>>16548546
>that face
Ziggerbeast found his people.

>>16548546
Did he elaborate?

>>16548546
Yes, the Yank delights in waging genocidal war against Europeans on the side of Bolshevism.

>>16548940
Why are americans like this?

>>16548947
because America is and always will be the ETERNAL ENEMY OF EUROPE AND HER PEOPLE

>>16548947
95% of Americans opposed involvement in the war until FDR laid out some nip b8

>>16548957
You know Germany declared war on the US first right

>>16549148
If you sincerely believe that America was completely uninvolved and uninterested in the war in Europe before then, and that the US government hadn't been eagerly looking for the first excuse to invade Europe you haven't done enough reading to be discussing WW2. If you seriously believe Poor widdle america was happily minding its own business before Japan attacked it for no reason whatsoever and Germany declared war for no reason either you're a fuckhead.

>>16549159
Yes the horror of the US being unwilling to sell oil to Japan, what vile crimes, surely a surprise attack was well-deserved

If Germany had just not declared war on people nothing would have happened to it. Look at Spain, they were even sorta on Germany's side but nobody bothered them because they didn't attack anybody. Franco stayed in power for decades and no one ever did anything.

Heck the US never even did anything directly against the USSR, because the USSR never did anything directly against the US

All the Axis had to do was not attack people

>>16549159
How utterly warped is your view of reality that Germany, who declared war on literally all of Europe, is the victim of American aggression?

>>16549148
That came as no surprise to anybody. Germany was 9 months late in doing so, and likely did it because of Pearl Harbor.
>The Lend-Lease Act was signed into law on March 11, 1941, and ended on September 20, 1945. A total of$50.1 billion (equivalent to $801billion in 2023 when accounting for inflation) worth of supplies was shipped, or 17% of the total war expenditures of the U.S.nIn all, $31.4 billion went to the United Kingdom, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France, $1.6 billion to China, and the remaining $2.6 billion to other Allies.

>>16549435
England and France declared war on Germany, retard

>>16549416
Hitler did not mind his own business because he did not want for Germany what happened to Spain after WWII. The slow death of his people under the current international order. Yeah it lasted 30 more years, and maybe (unlikely) Hitler could have done the same, but he was convinced (rightly) that the USSR and international Jewry would not stop encroaching on Germany. Maybe the Spanish Civil War had something to do with that, as did the 1918 Spartacist Uprising and the Holodomor.

>>16548546
absolute chad
>>16548940
hitler killed tens of millions of White people in his stupid war for lebensraum.

>>16549486
So he chose to kill millions of his own people and destroy his own country before le ebil joos did the same?

>>16549448
Germany should have minded its own business rather than commiting an unprovoked attack against Poland

>>16548958
I feel like this is propaganda
>>16549148
Like this comment is for example
>>16549416
>US being unwilling to sell oil to Japan
The US embargoed Japan, and twisted the arms of mumtiple sputhbamerican nations AND the Netherlands into not selling to Japan either. Threats were even laid out to one of the SA nations.
>>16549435
Didnt america start the fight with germany and not the other way around?
>>16549598
This is ‘stop hitting yourself’ Tier

>>16549698
>The US embargoed Japan
>Don't do X and the oil will flow
>Japan does X
If Japan didn't want to be embargoed they shouldn't have invaded Indochina (that they did promise not to do)

>>16549598
No, he chose to preemptively take the USSR out of the equation before Lend Lease was expanded to reach its shores and his country strangled in a double envelopment. Stalin had his divisions in attack mode along the border with sparse defences. Hitler thought he could blitzkrieg it and almost did until he got bogged down. It was an unequal fight and a desperate move, 80% of the Wehrmacht logistics (artillery, baggage train, equipment etc.) was horse drawn.

>>16549720
>Stalin had his divisions in attack mode along the border
No he didn't, you dumbass.

>>16549443
Does "if you send things to people I declared war on then I'll declare war on you" sound reasonable to you?

>>16549486
>Hitler did not mind his own business because he did not want for Germany what happened to Spain after WWII.
Right, he wanted a giant empire instead and so he declared war on everyone.

>The slow death of his people under the current international order
Yeah bro, Hitler the fornicator and his right-hand man Himmler the adulterer with their army that has military brothels are going to rescue the world from degeneracy. VGH could have had such SOVL

>>16549698
>The US embargoed Japan
Does "Give us fuel to keep taking from China or else we'll take from YOU by force" sound reasonable to you? Are you justified in killing people because you want what they have?

>>16550159
Technically speaking America didn't care about China, it was only when French Indochina was threatened did the Americans give the warning.

>>16549728
>you dumbass
kvetching much? There were certainly a lot of Soviet troops, tanks, and planes all close to the border for some obscure Stalinesque reason.
https://militaryhistorynow.com/2021/05/09/stalins-gambit-did-the-soviets-plan-for-a-1941-offensive-war-against-nazi-germany/

>>16549416
Embargoing Japan for the crime of occupying territory of a neutral nation (Vichy) with zero room for negotiation, while doing the same thing by attacking neutral Vichy in 1942. Utterly incapable of diplomacy, just screeching at the Japanese to do what they want.
>Heck the US never even did anything directly against the USSR,
The US was pro-USSR. The US wanted a world divded between the USSR, USA and China. Nonsense example.
>All the Axis had to do was not attack people
How convenient, only the big boys should be able to have an active foreign policy, it's okay if the USSR, UK and USA invade anyone they want thought, that's different!

>>16549435
How retarded are you if you can't remember the part where Britain and France attacked Germany?

>>16549710
>Don't do X and the oil will flow
DO you even know what they were demanding? Complete withdrawal from China and French Indochina which is completely unacceptable. If they were reasonable or justified at all they'd accept some form of actual negotiation, but Americans have never actually understood the concept of diplomacy, all they know his how to screech and stamp their feet that the other party do exactly as they say.

>>16550151
>declaring war on people is a crime which is why I'm declaring war on you!
>and so he declared war on everyone.
It impresses me how utterly infantile you retards are. Genuinely.
>Hitler the fornicator and his right-hand man Himmler the adulterer
The absolute state of christfags on this board.

>>16549671
>unprovoked attack against Poland
Bait used to be believable

>>16550151
>Giant empire
Like what Great Britain and France had?
>degenerate behavior
Many such cases, lots of made up propaganda too, especially about Hitler. I will admit Himmler was on the weird side of things. Still a massive improvement over W*imar which was despised by everyone except for Jews.
It was do or die for Germany anyway, especially after 1918-1929 and whatever was going on in Ukraine that tankies still deny (1932-1933). Don't think that Strasser or anybody else had a chance. If not Hitler, there would have been another like him.

>>16550151
>if you send things to people
That's not how strategy works, it's not (or shouldn't be) so simplistic.
America's Lend-Lease was a war declaration in all but name. Hitler saw the writing on the wall but also saw a slight chance to pull it off when Pearl Harbor happened. Maybe he overestimated the Japanese who were having the same troubles he had (fuel).

>>16550692
>Embargoing Japan
You aren't entitled to other people's stuff. If they don't want to give it to you then you don't get to have it.

>neutral Vichy in 1942
Even the Axis didn't bother pretending that - remember Case Anton in 1942?

>The US was pro-USSR
Not five years later it wasn't! But they never did anything to them directly. Germany would have been the same.

>it's okay if the USSR, UK and USA invade anyone they want thought
Germany and Japan declared war on the USA. Japan murdered Americans out of the blue.

>>16550744
>That's not how strategy works, it's not (or shouldn't be) so simplistic
Yes it should be! It's very simple anon: don't attack other people. There, one simple strategy for Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan to avoid getting occupied. Works much better than their original one.

>Still a massive improvement over W*imar
How? Is there any evidence they actually managed to reduce the amount of degeneracy in any way? At most they replaced one vice with an even worse one. Degenerate things are bad because they harm people and nothing harms people more than outright killing them

>It was do or die for Germany anyway
Do what? Die how?

>Entire thread is Euros and Americans LARPing as Europeans seething about America

>>16549492
Hitler never once even used the word "Lebensraum" in any of his actual operations or policies during the conflict.
And no, Hitler did not send millions of Slavs or Anglos into the teeth of the Wehrmacht.
You are simply wrong.

>>16549148
nope.
The US was the first to sink German ships, the first to fire on German people, and the first to ship weapons to the enemies of Germany.

The United States did not formally declare war because they wanted to goad Germany into attacking them first so the congress wouldnt have to justify to its own people why they were dying an offensive war on the otherside of the planet.

>>16549435
>declared war on literally all of Europe
They "literally" declared war on Poland, a corrupt military junta, and then upon the USSR. This is not "all of Europe".
The British then in all their wisdom and intelligence caved to the demands of The Focus and declared war on Germany.

>>16548957
We are just tired of saving you retards from yourselves

>>16549671
>get proven wrong on the claim of Germany declaring war on "literally all of Europe"
>pivot to "yeah well Germany isnt allowed to do anything anyway"

Why are you like this?

>>16549728
yes he did, moron, declassified documents prove this and people at the time knew this as Stalin gave two speeches in August of 39 about the NECESSITY OF MARTIAL EXPANSION to further the Revolution beyond the borders of the USSR.

>>16550698
>which is completely unacceptable
Why? What right did Japan have to illegally invade China?

>>16550705
Show me the bomes of the dead Germans supposedly killed by Poles

>>16549448
Ah yes, the American states of England (you meant UK btw) and France

>>16550990
yes, it's common knowledge that Poland and the USSR were the only states ever that the Nazis attacked

>>16550751
>Germany would have been the same
nope
>Germany declared war on the USA
after the US was sinking German vessels LMFAO.
>Japan murdered Americans out of the blue
after the USA was shipping weapons to the enemy of Japan LOOOOOOL

You get into a fight, the guy's friend shows up and hands him a gun, that guy's friend is no longer a neutral party, and if kills you, he's an accomplice.

The USA is morally culpable.
Furthermore, we can see how the UK and USA have been completely subverted and now they suffer for their crimes, rather poetic really, the descendants of those Anglos who thought they could sneak their way into global power have been replaced in their own capitols.

>>16550983
>The US was the first to sink German ships
To my knowledge the very first ship either destroyed or attacked with loss of life was the USS Kearney, which was attacked by a German submarine, killing 11 people.

>the first to fire on German people
Germany was first to fire, in the Greer Incident

>the first to ship weapons to the enemies of Germany
If you declare war on people you don't get a moral high ground on them being your enemy

>they wanted to goad Germany into attacking them first
Easy way to thwart that plan: don't attack anybody

>>16551015
>nope
Everybody ignored Spain completely despite the fact it would have been much easier to invade than Germany. It would practically have been an afterthought like Romania

>after the US was sinking German vessels LMFAO
The first naval action between Germany and the US that saw either a vessel sunk or someone get killed was, to my knowledge, when a German submarine fired at the USS Kearny and killed 11 people

>after the USA was shipping weapons to the enemy of Japan
If you don't attack other people then it doesn't matter if they buy weapons

>You get into a fight, the guy's friend shows up and hands him a gun
You're clearly to blame here since you're the one who walked up and started stomping the guy's friend

>we can see how the UK and USA have been completely subverted
I have a blackpill for you. No one subverted the US, the UK, or Germany. All of them chose liberalism of their own free will.

>>16551091
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kearny
>On October 17, 1941, while the U.S. was still officially neutral in World War II, Kearny was docked at Reykjavík in Iceland, whose occupation had been taken over from the Allies by the Americans in July that year. A "wolfpack" of German U-boats attacked a nearby British convoy, and overwhelmed her Canadian escorts. Kearny and three other U.S. destroyers were summoned to assist.

>Immediately on reaching the action, Kearny dropped depth charges on the U-boats, and continued to barrage throughout the night. This action was specifically cited as a provocation in Hitler's declaration of war on the U.S. two months later.[5] At the beginning of the midwatch 17 October, a torpedo fired by U-568 struck Kearny on the starboard side, killing 11 and injuring 22 others. The crew confined flooding to the forward fire room, enabling the ship to get out of the danger zone with power from the aft engine and fire room. Regaining power in the forward engine room, Kearny steamed to Iceland at 10 knots (20 km/h), arriving 19 October. After temporary repairs Kearny got underway Christmas Day 1941, and moored six days later at Boston, Massachusetts, for permanent repairs.

>be neutral
>fight anyway
lol?

>if you dont attack people
Thats the thing, Germany didnt attack Britain. Britain and France declared war on Germany and France literally invaded Germany with 80 some divisions.
>stomping the guy's friend
dont let the Anglos hear you say that.
>No one subverted
L O O O L
The Focus was literally a lobbyist group of international jews dedicated to direct British foreign policy.
emannuel cellar was a jew who destroyed the US racial character.
>they chose liberalism
liberalism?
They were subverted by judaism.
also no, there was no vote on whether the British or Americans become minorities.

>>16551091
>if you declare war on people you dont get the moral high ground
its good that Germany didnt declare war on Britian or France then.
also
>dont attack anybody
Only Britain and the US are allowed to attack people right? Britain is allowed to attack the Boer and the Indic with impunity. The US is allowed to attack the Banana Republics and the Spanish.

Germany was defending its own people, juxtaposition this to the blatantly imperialistic attitudes of the British and the US.

>>16551144
how was germany defending their people against the poles
also how was it defending anyone against bolshevism when they were allied to the USSR in carving up poland and were so close that stalin wanted to join the axis at one point

>>16551151
Poles were oppressing the German minority and holding East Prussia hostage.
>allied to the USSR
They never had any formal alliance with the USSR, they had a temporary non-aggression pact which both sides knew was out of necessity and both sides prepared to break.
Furthermore, Hitler declared war on the USSR and was the greatest threat to the USSR.
>Stalin wanted to join the Axis
He should have, but the jews in Moscow were in touch with the jews in London.
Specifically litvinov was in touch with untermeyer who was in touch with baruch
That's Moscow to London to Washington.

You can see how this is a problem for the Germans, Russians, and Anglos who want to put aside their differences and build a better world together.

Of Litvinov
>Recalling Stalin's order, Molotov commented: "Thank God for these words! Jews formed an absolute majority in the leadership and among the ambassadors. It wasn't good."[100]

>>16550978
hitler never invaded poland then? never invaded the ussr?

>>16551389
are you going to tell me about how hitler was bombed in 1915 by bombers flying from sweden baruchtard

>>16551144
>>16551389
well thought out, informative, high quality, gem.
>>16551400
>>16551398
schizophrenic, ignorant, crass, coal

Friendly reminder that Germans living outside of Germany aren’t Hitler’s people and he has zero right to “protect” them.

>NO NO NO ONLY JEWS ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE ETHNIC LOYALTY

>>16548940
>>16548947
>>16548957
Embarrassing samefag

>>16550997
>what you mean to say realpolitik isnt about playing nice?

>>16551420
It's not even about that. The pure, stark truth is that Hitler pushed too far, too fast. There were many chances to cool down things for a decade or so at the very least before Sept 1939. Faggots are just contrarians to the nth degree so they shill for what they perceive to be the "underdog"

>>16551680
Hitlers economy was unsustainable and he invaded in order to pilage the riches of other countries and push the debts and economic hardships onto others

>>16550751
>You aren't entitled to other people's stuff.
Said stuff was stolen from others long ago, so you also have no moral highground with which to claim that nobody else can expand and take resources in the same way
>remember Case Anton in 1942?
What, the direct response to operation Torch? Dipshit
>Not five years later it wasn't
The cold war is the biggest meme in history. The USSR and USA were never real enemies beyond dick-measuring.
>Germany and Japan declared war on the USA.
Poor widdle usa dindu nuffin dey was just mindin dey own business when dem evil JAPANAZIS attacked for no reason at all!!!

>>16550994
Americans call it "saving" you when they wage genocidal war against you.
Americans are apes masquerading as human beings.
>>16551002
>imperialism for me, not for thee!

>>16551716
That's also true.

>>16551416
Self aggrandizing, arrogant and pointless trite.
Coal.

>>16549159
So how does this change the fact that Germany declared war on the US and not the other way around?

>>16549698
Are you one of those spergs who think that as long as they keep saying something then they are still "debating" and if the other people give up dealing with your retarded shit then you "win"? Common thing to see when I was teaching high school.

>>16550698
>Complete withdrawal from China and French Indochina which is completely unacceptable.
How so?

>>16551729
So what right did Japan have to illegally invade China?

>>16551793
What right did the US have to legally invade Mexico, hawaii, cuba, peurto rico, the phillipines, etc?
What right did the British have to invade malaysia, and the dutch to invade indonesia?
Your ideology that america gets to be the world police is built on hypocrisy and it is a joke.

>>16551774
How is Germany formalizing an ongoing undeclared war even significant?

>>16551789
Is this a real question?

>>16551802
Hawaii is the only dubious one there Juan

>>16551811
cope

>>16551814
No actual rebuttal, no denying his brown skin. Very sad to see

>>16551819
no actual rebuttal, just crying about mexicans for some reason
(americans are not white)

>>16551822
I never mentioned Mexico. Thanks for exposing yourself though

>>16548947
this is the difference between chud and chad

chud
>heh, I have no gf, why should I fight for da jooz, sex sex sex, I have never gotten my dick wet yet that is all I think about

chad
>wherever I am, I must kill all krautgroids, isn't it a lovely thing to live your life in excellence, to drive your enemies in terror before you in to the applause of the grateful Rusfolk following in your stead, I shall tell my sons my talks and inspire him to become a diplomat to Russia

>>16551001
>declassified documents
Can you show them?

>>16551835
you were only pretending to be retarded, is that it?

>>16551876
Talking to yourself in the mirror?

>>16551883
>strongest defense of america's actions in ww2

>>16551805
Because it led to 10 million American service members being drafted and a total mobilization of the American economy to war which wouldn’t have happened otherwise. Are you seething Nazshits incapable of cause and effect?

>>16551802
>whataboutismwhataboutismwhataboutism
Orc detected.

>>16551809
Yes and you do not seem capable of answering it.

>>16552129
>Only a few days before Pearl Harbor, the US' Rainbow 5 war plan leaks, which details the US goal of mobilizing a 10 million man army with a 5 million men expeditionary force to fight Germany in Europe by 1943
>which played out no differently than in actuality with the first actual fight between the Wehrmacht and the US Army was in fact 1943
For all this talk of seeing cause and effect perhaps you might do a better job at identifying the ACTUAL causes behind the effects you're identifying.

>>16552219
It isn't whattaboutism, because you need to provide an actual moral justification as to why America can serve as the world police against nations doing what they themselves have already done.
the only real answer is
>im big and strong so you have to do what i say
which ultimately just demonstrates to other nations that they are better off conquering and growing in power so they can be the one bossing other nations around instead
>>16552220
Not performing your critical thinking skills for you. Ask better questions and receive better answers.

>>16551135
>fight anyway
After the Greer Incident the US told them to stay away from their ships. If your submarine shoots at someone's boat they're going to want your submarines away from their boats

>Britain and France declared war on Germany
...because Germany declared war on Poland

>dont let the Anglos hear you say that
I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean

>The Focus was literally a lobbyist group of international jews dedicated to direct British foreign policy
Every cause has lobbyists. The people in every Western country vote for their leaders. They have degenerate liberalism because they want degenerate liberalism. The Germans today could easily vote for a party that would ban homosexuality and abortion but they don't because they don't care to.

There's no tyrant in charge forcing a certain party into power. The people choose and their choices are respected. Blackpill: they aren't supermen and their choices can be bad.

>>16551144
>Only Britain and the US are allowed to attack people right?
Classic whataboutism
I strongly condemn many of Britain and America's aggressive wars too

>>16552236
So you can't answer the question. Interesting. If the answer is so simple surely you can give a simple answer no?

>>16552236
>world police
Didn't happen until the fall of the Soviets.
>moral justification
They have a right to defend their allies from a warmongering autocracy. Again why couldn't Japan give up their plans of the conquest of China and Indochina along with other nations Asia and Pacific?

>>16552267
your entire argument amounts to "only america is allowed an independent foreign policy and everyone should just do what america wants"

>>16552231
>people could see how much of a belligerent retard hitler was even from across the pond
really makes you appreciate the complacency and peace-seeking of chamberlain in münich, even if ot was all for naught

>>16552281
>autism speaks

>>16552281
>defending an ally means they are your vassal.
Retards like you really do only see master slave relationships. No. Telling Japan to fuck off from their war against Americas friends doesn't make America the world police it is called looking out for an ally. Again what right does Japan have to invade sovereign places and expect 0 repercussions for it?

>>16552241
>stay away from their ships
They were, they were fighting ships from a nation they were at war with, the American destroyer then decided to join the fight, as a neutral nation.
>because Germany declared war on Poland
and? Germany didnt declare war on England and France.
Its whataboutism to say "b-b-but Poland"

Between England, France, and Germany, England and France were the aggressors.
>every cause has lobbyists
nope, and not every 'cause' has bribery, blackmail, and corruption at the highest level.
>they have liberalism because they want liberalism
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
They have repeatedly voted against it, in fact I believe the polisci dept at Oxford (?) did a study on if western voters actually got what they voted for and they found that something like 70% of the time voters got either something different or the opposite of what they voted for.

Literally the only study done on this particular topic of have Westerners voted for their demise, proves you wrong.
Westerners never voted for it, they voted against it and it was pushed on them.

No one voted for immigration into the US or UK
No one voted for desegregation in the US
no one voted for women or minority suffrage in the US or UK

>there's no tyrant in charge
a corrupt parliament is a tyrant, a corrupt president is a tyrant, anyone acting against The Will/Best interest of the people is a tyrant.
>Germans today could easily vote
Germany doesnt have free elections, their elections are overseen by the United States L O L

Stop posting.

>>16552241
>whataboutism
nope.
>I condemn britain and america's wars too
Why? Is warfare wrong? what morality do you ascribe to and why should anyone else care?
Warfare is a natural occurance.

Universal to humans is Just War, humans uniformly like wars which are fought for the right reasons.
You're not an invalid are you? So why do you deviate from the healthy average in this particular way?

also, your condemnation would mean Germany has the moral supremacy over the allies and therefore you can not argue Germany was 'the bad guy' you can only argue Germany was committing lesser crimes relative to their opposition.

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>>16551863
Yes
4trans thinks it is spam so you'll have to type it out yourself.

>>16551811
>>16551819
>>16551835
you have no argument so you jump to racial attacks because you think chuds will magically take your side because you believe racism is some kind of knee jerk rather than the product of experience.


you are a clown

>>16551735
but not incorrect
>>16551674
>backpedals to justification
concession accepted.
The West has no moral highground from WWII, it was just self interest.
glad we can agree.
now lets absolve ourselves of this holocaust fiction once and for all.

>>16551716
>>16551730
>economy was unstable
nope.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_on_Manufactures
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Gallatin

it worked for the Americans.
this is what the four year plans and MEFOs were based on, why wouldnt it work then as it did before?

>>16552596
>the American destroyer then decided to join the fight
They didn't shoot at or otherwise attack anybody

>and?
If you attack somebody and other people step in to help them, you aren't a victim, you are a victimizer that people are trying to stop

>nope, and not every 'cause' has bribery, blackmail, and corruption at the highest level.
Is anyone currently in power in these countries who was placed there by Jews without democratic input?

The countries are democracies. They get what they vote for. They WANT Liberalism and that's why they have it.

>They have repeatedly voted against it
In America the last four presidential elections they've chosen Democrats three times

>I believe the polisci dept at Oxford (?) did a study on if western voters actually got what they voted for and they found that something like 70% of the time voters got either something different or the opposite of what they voted for
So your argument is "I think someone (can't remember who) did a study that said people actually want conservative stuff"? Can you be more specific?

>No one voted for immigration into the US or UK
Technically true for the most part but misleading since you vote for people and parties rather than on specific issues (with some notable exceptions). People vote for Leftist parties and politicians and the policy package that entails.

>a corrupt parliament is a tyrant, a corrupt president is a tyrant
By "tyrant" I meant unelected ruler. You might dislike these figures but the fact is they're what the people choose. They're ruled by Leftists because they want to be ruled by Leftists.

>Germany doesnt have free elections, their elections are overseen by the United States
What are you talking about?

>>16552602
>>16552602
>nope.
Saying "other people do bad things so my bad things aren't bad" is the definition of whataboutism.

>Why? Is warfare wrong
Aggression for the sake of taking someone else's stuff because they don't want to give it to you certainly is.

>what morality do you ascribe to and why should anyone else care?
The true morality: humans were created by God to be a family. Everyone should care because any wrong you do to anyone will anger their father and your father

>Warfare is a natural occurance.
"Natural" is one of those words that hardly even means anything. Intestinal worms are natural too but we sure want to rid the world of those.

>wars which are fought for the right reasons
Wanting what somebody else has isn't one of those reasons

>why do you deviate from the healthy average
I don't understand what you're saying here

>your condemnation would mean Germany has the moral supremacy over the allies
How do you figure?

>>16551726
>Said stuff was stolen from others long ago
Who did the US steal oil from?

>the direct response to operation Torch
...which made official what was already obvious that Vichy France was controlled by the Axis

>The USSR and USA were never real enemies beyond dick-measuring
That's my entire point! If Germany hadn't overtly started invading anybody then it could have been the same. Or like Spain even, where there was barely any friction at all.

>Poor widdle usa dindu nuffin dey was just mindin dey own business when dem evil JAPANAZIS attacked for no reason at all!!!
Yes, unironically this is the correct view of history

>>16552705
They attacked the UBoats actually.
>you are a victimizer
L O L
>end a tyrannical belligerent regime fighting to actually victimize the defenseless
>this makes you a victimizer
laughable.
>placed there by jews without democratic input
Firstly, yes, the former PM of England was, an actual jew was placed as the head of US immigration and this jew abuses his position of power to further the aims of the hebrew society for immigration aid.
Secondly, its much easier, you just bribe or coerce whoever is in power, that way it doesnt matter who wins and the people have the illusion of democracy.
>they are democracies
they are demonstrably not democracies.

>they want liberalism
why do you keep bringing up "liberalism" there is no such thing as "liberalism" in reality.
In reality exists immigration policy implementation, there is no such thing as "liberalism".
"lIberalism" is a catchall for ostensibly progressive ideas, this means it is constantly shifting in meaning, unlike specific policies.
>conservative vs liberal
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Please, tell me where people voted for immigration, becoming a minority, and having their country unconditionally support a genocidal terrorist regime?

What part of "liberalism" necessitates any of the above?
ill wait

>>16552766
>They attacked the UBoats actually.
After it fired

>a tyrannical belligerent regime fighting to actually victimize the defenseless
Who? What were they doing?

>the former PM of England was
How did he get into power?

>an actual jew was placed
By who?

>you just bribe or coerce whoever is in power
Regular Leftists nobody would ever bother to spend a penny bribing all want the same things as the people on the top

>they are demonstrably not democracies
So demonstrate

>"lIberalism" is a catchall for ostensibly progressive ideas
Which is why I'm using the word. It's weird you would object to it and then say it means what I'm using it for

>tell me where people voted for immigration, becoming a minority, and having their country unconditionally support a genocidal terrorist regime?
People vote for individuals and parties rather than special policy issues, generally speaking.

>>16552784
Just so you know, you're arguing with /his/ biggest autist.
Hes known around here to basically scavange the board for any thread remotely associated with Germany.
You can easily tell who he is because he chainpost and quote-spamm almost every post in the thread from start to finish just to nay say anything and everything everyone says.
He also typically spams ?????????????????????????????? just to annoy you and to release his own autism.

His strategy isnt to make sense, just to tire you out so he can claim "win". It's like arguing with a 9/11 conspiracy theorist or jehovas witness because hes just gonna nay-say everything with whatever he feels like.
It's the kind of rationale that ultimately makes you believe that only violence can settle the debate, which actually helps understanding why ww2 broke out.

>>16552810
>which actually helps understanding why ww2 broke out.
Honestly this is kinda my experience since the more he's said so far the less sympathy I feel for the German position

The feeling I get from his take is that it's a "the strong shall take what they wish" sort of reasoning but simultaneously coupled with deep resentment at not actually being the strongest

>>16552738
>the correct view is imperialist superpowers get to do whatever they want and the underdog is always wrong

>>16549416
The US strong-armed the UK and Netherlands into not selling oil to Japan. To sell oil to Japan, they made ridiculous demands that would have destroyed Japan as a world power, leaving it dependent on the US ever after. Not having oil meant, for example, that Tokyo could not get rid of its night soil, and most Japanese cities smelt strongly of shit until oil could be acquired once again. It also meant that eventually the Japanese navy would be unable to sortie to defend the country if America attacked unprovoked as it had in 1898.
This was all to protect the rights of Vichy France to colonize Indochina. A country which Japan did not annex or liberate, merely put soldiers in with the consent of the government.

>>16552861
Germany declared war on both of the superpowers. The superpowers fought Germany at German request lol

>>16552863
Sorry mate but you aren't entitled to other people's oil just because you really really want it

>>16552784
>after it fired
nope.
>Immediately on reaching the action, Kearny dropped depth charges on the U-boats, and continued to barrage throughout the night. This action was specifically cited as a provocation in Hitler's declaration of war on the U.S. two months later.[5] At the beginning of the midwatch 17 October, a torpedo fired by U-568 struck Kearny on the starboard side, killing 11 and injuring 22 others.
Kearny showed up, began firing on German vessels, then at midnight was struck by a Torpedo.
>Who
Poles and Czechs
>what were they doing
trying to genocide/oppress German minorities.
>how did he get into power
saved by jewish finance so he wouldnt have to retire.
>who
Mayorkas
>regular leftists
>leftism is when you commit national suicide
is it?
>when it means what I am using it for
We arent discussing liberalism, we are discussing specific policies, you brought up liberalism because its easy for you to pivot away from the concrete and therefore shift the discussion into a grey area.

There is no grey area.

No one voted for immigration, suffrage, replacement, or foreign aid.
A vote for leftism is not a vote for these.
>people vote for individuals
no, they vote for platforms, the individuals elected according to the study overwhelmingly abandon their platform once elected.

This is not a democracy.

>>16552875
American citizens would have gladly sold oil to Japan, had the American government not intervened to stop them. Same with the British and Dutch governments.
It's obvious that strong elements of the FDR government were looking for war with Japan. American policy doesn't make sense otherwise.

>>16552810
>>16552840
>Germany defends ethnic Germans
>"this is clearly might makes right"

>Imperial West does whatever it wants with whoever it wants
>"Clearly these are the morally correct powers"

Who's the show for?
Who's the target audience here?

>>16552889
>American citizens
>had the American government not intervened to stop them
Who put that government there?

>>16552870
nope.
Germany never declared war on them, they invaded Germany and declared on Germany first.

>>16552840
Thats the point. He will tip-toe his position in whatever favors Germanys narrative. Theres nothing concrete, he will never effort-post, hes just going to spam-quote to nay-say everything and that's his only position.

>>16552891
An array of wildly corrupt political machines from Alabama to Chicago

>>16552890
>>Germany defends ethnic Germans
From what?

>>16552903
How'd they do it?

>>16552892
...what? Give me the dates Germany went to war with the US and USSR and the dates either of them invaded Germany

>>16552907
Kneecapping, ballot-box-stuffing, fake contracts and jobs for political workers, impossible literacy tests with reliable Democrats grandfathered in, etc.

>>16552939
What was the proportion of legitimate votes to fraudulent votes?

>>16552891
Not the American people because they voted for reform, not for foreign war.

>>16552943
Why don't you tell me how many votes for DMK were legitimate lol. If the con works you never know; plus, there are other important elements to the political machine.
* Funding people to constantly agitate for the party
* Controlling the media
* Preventing unfriendly people from conducting political activities
* If you're really confident in your legal immunity, preventing unfriendly people from voting. Which American political machines actually did lol

Why are Americans so obsessed with having won a war against a nation the size of Texas while having half the world on their side as their government replaces them with latinxes and plans to steal their wealth? Did civil rights actualy mind break them?

>>16552840
Also, if you ever consider their argument that it was Britains assurance to Poland which caused ww2 because it made the Poles refuse to negotiate, you begin to understand what they are actually saying: The negotiations were fine as long as Poland was too weak to assert its own interests and basically had to comply or be destroyed. The problem with the assurance from Britain, was that Poland was no longer some isolated weaker nation ready to be plucked, and that Poland should have understood that they needed to align with Germany to survive. It's the sort of might-makes-right that turns into resentment as soon as they arent the mightiest.

Poland would have prefered not to negotiate with Germany at all after what happened to Czechia, but couldnt outright refuse for the threat of invasion. The guarantee gave Poland the chance to actually do what they really wanted to do and thats where the Hitler-apologist seething start.


Now watch him quote my post and break it down word-by-word of nay saying instead of ever writing any consructive post on his own position.

>>16552905
pogroms.

>>16552986
>Britain puts together an anti-German pact
>corrupt governments are given free reign to do whatever they want

Why is this good?

You dont understand might makes right.
Might makes right is a post hoc justification based on a kind of last man standing.
Might makes right is NOT: comply with our request to stop murdering people, extirpating people, and pogroming innocents - that is NOT might makes right.

Germany was negotiating with good intent and good faith with Poland.
Poland was not negotiating with good intent and good faith with Germany, this is why the British assurances are morally untenable, because they were guaranteeing a morally incorrect position.

As I have said before, you are an amateur, you are always posting out of turn and you consistently think at the lowest level of analysis.

Stop posting in these threads. They only cause you mental anguish.

>>16552986
>>16553081
I feel I didnt make it clear enough.

Might makes right is not "comply or else".
That is not might makes right, you think that's what it is.
This is wrong.

Might makes right is ironically what The West does when they say "Well, Where's Hitler now?" the idea being "We remain, our enemy does not, therefore we are correct" - That is might makes right.
Not what Germany did.

>>16553081
Except

1. No one was being murdered and the whole genocide of ethnic Germans was nothing but propaganda since absolutely no one has found any evidence of it. Not even David Irving believes in it because there is no evidence of any genocide.

2. There was nothing that compelled Hitler to achieve his demands specifically in 1939 so he may as well have waited and pressed negotiations at a better time. The fact that he wouldnt compromise his position is the reason ww2 broke out because it proved the fearmongerers right in Britain that Germany would stop for nothing. Regardless of Hitlers actual intentions, he was sending the wrong signals.

3. It is absolutely understandable that Poland didnt want to negotiate with Germany in 1939 as it was only a few months after Czechoslovakia had imploded from accepting German demands.
The Poles were worried that it was Danzig today, the corridor tomorrow, Poznan and other areas with a sizeable German minority next week, until finally, Poland would be in a position where Germany could make up any excuse to subdue the entire nation. One of Germanys demands in the 1939 negotiations was the Poland submit itself to a German league, which could very well be interpretated as another attempt of Czechia.
Hitler did not wait a minute between Czechia and Poland, and thats what caused the alarm both in Warsaw and London. He didnt allow any time for the diplomatic channels to cool down after slapping Britain on the already highly controversial munich agreement.

Your whole narrative is to try to excuse Hitler at every possible turn with the whole assumption that Hitler is always right and Hitler must get what he wants and anyone who doesnt make that happen is the reason for any situation Hitler creates.

Instead of simply backing down and seek an alternative option to war.

>>16552840
That's exactly the way it is
>Muh Germany was the divine nation to rule Europe
>Through American pity they managed to do that indirectly
>They shit up the continent
It's very telling (but also not surprising) that most Pro-nazi ww2 are 3rd worlder shitskins, and not because they really care about Germany, but because they want to dunk on Le West (read Anglo-French and America ofc)
There are also actual delusional Germans but at least you can understand them as coping nationalists.

>>16552861
>Germany wasnt the official superpower of the age therefore we should view it as David vs Goliath!
The fucking state of you. If there was a God, he would kill you on the spot.

>>16553125
>no one was being murdered
wrong, this happened in both Poland and the Sudetenland.
Poland making life unlivable for the ethnic Germans in Poland is a genocide as defined by Article II section C of the Second Geneva Convention.
>Hitler should have waited
Britain and France were already looking for reasons to go to war with Germany with their numerous provocations and unreasonable demands.
>Germany would stop for nothing
What right does Britain have to deny German intervention on behalf of German people in an Eastern European state far far from Britain?
>sending the wrong signals

what does this even mean?
The British foreign policy was heavily influenced if not critically influenced by organized jewry via untermeyer.
Furthermore the British fears were entirely irrational.
>Germany will stop at nothing
Germany would stop at Versailles, which was their stated goal.
But rescinding Versailles was too much.

Why exactly couldnt Britain allow Versailles to be rescinded?

>it is understandable Poland is entirely belligerent and wont even permit a road from Germany to a German province
?????
>the Poles were worried Germany would just take their whole country
You mean their fake country created solely to punish Germany - which itself was built on conquest, you didnt know Poland fought two wars of aggression against its neighbors in 1920 until right now as you read it in this post.

Poland was a rogue state. If any state behaved like this on the wrong side of British interests Britain would throw them into concentration camps like they did the Boers and jeets.

There is no moral position defending British, Polish, or Czech action. Germany was a liberator undoing unjust and cruel restraints, and reigning in people they were within living memory were responsible for.

It would be like if a set of American states broke away and decided to deny any negotiation with the federal government, and then began occupying federal forts when negotiation broke down.

>>16553150
Poles like (you) also count as shitkins, white negroes so to speak. The only way Germany ruined Europe is by giving free money to your shithole so it can frink American nigger communist cum all day.

>>16552890
>Using a nice pretext means anything goes
At that point why keep the pretext faggot?

>>16553158
Ah, an actual German or a 3rd worlder turd?
I am European, though not Pole.

>>16553154
It was Germany against 45% of the planet in 1939 and then Germany against 85% of the planet in 1942 onward.

Britain and France were more than double Germany's GDP 1937, the US just under 3x Germany's GDP, and the USSR a peer with Germany in GDP, this is not even mentioning the "neutrals" who supported The West.

>>16553168
if they were so weak then maybe they shouldn't have chimped out lol

>>16553168
Ah yes, that's why they invaded Norway, Poland, Czechia, Yugoslavia, Greece, perform atrocities against the Italian civilians while on the retreat post 1943....
Because these people were le evil capitalists and superpowers of the age!

>>16553150
>Germany must rule Europe
who are you quoting?
>Germany ruined it anyway
????
Germany united Europe despite losing two world wars and being partitioned twice.
If there ever was a master-race, it would look like that.

Sorry if you feel insecure.

>nazis
>thirdies
>deutschboomer

I am, American, English, Old Money, and Germany is superior to everyone in Europe but a select few elites like the Scots and Swedes.

>>16553160
>anything goes
Why must you paint Germany as doing anything it wants when it had very clear transparent and very morally justifiable goals?
>"Hey, Czechs, Stop murdering my family or we are going to stop you"
>WTF YOU CANT JUST DO ANYTHING YOU WANT

>>16553175
>Germany united Europe
No, America did. Then again, I did forget that contrarian USA tards do suck off their retarded cousins across the pond.

>>16553180
Show us sources of le alleged killings and suppressions. Along with funerals, graves and of course, the bones. For both Czechia and Poland.

>>16553180
I have noticed that you didn't post a single bome, not even a pinky toe
may I see the bomes?

>>16553171
Poles gonna Pole I guess.
>>16553172
>Norway
british violated Norwegian neutrality first a day before the Germans did.
>Poland
rogue state which was holding a German province hostage
>Czechia
literally genociding Germans according to the Runciman report in accordance with Article II section C of the second Geneva Convention.
>Yugoslavia
That was Italy.
>Greece
That was also Italy but the British had no problem bombing the Greeks such as those in the Grand Bretagne when the Greeks exercised too much autonomy.

>people get hurt in le war
>this means anything the corrupt judeo-Anglo empires are vindicated in doing whatever they want
Whoah I never thought of it that way

>>16553192
And yet, only one's side army roamed around in neutral countries with the sole exception of the USSR in Finland, which was a moral and political clusterfuck of all kinds, but in which Germany somehow, miraculously one might dare say, found itself trying to play both sides!

>>16553185
all america did was destroy germany for the 73 jews behind roosevelt both fdr and churchill were owned by jews like a pair of kippas

>>16553185
>America did
America isnt head of the EU.
>>16553188
>>16553189
It's all in the Runciman report, which is an official state document, this is more evidence than what is presented for the millions gassed in the auschy laundromat LMFAO.

We are still waiting for you to produce evidence of 40 beheaded babies, or wait... did the people who peddle the holocaust fiction lie about that as well?

Why do these people just lie and lie?
What is it with this trading post race lying to everyone and exaggerating everything?

>>16553180
germany had every right to dissolve the fake semitic czech state

>>16553198
>On the one hand, le evil jews run everything in the judeo anglo west
>On the other we wuz konungrs of Europe
Do you really want Germans to take blame for the failed policies of the EU?

>>16553196
England violated neutrality more than Germany.

>>16553164
Choose your poison:
>walloon (the negroes of belgium)
>czech (southern white negroes)
>nordic (extremely misguided/diasporoid, probably on government payroll)
>balkanite (nuff said)

>>16553206
>Sudetenland notwithstanding

>>16553205
>do you want
what do you mean? The facts are what they are.
Germany is responsible for the EU. Germany is still an occupied country and literally pays tribute to israel.
But it will never be Poland heading the EU and no one would ever trust Poles to head the EU.
Poles will instead get state mandated abortions and african migrants (exclusively male).

>>16553207
And you are what, outside of a brown contrarian "underdog" cocksucker? Balkanite btw.

>>16553213
>Balkanite btw.
Knew it kek. You are 56% Turkish, a bit too early to be calling a Northern Italian non-white.

>>16553212
>the hitlerist spammer is also a blacked.com connoisseur

>>16553209
>but this one country
yes, Germany violated neutrality, but they did it less often and in the case of the Sudetenland for morally better reasons than England.

Let me guess, you are obsessed with the idea of 'perfection' right?
You only care insofar as Germany is redeemed in the eyes of the public, you for whatever reason cant let that happen.

who do we need to fool in this thread? Germany wasnt perfect even when Hitler was in charge, but they were LEAGUES ahead of the judeo-bolsheviks and judeo-mercantilists outside their border.

Hitler was maybe the greatest statesmen 'Faustian' Civilization ever produced.

>>16553221
Ah, are you one of those fabled white people of North Italy? I would reckon an Italian would rather be a localist than claim a fake "white" identity, but then again, I am not as obsessed with issues like this as you are.

>>16553224
>point out african migration is bad
>jew immediately goes to lanskyposting
L O L
Its that afro-asiatic blood from the bronze age sudanese taking their women during their stint in Egypt.

>>16553226
The problem isnt about making Germany perfect or accusing them of their lack of perfection thereof
The point is that there is a vast gap between actual reality and going: "well Germany wasnt perfect, sure, but what about muh judeo England/Russia/Usa/Poland"
Maybe if instead of trying to salvage the unsalvageable and shitting up your own cause, you should focus on pragmatic and good will intraEU policies that arent suicidal.
But that's apparently impossible with Germans.
Who was the one obsessed with Russian gas and other such things just because?

>>16553233
>trying to 'no u' a case of 'doth protest too much'
Nice try Hans.

>>16553228
>Ah, are you one of those fabled white people of North Italy?
Yes, those that controlled Adriatic, Aegean and Pannonian trade for centuries.
>I would reckon an Italian would rather be a localist
My locale fought with Germany during WW2 you dumb retard.
>than claim a fake "white" identity
You're the one who accused me of being brown first, an identity as "fake" as white (not very). And this goes beyond simple White identitarianism.
>I am not as obsessed with issues like this as you are
If by "issues like these" you refer to Germany, that's a lie because you post in quite literally every single Germany thread. If by it you refer to racial issues, that's a lie because you immediately called everyone supporting Germany a "turd worlder shitskin", an insult someone not involved in these affairs wouldn't know. Let me guess further, are you Greek or Bulgarian (Macedonian is included)?

>>16553265
I am Greek yes.
Perhaps many people echo similar views and sentiments for a reason?

>>16553239
Hitler was the most popular man in Europe until the literal organized jewry began trying to take him out.
In fact even today if you were to completely remove the holocaust religion from Europe Hitler would likely be among everyone’s top 10 Europeans and would easily top their favorite five from the 1900s.

>>16553289
The problem isnt that Hitler didnt go good things for Germany at the start. The problem is what he did against other people.

>>16553157
>Poland making life unlivable for the ethnic Germans in Poland is a genocide
Nothing that happened in Poland was a genocide, and Hitler proclaimed that ethnic Germans were being massacred, for which theres no evidence for even in 2024.
Hitler-apologists have no ground to stand on

>Britain and France were already looking for reasons to go to war with Germany
Hence why Britain allowed the Rhineland militarization and ceded Sudetenland. Hitler-apologist have no ground to stand on.

>What right does Britain have to deny German intervention
What right did Germany have to write off Finland to communism which directly caused 50.000 Finnish casualties?
Hitler-apologist have no ground to stand on.

>The British foreign policy was heavily influenced if not critically influenced by organized jewry via untermeyer.
So Germany giving guarantees to Morocco in 1905 that they will start a world war if France invades Morocco was also jewish subversion?
Hitler-apologists have no ground to stand on.

Also, just because you dont understand diplomacy doesnt mean everything is explained with jewish subversion. Sending the right signals is the very definition of diplomacy. Even Hitler understood this but Ribbentrop assured him the opposite.

>Germany would stop at Versailles, which was their stated goal.
Taking Czechia was not part of Versailles where they nationalized the Czech industry and confiscated the Czech gold reserve and absorbed the Czech armanent into the wehrmacht.
This is where the bad signaling of your intentions starts regardless of your intentions.
Hitler-apologists have no ground to stand on.

>?????
This is a certificate that you're a faggot.

>Why exactly couldnt Britain allow Versailles to be rescinded?
Idk bro, Why couldnt Germany allow France to exit the war in 1870 with no repocutions and allow Russia to exit the war in 1917 with no repocutions?
Hitler-apologists have no ground to stand on.

>>16553157
Poland was created before Germany was if you look into actual precursors of their modern nations.

>>16553312
Unironically it was the Germans themselves who created Poland in 1917 but the faggot doesnt want to mention that because it damage his innocent Hitler narrative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Poland_(1917%E2%80%931918)

Most of the territory Germany lost to Poland was lost even before the Versailles treaty was signed, and Germany was even rewarded territory is Silesia and Prussia because the treaty of Versailles included plebiscites, something which upset France a lot. He of course will not mention this because it damage his narrative of 'muh harsh Versailles'.

>>16553293
he fought a war of self defense against jews and their sock puppets roosevelt and winnie were both walking mennorahs

>>16553323
The 1871 treaty was proportionally harsher against France than Versailles was against Germany, and Germany was defacto allowed to cancel some debts anyway

>>16553325
With defenders like Hitler who needs aggressors.

>>16553336
what do you know about hitler aside from semitic inspired propaganda

>>16553336
how well would you do if jews were using the entire british empire to wage war on you ?

>>16553341
>>16553347
Anyone pretending that Hitler didnt have enough gains to just call it a day for a generation or so and tackle the Poland/Gdansk issue later (after the so called Bolshevik menace was dealt with! Did you larpers forget that Hitler allegedly had them marked as the biggest spook?) is just an imperialist and a 2nd league at that, and is coping by doing whatboutism with England/France/USA
>be anti commie
>use fake propaganda to attack the only anti commie nation that fought the USSR recently

>>16553347
Ah yes, every single British member of parlament who voted to go to war against Germany were subverted by jews.
And every Canadian member of parlement who who voted to go to war against Germany were subverted by jews.
Jews had such an influence over Britain and her dominions yet couldnt stop the British from passing the 'White paper' which tried to stop jewish immigration to Palestine and had Britain aiding the arab states in the 1948 war.

>>16553362
winston churchill would have been living in a cardboard box had it not been for american jews....https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1987/01/27/churchills-rescue-from-ruin/efff4a31-1473-45d6-8e8f-226f1d977310/

>>16553362
At the end of the day, he confronted Baruch in tears. He was, he said, a ruined man. Chartwell {Churchill's estate} and everything else he possessed must be sold; he would have to leave the House of Commons and enter business Churchill, he said, had lost nothing. Baruch had left instructions to buy equivalent stocks every time Churchill sold his and to sell whenever Churchill bought. Winston had come out exactly even because, he later learned, Baruch even paid the commissions...OWNED LIKE HANNUKAHH TABLE PIECE

>>16553366
And Churchill wasnt a dictator. The entire parlament voted to go to war, and Churchill could not have done a damn thing about it. In fact, had Churchill tried to sue for peace, it is likely that Attlee would have withdrawn his support completely.

>>16553362
americans dont want to go die in iran for israel but since AIPAC owns congress here we are on the brink of it because why? subversion by jews the same shit that caused jews war 2

>>16553378
even chamberlain admitted jews wee the root cause of the conflict

>>16553378
jews expected one thing out of winnie......keep the war going until fdr and his gang of jews can get dumb americans into it

>>16553378
they didnt realize they had voted to bankrupt their entire worldwide empire and become a geopolitical joke

>>16553068
Pogroms by who specifically?

>>16553390
>>16553395
*citation needed*

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>>16548546
>actually fights for the good guys in WW2
>gets stuck behind a disabled cannon
>fights off Soviet attacks on his own for 3 days
>Germans counter-attack and rescue him
>he's surrounded by over 100 dead Soviets
>gets a Knight's Cross and lunch with Hitler

>>16553808
google forestall diaries

>>16553293
Nothing?
Hitler was only disliked by Poles after he invaded Poland. Prior it was only the corrupt government that disliked him. He was maybe the most popular German in Poland for attending Pilsudskis funeral.
>>16553302
as I have already stated, the Runciman report vindicates Hitler in the Sudetenland.
The Poles making life unlivable for Germans in Germany qualifies as a genocide according to Article II section C of the Geneva convention which everyone at the time was well aware of.
>Britain allowed Germans into other parts of Germany therefore Britain was charitable
Yes how magnanimous Britain was denying Germans access to parts of Germany.
Why was Britain doing this? To arrest the Restoration of Germany. There is no other reason but this for this indefensible behavior.
Hitler is vindicated.
Britain has no right to arbitrate or oversee or instruct other countries far outside of their sphere of influence.
Britain also did these things because the British public was completely against their government intervening.
The British public were even sympathetic to Hitler and the Germans up until war was declared. Source - Peter Nicols’ Britain’s Blunder

>what right did Germany have to not intervene on Finlands behalf
Finland is entitled to German support? (Which the Germans gave them anyway in the continuation war LOL)
Nice try.
Britain has no right to tell Germany how to police the local Slavic mafias. Hitler - Vindicated.

>Germany in 1905 did something the French didn’t like when Hitler was 15 therefore Hitler is wrong and the jews were involved
What does this even mean?
The Kaiser shouldn’t have tried to stir anything in the French sphere of influence. Also it was a completely different time and different political landscape. France and Germany were both imperial powers and France wasn’t justified in their North African action.
morally grey dispute. personally I think the Kaiser should have stayed out of it.
This has nothing to do with Hitler.

>>16553302
>you don’t understand diplomacy therefore you accuse jewish subversion
No, because we understand diplomacy we can observe and analyze jewish subversion.
A month ago you were in denial that jewish influence even existed, now you are down to denying not even the influence but the level of influence on certain figures, because the jewish subversion is ubiquitous and at the highest level.

>Reintegrating the Czechs into the German speaking world isn’t undoing Versailles
It is literally the undoing of Versailles.
>brings up the Franco-Prussian war to say Hitler bad

This buck has been thoroughly broken.
Mossad send me another, and make it snappy I grow bored of these apes.

>>16554190
>lunch with Hitler
why punish him like that?

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>>16553323
This is the Poland you are referring to btw.
This is not the Poland Hitler was dealing with. This particular Poland you refer to was not built on Poles invading their neighbors and holding other ethnic groups hostage.
>most was lost before Versailles
Nope.
Compare pic to a map of post Versailles Poland.
>>16553326
Nope. France want partitioned in every direction, France didn’t have its leadership held as war criminals, and France as a national body wasn’t torpedoed economically, politically, and militarily, nor did France have an anti-French block established around it, nor was France the subject of artificial famine.

>>16553355
Some people get “it” some don’t.
You do not. It’s not about this left vs right capitalism or communism. It’s about being free of the international jewish mafia.
A nation can survive communism a nation can survive capitalism no one can survive jewish subversion.

>>16553362
>it’s either every member of parliament or it didn’t happen
Why are you like this?
Why the all or nothing view?
I know why.

You aren’t allowed to admit even a hint of jewish influence was at play. You are literally instructed to make any hint of jewish influence seem absurd by overplaying it to absurd levels so you can say “see your argument about jewish subversion is nonsense because you didn’t reach the arbitrary criteria of 100%” (a level of jewish control israel itself did not even have until 1980.

Prove me wrong.
Admit there was jewish subversion influencing at least some part of the British state at the higher levels.

>>16548947
He's Dixie.

>>16549698
You are some kind of euro tard.

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>>16554190
For me it’s Gaius Mucius Reborn in a random guido on the eastern front

>>16552582
>china
>america's ally
oh I am laughing, they were a business opportunity which they promptly dropped when it mean preventing a communist takeover of the place. Their main concern was fucking over Japan more than anything.

>>16552738
>Who did the US steal oil from?
Do you think America just popped into existence overnight, from sea to shining sea?
>...which made official what was already obvious that Vichy France was controlled by the Axis
Except it wasn't, until the Americans made it clear they'd violate their neutrality. Same bs justification for the allies to invade iran, kek
>having a dispute with Poland is "overtly attacking everybody"
If Britain didn't feel the need to violate the neutrality of any country it could, there'd be no need to involve them.
>Yes, unironically this is the correct view of history
You believe this because you belong to the category of 'undesirable' persecuted by the nazis, who live rent free in your head.

>>16548940
Lmao, you were waging a genocidal war against my people you fuckhead. Oh, and I'm not even jewish lmao.

>>16555692
China? Who said anything about China, I am talking about European colonies Japan illegally invaded

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>>16548940
>genocidal war against Europeans on the side of Bolshevism.

But enough about early war Germany

>>16554337
>France want partitioned in every direction
Because they didn't declare war on half the planet.
>France didn’t have its leadership held as war criminals
Neither had Germany.
>wasn’t torpedoed economically
They had to pay a lot of money.
>politically
They became a republic and had a communist upsrising. Sounds familiar?
>militarily
Again, they weren't a threat to half the world.
>nor did France have an anti-French block established around it
What anti-German bloc was established after WWI, huh?

>>16554337
The point is that Poland wasnt created by the victorious powers which was the basis of your bullshit Hitler-apologist narrative. Poland was created by the Germans as a means to take territory from Russia and set up a puppet buffer state to cripple Russia
Sounds familiar? I bet it does, because that's literally your Hitler-apologist narrative on Poland but from the opposite spectrum. The Germans were using Poland in the exact same strategic manner to Russia as you accuse the western allies of using Poland against Germany

Your only problem with this is that the plan backfired.
It's the kind of hypocritical seething the anon pointed out earlier, a mix of resentment and pride on Germanys would-be position that they were supposedly entitled to


>This particular Poland you refer to was not built on Poles invading their neighbors and holding other ethnic groups hostage
It actually was. The whole point of this Polish state was to act in conjunction and legitimize the Best-Litvosk treaty, look at a map of Brest-Litovsk and tell me thats not millions of Russia now living outside of Russia

Also, this /pol/faggot narrative completely ignores that Germany had an equal amount of ethnic Poles living in Germany as there were ethnic Germans living in Poland, but stormfaggot narrative traditionally ignores this fact because heckling poor Germanrinoos

>most was lost before Versailles
>Nope.
Yes they were. The largest chunk if territory was militarily lost to Polanad before Versailles was signed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland_uprising_(1918%E2%80%931919)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Uprisings

Also, Poland was legitimized some land because it had a majority Polish population, hence it had both a legal and moral justification and not just Vae Victis because Chuds jump on the same uneducated bandwagon as normies and keeps parroting how harsh Versailles was.
How many plebiscites do you think the Germans allowed to justify Brest-Litovsk treaty?

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>>16554372
>You are literally instructed

LMAO so now I AM under jewish influence?
Is this /pol/ now where we are just going to accuse everyone of being a kike if they dont submit to the echo chamber despite making sense? Fuck man you guys are pathetic.

>>16554372
Also this was probably one of the most pathetic posts I've seen in a long time. You're basically REEEEing that nobody thinks aliens controls the government because all the evidence are out there.
You're seething over the fact that you cant make a convincing argument not even with logic, let alone sources, to push your bullshit narrative.
Every British MP and every dominion MP voted to go to war against Germany and Churchill could not have done anything without the support of both parties.
You also cant explain why Britain vehemently opposed Israel in the 1948 war.

All of this is causing you to rage because jews can no longer be used as an ad-hoc to explain world history. You dont want to explore the possibility that Britain may just have declared war on Germany because of what Germany did.

>>16557172
I like that you wont answer the question.

Was any jewish influence at all exerted over the British political leadership to organized and prosecute a war against Hitler and Germany?

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>>16556843
>stopping genocide is genocide
???

>>16551426
>why yes, I have schizophrenia how did you know?

>>16556862
>France didnt declare war on half the planet
neither did Germany.
>neither had Germany
actually yes, they did.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leipzig_war_crimes_trials
>During the First World War the Allied leaders came up with a new concept, that once victory was achieved, defeated enemy leaders should face criminal charges for international law violations made during the war. On 25 January 1919, during the Paris Peace Conference, the Allied governments established the Commission of Responsibilities to make recommendations to that effect. As a result, articles 227–230 of the Treaty of Versailles stipulated the arrest and trial of German officials defined as war criminals by the Allied governments. Article 227 made provision for the establishment of a special tribunal, presided over by a judge from each of the major Allied powers—Britain, France, Italy, United States and Japan. It identified the former Kaiser Wilhelm II as a war criminal, and demanded that an extradition request be addressed to the Dutch government, which had given him asylum in the Netherlands since his abdication in November 1918. Article 228 allowed the Allied governments to try alleged German war criminals in military tribunals. In violation of the legal principle of double jeopardy, Allied prosecutions could proceed even in cases where the accused had already been tried, convicted and sentenced in court-martial proceedings under German military law. The German government was required to comply with any extradition order issued by the Allied powers to that effect.
This is disgusting.
>they had to pay a lot of money
and? Their economy was kept intact post war.
Germany was gracious in victory, both times.
>they werent a threat to half the world
A master race would be a threat to the other 95% of the planet lmfao.
>where was the anti-German bloc after WWI
around Germany in 1921 established by France and then furthered by England as time went on, oh and it was secret at first btw.

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>>16557144
>Poland wasnt created by victorious powers
Yes it was. The Poland Hitler dealt with was created by victorious powers.
The Poland you refer to, the Kingdom of Poland of the 20s, was entirely and completely fine with Hitler, in fact it was ideal according to Hitler's personal feelings about the matter.
>reality is Hitler apologism
L O L
>as you accuse the Western allies
nope. The Western allies put Germans into Poland.
The Germans put no Russians into Poland, furthermore Poland was a buffer state, not a belligerent fall guy meant to punish the one who lost.
>millions of Russians living outside of Russia
its not.
Look at the map, there are few if any Russians living in these regions, they were inhabited by their respective ethnic groups like Galicians, Volhynians, Poles, Sorbs, and Balts.
>Poles living in Germany
and they were doing better than Poles in Poland while Germans in Poland were not only doing worse than Germans in Poland they were a discriminated minority.
>yes they were
>Poland was built on a revolution
L O L
That makes it even LESS legitimate.
>Polish majority population
So Danzig is rightfully German because the majority is German?
Thank you for the concession.

>>16552738
>Vichy France was controlled by the Axis
So why did Vichy retuse many important Axis requests then?

>>16548546
Dude looks like BJ Blazkowicz

>>16551802
America's right to invade was based on being stronger than our enemies. Japan was weaker than their enemies, and started fights they couldn't win.

>>16557358
>they were doing better than Poles in Poland
source? also it's completely irrelevant to the discussion
>Germans in Poland were not only doing worse than Germans in Germany
again, source? plus if they hated it so much they could always move to Germany
>were a discriminated minority
incorrect
>Danzig is rightfully German because the majority is German?
that was the general feeling even back then, and is the reason why Poland was initially open to negotiations with Germany on Danzig's status

>>16557337
>gas red cross
>shoot nuns
>slaughter prisoners
>kick and scream ahen brought to justice
benazification was way overdue by the time it happened
germany should've been deprussianized in 1919

>>16556843
>ethnically cleanse russians and germans
>they beat your ass instead
lol

>>16555791
keep telling yourself that, matteusz

>>16557465
>its irrelevant
so why did you bring it up?

The Germans in Poland were held hostage, an entire province was held hostage and multiple cities.
>source
Poles made Germans second class citizens in Poland.
>Poland was initially open
True, they were initially open to Danzig becoming Nat Soc and they had desired to Negotiate with Hitler until the British stoked their belligerence and the British also said very odd things like Chamberlain saying "We oppose German world domination" as if Danzig was the world.

But lets look at who ran the world, the British jews, so when British jews feel threatened by German power they not incorrectly frame it as a battle for world control, whether the world is to be ruled by jewish mafias or whether it is to be free.

>>16557535
>gas red cross
unintentionally, also the Germans werent the first to use gas.
>shoot nuns
unintentionally, anyone near the front is liable to be killed by a stray bullet.
>slaughter prisoners
zero evidence this happened according to the British themselves.
>kick and scream when brought to justice
by people who did far worse crimes intentionally and created artificial famines and shut down foreign aid efforts by independent charities LOL

the world is long overdue a removal of jews

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>>16557358
>The Poland you refer to, the Kingdom of Poland of the 20s, was entirely and completely fine with Hitler, in fact it was ideal according to Hitler's personal feelings about the matter.
Something /pol/faggots will never understand is that Hitler isnt some ultimate framework to determent what is and what isnt.

And Hitler was massive hypocrite because he acted on peoples right to self-determination when making his claims, only to annex Polish majority land into Germany when Poland was defeated. Hence he didnt give two shits about his own argument when he was in a position of strength. So yeah, fuck Hitler and fuck your Hitler-framwork to determent what is right and what is wrong.

>The Germans put no Russians into Poland, furthermore Poland was a buffer state, not a belligerent fall guy meant to punish the one who lost.
That was literally the whole point retard. Russia lost millions of Russians in Belarus alone from the Brest-Litovsk treaty. It was pretty evident that the Germans didnt give a shit.

>Look at the map, there are few if any Russians living in these regions, they were inhabited by their respective ethnic groups like Galicians, Volhynians, Poles, Sorbs, and Balts.
Nearly half of Polands population in 1939 were Russians you fucking moron. You also defeat your own argument because ALL the territory Germany lost had a German MINORITY.
You literally have no argument.
Germany were not entitled ANY of the land they lost after ww1 because NONE of that land had a German majority.
Danzig being the only exception, but Danzig was never part of Poland.

>That makes it even LESS legitimate.
Stormfaggot argumentation method is to denounce everything. If the territory is from a treaty: Illegitimate. If the territory is fromt a revolt: illegitimate. If the territory is from conquest: illegitimate.
You literally make shit up as you go along on what is acceptable and what isnt, you have no established framework on what is legitimate.

>>16557952
>An entire province held hostage
What does that even mean

>>16558005
>Something /pol/faggots will never understand is that Hitler isnt some ultimate framework to determent what is and what isnt.
What does this even mean?
You were pretending the Kingdom of Poland was somehow what Hitler had a problem with when the reality is post-versailles and Polish expansion Poland is what Hitler had a problem with.

>The leader of Germany is a hypocrite for putting Germany first
lolno
>Polish majority lands
which belonged to Germany, the lands having a Polish majority only matters to you, and you pivot now because Danzig was German majority and Poland held it anyway.

There werent millions of Russians in Belarus. There were a few thousand, there were barely a million people in Belarus and by far the majority of them were Belorussians furthermore Russia kept the Russian part of Belorussia.

You cant even get these basic facts right.
>half of Polands population was Russia
FROM POLAND CONQUERING RUSSIAN LAND IN THE SOVIET POLISH WAR OF 1920! ! ! ! ! L OOOOOOO L
That wasnt Germany's doing, Poland is just an ethnic thief who steals humans instead of trinkets because Poles have a shortage of humans.

>none of that land had a German majority
Firstly, that is wrong, Sudetenland was by far majority German, so was Schleswig Holstein, and Danzig was under Polish control as well as other smaller sub regions with German majorities in Poland.

>stormfag
go back.
>no established framework

I used the Westphalian school of political thought which is what Europeans at the time used.

>>16558169
Poles wouldnt allow any sort of land connection from Germany to East Prussia.
Hitler offered to completely fund a German highway to East Prussia built to the specifications of the Poles who would be allowed to use the highway freely and if the Poles found it interfered with something the German engineers would re-route or build over and underpass roads to accommodate the Poles.

>>16558229
Not what I would (or most any one) qualify as "hostage"

>>16558247
>deny people freedom of movement within their own land
How is this not a hostage situation?

>>16558252
No one forced them to stay behind, Poland just didn't want to lose completely relative trade dominance in the area.
Germans aren't titled to everything they desire to happen one way or the other just because they exist. Careful with that chosen race complex

>>16558229
Or they could just take a boat. That isn't being held hostage that is life as an enclave.

>>16548940
Absolute truth right here

>>16558265
there's nothing this retard will not say if it means getting to reply. Literally retarded.

>>16558252
>>16559188
Meant for this

>>16559188
no it was absolutely meant for >>16558265

>>16548546
While people were busy fighting the narrative, he was playing an open-world RPG.