>lose the bad and false opinion that these Aztec people were barbarian and uncivilized... although they showed blindness and diabolic self-deception in their rites and idolatries, in matters of government and good order, submission and reverence, majesty and authority, courage and fortitude, I have found no one to surpass them.>we believe... by the aid of the interpreters who should plainly declare to them the truths of the Holy Faith...many... would very quickly depart from the their evil ways and would come to true knowledge, for they live more equally and reasonably than any other....which we have hitherto come across.>they have talent for it [grammar, logic, rhetoric, astrology, and theology] and learn it and know it, and they teach it, and that there is no art for which they do not have the talent to learn and use it.
believing every drunk sailor story. you the kind of bozo that would go on a treasure hunt after overhearing a conversation in a tavern
>being civilized is when you build a city>the skull towers really tie the whole place together
>>18164002And I would like to emphasize that, in fact, the narrative called the "Spanish conquest" is 50% exaggeration and 50% falsehood. It is a fact that the Spanish conquistadors used little armor, which led them to adopt local Mesoamerican armor. The stagnant political situation, leading Cortés to depend almost exclusively on Aztec support, also favored cooperation over direct conquest. This naturally allowed the Aztecs to obtain Spanish equipment and consolidate their power, making Spanish colonialism more gradual and based on influence over Aztec institutions.>>18164010That wasn't an argument. If your mental capacity is so deficient that you have the cynicism and arrogance to deny due credit to primary sources, it's best to ignore the topic, at the risk of being humiliated again; that's how history works,
>>18164022he was obviously overblowing it to motivate sending resources and reinforcements. every history noob would understand that but not 4chan dummies
>>18164010>I-its just a story!You're jewish.>>18164018>skull towers with 6 gorilion bomes o algo>biggest tzompantli ever found numbered less than 80 skullsYou're jewish.You're jewish.
>>18164029>only the parts of the story that I like are real
>>18164002>BUT MUH SIX GORILLION SACRIFICES O ALGO
Eurocopers seething
>>18164002This is far superior to any European rubbish.
>>18164022Still speaking of primary sources, Bernal Diaz del Castillo described the presence of bronze axes in the Tlatelolco market, and there was an Aztec tributary provision that produced bronze. Therefore, saying that "metallurgy" was introduced by Europeans is false. But it is a fact that certain regions of Europe stagnated in metallurgical advancements for a long time, for example.See the tepoztli, for example, It likely penetrated the skulls of some Europeans during the campaigns, possibly used by high-ranking generals
>>18164117I know this is a thread about primary sources, yes, but let me educate you that bronze axes were most frequently used in woodworking and as currency, but also as weapons. Diaz talks about Huastec soldiers using them
opulent, btw
>artistic depictions againThis is getting sad. You may as well just start posting about your capital of Atlantis.
>>18164010this. /thread
>>18164175It's always funny to see nog and ameridian apologists say that Euros bulldozed their cities when historically no one restructured existing cities to the point claimed. We have hundreds of ancient Berber, Roman, Arab, Chinese and Persian city centers still standing despite being conquered dozens of times by competing ethnic and religious groups yet when Euros conquered le heckin brown and black cities they totally tore it down brick by brick lmao
>>18164175>>18164189>>18164018Sameflag, Look, I know that Mesoamerican civilizations make Europeans sad, especially those from the north, for a reason that I personally understand, I would too. But let's be realistic, they had laws, literature, organized politics, a state, and armed forces. They were an extremely urban civilization, with city-states that were the basis of everything. If that's not civilization, then I don't know what is. if we're going to judge "reconstructions," which occur with Gothic cathedrals and other structures in Europe, then nobody would pass the test. See buildings in Chichen Itza were better preserved, and other contemporary artistic representations of the architecture are concrete evidence of this:
>>18164215Im Mexican, you retarded chicano.
>>18164002>>18164010/his/ is filled with retarded sub 60 IQ /pol/trannieswe have both the foundations of Aztec ruins under Mexico city and the ruins of the city of Teotihuacan which we know for a fact that the Aztecs based Tenochtitlan off, not to mention 16th century codexes depicting the city itselfBeing an anti-intellectual retard that denies evidence when it's literally right in front of them is not admirable, you can only argue in bad faith
>>18164222>a retarded spic mongrel is being fucking retardedriveting revelation!
>>18164215Eurotroons BTFO'd
>>18164215Teotihuacan is older than Oxford, and the Aztecs used bronze metallurgy, something that Europeans didn't invent on their own.
>>18164235Lmao from white knighting shit tier civilizations to being racist because his white savior complex was bruised. Typical tankie lmao
>>18164175You are cancer and a bane on human civilization. Incredulous science denying scum need to fuck off back to >>>/x/
>>18164251>le hecking problematic racismkill yourself subhuman spic animal, moor rapebaby admixture in the americas was the worst tragedy in human history
>>18164262>The raped seething this hard lol, buckbroken manlet rage
>>18164175Provide a refutation a refutation for the academic reconstruction or shut the fuck up incredulity is not an argument.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
>>18164215Mesoamericans had an impressive infrastructure, superior to certain European cities, with various palaces, ball courts, acropolises, roads, walls, bridges, and advanced hydraulic systems, which is my focus. These hydraulic systems were networks of canals, aqueducts, reservoirs, filtration systems, dikes, and dams with even switching mechanisms, in addition to toilets, and obviously, it was present in Tenochtitlán.
>>18164175kek
>>18164285Its hilarious how hard they seethe when you reject their canned responses since all they know is how to copy and paste lol
>>18164271you're a disgusting triracial mongrel, an aberration of nature
>>18164281>superior to certain European cities
>>18164295Seethe more Chicano. The odds of you being a jeet or worse grow larger by every seethe filled (you) you give us
>>18164228I made a whole thread destroying these maggots. >>18163313They are ruining this board and historic discourse online in general I loathe them.
>>18164002BASED THREAD BROVVN BVLLS MAKE THE BEST CIVILIZATION
>>18164317saaarrrr
>>18164317Still being shitty reconstructions
>>18164320One day a Chinese scientist will find out what makes short stubby browns like Chicanos or jeets seethe as much as they do
>>18164316Even jeets unironically have infinitely more racial pride than spics, spics are literally just mongrel cattle whose entire purpose in life is to be slaves, thankfully they have low fertility rates and are fucking retarded apes who can't stop killing each other, we don't need this subhuman """race""" to exist anymore
>>18164324Provide a refutation for the academic reconstruction of Tenochtitlan or shut the fuck up incredulity is not an argument.
>>18164330this is now a self-portrait thread
>>18164335I'm literally ironanon I post threads about the Germanics and refutations to anti-white memes and propaganda. I care about the truth I'm not a braindead tribalist who will deny evidence of a Mesoamerican city for my whypepo team or whatever that's just retarded. I believe in science that's it.
>>18164281Cortés, the iyaya one describing Tlaxcala:>The city is indeed so great and marvellous.... It is much larger than Granada and much better fortified. Its houses are as fine and its inhabitants far more numerous... Its provisions and food are likewise very superior... There are gold, silver and precious stones, and jewellers' shops...as well arranged as in any market in the world. There is earthenware of many kinds...as fine as any in Spain. Wood, charcoal, medicinal and sweet smelling herbs are sold... There are booths for washing your hair... there are also public baths. Finally, good order and an efficient police system are maintained...and they behave as people of sense and reason.
>>18164002It couldn't have been that impressive given that Native Americans seem to average around an 85 IQ.
>>18164175He forgot to give us directions to Eldorado.
>>18164353Speaking of primary sources, Cassius Dio discusses Severus' campaign:>There are two principal races of the Britons, the Caledonians and the Maeatae, and the names of the others have been merged in these two. The Maeatae live next to the cross-wall which cuts the island in half, and the Caledonians are beyond them. Both tribes inhabit wild and waterless mountains and desolate and swampy plains, and possess neither walls, cities, nor tilled fields, but live on their flocks, wild game, and certain fruits...They dwell in tents, naked and unshod, possess their women in common, and in common rear all the offspring. Their form of rule is democratic for the most part, and they are very fond of plundering; consequently they choose their boldest men as rulers....They can endure hunger and cold and any kind of hardship; for they plunge into the swamps and exist there for many days with only their heads above water, and in the forests they support themselves upon bark and roots, and for all emergencies they prepare a certain kind of food, the eating of a small portion of which, the size of a bean, prevents them from feeling either hunger or thirst
>>18164364We joke but he literally argued it before.
>>18164222Chicanos live rent free in your head because they don't have to heat their bathwater on the stove before they bathe LMFAO
>>18164353>The city is indeed so great and marvellous.... It is much larger than Granada and much better fortified
Lol Didn't anyone notice the little insect subtly provoking Europeans? Are you all that amateurish? Most of these MesoboringAmerica threads are made to provoke Europeans haha.
>>18164393no one replied because we know it's (You), faggot
>>18164240>>18164248OP sameflaging
>>18164371All of that bullshit is refuted by archaeology spic.>possess neither wallsYou literally posted a pictish settlement with walls beaner lmao>nor tilled fieldsUm no? they most definitely had agriculture that's bullshit>They dwell in tentsAbsolute horseshit the Britons lived in roundhouses sometimes multistory or stone ones, they also built massive structures called brochs that had internal staircases.
>>18164371>citiesOk lets go you may not consider picrel to be a city but the Gauls most definitely had cities gigantic and sophisticated ones.
>>18164400You SOB, I'm not the OP. This guy made this same thread last month. Look at desuarchive.org and stop being retarded.
>>18164410Looks crap when compared to Tenochtitlan >>18164018Another thread you ruined with your racism.
>>18164412>last monthsorry, I'm not a permaonline virgin so I missed that
>sees a stack of rocks built by browns>"th-this is supposed to provoke me o algo"Severe level of depressive mental illness.
>>18164371Does this look like a tent to you? that swarthoid slimeball Cassius Dio was either deliberately lying or he is misidentifying the celts as the Fenni(iron age Sami) these kinds of mistakes would have been easy in antiquity.
>>18164393Most are made by jeets we know
>>18164410they built those on hills so when rain falls it takes all the shit to the lowest level occupied by autists, though I guess during summer the whole place must have STANK when steam began to rise in the morning
>>18164018>it's not a civilization when they were violentWhy do /pol/trannies always parrot this line? Pretty much every ancient eurotranny civilization was just as if not more violent. It's still a civilization.
>>18164415>Looks crap when compared to TenochtitlanOk so what about Amsterdam you dishonest spic? yeah you wish this didn't exist do you? That's a fairer comparison because it's the same time period.>Another thread you ruined with your racism.You are the anti-white racist you started posting this shit >>18164371>>18164157
>>18164420sources never lie
>>18164432>sources never lieAre you claiming that iron age Britons didn't have agriculture? be careful now because I will utterly humiliate you. show me archaeological evidence of tents.
And since I know it's mesofag or someone loser from the MLGBT+ community, I researched what "iyaya" meant. I thought it was some kind of Latin word or Mexican insult, means to "stink" even after Almost 504 years have passed since the conquest of Tenochcrap, and Cortez still harbors hatred among these people.
>>18164430He's a typical jeet and leftist who claims racism but when confronted by any opposition will result in using actual racism >>18164295 lmao
>>18164371Learn the difference lol
>>18164438of course not. sources are unreliable, as you say now yourself, and so are paintings. archaeology gives the final verdict
>>18164432What do these look like to you? they are British from the iron age.
>>18164439mesofag is so despicable with the arrogance of posing as>I know everything about Mesoamerican, bro! I'm the best!Besides having a bias, but I'm not sure if it's this monster, it could be his friends.
>>18164430I m not the OP
>>18164443Oh get fucked >>>/x/. If archaeology corroborates an ancient source for instance as it has with Tacitus then that source is reliable. Learn what corroborating evidence is nitwit. Cassius Dio may have been misidentifying the Britons as the Fenni.>Their villages are not arranged in our fashion, with the buildings connected and joined together; each man leaves a space around his house, either as a precaution against fire or because they are unacquainted with building in stone. They use unhewn timber for all their structures, without elegance or skill, but merely piled together to meet the needs of the moment.”— Tacitus, Germania 16Everything tacitus is saying here is almost 100% spot on and what archaeologists have found in excavations although they did occasionally hewn timber.
>>18164453I just performed an exorcism on you. So long, lil zoom zoom
>>18164432Did naked tent dwelling swamp monkeys make this? hmmm...
>>18164458they stole it from eldorado
>>18164233Mayans had high ANE ancestry, so this just proves biological determinism.Its just like when southern europeans show that germanics weren't civilized like 2000 years ago, but at the end of the day romans and germanics were all from the same race.That's why germanics have also produced things like this.
>>18164453Slave houses
>>18164117>See the tepoztli, for example, It likely penetrated the skulls of some EuropeansOrale
>>18164371So it seems like this comes from tropes and hearsay it's basically the equivalent of the modern "africans were all stone age hunter-gatherers cliche"Cassius Dio never even visited the north of britain.
POV:This civilization is, like, unique, right? It developed in a totally different way from others, it's more fantastic and surreal than many fantasy races. Tenochtitlan and Teotihuacan are literally some of the coolest cities in human history. They had hardcore violent and luxurious practices, but also giant gardens, poetry, and high-level sanitation systems. But, of course, most people, and especially Europeans, don't even care. And when someone mentions it, it's only to discuss politics or cultural or racial war... here we are. People impersonating me, using Roman sources or something else.And you'll forever know how incredible and underrated this civilization is, and you'll be frustrated by the lack of information and the poor treatment by pop culture, in short, KYS.
>>18164462No that's a middle iron age settlement those are average Germanic houses with the big longhouse being the chieftains. You're thinking of the viking era but their architecture varied a lot depending on where you were in Germania in the Netherlands there were really impressive longhouses of enormous sizes as well as in Scandinavia picrel.
>>18164485Colossal longhouse from the Netherlands.
>>18164482Its only the the creatures of the cold feminist peninsula who hate Mesoamerican history, mesofag is the best thing that ever happened here, I would bow down to him, and these spammers>>18164010>>18164018>>18164029should be ignored, let's continue the thread the Mesoamerican community of /his/ is not haplotard>>18164461or schizophrenic>>18164420
>>18164491Off topic, please
>>18164496molon lave, visicucks!!!
>>18164496Don't be a filthy smelly racist spic then ok spic? I derailed your thread because you started talking shit about the British and white people like a spiteful envious brownoid.>>18164499Talk shit get hit
>>18164482>it's only to discuss politics or cultural or racial war
>>18164509>your thread I'm not the OP Cope
>>18164496Is this schizophrenic did I imagine this into existence spic?
>>18164002This pathetic city, besides being smelly, was written on a disgusting river After ChristianCuckery, things only got worse.
>>18164516>was written on a disgusting river >written ESL Tenochtitlán was founded on a swampy, uninhabited island in the middle of a lake, a place no one wanted to occupy due to the harsh conditions. The argument that Europeans use about the climate and soil being unsuitable for the population apparently doesn't apply to the Mexica, right? It was precisely this lack of interest that allowed the Mexica to build their city there. It's interesting to note that the rest of the Valley of Mexico was already occupied by other city-states, but the specific island where Tenochtitlán was built remained practically deserted until the Mexica transformed it into a great city. This story of finding an "unsuitable" place and transforming it into something incredible is quite emblematic of the Mexica's capacity for adaptation and resilience, compared to northern Europe.
>>18164002>pialli, we are civilized monists>everything is unified in origin and essence>popular god cults are symbolism for the commoners>now please ascend our blood-soaked pyramid steps, where we will rip your heart out, eat you, wear your skin, and display your skull so that the sun will rise tomorrow>also the kids need to be crying when we kill them or the rains won't come>but teotl is just an abstract energy permeating the universe o algouh
>>18164518What you don't mention is how shallow lake Texcoco was it wasn't the incredible feat you think it was.>harsh conditionsLmao explain them. It had a warm mediterranean climate like Italy where Rome was birthed. Absolute horseshit nothing was harsh about that region.
>>18164521I could spend hours showing evidence of European ritual sacrifice and even some aspects of ritual zoophilia, but I'll stick to refuting that partially, because I have to leave for now. Yes, the Mexica people practiced human sacrifice, but it wasn't exactly as Hollywood or Reddit likes to portray it. They weren't sadistic monsters who found pleasure in the pain and suffering of others. In fact, the victims often received good care before the ritual, and there was a certain cooperation involved, showing that it wasn't all about senseless brutality.And, contrary to what many believe, human sacrifices were not the foundation of Mexica society. They had a complex religious and metaphysical worldview that included this practice, but it ***wasn't***the center of everything. In fact, sacrifices were more common in state capitals than in smaller towns and villages.And let's be honest: most sacrifices were of enemy warriors captured in battle, not random innocents. Yes, it was a violent practice, but it was part of a context of war and politics. And, apparently, not even Tenochtitlán, the capital, carried out sacrifices on an "industrial scale" as some like to say.So perhaps it's time to revise the cope, isn't?
>>18164518Mesoamerican are to superior than eurozoos
>>18164549Lmao this level of cope while using a phone designed by Europeans.
>>18164425its not civilized when they eat people, its barbaric. A barbaric civilization, not a civilized civilization.
>>18164022I really want this to be like google earth so I can fly around and have a look at everything
>>18164541Ok sorry
>>18164573they eat people in Serbia
>>18164585.OK. Western europe didn't really become civilized until the enlightenment. Eastern europe still not really into it
>>18164425>Pretty much every ancient eurotranny civilization was just as if not more violentNo they weren't and when Europeans tortured people it was because of an extreme sense of justice not the same as pulling that heart out of an innocent child to bring the rains and do the same barbaric sadistic shit to tens of thousands more. The Spanish did a good thing wiping out these savages, I can see their blood still flows through the veins of modern Mexicans with all that evil cartel shit.
>>18164585>they eat people in SerbiaSource?
>>18164592>No they weren't and when Europeans tortured people it was because of an extreme sense of justice not the same as pulling that heart out of an innocent See>>18164541
>>18164600Eurocuck is coping
>>18164600Would you be ok with having your heart ripped while fully conscious? if you're not ok with that you wouldn't want to live in this evil society. The Spanish described Tenochtitlan smelling like death honestly what a hellish place this was.
>>18164541>they practiced such innocent gentle human sacrifice that every single one of their neighbours rallied around 500 spaniards on the run from the law to topple them
>>18164604There's no coping we tortured people because they did something wrong and we never tortured children.>In 1581, the German serial killer Christman Genipperteinga remained conscious for nine days on the breaking wheel before expiring, having been deliberately kept alive with "strong drink"See it was about justice not cruel ogga bogga shit.
>>18164599https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/05/20/the-serbian-mafia-s-house-of-horror_5984146_4.htmlhaven't read this specific article, but in case it doesn't mention, they minced some of them into sort of mini burgers and ate them
>>18164609Yeah he's full of shit. Tenochtitlan was cool and impressive but not even he would want to live there it was a society obsessed with death and torture.
>>18164615>comparing random rare example of criminals being degenerates to a common practice in aztec societyYeah makes sense.
>>18164197>yet when Euros conquered le heckin brown and black cities they totally tore it down brick by brick lmaoNobody says that except for when it comes to very specific buildings like temple pyramids, which they did usually tear down for fairly obvious reasons. Most cities and towns in Mexico and Peru today are built upon a pre-columbian population center, with many, including Mexico City itself, having very visible traces of its pre-columbian buildings still standing, to about the same extent any modernized middle eastern city does. A handful, like Cuzco, are basically intact,buildings with Inca foundations in active use being everywhere over there alongside the famous Sacsayhuaman fortress on its outskirts, just search for any picture of an old cuzco street really, it's not hard
>>18164609The Spaniards having allies had absolutely nothing to do with human sacrifice, though. After all, all virtually culturally and religiously identical to the Aztecs and practiced human sacrifice themselves, in fact some of Cortez' men who would later join rival factions even accused him of allowing said allies to continue sacrificing and eating people until after the conquest. Long story short, in reality, it was a matter of politics and nothing more (the idea that their neighbors all just immediately rallied around the spaniards the way you think they did isn't accurate either), If you desire, i will talk about it in detail just for you, it's pretty interesting actually>>18164619There was nothing to fear if you were just a random aztec citizen living in Tenochtitlan. they didn't randomly drag people off the street to be sacrificed. Really the only way you as a Mexica citizen could be sacrificed by your own people is if you managed to somehow become a slave
