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What historical events lead to them becoming a failed state?
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>>16600491
N
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>>16600499
FPBP
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>>16600499
This
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>>16600491
The Apartheid legislations of the late 40s-50s. Where non-whites were forced to live in segregated areas and there businesses/properties where seized and excluded from having access to natural resources by the State. This made it so that the non-white middle class would be forever against the whites of South Africa.
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Being to merciful to the crackkkas
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>>16600491
Apartheid being bungled. Seriously, the bantustans might have worked as protectorates, each with its own military and so forth (Ciskei/kwaXhosa did, why not also KwaZulu or the others)? Unfortunately the Nats were too hubristic to think their system could fail so they just used the bantustans for slave labor and sabotaged them.
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>>16600491
Mandela giving mercy to wh*teoids
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>>16600506
>>16600509
You don't even believe this yourself. That is the difference.
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>>16600491
Keeping their retarded 18th century colonial mindset way too long, thinking they can keep the negroes around as slave labor forever without giving them any real rights
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>>16600513
You don't believe this. You know why. But you also are brown and like to own le whites ebin style because of your tiny penis, short height etc. You were born at a disadvantage and now shout at the world.
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>>16600513
This. Killing all the net productive people is what makes a prosperous society!
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>>16600513
/thread
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>>16600519
>Keeping negroes around as slave labour
They're a literal tax black hole. Nobody is keeping them around for economic value lmao...
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>>16600520
This incel think im reading all of that...
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>>16600491
I have no idea why they didn't just kick all the whites out Algeria style, back to the Netherlands
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>>16600535
Damn all those victories, you must have won the wars with those tiny skirmishes and not have been colonized, right?
>>16600499
/thread
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>>16600516
Really? So you don't think Whites shot theirselves in the foot by undermining the non-white middle class?
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The major question is perhaps "how could the ANC avoided becoming as ridiculously corrupt as they now are?" Therein lies the truth. Ironically, they not only treat the general population like shit, but also enforce their own apartheid policies against whites, who pretty much have no chances of getting employed by black-owned business owners or in the public sector. Small-minded blacks and self-hating whites will justify this as "righteous" revenge, but this is exactly the sort of mindset Mandela wanted to avoid; hence why he didn't try to punish all involved in apartheid once the system had been dismantled.
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>>16600557
>Socialist majority party composed of 70IQ retards
>Hurrrr why did they become so corrupt and incompetent???
Truly a mystery for the ages
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>>16600556
Lmao what tf are you on, what middle class were there but whites and a handful of pajeets who mind you still run much of the nations commerce
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>>16600549
Colonialism ended and its residue are being wrapped up as we speak In Niger, Guinea, Burkina Faso, Mali, Chad, Senegal, the Central African Republic and sooner or later South Africa along with Namibia. Now its Arabs, Africans and subcontinentals reverse-colonizing the UK, London is a near-totally nonwhite enclave and nigga, even da English language isself gettin' negrified, blud.
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>>16600572
Nope, colonialism is stronger than ever with an estimate 7-9million blacks being sold into slavery in North Africa every year and China forcing unequal treaties on the Africans for a small amount of projects in exchange for exclusive resource rights. White colonialism which centered heavily on a philanthropic bend is gone but not classical Arab imperialism and neo colonialism by China
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>>16600523
They weren't productive.
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>>16600583
Agreed, nogs regardless of class arent productive
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>>16600583
Whites and a handful of jeets are the only net productive people in SA.
>10% of the population sustaining the other 90% that make up a violent eater class
>Hmmm why is this country a shithole???
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>>16600583
>The unemployment rate
according to the expanded definition decreased by 0,1 of a percentage point to 41,1%
in Q4: 2023 compared to Q3: 2023.
Nogs are indeed not productive. They're a total economic blight.
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Letting black people run the country
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>>16600599
>Whites and a handful of jeets are the only net productive people in SA.
Most of the middle class aren't white though. Where the hell do you get your numbers?
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>>16600570
>whites and a handful of pajeets who mind you still run much of the nations commerce
It's not the 90s anymore lol. Way more groups have entered it
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>>16601950
>>16601952
Via corrupt overpaid politicians but not organically, the new black political class provide no actual value
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>>16601970
>Via corrupt overpaid politicians
Extremely exageratted since most of them aren't in politics.

>the new black political class provide no actual value
Nigger the NP was bloated as fuck, filled with bloat+graf+cronyism. South Africa always had that issues even before Apartheid if you fucking bothered to read up on it
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>just keep 99% of the population uneducated, this cannot possibly backfire
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>>16601983
Got any stats to prove this new middle class comes from anywhere but government bloat? And pre Mandela sa were notoriously underpaid as in all Anglo countries
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>>16601988
education doesn't fix niggers
this should be obvious by now
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>>16601992
>And pre Mandela sa were notoriously underpaid as in all Anglo countries
In regards to the citizenry the non-whites were very underpaid. Whites on the other hand were super overpaid and had exclusive access to jobs in several fields and the government.
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>>16601995
It does considering the many gains it has done over the years, as is the case with education elsewhere in the world. Turns out no one is exceptional.
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>>16601995
saffas didnt even try
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>>16602002
Any proof that government jobs were overpaid?
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>>16602015
By the countless records of the NP using favoritism to grant cushy jobs and contracts to those it favored over others.
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>>16602006
and the fact it sabotaged a head start AND complete safety from WW2. Which pretty much meant that Asian states that were either trailing behind SA, had heavy dictatorships, got face fucked by Japan or got firebombed+nuked were able to get ahead. They were able to leverage the full population while SA only had a range of 20%-10% depending on if you are being generous or realistic.
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>>16602022
Post proof that government jobs were overpaid, i dont care about your made up corruption which anyhow is beyond worse in modern South Africa
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>>16602045
Asians can be taught to follow orders, blacks cant
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Empowering a terrorist group like the ANC instead of getting rid of them post apartheid. SA could have been prosperous like Botswana
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>>16602063
Everyone can be taught how to follow orders lol. You aren't special for doing so

>blacks cant
So how the fuck do you explain all those colonial soldiers? Your narrative collapsed on itself in an instant.
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>>16602207
>Empowering a terrorist group like the ANC
It wasn't really. Do recall SA banned nearly all parties and organizations regardless of their political beliefs and alignment and used violence to do so.

>SA could have been prosperous like Botswana
>Botswana
It's ENTIRE economy is literally selling diamonds and pimping out land+wildlife for foreign tourist hunters. In the case of the latter there's now a mass overpopulation of Elephants due to conservationism hyperfocusing on them.
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>>16602226
and if you ban/restrict EVERY form of protest and participation within the system and use violence to do so you can't start crying when the people return the favour.
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>>16602226
>In the case of the latter there's now a mass overpopulation of Elephants due to conservationism hyperfocusing on them.
based
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>>16602220
Colonial black soldiers were mostly only used by France and even then they accounted for a very small % of soldiers in the front for ww2, they were irrelevant in ww1 and post ww2
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>>16602236
>Colonial black soldiers were mostly only used by France
Wrong again. Every colony had colonial soldiers and every power employed soldiers in the WW in the various theaters. You know nothing you actual retard
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>>16600557
Makes you wonder if apartheid would have ended with an outright genocide of whites by terrorist blacks if it wasn’t for Mandela. Similar to the Haitian genocide

Mandela was one of the only ones not consumed with hatred and with a longer term vision of improvements. Hence the reconciliation council instead of wanting to dredge up all and any perceived injustices of the part for the rest of time
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>>16602252
>Makes you wonder if apartheid would have ended with an outright genocide of whites by terrorist blacks if it wasn’t for Mandela.
Not likely. Whites were already moving out for quite some time prior to the end of it. When SA was employing conscription to fill up its forces in Angola and Namibia a ton of people of recent/relatively recent ties all bailed to dodge the draft.

>Mandela was one of the only ones not consumed with hatred and with a longer term vision of improvements
lmao he wasn't. The idea he was the only "kind one" is a meme pushed by media to completely leave out the plenty of other people in the movement.

>Hence the reconciliation council instead of wanting to dredge up all and any perceived injustices of the part for the rest of time
It failed because everyone in politics/military/business figures who benefited from apartheid all got off scot-free and the it was pushed into a late airing slot so everyone ignored it because it was at the end of the day.
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>>16602262
So whites didn't really listen to it due to the deliberate timeslot push, the guys who were the biggest actors in the regime pushed the blame on scapegoats who became the face of the trials. A lot of the inter-factional beef and fuckups/fights in the ANC and other movements were brought to light but the commission just lacked a lot of power vs the Rwanda one where it could go full force and had no restrictions.
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>>16602226
And? SA has diamonds and wildlife.

Export and utilize your resources to develop infrastructure
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>>16602226
I'm talking about post apartheid. The ANC should have been culled and the government be made a clean slate
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>>16602252
>Makes you wonder if apartheid would have ended with an outright genocide of whites by terrorist blacks if it wasn’t for Mandela.
That's just a jerk off fantasy for lefty types, apartheid ended out of mutual agreement not because le bantu panthers had le swamp honkies against the wall
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>>16602295
>Export and utilize your resources
Prices fluctuate wildly on them and can cause hyper dependence. SA became hyper-dependant on them for a long ass time due to state policy and it's wage freezing polciy enabling it to do so without having to go up the chain or invest in itself, Botswana has super low population and not enough capital to branch off. SA also had state capture so mining barons heavily dominated Saffer politics in terms of participation and heavily influencing state policy+law.

>>16602298
>The ANC should have been culled and the government be made a clean slate.
Who would do the culling and why would they do so? The ANC has a long ass history and culling them only shows how desperate one would be to maintain power.
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>>16600491
Eurodevils deliberately shooting themselves in the feet with state-enforced poverty for over 80% of the population. Also, Africans being way too soft on Euroapes and not giving themselves a true revolution by purging all non-Africans.
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>>16602370
>Also, Africans being way too soft on Euroapes and not giving themselves a true revolution by purging all non-Africans.
So they could end up like Zimbabwe or Haiti?
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>>16602382
With the worst wealth inequality in the world, they are arguably worse than Zimbabwe or Haiti.
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>>16602388
Better some people are rich than everyone being poor don't you think?
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>>16602419
No, I don't think it's better for some people to be obscenely wealthy while the majority or a large amount of the population live in abject poverty to the point where said country is labelled the most unequal.
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>>16600533
According to sketchy jpegs yeah
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>>16602863
Bantuniggers have 44% enemployment according to official SA stats. SA is just a daycare for 70IQ retards.
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>>16600491
>What historical events lead to them becoming a failed state?
The African National Congress. Thats literally it.
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>>16600499
-intendo power
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>>16600535
>incel
>all battle into defeat
Newfag doesn’t know history lol
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>>16603658
South Africa was a failed state way before that.
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>>16602863
>According to sketchy jpegs yeah
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>>16600533
>a slave does not produce economic output
You retards will come up with bizarre copes to justify anything. No real difference between you and trannies
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>>16600491
The British not exterminating Boere entirely.
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>>16603920
10/10 meme XDD
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>>16604106
:3
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>>16600511
That border gore makes me want to cry



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