Why was it ok for people to carve naked people for their churches in the Middle Ages but it’s considered “unchristian” for Kanye to film himself fucking his wife
>>16549870Because the carvings are humorous and not made for the purposes of cooming
I would have to see the context OP. There are lots of depictions of sodomites burning in Hell throughout the Middle Ages. These were edifying and not erotic.
>>16549870in broad general terms Middle Age Christians had a more normal and healthy relationship with the naked human form and sexuality than modern neurotic Americans who adhere to the extremes of self debasing fetishism or absurdist prudism because their materialist upbringing and atomizing culture have removed them from the fundamental elements of the human experience (and as much as retards deny it internet culture is largely an outgrowth of American culture)
>>16549942NtA>internet culture is largely an outgrowth of American cultureInteresting and I suspect true. Thanks for pointing that out. Agree with your entire post.
>>16549870that's not pornography tho
>>16549870That's a gargoyle tier character, not an endorsement.
>>16549870He's busting it open for the Holy Spirit to enter him that's how the Greeco-Roman christians were letting the holy spirit take over them, same with the Jews and Arab muslims.
>>16550036You are a sick person, look at yourself.
>>16550036The most jewish image I've seen on the chans and I've been here far too long
>>16550194Judaism forbids sodomy fuck off
>>16550200The worst jews aren't religious at all
>>16550220Then call them what they are. Satanists or atheists. Words matter and you spread hatred at religious Jews by using the term this way.
>>16550036You will burn in Hell if you don’t repent from this.
>>16550335Kikes don't believe in hell
>>16550396Get a load of the last-name-googler inhaling his own farts and giggling.
>>16549870People didn't take life so seriously before the invention of social media. Catholicism sees life as a tutorial level for the afterlife. Celibacy was for the ordained priests and monks. Everyone else was openly horny.
>>16549942Yeah, and they were Christians who had been brought up Christians because it was all they knew and it was the law of the world, they were still capable of a normal, organic way of thinking within that prism. Modern American Christians see Christianity as a way to set themselves apart from mainstream society, it's a form of egotism and forcing themselves into a restrictive way of living that they use to look down on others.
>>16549870it's unchristian for kanye to willingly profit from lust and encourage it. if your picrel gives you lust you need Jesus...
>>16549932>>16549923>>16549991Right, this probably is a gargoyle and supposed to be scary or disgust-inducing rather than lust-provoking. Did it provoke lust in some people? Possibly but that was not the purpose.
>>16550974also, looking down on people as a Christian is a big no-no.being disappointed or disgusted is normal but feeling superior is a slippery slope that leads to dehumanization and horrors.
>>16551077Yeah modern people struggle with that nuance of disappointment vs judgement, I don't know how American Christians try to justify their beliefs against stuff like the parable of the prodigal son
>>16549942third post best post
How can someone want to watch porn this badly to wager such a ridiculous argument? It's gross man. It's just gross stuff. The genitals of strangers in the genitals of other strangers.
>>16551099it's probably something to do with being spoiled kids who are taught values with many words but little example.when you talk to kids these days they are all politics, philosophy and morality but they live selfish lives far removed from what they preach.ancient random people weren't so intellectually driven and only knew about the work of their hands and the struggles of the day.most people probably didn't even have access to a mirror so ego was probably built more upon achievements i guess.
>>16550200>talmud has 8 genders>all gay shit is pushed by jewsthe absolute state of hasbara damage control cope.
>>16551070cope
>>16551183do you feel lust from watching this cartoonish mockery of a sodomite?you should probably stop browsing tumblr
>>16551140Yeah it's a trend towards something hard to describe, I was thinking about it today but couldn't define it. Perhaps autism, but it's unfair to attach the stigma of a genuine mental disorder to it, maybe it's more just an obsessive or myopic mindset.Basically it's a type of thinking not grounded in diverse, direct experience, and observations from that, it's instead a transmission/ teaching and lecturing of concepts like you say.I guess it's all ultimately from people not living normal lives anymore, not trusting direct experience and instead getting everything online.
>>16551207>tumblralri grampsdoes Tumblr even exist anymore?
>>16551228i don't care where you find your degenerate cartoons anon
>>16550036Image on the left is kinda hot ngl
>>16551228>alri gramps>does Tumblr even exist anymore?Tumblr is just as irrelevant as chan sites...But you're an autistic retard so self-awareness is asking a bit too much I guess.>>16551222>but it's unfair to attach the stigma of a genuine mental disorder to itLol, so you're an advocate of mental retardation then.>>16551222>maybe it's more just an obsessive or myopic mindset.>Basically it's a type of thinking not grounded in diverse, direct experience, and observations from that, it's instead a transmission/ teaching and lecturing of concepts like you say.>I guess it's all ultimately from people not living normal lives anymore, not trusting direct experience and instead getting everything online.Almost nobody gets everything online. You live online and hardly know anybody offline so you're confusing your 4chan peers who are less than 0.5% of the population with normal people.>>16551141>>talmud has 8 genders>>all gay shit is pushed by jews>the absolute state of hasbara damage control cope.Judaism has the same views towards homosexuality as Christianity does because Christianity is nothing more than an offshoot of Judaism literally created by Jews.
>>16551140>ancient random people weren't so intellectually driven and only knew about the work of their hands and the struggles of the day.The existence of the Abrahamic religions and Buddhism completely contradicts you.
>>16551124>How can someone want to watch porn this badly to wager such a ridiculous argument?>It's gross man. It's just gross stuff. The genitals of strangers in the genitals of other strangers.That is the most robotic, autistic, asexual, alien way you could have possibly described sex.Without a doubt you are never ever going to reproduce. You are mentally incapable of continuing your own family line.
>>16549870If it stays private, whatever. The problem is if you let people see it.
>>16550200>>16551141
>>16551070>Right, this probably is a gargoyle and supposed to be scary or disgust-inducing rather than lust-provoking. Did it provoke lust in some people? Possibly but that was not the purpose.>>16549991>That's a gargoyle tier character, not an endorsement.>>16549932>I would have to see the context OP. There are lots of depictions of sodomites burning in Hell throughout the Middle Ages.>These were edifying and not erotic.>>16549870>Why was it ok for people to carve naked people for their churches in the Middle Ages but it’s considered “unchristian” for Kanye to film himself fucking his wifeLol, I'm amazing at how clueless you all are. The "gargoyle" guess is close but still wrong.Funny enough this is actually a "Sheela na gig".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheela_na_gigThey first appear in 11th century France and Spain in a Christian religious context.I'm 100% certain that it was a visual warning against lust to the largely illiterate population. For a short period of time it became a Christian good luck charm and was carved on castle walls etc.The medieval church had a history of visually depicting biblical scenes and religious lessons for the majority illiterate and mostly non-adult population. Another example is Milo the wicked knight. A series of carvings that depict a womanizing knight fingering a woman in the Fidenza cathedral.Also OP, you should source your images.For those that don't know, the OP's image is of a man exposing himself at All Saints Hereford.
>>16551280You're just proving my point about people today possessing a weird, insular, concept driven thinking with all of these braindead takes, such as:>Judaism has the same views towards homosexuality as ChristianityYeah sure every Jew and every Christian has the same view on it, very comprehensive take there.
>>16551070artistic intent doesn't matter. These degenerates kept drawing pictures of naked babies and statues of sodomites. Pretty fucked up. It's like giving Batman nipples.
>>16551350The Greeks, Romans, Germanics, Jews and later Abrahamics all disliked homosexuality.If you want to have your opinions even taken seriously you should post text and actually site the text to an online source rather than blatantly lying with misquotes in a lazily pasted image.Elagabalus was without a doubt the gayest Roman emperor and by far the most hated and short-reigned in his time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElagabalusRhaphanidosis was a punishment for sodomy in Ancient Greece and later Rome.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RhaphanidosisGreek pottery depicting gay scenes only makes up less than 1% of all ancient Greek pottery that has been found.
>>16551390>artistic intent doesn't matter.Except when you decide it matters lol.>>16551390>These degenerates kept drawing pictures of naked babiesNotice how Christians and Romans never depicted cupids having sex?>Pretty fucked up. It's like giving Batman nipples.Men in fact have nipples anon...Whether you like it or not. That is basic human anatomy.
>>16551384>You're just proving my point about people today possessing a weird, insular, concept driven thinking with all of these braindead takes, such as:>>Judaism has the same views towards homosexuality as Christianity>Yeah sure every Jew and every Christian has the same view on it, very comprehensive take there.Lol, you're so stupid that you don't even know that Judaism and Christianity both adhere to the old testament that prohibits homosexuality.Nothing about that is weird, braindead or even controversial. It's as obvious as stating that grass is green and the Earth a sphere.You are so unbelievably stupid and forever online that you've forgotten just how insane you actually are.The only way you could come to any other conclusion is by never reading the Old Testament or New testament.So basically at that point you aren't even Christian.
>>16551397>Except when you decide it matters lol.I have never decided that it matters, only my own interpretation does.>Notice how Christians and Romans never depicted cupids having sex?Why did they depict them naked, it's gross and unsightly, why did they depict people naked in general? >Men in fact have nipples anon...>Whether you like it or not. That is basic human anatomy.So you think we should free the nipple? Cock too maybe? Just because men have nipples doesn't mean we need to put it on our cereal mascots and chiseled into the limestone of our nations capital.
>>16551408>I have never decided that it matters, only my own interpretation does.Well done for saying you do exactly what I said you do lol.>Why did they depict them nakedBecause naked doesn't automatically equal sex you insane idiot lol. They aren't even presented in a sexually alluring way. It's almost as if you're a closeted pedophile or something.Everyone had babies they hoped would grow to be healthy adults or go to heaven if they died soon after baptism.So your largely illiterate congregation could relate to Cupids.Biblically correct angels like the Seraph, Cherubim, Ophanim just look creepy and wouldn't win over Medieval peasants.>So you think we should free the nipple? Cock too maybe? Just because men have nipples doesn't mean we need to put it on our cereal mascots and chiseled into the limestone of our nations capital.I'm guessing you never go swimming at the beach?You've clearly got some issues going on if you're equating a bare male chest with exposing one's penis in public.
>>16551405>Lol, you're so stupid that you don't even know that Judaism and Christianity both adhere to the old testament that prohibits homosexuality.Yeah again you're just trading in concepts instead of actually engaging with the substance matter, there is so much, often conflicting crap in both canons including with Muslims, you can argue none of them fully follow their teachings as it would probably be impossible. Christians considered moneylending prohibited for centuries then allowed it, Muslims still consider it prohibited but have workarounds, how you you square that up?>So basically at that point you aren't even Christian.When did I say I was
>>16551429>Well done for saying you do exactly what I said you do lol.I didn't do anything? I only was telling you that I only value interpretations. And it sounds to me that the medieval peasants were closeted pedophiles.What do you find more creepy, biblically accurate angels or naked babies carved into stone?>You've clearly got some issues going on if you're equating a bare male chest with exposing one's penis in public.No, I just want to know your limits. If you think naked babies and bare male cock and nipples are fine to show in statues and art why have such limits elsewhere.
>>16551430>Yeah again you're just trading in concepts instead of actually engaging with the substance matter, there is so much, often conflicting crap in both canons including with Muslims, you can argue none of them fully follow their teachings as it would probably be impossible. Christians considered moneylending prohibited for centuries then allowed it, Muslims still consider it prohibited but have workarounds, how you you square that up?It's literally stated multiple times in the OT and NT that homosexuality is bad. It isn't even debatable. You simply have no idea about what you are even talking about.Christians have never allowed Usury or lending with interest unless it involves financially fighting against pagans, or nonbelievers that refuse to convert.Lending WITHOUT interest amongst fellow believers on the other hand has always been allowed in Islam and Christianity.That isn't a loophole. That's just following religious scripture. Interest isn't the only way of profiting off of loans or deposits. >When did I say I wasThat's not the point. You can't be Christian or Jewish if you are okay with your own community practicing homosexuality.Same goes for Islam.Even the Pagan religions before Abrahamics disliked homosexuality.
>>16549870Nudity was not thought to be sexual up until the 17th Century in Protestant kingdoms when everyone was expected to cover up. Given that this was mostly in Northern Europe amidst the Little Ice Age when everyone was likely doing it already, its not surprising. Cloth cost alot of coin in the past hence why bearing a bit of skin was not uncommon for women. Nudity was normal for men, given its association with bravery
>>16551436>I didn't do anything? I only was telling you that I only value interpretations.That contradicts with saying you don't care about artistic intent lol.>And it sounds to me that the medieval peasants were closeted pedophiles.They weren't. Because they weren't thinking about sex on seeing cupid images you insane freak lol.No normal person today does that.>What do you find more creepy, biblically accurate angels or naked babies carved into stone?Biblically accurate Angels...I'm guessing you're never going to have kids of your own?>No, I just want to know your limits.No, to you a bare chest is the same as flashing your dick in public lol. >If you think naked babies and bare male cock and nipplesWhy are you saying that all together as one?You definitely are creeping me out mate.You're definitely a pedophile lol.
>>16551456>It's literally stated multiple times in the OT and NT that homosexuality is bad. It isn't even debatable. You simply have no idea about what you are even talking about.Yeah and there's a tonne of shit about not eating certain kinds of fish and what you can do with your fields and your animals that are universally discarded today because they belong to the thinking of primitive retards from 2000 years ago.You can believe whatever you want and believe it's the truest version of Christianity if you like, my original point was just how retarded you are to say "Oh all Jews and Christians view homosexuality the same way because of scripture" as if every single Jew and Christian in the way obeys scripture the exact same way, it's laughable.>Christians have never allowed Usury or lending with interest>lending with interestuhh Christians practice it today and it was a massive part of American history, which was often controlled by puritans>Lending WITHOUT interest amongst fellow believers on the other hand has always been allowed in Islam and Christianity.I'm not sure you understand what interest is>Interest isn't the only way of profiting off of loans or deposits.Yes because like I said, Islamic banks use workarounds so they technically aren't profiting off interest.Christian bankers do though since they decided after a while the restrictions on interest were retarded.
>>16551483>That contradicts with saying you don't care about artistic intent lolelaborate >They weren't. Because they weren't thinking about sex on seeing cupid images you insane freak lol.>I'm guessing you're never going to have kids of your own?When I have a child I won't chisel his cock into stone. No normal person today does any of the things those insane medieval artists were doing, like chiseling cock into stone.You've left me with no new arguments so I guess you do believe the nipple should be free and the human body should be cherished in society. I'm going to hire an army of transgender male to female individual to flash their biologically male tits at you and everyone that you know and then show your 4chan posts as proof of your condonement.
>>16551487>Yeah and there's a tonne of shit about not eating certain kinds of fish and what you can do with your fields and your animals that are universally discarded today because they belong to the thinking of primitive retards from 2000 years ago.Orthodox Christians and Jews still practice that stuff today whenever they legally can.They are still the same primitive retard religions that they always were...>You can believe whatever you want and believe it's the truest version of Christianity if you likeWell no. If it isn't in the bible it isn't Christian.If it isn't in the Torah or Talmud it isn't Jewish.If it isn't in the Koran or Hadiths it isn't Muslim.>my original point was just how retarded you are to say "Oh all Jews and Christians view homosexuality the same way because of scripture" as if every single Jew and Christian in the way obeys scripture the exact same way, it's laughable.Your original point shows that you know almost nothing about Abrahamic religion and what its practitioners believe. Yep. You are extremely retarded. >uhh Christians practice it today and it was a massive part of American history, which was often controlled by puritansWell no. That isn't correct. >I'm not sure you understand what interest isI don't think you do anon...>Yes because like I said, Islamic banks use workarounds so they technically aren't profiting off interest.>Christian bankers do though since they decided after a while the restrictions on interest were retarded.You're living in an alternate universe mate lol.
>>16551512>elaborateLearn to use your own brain please autistic anon.>When I have a child I won't chisel his cock into stone.Because when you see it you will instantly want to have sex with it lol.>No normal person today does any of the things those insane medieval artists were doinghundreds of millions of people see their naked babies everyday anon.Millions of people view traditional art with cupids everyday anon.People today still paint a naked baby nativity Jesus...>like chiseling cock into stone.Lol, so you're a closeted pedophile and homosexual haha.>You've left me with no new arguments so I guess you do believe the nipple should be free and the human body should be cherished in society.Lol, you're autistic as fuck dude haha.>I'm going to hire an army of transgender male to female individual to flash their biologically male tits at you and everyone that you know and then show your 4chan posts as proof of your condonement.Lol, you're so insane that you equate normal naked people with trannies.You are legit mentally ill and terminally online.Could you at least be honest with me and tell me where this insanity of yours comes from?Muslims are famously against all depictions of the human form even if covered up by clothing. Drawing Allah or Muhammad is often punished with a death sentence. An Arab killed a French artist because he depicted Muhammad as a person.
>>16551518Seriously look up interest and what it meant to Medieval Christians you utter tard, there's no point to this discussion if you don't even understand it.https://aeon.co/essays/how-did-usury-stop-being-a-sin-and-become-respectable-finance>In de Vitry’s world, the moneylender deserved to be defiled by demons, because he’d committed the sin of usury – charging interest on a loan. De Vitry didn’t care whether the rate was high or low, because the Church’s position was that extracting a single cent of interest was evil.And I think I need to explain interest to you as well>money paid regularly at a particular rate for the use of money lent, or for delaying the repayment of a debt.It's a percentage of a loan meant to be paid back as a price for the loan.Christians couldn't prescribe it which is why Medieval Christians had to take loans out with Jews instead.>Orthodox Christians and Jews still practice that stuff today whenever they legally can.So are they the real Christians and Jews or not?Almost like there's no single "Christian" or "Jew" denomination>Your original point shows that you know almost nothing about Abrahamic religion and what its practitioners believe. Yep. You are extremely retarded.I think you're the one that doesn't understand Abrahamic religions.Do you think the way Christianity was followed 200 years ago is the same as today? Or the same as a thousand years ago? Or the same as it was followed by the very first Christians?All of them were basing their practices on the same scripture and all of them would probably despise each other for violations of what they consider to be true understandings of the scripture.To put forward scripture as something that is followed 1:1 by its followers when these religions have changed so much over time despite always having the same foundational documents is laughable.
>>16550036Anon, you’re provoking God’s wrath. Repent.
>>16551518>>16551545Forgot to add, Muslims base their policy of not charging interest on the same bits of the New Testament that forbade Christians from doing it until the latter changed their mindsSo Islamic banks come up with retarded ways of conducing loans that are technically not interest based but effectively arehttps://gfmag.com/features/islamic-finance-faq-what-islamic-finance-and-how-does-it-work/>The most famous rule in Islamic finance is the ban on usury. In economic terms, this means lender and borrowers are forbidden from charging or paying interest or riba. Sharia-compliant banks don’t issue interest-based loans.>The obvious question then becomes: how do Islamic banks make money? Instead of lending money to their clients at a profit, they buy the underlying product—the house, the car, the refrigerator—and then lease it or re-sell it on installment to the client for a fixed price typically higher than the initial market value. The key notion here is risk sharing—the banks make a profit on the transaction as a reward for the risk they took with the customer. Instead of thriving off of interest rates, Islamic banks use their customers’ money to acquire assets such as property or businesses and profit when the loan is successfully repaid.So again you've got Christians and Muslims following the same scripture on the matter but coming up with completely different interpretations, which is what my original point was about; to say all Jews and Christians ban homosexuality because of scripture is retarded, to not even go into all the differences between those religions and the degree to which religions and people practicing them exactly follow scripture.
>>16551285you seem to ignore the fact that plebs didn't know how to read or write and that the philosophers and priests were part of a minority of intellectuals.
>>16551545>Seriously look up interest and what it meant to Medieval Christians you utter tard, there's no point to this discussion if you don't even understand it.>https://aeon.co/essays/how-did-usury-stop-being-a-sin-and-become-respectable-financeLol, you clearly didn't even skim read your own source. It just confirms what I have been saying. It was only in the later Renaissance that the decreasing influence of Christianity allowed Science, art, technology, architecture and finance to develop and grow beyond scriptural dogma.>Christians couldn't prescribe it which is why Medieval Christians had to take loans out with Jews instead.Yep, Jews weren't contradicting their religion because they were providing their interest banking services to Gentiles who are seen as inferior to Jews. Judaism only prohibits usuary to other Jews.Christians believed that Jews were going to hell for lending with interest. Borrowing money from a usury practicing lender doesn't send you to hell according to Christianity.>So are they the real Christians and Jews or not?>Almost like there's no single "Christian" or "Jew" denominationThe definition of those religions isn't very complicated but for some reason you are just too stupid to understand lol.What next? are you going to claim that ladders and chairs can be tables?Are you going to argue that there's no difference between men and women? Because you think there is no such thing as a real woman or man?Are you starting to understand how insane you sound?>I think you're the one that doesn't understand Abrahamic religions.You haven't quoted a single book, chapter or verse you moron lol.>Do you think the way Christianity was followed 200 years ago is the same as today?Oh right, do you think Christians were following the Koran 200 years ago?Do you think Muslims were following the Talmud 200 years ago?You are so astoundingly stupid haha.
>>16551577>you seem to ignore the fact that plebs didn't know how to read or write and that the philosophers and priests were part of a minority of intellectuals.You seem to forget that the priesthood in Abrahamic religions dictate the belief of the plebs...
>>16551580you seem to assume that plebs who went to church were spending their days ranting about virtue in the streets(there was no internet)
>>16551578>It was only in the later Renaissance that the decreasing influence of Christianity allowed Science, art, technology, architecture and finance to develop and grow beyond scriptural dogma.Yes, for the thousandth time this is what I've been saying. You still had fully devout suddenly Christians condoning interest within their religion. How do you explain that?>Borrowing money from a usury practicing lender doesn't send you to hell according to Christianity.You're literally making shit up here lmaoNot even worth bothering to engage with you any further unless you answer this question, which I'll repeat for you:>Yes, for the thousandth time this is what I've been saying. You still had fully devout Christians condoning interest within their religion. How do you explain that?because you just keep writing walls of bullshit (even bring up trannies out of nowhere now lmao) without actually answering anything otherwise
>>16551559>Forgot to add, Muslims base their policy of not charging interest on the same bits of the New Testament that forbade Christians from doing it until the latter changed their minds>So Islamic banks come up with retarded ways of conducing loans that are technically not interest based but effectively areThey aren't interest anon.And yes, nice to know you finally realized that Islam was created after Christianity and Judaism lol.>So again you've got Christians and Muslims following the same scripture on the matter but coming up with completely different interpretationsThat's Because they don't have the same scripture. Muslims copied and modified some parts of Christian scripture. So it isn't the same. Similar but not the same.>to say all Jews and Christians ban homosexuality because of scripture is retardedLol, you've just demonstrated that Jews and Christians don't practice Usury and hate homosexuals.All you've done is confirm everything I've said.You are so astoundingly stupid anon haha.
>>16551591>That's Because they don't have the same scripture. Muslims copied and modified some parts of Christian scripture. So it isn't the same. Similar but not the same.But you said here >Lol, you're so stupid that you don't even know that Judaism and Christianity both adhere to the old testamentWhere's your consistency friend
>>16551594>>16551405
>>16551588>Yes, for the thousandth time this is what I've been saying.No, that isn't what you've been saying at all anon.>>16551588>You're literally making shit up here lmaoNo I'm not. This is why you should actually read the bible before you talk about it lol.In Christianity the people being charged interest are the victims. The Lenders offering loans with interest are the sinners.It's a common theme - https://www.openbible.info/topics/lending_moneyyou have over thirty different passages that cover the topic.>>16551588>Not even worth bothering to engage with you any further unless you answer this question, which I'll repeat for you:You haven't even read the bible anon lol.All you've done is confirm everything I've said.
>>16551578>>16551588Also just to inb4 some utterly bullshit argument that Christians are merely accepting loans with interest and not prescribing them, a massive amount of America's first dynastic families were directly involved in banking and were massive Christian puritans too, there's a list and history of them described below:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Brahminincluding:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_family
>>16551594>>That's Because they don't have the same scripture. Muslims copied and modified some parts of Christian scripture. So it isn't the same. Similar but not the same.>But you said here>>Lol, you're so stupid that you don't even know that Judaism and Christianity both adhere to the old testament>Where's your consistency friendMuslims aren't Jews you fucking retard lol.Holy shit are you blind?
>>16551600>No, that isn't what you've been saying at all anon.What do you think I've been saying then?>The Lenders offering loans with interest are the sinners.Kek thought you'd say this, see >>16551601
>>16551603You're arguing Christians didn't pick and choose bits of the Old Testament to incorporate into their canon (which they did) but Muslims did.Sorry I thought that was self-evident but you are clearly borderline retarded so I should have very clearly explained it to you.
>>16551601Every white settler at that time was classified Christian or Jewish. That includes people that were secular.My parents both went to Sunday school but they have never been Christians in any sense of the word. It's just something everyone did.
>>16551605>You're arguing Christians didn't pick and choose bits of the Old Testament to incorporate into their canon (which they did) but Muslims did.You're the only one that's ever said that you stupid fuck lol.
>>16551607>Every white settler at that time was classified Christian or Jewish. That includes people that were secular.You know nothing about history, wtf are you even doing on this board.People belonging to Forbes and other Boston Brahmin families were not secular, they were massively devout, even for their time.So eventually your argument is just that any Christian prescribing interest is not a true Christian i.e. not a true Scotsman bullshit?
>>16551611You literally said here >Lol, you're so stupid that you don't even know that Judaism and Christianity both adhere to the old testament And then you say here>That's Because they don't have the same scripture. Muslims copied and modified some parts of Christian scripture. So it isn't the same. Similar but not the same.So can you please explain how your argument isn't:>Jews and Muslims follows the old testament>Oh but Muslims modified their canon so it's not the same
>>16549870It's not unchristian, modern christians LOVE porn. Try asking christians on this board if they watch porn and you'll see.
>>16551614>People belonging to Forbes and other Boston Brahmin families were not secular, they were massively devoutSo devout that they were Usury practicing bankers, Science/art research funders, didn't run churches etc.I mean you would have a point if the Catholic or Orthodox churches ran ordinary banks but they don't.>>16551614>So eventually your argument is just that any Christian prescribing interest is not a true Christian i.e. not a true Scotsman bullshit?Basically you just don't know what you're talking about anon.
>>16551628>So devout that they were Usury practicing bankers, Science/art research funders, didn't run churches etc.lmao are you saying you have to actually be a member of the church to be a Christian now? This is gold.Here's a description of one of the early Forbes members who was involved in a lot of commerce:>Mr. Murray was a strict Scottish Presbyterian which meant that he kept the Sabbath carefully, sang only Psalms in public worship, and rejected the church calendar as Romish. One December he was invited to the home of a newly married student. The new wife showed Mr. Murray their first Christmas tree. He refrained from comment, but the wife unwisely asked what he thought of it. He is reported to have said simply, “Pagan bush.”So you're staying that doesn't constitute a Christian?>Basically you just don't know what you're talking about anon.Nice argument, enlighten me then.
>>16551621The Torah, Christian old testament and Muslim Tawrat aren't exactly the same. The Christian old testament has more in common with the Torah than the Tawrat does to the Torah.It isn't complicated anon you autistic idiot.
>>16551633>So you're staying that doesn't constitute a Christian?Should I quote Danny Faulkner, a professor of astronomy and physics at the University of South Carolina as proof that the Earth is only 6000 years old?>Nice argument, enlighten me then.That's what I've been doing anon.Oh, do you have autism by any chance?Seriously?
>>16551635>It isn't complicated anon you autistic idiot.No it shouldn't be, but you argued the Christian and Jewish Old Testament were similar enough when it was convenient for you and argued scripture differences between Christians and Muslims was different enough again when that was convenient for you.Almost like you'll just twist arguments to suit your narrative, again like I've been saying for ages now, you can twist scripture into different meanings and degrees of adherence which has been done throughout the thousands of different Christian sects and cults that have ever existed.The article I quoted here >>16551545 should have given you some clue, they talk about how Christian laws on usury stemmed from Greek culture and tradition on the subject but they used scripture to justify bans.Christianity as well as Judaism and Islam is practiced according to the cultures of the people at any given time and has changed with the course of history, to suggest scripture is the ultimate authority on actual practices is utterly retarded.That's pretty much all I have left to say on the matter, all you're doing now is trying to argue some of the most prominent and devout early American Christians weren't actually Christian because err reasons. >>16551641>Should I quote Danny Faulkner, a professor of astronomy and physics at the University of South Carolina as proof that the Earth is only 6000 years old?Literally what purpose would that serve.And now hilariously you've even given up engaging with Christians like the Forbes at all to bring up some random schizo Christian theologian, without even bothering to attach an argument.All this does is really does is prove my point, but you can continue living in your delusion of what a real Christian is (one that 99% of actual practicing Christians today probably wouldn't follow, as pretty much no one takes prohibitions on interest seriously anymore) if you like.
>>16551583>you seem to assume that plebs who went to church were spending their days ranting about virtue in the streets(there was no internet)No shit their was no internet you autistic retard and yes, people were obsessed with religion. They were actively killing pagans, witches, sodomites etc in their own villages. Much like USSR style communism medieval Christians were all monitoring each other's behavior for "non-Christian" heresy.
>>16551663>No it shouldn't be, but you argued the Christian and JewishYou're simply a stupid autist that is mentally incapable of understanding the simplest of things.That's the problem here lol.>Literally what purpose would that serve.The same purpose your quote serves.Which is nothing.
>>16551668you're making a generalization that shows you're a tourist who has zero sense of how time scales and of how political violence works on a social scale.
>>16551685>you're making a generalizationIf I was, paganism would not have been almost entirely eliminated from all Europe...
>>16551695do you apply the same reasoning to explain the lowering numbers of Christians in the west or is it just your usual ignorant anti-christian rhetoric?
>>16551685>you're making a generalization that shows you're a tourist who has zero sense of how time scales and of how political violence works on a social scale.>YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING BUT I CAN BECAUSE I'M A STUPID AUTISTIC RETARD!!
>>16551701lmao he's malding, seething and literally dilating
>>16551700"According to Scholars, in 2017, Europe's population was 77.8% Christian (up from 74.9% 1970)"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Europe...
>>16551704>lmao he's malding, seething and literally dilatingOnly trannies say that anon.
>>16551708it's still lower than the middle ages retard, did we kill all the atheists? are you dead? that would explain >>16551712ok tranny
>>16551668It's almost as if they were illiterate retards who didn't get what the New Testament actually said. Hmmmm
>>16549923>humorousthey are meant to break malign influences. the sight of genitals repels the evil eye. this is known.
>>16549870>t.
>>16551957>m*dern "art" is ugly intentionally as a humiliation ritual and taint vvestern civilization with jewish subversion>vve mvst retvrn to tradi...>NOO NOT LIKE THIS
>>16551984anon it's a mockery, not a statement on gender and on the politics of veganism in africa.it's also ornamenting an architecture that your wall sharters will never be able to achieve.
A better question is why it would be okay for mediaeval churches to do this but not modern ones.
>>16551891Forsooth
EWWWW NAKED IS YUCKY!!! EWWWWW
>>16549942Truth. Reminder that it was a literal Cardinal who admired hot futa statues in the 17th Century, to the approval of the Pope, who made further commissions of the sculptor
>>16550036kek, basesd as fuck
>>16552133Yeah nudity is not the issue bud, it's the strutting, prancing and whoring that makes this so vile.
>>16550036Faggot
>>16552188Yes which is how we know Christianity died.
>>16549870Now you know why Protestantism is a thing.
>>16550036 #It's not blasphemy if Jesus is flaccid desu. He's just turning the other asscheek.And the guy on the right looks Indian, and did they even draw djinns that way? Looks kinda Japanese to me.
>>16552727You are a pervert, a disgusting rat.
>>16551372>Milo the wicked knightDoesn't exist. Botpost.
>>16552119Why is it striped? Is it because there's a penis disease that's very common in Japan that makes your penis look like a Mars bar?
>>16552731Do you watch porn?
>>16549870it was a reminder to every monk of what was really going on, top kekeronies
>>16551280>Christianity offshoot of judaism>despite t*lmud written 400 years after Christ>in fucking IraqPersian pharisees will never be Christian.
>>16551350>oy vey goyim please embrace sodomy like these cherry picked images of Greeks and Romanswhy are (you) like this?
>>16555278Whats the Torah then? A book on the Celts?
>>16555306not the same because the Torah does not blaspheme Christ and the Virgin. The Babylonian Talmud was written in Sura and Pumbedita probably with some Persian assistance as the Sassanids had a vested interest in weakening the Christian Roman Empire. Jews helped them during Khusrow II's 20 year invasion and before. They would help the Rashidun and Umayyad later in similar fashion.
>>16555339You didn't answer my question
Nigga is wild
>>16555380AD 70 answered your question.
>>16549870I always thought this little guy had a very womanly shaped ass.
>>16557352repent
>>16552048>it's a mockery, not a statement on gender and on the politics of veganism in africa.And yet it's still a graphic depiction of sodomy on church
