the_Western_Turks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Taizong%27s_campaign_against_the_Western_Regions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Taizong%27s_campaign_against_Xueyantuo

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>>16562435
>>16562557
>>16562562
>>16562564
This is what the Tang dynasty did to the Uigur empire in Mongolia.

Uighur uighurs uyghur uyghurs uygur uygurs uigur uigurs

Khitan woman and children distributed as slaves after their men were slaughtered in pacification campaigns, half to Gokturk Turkic subjects of the Tang dynasty and the other half of Khitan women to the Tang dynasty court to be distributed to Han Chinese officials.

https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E8%88%8A%E5%94%90%E6%9B%B8/%E5%8D%B775#%E9%9F%8B%E9%9B%B2%E8%B5%B7

>去賊營百里,詐引南度,夜復退還,去營五十里,結陣而宿,契丹弗之知也。既明,俱發,馳騎襲之,盡獲其男女四萬口,女子及畜產以半賜突厥,余將入朝,男子皆殺之。

Zhang Jiuling
張九齡

https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E5%85%A8%E5%94%90%E6%96%87/%E5%8D%B70288#%E8%AB%96%E6%9D%B1%E5%8C%97%E8%BB%8D%E6%9C%AA%E5%8F%AF%E8%BC%95%E5%8B%95%E7%8B%80

>右:高力士宣奉敕,張守珪所進送突厥生口,具問知委曲,故令劉思賢去者。臣等伏以北虜凶狡,誠亦難保其心,然陛下以恩澤懷柔,歲月已久,使彼豺武,頓改頑暴,以事觀察,信然不虛。何者?昨李佺使回,虜亦具雲東下,中閒或言難信,至今果如所說,即是輸誠於國,未有他詐。且契丹等翻覆,或往或來,今其東討,雖未稟命,在於夷狄,亦不可責於常理,若因而屠之,亦便除患。陛下先有聖料,以為如此,臣等常竊誌之,固非所及。今其來也,若契丹等偶勝,北虜勢衰,因而乘之,滅其大半,審料必取,始可決行。事若不然,而軍將妄動,徒結大隙,亦以不信,為國生患,莫甚於此。臣伏以在邊諸將,苟利一軍,便即行之,以邀榮賞,不思遠計,誠是大失。今劉思賢往,望將降書處分守珪,必為遠圖,無得妄動,防約諸將,使知聖心,縱虜庭聞之,尢彰天澤。未審可否,謹錄狀奏聞。

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>>16562557
>>16562562
>>16562564
>>16562567
https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E5%85%A8%E5%94%90%E6%96%87/%E5%8D%B70289#%E8%B3%80%E8%81%96%E6%96%99%E7%AA%81%E5%8E%A5%E5%BF%85%E6%9C%89%E4%BA%A1%E5%BE%B5%E5%85%B6%E5%85%86%E4%BB%8A%E8%A6%8B%E7%8B%80

>右:林招隱宣敕示臣等:張守珪雲,契丹婦女屈將從突厥出來,知可汗死是實。又雲,黃頭突厥與默啜突厥爭言氣,兵馬欲鬥驚軍,屈將然得走來者。參驗前後從突厥來者,說事多同,況此婦人,尤為指實,死既非謬,天實誅之。且諸蕃之中,北虜為桀,不待征戰,而自取殲夷,此誠天助有道,坐清妖祲。陛下嚐有聖料者,知其必有亡徵,今雲兵馬自爭,其兆已見。佇聽其敗,但隻納降,亭障息兵,將自此始,不勝欣慶之至。

nomad barbarian women distributed as slaves to Han Chinese Tang dynasty officials

https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E5%85%A8%E5%94%90%E6%96%87/%E5%8D%B70289#%E8%AE%93%E8%B3%9C%E8%95%83%E5%8F%A3%E7%8B%80
>右:高力士宣聖恩,賜臣等蕃口。執自邊軍,釋囚為隸,誠宣供國,次及賞功。臣等無庸,何以受賜?殊恩俯降,循涯自失。伏望俯停渥澤,存以至公,矜遂懇誠,許歸官寺,則上有無偏之道,下有無苟之責。無任悃款之至。

https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E8%88%8A%E5%94%90%E6%9B%B8/%E5%8D%B775
https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E5%94%90%E6%9C%83%E8%A6%81/%E5%8D%B7014

Gogoryeo woman was taken as slave by a Han Chinese man, Guo Zhengyi after conquest of Goguryeo and tried to poison her master but the poison was extracted and she was caught and executed along with a Goguryeo man who tried to hide her

https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E6%9C%9D%E9%87%8E%E5%83%89%E8%BC%89/%E5%8D%B7%E4%BA%94
https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E6%9C%9D%E9%87%8E%E5%83%89%E8%BC%89_(%E5%9B%9B%E5%BA%AB%E5%85%A8%E6%9B%B8%E6%9C%AC)/%E5%8D%B75

https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E5%A4%AA%E5%B9%B3%E5%BB%A3%E8%A8%98/%E5%8D%B7%E7%AC%AC171#%E9%83%AD%E6%AD%A3%E4%B8%80

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>>16562435
>>16562557
>>16562562
>>16562564
>>16562567
>>16562571
The Chinese conquered Mongolia and Central Asia (including Shiwei who were ancestors of Mongols). China conquered the Gokturks and Gokturk girls became slaves.

The Turkic Orkhon stele say nomad Gokturk girls became slaves to the Chinese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkhon_inscriptions#Relations_with_the_Chinese

>The inscriptions even describe the Turks being enslaved by the Chinese.

> "Because of want of harmony between the begs and the people, and because of the Chinese people's cunning and craft and its intrigues, and because the younger and the elder brothers chose to take counsel against one another and bring discord between begs and people, they brought the old realm of the Turkic people to dissolution, and brought destruction on its lawful kagans. The sons of the nobles became the bondsmen of the Chinese people, their unsullied daughters became its slaves. The Turkic begs gave up their Turkic names, and bearing the Chinese names of Chinese begs they obeyed the Chinese Emperor, and served him during fifty years. For him they waged war in the East towards the sun's rising, as far as Bokli kagan, in the West they made expeditions as far as Taimirkapig; for the Chinese Emperor they conquered kingdoms and power. The whole of the common Turkic people said thus: 'I have been a nation that had its own kingdom; where is now my kingdom? For whom do I win the kingdoms? said they. I have been a people that had its own kagan; where is my kagan? Which kagan is it I serve?'"

https://www.jstor.org/stable/607024


It says it right here.

https://archive.org/details/Ross1930BSOASOrkhon/page/n4

On the next page 865

https://archive.org/details/Ross1930BSOASOrkhon/page/n5

Tang China resettled Sogdian subjects of the Gokturks after defeating and conquering the Gokturks in Mongolia like how Han China raped and conquered the Xiongnu centuries before.

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>>16562435
>>16562557
>>16562562
>>16562564
>>16562567
>>16562571
>>16562576
The Inscription on the Ceremonial Mounding of Mount Yanran was carved into the mountains of Mongolia by Han Chinese General Dou Xian over 1000 years before Genghis Khan and the Mongol empire, telling how China conquered and raped the steppe nomads of Mongolia.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inscription_of_Yanran

The Xiongnu army outnumbered the Han army yet the Xiongnu were defeated and raped by China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Altai_Mountains

Han Chinese also conquered and gang raped nomads

The barbarian dynasties were all founded by rebels. Xiongnu, Jie, Qiang, Di, Manchus revolted againts their Han masters after centuries of Han Chinese enslaving and raping them. Jurchens changed their name from Jurchen to MANCHU because of this.


Han Chinese conquered the Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Qiang, massacred them and enslaved the survivors like livestock on farms and manors in northern China for decades or even 200 years in the case of Xiongnu before they revolted.

>Han Chinese General Dou Xian ethnically cleansed and slaughtered Xiongnu and Han Chinese General Duan Jiong ethnically cleansed and slaughtered the Qiang. They deported the survivors to northern China to become slaves To the Han Chinese. Han Chinese Emperor Ran Min genocided the entire Jie people. The Han Chinese Han dynasty and Tang dynasty conquered into Central Asia and invaded and won victories as far as Uzbekistan and Kyrguzstan, and Lake Baikal in Siberia. The Tang dynasty defeated the Gokturks and deported them.

The lowest and poorest Han peasant was higher than the families of Jie and Xiongnu tribal chiefs who were enslaved and raped by Han masters.

>>16548256
because if we didnt the Soviets wouldve gotten half of their island on top of haivng to fight the worst guerilla campaign in history

the bombs were a mercy to both sides considering the alternative