Why despite being so advanced, to the point that any invader become Chinese himself after just one generation settled there, this civilization was never able to be adopted outside "Yellow (Han) China"? Someone can argue expect that with the Tang (check out its expansion) or the Yuan (Mongol) dynasty, things like Taoism, Confucionism, Mandate of Heaven, etc. would have settled in Russia (Golden Horde) and through there to Western Europe (Saint Louis IX of France sweared vassalage to the Mongol Empire, and alongside the Popes Urban IV, Clement IV and Gregory X, all recognised Jesus Christ as Son of Tengri (Altaic Jupiter)).
Another interesting thread that dies. F.
>>18380227The Chinese had everything they could ever need, and weren't really concerned with what other people did so long as it didn't bother their hegemony. That said, much of Asia did incorporate Chinese philosophies/governmental practices simply because they were so efficient.
>>18380227> any invader become Chinese himself China routinely raped and conquered both steppe nomads and Tungusics.You map literally shows China raping and conquering the steppes during the Tang dynastyThe Qin dynasty ethnically cleansed and raped the Xiongnu out of Ordos loop in Inner Mongolia and later Han dynasty destroyed the Xiongnu in Outer Mongolia and Kyrgyzstan Ming dynasty castrated Jurchen (Manchus) like Yishiha, sliced their leaders like Wang Gao to death and raped their women in the Nurgan regional military commission and Jianzhou Jurchen guard.China continued plenty of semen and DNA to steppe nomads and TungusicsMeanwhile Mongols raped KoreansManchus raped Koreans in 1627 and 1636Han Chinese raped Koreans when conquering Gojoseon Koreans claimed Goguryeo, and Han Chinese Cao Wei and Murong Xianbei Northern Yan both mass raped Gorguryeo when sacking the capital Hwando and Xianbei took Goguryeo royal women as sex slaves.
>>18380227Korea? Japan?
>>18380227what do you think a civilization is? it's a devise of living.Chinese civilization does not suit the environment outside of northern chinese plains. it was rather a good achievement that it extended to the southern china that belonged to a different biome and farming traditions.
>>18380859based>>18380227China raped the folks that raped the rest of Eurasia /thread
>>18380227Tang Expansionism (and the earlier sinified Northern Wei Xianbei expansionism) led to the partial Sinicization of many Eastern Central Asian groups. This is why people like the Khotan, the Tanguts, the Khitans, and the Jurchen.It just seemed to you & others that Chinese culture did not spread outside of Han-lands because most of the Central Asians that adopted Chang culture either became part of China or Invaded China and became fully sinicized (like what happened to the Jurchens and their Manchu descendants). So they ended up being part of your Yellow China in the end.Also the Yuan Dynasty did not rule the entirety of the Mongol Empire. It broke up by the time of Khubilai which is why Khubs focused on being Emperor of China as it is the only part he could realistically rule.
>>18380227Korea, Japan, and Vietnam are right there man. That's the traditional chinese sphere of influence. And ig also the Tarim basin sometimes. But really that always leaned more towards India, Iran, etc.> Tang (check out its expansion)That map is inflated to shit.>Yuan (Mongol) dynastyThey didn't actually rule any part of the Mongol empire except their own. And for the record they were much more into Tibetan culture. Even if they adopted the trappings of the chinese one. They were much more intent upon promoting Tibetan rather than Chinese culture. And even then their promotion of the this culture was lukewarm at best.
Imagine what could have been if the Song dynasty wasn't conquered by the Mongolian hordes... VGH...
>>18381446>And ig also the Tarim basin sometimes. But really that always leaned more towards India, Iran, etc.By the time of the Tang Dynasty, the Tarim Basin Kingdoms were this bizarro mix of Iranic Speaking Buddhists with Pajeet names waltzing around in Tang Chinese Clothing.pic related: Visha Sambhava, King of Khotan.
>>18381446The map is real>>18381419>>18381446>>18380227Khitan Western Liao (Qara Khitai) practiced Chinese culture and uses Chinese dynastic and reign names with Chinese as official language, when it ruled Muslim Central Asia and did not control any Han lands.Ilkhanate used Chinese language seals on letters to the Pope and Chinese dragon robes as well as Chinese paper money when they ruled Iran and Iraq.
>>18380227Well the Qing conquered all of inner Asia, and the Japanese, Koreans and Vietnamese adopted their civilsational package wholesale, so I think the premise of this thread is wrong.
>>18381463>>18381601You don't see Central Asia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, Korea nor Vietnam speaking Chinese nor following any Chinese religion-philosophy.I think my premise stands, because I was asking what failed for the Chinese civilization to not settle outside "Yellow (Han) China".
>>18381671>Japan, Korea nor Vietnam>not following any Chinese religion-philosophy.Fuck you. Stop wasting people's time.
>>18380227Chinese civilisation: you had to be there.
>>18380859>wumao 10cent>ricedick rapebaby obsessed with rapeMake sure to thank Great Khan Ögedei for not turning your cunt into pasture pic semirelated
>>18381719That's a completely apocryphal story made up to make Yelü Chucai look good The Mongols literally imported Han farmers into Mongolia itself because they also eat wheat in food like buuz, retard.Kublai, Genghis all wanted grain and Mongols regularly traded for grain.Genghis and Ogedei both had Han generals and Han tumen who helped conquer Khwarezm and destroy the Jurchens, like Guo Baoyu, Guo Dehai, Shi Bingzhi, Shi Tianze, Shi Tianlin.
>>18381719>>18382142Han general Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman and another son of his married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer.Han general Shi Bingzhi had a Jurchen wife and Han wife.Shi Tianze had two Jurchen wives, a Korean wife and a Han wife.Shi Gang had a Jurchen mother.
>>18382142facts>>18381719westoids will simp for genghis even though he raped your ancestors to oblivion, meanwhile red turbans brought the fight to the mongol heartland and razed xanadu, something that westoid rapebabies could never accomplish
Wtf kind of map is that?China has never ruled or conquered Afghanistan.
>>18382142>>18382144>>18382586>coping 10cent rapebabiesok zhangs, you totally convinced me you're not a bug servile race
>>18382864China had a Tokharistan commandery in north Afghanistan and Persian commandery in Zaranj, see >>18381463Look up Protectorate general to Pacify the west.
>>18381719Han Chinese military judge Shi Tianlin was part of Batu Khan's rape-invasion of Europe which reached Austria.The Golden Horde army raped an Austrian townKublai Khan also gave Korean women as wives to Han Chinese Southern Song soldiers to defect to his side and become the Newly Submitted Army (Xinfu jun).
>>18383223>>18362265>>18365839 Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278Kublai Khan had to hand out Korean women as wives to the Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang (now turned into the Xinfu jun,newly submitted army) after they demanded Kublai provide them with women, after defecting.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17388491/#q17388491>>17388491Han dynasty China also ruled Vietnam and Korea 2000 years ago.Han general Guo Kan's grandfather Guo Baoyu participated in Genghis Khan's conquest of Khwarezmia in Central Asia.Guo Kan grew up in the household of Han general Shi Tianze, whose sons all married Mongol womenHan general Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait Nestorian Christian womanAnother one of his sons married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer.Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278Shandong Han noble Duke Yansheng Kong Xixue (Confucius family) married a Mongol woman from the Sulduz tribe.
>>18383226Dilate
>>18382586>>18383223>n-no gaijin, they didn't rape 100 million chinkettes>see they took a chink rapist with them to Yurop, that means they were friends!lmao at wumao rapebaby copeeven more pathetic thank shitjeets
>>18383228he's a chink mystery meat rapebabythis kind of behaviour is expected of him
>>18383349>>18383358Your ancestors were conquered and raped by Mongoloid Huns from Asia.>Attila#Appearance_and_character>source provided by Jordanes, who cites a description given by Priscus.[48][49]>He was a man born into the world to shake the nations, the scourge of all lands, who in some way terrified all mankind by the dreadful rumors noised abroad concerning him. He was haughty in his walk, rolling his eyes hither and thither, so that the power of his proud spirit appeared in the movement of his body. He was indeed a lover of war, yet restrained in action, mighty in counsel, gracious to suppliants and lenient to those who were once received into his protection. Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and swarthy skin, showing evidence of his origin.[40]:182–183>Some scholars have suggested that these features are typically East Asian, because in combination they fit the physical type of people from Eastern Asia, so Attila's ancestors may have come from there.[49][50]Your ancestors were raped by Huns and Avars centuries before anyone heard of a Mongol or Genghis.In 1945 the Red army including Mongol Buryats raped your women again in the millions.You will never erase your humiliation and shame you slave.
>>18383226>>18383228Other way around retard.Mongols absorbed Han men into the Mongol ethnicity.Actual ethnic Mongol historian from the royal Borjigin clan, Borjigin Burensain says Mongol princes married off Mongol women to Han Chinese men.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14414077/#q14414134>>14414124https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931>>13224931Han Chinese bondservants and Han bannermen and Han civilians during the Qing dynasty also made up for skewed sex ratio from female infanticide by marrying ethnic Mongol women in Inner Mongolia.Mongol royal descendant Borjigin Burensain himself admitted that Han farmers in Inner Mongolia were given Mongol wives in the qing dynasty.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223613https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223671https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13225368Han Chinese merchants and soldiers also took Uyghur wives in Xinjiang , Han soldiers in Lubu, Lhasa took Tibetan wives and Han merchants visiting Japan rented Japanese girls.
>>18383226>>18383349>>18383759Marco Polo himself said Uyghur Semu in Kumul offered their wives to other menMarco Polo said Uyghur men of Kumul in Xinjiang let foreign men fuck their wives and daughters.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9588542/#q9588542https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9585899/#9589310Kublai Khan handed out Korean girls to Han Chinese men and foreign Muslims and Europeans in China.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7877569/#q7878460https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10828773/#q10830396https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12668741/#q12672821Han Chinese men like Su Tangshe openly married Semu women from Pu Shougeng's family in the Yusnhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14414077/#q14414124>>14414124https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931>>13224931Han Chinese bondservants and Han bannermen and Han civilians during the Qing dynasty also made up for skewed sex ratio from female infanticide by marrying ethnic Mongol women in Inner Mongolia.Mongol royal descendant Borjigin Burensain himself admitted that Han farmers in Inner Mongolia were given Mongol wives in the qing dynasty.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223613https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223671https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13225368Han Chinese merchants and soldiers also took Uyghur wives in Xinjiang , Han soldiers in Lubu, Lhasa took Tibetan wives and Han merchants visiting Japan rented Japanese girls.
>>18382884>>18383226>>18383349>>18383358>>18383762includingKublai Khan handed out Korean women to Southern Song Han soldiers who defected in Xiangyang and joined the Xinfu jun (Newly submitted army).From the Korean history Goryeosa, Kublai Khan demanded Korea provide Korean girls for Han Chinese male soldiers as brides.https://thetributewomen.wordpress.com/https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/高麗史/卷二十七#十五年>三月丙戌,元遣經略司王緫管來,命發軍五千,助征日本,時全羅州道,造船役徒三萬五百餘名,洪茶丘所領監造軍,供給不足,輸東京、晋州道內癸酉,年祿轉與之。王患徭役之煩,轉輸之弊,有防農務,遣上將軍李汾禧,往說茶丘,請令分半歸農,茶丘頗然之,每一[17]船,留雙丁五十人,其餘單丁,悉放歸農。壬寅,元遣蠻子媒聘使肖郁來,中書省牒云:「南宋襄陽府生券軍人,求娶妻室,故差委宣使肖郁,押官絹一千六百四十段[12],前去下高麗國,令有司差官,一同求娶施行。」肖郁令選無夫婦女一百四十名,督之甚急,於是,置結昏都監,自是至秋,窮搜閭井獨女、逆賊之妻、僧人之女,僅盈其數,怨咨大興。例給一女資粧絹十二匹,分與蠻子,蠻子卽率北還。哭聲震天,觀者莫不悽唏。丙午,幸王輪[18]寺。
>>18383349>>18383358>>18383767Mongols sold their own children including daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynasty.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278Kublai Khan had to hand out Korean women as wives to the Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang (now turned into the Xinfu jun,newly submitted army) after they demanded Kublai provide them with women, after defecting.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17388491/#q17388491>>17388491Han dynasty China also ruled Vietnam and Korea 2000 years ago.Han general Guo Kan's grandfather Guo Baoyu participated in Genghis Khan's conquest of Khwarezmia in Central Asia.Guo Kan grew up in the household of Han general Shi Tianze, whose sons all married Mongol womenHan general Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait Nestorian Christian womanAnother one of his sons married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer.Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278Shandong Han noble Duke Yansheng Kong Xixue (Confucius family) married a Mongol woman from the Sulduz tribe.
>>18383349>>18383358>>18382884>>18381719>>18383770The Mongols took Korean girls to give them to Han and Muslim men as slaveshttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PDjWpqU55eMC&pg=PA52https://vdoc.pub/documents/empires-twilight-northeast-asia-under-the-mongols-2i7l4ccfsq10https://dokumen.pub/empires-twilight-northeast-asia-under-the-mongols-1nbsped-0674036085-9780674036086.html>Koryŏ women were inseparable from the popularity of things Korean. The first waves of Koryŏ women into the Mongol empire arrived as captives seized during the bloody fighting of the mid-thirteenth century. These women were variously used as slaves, married to recently surrendered Southern Song soldiers, or distributed as war booty to Mongol warriors. Late in the thirteenth century, Qubilai and other Mongol aristocrats began to demand women from elite Koryŏ families as wives and consorts. Despite initial efforts to avoid these demands, the Korean government eventually responded by establishing government bureaus to organize and control the flow of Koryŏ women to the Mongol empire. What had begun as the seizure of women as war booty evolved into a complex system of formal tribute between the ruling houses of Koryŏ and the Mongol empire. Yuan envoys regularly traveled to Koryŏ to secure women on behalf of the emperor, who often redistributed them as gifts to leading ministers. Yuan envoys and Yuan officials stationed in Koryŏ also requested Koryŏ brides for themselves.
>>18383358>>18383349>>18383226>>18383767>>18383773https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18042156/#q18042184Kublai Khan gave Korean women to Omani merchants. Zero Han women were handed out to foreigner merchants.https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/knowledge-bank/inscription-memory-sayyid-bin-abu-aliAn Inscription in Memory of Sayyid Bin Abu AliThe relations between China and Oman in the eleventh to fifteenth centuries can be witnessed in the existence of Omani names in Chinese literature from this époque. Sayyid Bin Abu Ali was an Omani who appears to have lived in China in the thirteenth century, marrying a Korean lady and dying in Beijing in 1299. His life is commemorated in an inscription, an important trace of the international mobility that was possible across Central Asia in this period.https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/sites/default/files/knowledge-bank-article/an%20inscription%20in%20memory%20of%20sayyid%20bin%20abu%20ali.pdfhttps://en.unesco.org/silkroad/content/did-you-know-sayyid-bin-abu-ali-true-representative-intercultural-relations-along-maritimehttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nVVoRKSZxagC&pg=PA122&lpg=PA122&dq=propose+to+reexamine+an+inscription+of+the+Mongol-.+Yuan+period+relating+to+an+Omani+in+China,+and+to+give+a&source=bl&ots=eej3OhzrJv&sig=ACfU3U2QR9-EeZNG3VNgd_UahBODdnGKNA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiImtW3_O71AhUEjIkEHWCsC88Q6AF6BAgtEAI#v=onepage&q=propose%20to%20reexamine%20an%20inscription%20of%20the%20Mongol-.%20Yuan%20period%20relating%20to%20an%20Omani%20in%20China%2C%20and%20to%20give%20a&f=falsehttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zRPbecWnkoIC&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=%22bo+ha+li%22+%22to+a+korean+girl%22&;;;;;;The Emperor ( namely Yuan Cheng Zhong ] married him to a Korean girl . ... identified Bu A Li ( Abu'Ali ) of Yuan Shi with Bo Ha Li of the Korean source .
>>18383358>>18383349>>18381719>>18381447>>18383780Kublai Khan handed out Korean girls to Han Chinese men and foreign Muslims in China.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7877569/#q7878460https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10828773/#q10830396https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12668741/#q12672821Kublai Khan gave Korean girls to Muslim foreign men like Sayyid Abu Ali the Omani Arab from Mabar in India. He forced Korea to pay massive tribute in slave girls.
>>18383358>>18383349>>18382884>>18381719>>18383792The Mongols literally raped and massacred Jurchens (Manchus).Genghis Khan took Jurchen princess Qiguo as his concubine.
>>18383358>>18383349>>18381719>>18382884>18383794The Southern Song capital Lin'an (Hangzhou) was also never sacked by the Yuan or Mongol empire. The Southern Song Han Chinese emperor Gong (Zhao Xian) submitted at Hangzhou and was then married off to Kublai Khan's daughter in Beijing (Khanbaliq).Mongols gave women to Han Chinese defectors. Mongol women were married to Han officers and captured Korean women were distributed to Han footsoldiers who defected.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7518011https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7517861https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7452921/#q7460338Over half the Mongol empire's army against the Jin Han Chinese from the Han Chinese tumen armies of Shi Tianze, Zhang Hongfan, Zhang Rou.The Mongols only occupied Beijing and other points in the north and demanded Korea pay tribute in Korean women as states in the Korean history book Goryeosa which was never been written or edited in China. Direct quotes from Goryeosa and Robinson's book, neither of them Chinese.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#p7359369https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#p7359270The Persian Rashid Al-din also wrote the Song Emperor Gong was son in law to Kublai Khan after marrying the Mongol princes.The Han tumen General Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman.Han officers like Shi Gang and Han royals like Zhao Xian (Emperor Gong of Song) and Duan Gong who defected were married to Mongol women while Han soldiers who defected were given Korean women en masse by the Mongols after the Mongols extracted the women from Goryeo (Korea) as tribute. The Mongols also gave Korean women to Central Asian soldiers and Tibetan officials like Sengge.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14414077/#q14414167>>14414167
>>18383358>>18383796Yuan emperors never married Han womenThey had Korean concubines like Empres Gi (Ki) but not a single Han womanKublai gave one of his daughters in marriage to a Han, Zhao Xian, Emperor Gong of Southern Song dynastyThe Southern Song capital Lin'an (Hangzhou) was also never sacked by the Yuan or Mongol empire. The Southern Song Han Chinese emperor Gong (Zhao Xian) submitted at Hangzhou and was then married off to Kublai Khan's daughter in Beijing (Khanbaliq).Mongols gave women to Han Chinese defectors. Mongol women were married to Han officers and captured Korean women were distributed to Han footsoldiers who defected.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7518011https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7517861https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7452921/#q7460338Over half the Mongol empire's army against the Jin Han Chinese from the Han Chinese tumen armies of Shi Tianze, Zhang Hongfan, Zhang Rou.The Mongols only occupied Beijing and other points in the north and demanded Korea pay tribute in Korean women as states in the Korean history book Goryeosa which was never been written or edited in China. Direct quotes from Goryeosa and Robinson's book, neither of them Chinese.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#p7359369https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#p7359270The Persian Rashid Al-din also wrote the Song Emperor Gong was son in law to Kublai Khan after marrying the Mongol princes.The Han tumen General Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman.Han officers like Shi Gang and Han royals like Zhao Xian (Emperor Gong of Song) and Duan Gong who defected were married to Mongol women while Han soldiers who defected were given Korean women en masse by the Mongols after the Mongols extracted the women from Goryeo (Korea) as tribute. The Mongols also gave Korean women to Central Asian soldiers and Tibetan officials like Sengge.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14414077/#q14414167>>14414167
>>18383358>>18383349>>18382884>>18381719>>18383799Shi Tianze's (Shih T'ien-tse's) sons were married to Mongol women (a daughter of Menggu Baer (meng-ku pa-erh) and a Kerait woman)https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=efYFEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA150Hu Chih - yü , Tzu - shan ta - ch'uan - chi 15 : 22a . Ch'i - ch'ing Hsiao , on the basis of the epitaph by Hu Chih - yü , has written that Meng - ku Pa - erh's daughter married Shih Ko . Hsiao , Military Establishment , p . 146 , n . 285. However , the epitaph states only that she married the Minister of the Right ( Yu - cheng ) Shih Hou ( the Noble Shih ) , who was the son of the great minister , his eminence Chung - wu ( Ta cheng - hsiang Chung - wu kung ) , i.e. , Shih T'ien - tse . Shih T'ien - tse had 8 sons , two of whom served as yu - ch'eng Shih Ko and Shih Chiang . Although Shih Ko was the more prominent of these two scions of the Shih family , it has not been established which of the two sons became Meng - ku Pa - erh's son - in - law . See the biographies of Shih T'ien - tse and Shih Ko in YS 155 : 3657–3665 . ...https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NpSOAAAAMAAJ&q=shih+t%27ien-tse+korean+wife+eminent+jurchen+endicott&dq=shih+t%27ien-tse+korean+wife+eminent+jurchen+endicott&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&printsec=frontcover&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiXkcyPjs78AhUypIsKHTFXAY8Q6AF6BAgDEAILocal Administration in the Yuan Dynasty Elizabeth Endicott ... Shih T'ien - tse had 8 sons , two of whom served as yu - ch'eng , Shih Ko and Shih Chiang . Although Shih Ko was ... See his The Jurchen in Twelfth - Century China , pp .https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kG45gi7E3hsC&pg=PA41
>>18383358>>18383349>>18382884>>18381719>>18383800Han Chinese general Shi Tianze's Korean wife.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7517687https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8478725/#q8481910https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8480424/#q8482061https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10849996/#q10853971https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10850717/#q10854011https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kG45gi7E3hsC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=%22only+the+principal+one%22+%22The+second,%22+%22was+a+Korean%22+%22the+other+two%22&source=bl&ots=urf72agWf8&sig=ACfU3U1Dk0BLFnhYlMI3eBLwmX5c-vvatA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj5wqOS-KLzAhWsdt8KHQTzBv4Q6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=%22only%20the%20principal%20one%22%20%22The%20second%2C%22%20%22was%20a%20Korean%22%20%22the%20other%20two%22&f=false>T'ien-tse's marriages, as well as those of his father, reflect the prevalence of interracial unions in north china at the time, at least among the élite families. Ping-chih had two wives: one Chinese, née Chang; one Jurchen, née Na-ho. It is not certain whether T'ien - tse was the product of a mixed marriage , but most of his children surely were , since of his four wives only the principal one , née Shih , was perhaps a Chinese . The second , née Li , was a Korean ; the other two , Na - ho and Monien , were Jurchen .Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol woman from the Turco-Mongol Kerait tribe.
>>18383803Mongols killed tens of millions of Jurchens and Tanguts in northern China.Han Chinese and Mongol bulls raped millions of Jurchen and Tangut women.Genghis Khan personally raped a Jurchen Wanyan princess while Kublai Khan gave his own daughter in marriage to Han Chinese southern Song Emperor Gong (Zhao Xian)There were 8 million Jurchens in the Jin dynasty and millions of Tanguts in Western Xia in 1211 when Genghis attacked.There were barely 100,000 Jurchens in 1600.Northern Han defected to Genghis to rape and kill Jurchens and Tanguts, moron.Shi Bingzhi, Shi Tianze, Shi Tianlin, Shi Gang,Zhang Rou,Liu Heima, Guo Baoyu and Guo Kan were all Han generals who helped rape and kill Jurchens and helped Genghis conquer Khwarezm in Central Asia (Guo Baoyu went with Genghis to Khwarezm) Guo Kan helped conquer and rape Baghdad and Shi Tianlin served as military judge under Batu Khan in the Golden Horde.Shi Bingzhi and his son Shi Tianze both had Korean and Jurchen wives, Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman and Shi Tianlin married Mongol women.Why did the Mongols rape the Jurchen royal family but not the Han Chinese Song royal family?https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12163100/#q12163100
>>18383800>ching chong beer pong ding dong holy cope batmanso they raped everyone except for the 100 million chinkettes right at their border?Did you stop and ask yourself what kind of slop you're posting?Were chinkettes much uglier than other women then?Cause we already know chinks were and are weak, so there was no resistance to Mongol rape from that quarter
>>18383811The Mongols literally had to give Korean women for Han soldiers fo defect peacefully copying rapebabyKublai Khan spared the entre population of Song cities like Xiangyang and GAVE them Korean women to surrender.Also, Han soldiers in the Jin army defected to Genghis to help him rape Jurchens (Manchus) and cleanse them from northern China.
>>18381719>>18382884>>18383349>>18383358>>18383811Account of Mongol rape in AustriaIvo of Narbonne said the Mongols did this to women in Neustat, Austria.https://apholt.com/2020/06/08/accounts-of-the-mongols-in-the-medieval-record/They abhorred the monstrous cruelty of the accomplices of the Antichrist,[11] and they heard the pitiful cries of Christians that were arising to God—Christians in the adjoining province who suddenly had been taken captive. Without consideration of class, fortune, sex, or age, they indiscriminately destroyed them all by various forms of torture. The leaders, along with their dinner guests and other lotus eaters,[12] fed on their corpses as though they were bread, leaving nothing for the vultures except bones. And it is a wonder, but the famished and gluttonous vultures, who abounded above in great numbers, did not deign to feed upon the remains. The old and deformed women they gave to the cannibals[13] (as they are known world-wide) as food, as if it were a daily ration. They did not eat the beautiful women [immediately]. Rather they suffocated them under a mass of rapists as they cried out and wailed. They raped virgins until they died, and then their breasts were cut off, which they kept for their leaders as delicacies, and they feasted on their virginal bodies in a more splendid manner.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/386985949_Ivo_of_Narbonne's_Account_of_a_Mongol_Attack_on_Austria_Fact_or_Fiction
>>18383819Ivo of Narbonne said the Mongols did this to women in Neustat, Austria.
>>18383819>>18383824Mongol Golden Horde inseminated all of Kiev, Ukraine and east Austria before Ottomans and Soviets completed the jobs.
>>18383817>absolutely delusional>still copingIt was thanks to Mongol rape that the Han grew stronger and managed to expel them in late Juan and early Ming. Unfortunately Chinese women needed some forest cock as well, so the Jurchen came down a second time to oblige them Thus the Qing supplanted the Ming and forced all Han men to wear the cuck queue
>>18383839Genghis Khan literally raped Jurchen girls like princess Qiguo and Ogedei Khan and Han generals like Shi Tianze mass beheaded Jurchen princes Shi Tianze and his Han tumen crushed Jurchen prince Wanyan Chengyi at Pucheng.Han defector Cui Li opened Bianjing (Kaifeng) gates for Mongols and Han under Ogedei to mass behead Jurchen princes and rape Jurchen women.The Ming dynasty literally raped and castrated JurchensJurchen (Manchu) rebel leader Wang Gao was sliced to death (lingchi aka death by a thousand cuts) by Han Chinese during the Mimg dynasty.His sons Atai 阿台 and Ahai 阿海were both killed.>Wang Gao (王杲): a Jianzhou Jurchen awarded a position of command in Jianzhou. He was put to death by lingchi at Beijing in 1575 due to repeated raids into Ming border territories. He is said to be Nurhaci's maternal great-grandfather or maternal grandfather.Jurchens (Manchus) like Yishiha were castrated as eunuch slaves by Han Chinese.>Yishiha (Chinese: 亦失哈; Wade–Giles: Ishiha/I-shih-ha; also rendered as Išiqa and Isiha;[1] Jurchen: i ʃï xa[2]) (fl. 1409–1451), sinicized name Yi Xin (易信), was a Jurchen eunuch of the Ming dynasty of China. He served the Ming emperors who commissioned several expeditions down the Songhua and Amur Rivers during the period of Ming rule of Manchuria,[1][3] and is credited with the construction of the only two Ming dynasty Buddhist temples ever built on the territory of present-day Russia.[4]>It is believed that Yishiha was a Haixi Jurchen by origin,[1][5] and was captured by the Ming forces in the late 14th century.[1] He worked under two important eunuchs, Wang Zhen and Cao Jixiang. It is speculated by modern historians that he rose to prominence by participating in imperial court politics and serving the Yongle Emperor's concubines of Manchu (Jurchen) origin.[6][7]
>>18383839>>18383905Japanese women and girls got raped by Jurchens (Manchus) en masse in the Toi pirate raids.Under Ming dynasty southern Han Chinese rule, Jurchens (Manchus) were forced to sell their daughters or starve to death in famine during the ninth 9th year of the Ming Xuande emperor's reign.>宣德九年,女真地区灾荒,女真人被迫卖儿鬻女,四处流亡,逃向辽东的女真难民,希望得到官府的赈济。针对这一情况,亦失哈急忙上疏,请求动用贮存在这里作为赏赐奴儿干的粮食和物资,赈济前来求食的难民。英宗立即批准了他的请求。除此之外,亦失哈还动用个人的积存,救济难民。The Ming Yongle emperor already had Jurchen women and Vietnamese women as concubines and Jurchen eunuchs like Yishiha and Vietnamese eunuchs like Nguyen An after conquering Manchuria ruling it as the Nurgan regional military commission and conquering Vietnam, ruling it as Jiaozhi. Both Vietnamese and Jurchens women were having sex with Han Chinese men.Jurchen Toi pirates once got on ships and raided Japan for girls to take and rape as concubines and sex slaves.>The Toi pirates sailed with about 50 ships from direction of Goryeo, then assaulted Tsushima and Iki, starting 27 March 1019. After the Iki Island garrison comprising 147 soldiers was wiped out, the pirates has proceed to Hakata Bay. For a week, using Noko Island [ja] in the Hakata Bay as a base, they sacked villages and kidnapped over 1,000 Japanese, mostly women and young girls, for use as slaves.>1019 Michinaga falls ill and takes holy orders, but continues to dominate the court.>Toi (Jurchen)pirates in fifty or more ships ravage Tshushima, Iki, and the northern coast of Kyushu.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8101383#p8101398https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/his/image/1581/93/1581937580379.png
>>18383909Map of China in 1415, Han Chinese men ruling and having sex with both Vietnamese and Jianzhou Jurchens (Manchus). Manchuria was ruled as Nurgan regional military commission and Vietnam was ruled as Jiaozhi province by Ming dynasty.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurgan_Regional_Military_CommissionThe Ming had Jurchen (Manchu) and Vietnamese eunuchs and concubines when it ruled both of them at this time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yishiha>Yishiha (Chinese: 亦失哈; Wade–Giles: Ishiha/I-shih-ha; also Išiqa or Isiha[1] Jurchen: Yishiha.svg i ʃï xa[2]) (fl. 1409–1451) was a Jurchen eunuch in the service of the Ming dynasty emperors who carried out several expeditions down the Songhua and Amur Rivers during the period of Ming rule of Manchuria,[1][3] and is credited with the construction of the only two Ming dynasty Buddhist temples ever built on the territory of present-day Russia.[4]>It is believed that Yishiha was a Haixi Jurchen by origin,[1][5] and was captured by the Ming forces in the late 14th century.[1] He worked under two important eunuchs, Wang Zhen and Cao Jixiang. It is speculated by modern historians that he rose to prominence by participating in imperial court politics and serving the Yongle Emperor's concubines of Manchu (Jurchen) origin.[6][7]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguy%E1%BB%85n_An>Nguyễn An (Sino-Vietnamese 阮安; died 1453), known in Chinese as Ruan An (pinyin)[1] or Juan An[2] (Wade-Giles), was a Ming dynasty eunuch, architect, and hydraulics specialist between the first and fifth decades of the 15th century. Born in Vietnam, he was taken as tribute from Vietnam to China and later became a eunuch and architect in service to the Chinese emperors. He, along with numerous architects, such as master designers and planners Cai Xin (蔡信), Chen Gui (陳珪), and Wu Zhong (吳中), master carpenter Kuai Xiang (蒯祥), and master mason Lu Xiang (陸祥), was an important builder[3] of the Forbidden City in Beijing.[4]
>>18383909>everyone but us got raped>we just wore the cuck queue as a fashion statement o algoI gotta say, chinkbot can be funny too sometimes
>>18383839Manchu Jurchen men mass raped Korean girls in 1636Every Manchu man wore the "cuck queue" themselves and Manchus made other Tungusic people like the Nanai (Hezhen) wear it.
>>18383839>>18383913>>18383914>>18383911Manchu Aisin Gioro whored our their own women to Han officers.The Manchus were also already under Ming rule for 200 yearsThe Ming ruled Manchuria as the Nurgan region military commission in the Yongle emperor's reign, and had their Jurchen eunuch slave Yishiha led expeditions against his fellow Jurchens and set up the Yongning temple stele.The Ming Chenghua emperor led brutal genocidal expeditions against the Jurchens that slaughtered and raped them.The Ming executed Jurchen chief Wang Gao in 1575 afte he tried rebelling and taking Fushun city.Nurhaci grew up in the household of Ming general Li Chengliang and he Nurhaci was bilingual in Manchu and Mandarin Chinese and read Ming novels like Water Margin. Which he credited for teaching military tactics.Nurhaci went on multiple tribute missions to Beijing and knew what the Ming looked like onthe inside.The Ming slaughtered Nurhaci's father and grandfather which is when he started planning to revolt.Nurhaci didn't even achieve his first capture of a Ming city in Liaodong by military force.Nurhaci offered Ming officer Li Yongfang in Fushun in 1618 to give his own granddaughter to Li, in exchange for defecting and surrendering the city.That was the same city Wang Gao failed to take decades earlier.Nurhaci's son Hongtaiji gave more Manchu princesses to Han generals like the sons of Shang Kexi and Geng Zhongming in exchange for bringing his entire army over along with hongyipao heavy cannon experts.They also gave Manchu women to Wu Sangui's son.Han banner general Nian Gengyao had two Manchu wives, one of them an Aisin Gioro (daughter of Aisin Gioro Duke Suyan and another daughter of Nalan Xingde)
>>18383913They are obsessed with their own testicles. That's it. Everything boils down to a fear of castration because they have always castrated themselves even if not asked to. Even when they threw off all their traditions all it took was one guy to go back to castration.
>>18380227The "heart" of Chinese civilization is surrounded by mountains and deserts. That's why most invaders get in, become Chinese after like two generations, and then never leave.
>>18384051The Yuan emperors literally fled back to Mongolia in 1368.Kublai Khan literally mass imported Han farmers into Mongolia itself, so did Liao dynasty. Kublai also settled Han farmer soldiers from Southern China into the Amur region of "Manchuria"The Manchu homeland got flooded by Han in the second half of the Qing dynasty and is Han majority now.>mountainsThe Han province of Shanxi is entirely mountainsThe Han province of Shaanxi has tons of mountains and Shandong also has mountains in the middle.Meanwhile Mongolia and "Manchuria" has big fertile plains
>>18380227>>18384051I also forgot to mentionHan people committed mass genocide and rape against the Jie steppe nomads after the slave Jie rebellion. Over 200,000 Jie were killed in the Jie genocide.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jie_people#History>In 319, Jie general Shi Le established the state of Later Zhao in North China, which supplanted the Xiongnu-led Han Zhao (304-329) state. However, the Later Zhao state collapsed in 351. In the period between 350 and 352, during the Wei–Jie war, General Ran Min ordered the complete extermination of the Jie, who were easily identified by high noses and full beards, leading to large numbers being killed.[20] According to some sources more than 200,000 of them were slain.[21]
>>18380227>>18384051>>18384105>>18383811Cao Wei sacked Goguryeo capital Hwando in 244 and raped everyone in it.Murong Xianbei of Former Yan sacked the Goguryeo capital Hwando in 341, and took the entire population captive with all the females as sex slaves, including the Goguryeo Queen mother.Xianbei also raped Buyeo which Koreans claim.Koreans claim Goguryeo as their own.Korean Dokgo claims paternal descent from Xianbei Dugu men marrying Korean women.Mongols and Semu raped Koreans, Manchus raped Koreans in 1636, Han dynasty China raped Koreans when conquering Gojoseon and ruling in the Korean peninsula.Murong Xianbei of the Yan state literally raped Gogurye's capital Hwando and took the queen mother and princesses at sex slaves (Gooks claim Goguryeo as theirs)Han dynasty China sacked and raped Gojoseon in Korea, and Cao Wei did the same to Hwando in Goguryeo.Korea even has Xianbei descended clans like Dokdo>Namwon Dokgo clan (Korean: 남원 독고씨; Hanja: 南原 獨孤氏) is one of the Korean clans. Their Bon-gwan is in Namwon, North Jeolla Province. According to research conducted in 2000, the number of Namwon Dokgo clan members was 452. Their founder was Dokgo Gongsun [ja] who was from Henan. Dokgo Gongsun [ja] was one of the Eight Scholars (Hanja: 八學士) in Tang dynasty and was naturalized at the end of Silla. Dokgo Sin (Hanja: 獨孤信), a descendant of Dokgo Gongsun [ja], became Prince of Namwon. Then, Dokgo Sin (Hanja: 獨孤信) founded Namwon Dokgo clan with Namwon as their Bon-gwan.[1][2]Dokgo comes from Xianbei Dugu (獨孤)Mongols and Semu both raped Koreans.Manchus also raped Koreans in 1636 and Japanese also raped Koreans.
This board is so weird.
>>18384107you have entire clans in Korea descended from white Dutch, Turkic, Arab, Mongol, Jurchen, Japanese and Han Chinese semen>>Byeongyeong Nam clan (Korean: 병영 남씨; Hanja: 兵營 南氏) was one of the Korean clans. During Joseon period, the ship of Hendrick Hamel’s group had an accident and was adrift in Jeolla Province. After that, a member of Hendrick Hamel's group married a Korean woman, and his descendants are the Byeongyeong Nam clan.[1]
>>18383905>>18383909>>18383914>>18383929>t. what centuries of STEPPEBVLL rape and cuck queue does to a mf'ergrim zhangoid. very, very grim your great-grandfather most likely had the slave haircut. Mine certainly didn't
>>18384428The "slave haircut" was worn by every single Manchu man including the Qing emperors himself.
>>18384442>chink copelmao you lie more than a rabbilet me educate you on your cunt's historyThe Manchus loved wearing that hairstyle because it was their ownThe han absolutely hated it because it reminded them of their servile statusthe bestial han also bound their women's feet like the absolute cretins they were because dey culcha or somethingThe noble Manchus never stooped that low but they never prevented it either because they didn't careBut if they caught a male chink not sporting the cuck queue they would behead himnow go to sleep wumao ricebrain rapebaby, you learned enough for one day
>>18384447>The Manchus loved wearing that hairstyle because it was their ownCoping Imjin war rapebaby, Manchu prince Aiain Gioro Zaifeng (Prince Chun) said he openly felt humiliated when Europeans mocked his queue and wanted to stop wearing it but he couldn't Manchu men weren't allowed to wear any other hairstyle because they are the insect bug conformists you project on Han.No Manchu man before the Qing either vould wear another hairstyle or he would have to flee and move to another country They just expanded their own internal laws onto the entire Qing.The Nanai (Hezhen) are the closest relatives of the Manchus.They are southern Tungusic, the only other southern Tungusic branch besides ManchuThey didn't wear the shaven forehead part, and the Manchus forced the Nanai to shave in the 1630s when Hongtaiji ked a campaign to conquer them.The Northern Tungusics were also forced to shave.These were their own Tungusic brothers, rapebaby.Uyghur Muslims already shaved their entire heads before the Qing, so ordering them to shave their heads was redundant.It was not restricted to Han.Han did footbinding to stop women from mixing with make strangers while Manchus let their wives talk to male strangers and have sex with them.
>>18384447>>18384508Manchu women in Xi'an often left the Manchu banner quarter to go to the hot springs outside where Han men also bathed.289>and there were other reports of debauchery at Xi'an insinuated in the redaction of new rules of behavior for the residents of the Manchu city that specifically forbade women to visit the hot springs: "Xi'an's [ banner] women who go to the hot springs are very numerous, which greatly concerns their lives, since many of them now have bad reputations. It would be best to outlaw this, too. "68484>68. YZMaZPZZ 1 22 1 , Sumurji, YZ7.R7.24.YZMAZPZZ . See Yongzheng chao Manwen zhupi zouzhe .Yongzheng chao Yongzheng chao Manwen zhupi zouzhe Yongzheng ( Qing Shizong ) shilu ( Yongzheng ) Zhupi yuzhihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huaqing_Pool
>>18384508>coping chink continues to lie like the worst rabbiyou are made for each other. no wonder your servile race 'chose' the most soulless and dystopian regimeAnd FYI your cope is 100% wrong but you already knew it, you sniveling yellow ratThe Manchu prince only felt 'humiliated' because foreign dignitaries saw it as backward, this in the 19th centuryBut it very much was a Manchu haircut and the han bugs were forced under penalty of death to wear it for 300 years. Some continued to do so even after the Manchus were dethronedThat's why I don't take your bs seriouslyBecause you are a pathetic lying rapebaby
>>18384560>300 years.That's how many years Han raped Koreans in Lelang, not the length of the Qing dynasty>Some continued to do so even after the Manchus were dethronedNo they didn't rapebaby.Han who objected to the hairstyle objected to the shaving, NOT the braid.They cited Confucian teachings against cutting hair.Early Anti-Qing movements like Taiping even forbade cutting the braid, only ordering men to cease shaving.Cutting the braid would violate Confucian customs even further.Traditional Confucianists after 1912 continued keeping the braid long, but stopped shaving.Westernisers demanded men cut the braid off too to copy western hairstyles, but traditionalists refused and cited Confucianism again.No one continued shaving the forehead after 1912 (when Korean women were uses as condoms by Japan after getting impregnated and raped in the Imjin war)>The Manchu prince only felt 'humiliated' because foreign dignitaries saw it as backwardLying insect, he was openly humiliated and wanted to cut the braid off right then and asked the Qing government to but they refused.
>>18384560>>18384731Queue was never only directed at HanThe Manchus forced their closest Tungusic brothers the Nanai (Hezhe) to shave their foreheads.Korean male slaves taken as slaves to the Eight Banners were shaved while the Korean female slaves were uses as cockwarmers.Manchus both raped Korean women and left the ugly Korean girls pregnant in Korea spawning modern Koreans, and took pretty Korean girls with them to the Qing as slaves.
man china has like 6 gorillion people, that is its sphere of influence along vietnam/japan/korea
>>18384734Manchus raped hanettes more than any other ethnicityThe Mongols too>>18384731>cope and kvetch>hasn't read its own historyBe quiet rapegoblin and stop lying like a jude
>>18385364The Mongols literally handed out Korean women as wives to Han defectors and to foreign Muslim men.Koreans were raped by Mongols and all their allies the most.Manchu bannermen, Mongol bannermen and Han bannermen all mass raped Koreans in 1636.Manchus were raped by Ming for 200 years in Nurgan and by Mongols before that.Genghis Khan amd his Han tumen generals like Guo Dehai and Shi Tianze raped and massacred Jurchen Manchus>hasn't read its own historyYou're the one coping rapebaby.A ethnic groups including other Tungusics were required to shave in the Qing. It was never only Han required to shave.Han people never cared about the braid. The Qing even paid silver from the government treasury to Han in Fuzhou to shave.Korea Silla royal Kim family is of Xiutu Xiongnu Jin descentKorea Gojoseon royal families were of Han paternal descent from Jizi (Gija) and Wei Man (Wi Man)Korea Goryeo royal family claimed paternal ancestry from Tang dynasty emperors who impregnated a Korean woman claiming paternal ancestry from Zhou dynasty kings of China.
>>18385364>>18385541Also Crimean Tatars are of direct Momgol descent and they raped whites until 1783.They raped up to Austria until 1683.Kazakh Khabate raped white German settlers in the Volga until 1847.Both Khanates came from the Mongol Golden horde.
>>18383819>>18385541Ottoman Turks did this to Austria multiple times.>During the siege of Vienna, the Ottoman troops pillaged the countryside around Vienna, killed many civilians and took many survivors as slaves. Peter Stern von Labach described it:>"After the taking of Bruck on the Leitha and the castle of Trautmannsdorf, the Sackman and those who went before him, people who have no regular pay, but live by plunder and spoil, to the number of 40,000, spread themselves far and wide over the country, as far as the Ens and into Styria, burning and slaying. Many thousands of people were murdered, or maltreated and dragged into slavery. Children were cut out of their mothers' wombs and stuck on pikes; young women abused to death, and their corpses left on the highway. God rest their souls, and grant vengeance on the bloodhounds who committed this evil."[30]>Approximately 20,000 people are estimated to have been captured and kidnapped in to slavery in the Ottoman Empire, of which few ever returned: the Ottomans reportedly preferred young boys and girls and members of the clergy.[31]Turkish men raped both white boys and white girls and castrated the boysTurkey is now in NATO and whites beg them to protect Ukraine from Russia after Turks raped Austrians and Ukrainians for centuries.
>>18385559>Ottoman troops enacted a scorched-earth policy as they retreated, engaging in massacres, plundering and arson.[32]>Instead of going ahead with a second siege attempt, the Ottoman force turned back, laying waste the south-eastern Austrian state of Styria in their retreat.[34]Crimean Khanate Turco-Mongol cavalry participated in these rapes.
>>18385546The Tran dynasty in Vietnam was founded by Han Chinese men (Chen Jing aka Tran Kinh) from Fujian province and they invited fellow Han from Southern Song Fujian to move to Vietnam and crush the Mongol army in 1288https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8078561/#q8084414Your ancestors were raped by Mongols, Magyar, Avars and Turks committed mass rape up to Vienna.Crimean Khanate and Kazakh Khanate took millions of slaves, Kazakhs regularly raided German settlements on the Volga just like their ancestors in the Golden Horde did to German Saxons of Translyvania in Romaniahttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/11936877/#q11936953
Vietnam's capital Hanoi was sacked and raped by 3,000 Mongol and 10,000 Yi soldiers in the first Mongol invasion of Vietnam.The Mongols knew how to counter war elephants in jungles. Mongol horse archers fired arrows at the feed of Vietnamese war elephants at the battle of No Nguyen in the first Mongol invasion of Vietnam in 1258. The war elephants stampeded and retreated, trampling the entire Vietnamese army to death and the Mongols won the battle. The Mongols then captured and sacked the Vietnamese capital at Hanoi and burned it, occupying the city and raping Vietnamese women.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9372361/#q9379526Vietnamese Wikipedia victory in the Mongol invasions. The actual source says the Đại Việt army was slaughtered and Vietnam's capital Thăng Long, now Hanoi (Hà Nội) was sacked by an outnumbered Mongol and Yi force which withdrew due to malaria and after the emperor of Đại Việt submitted but a Vietnamese Wikipedia editor change the numbers to make Đại Việt seem outnumbered.https://s1.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/his/image/1590/01/1590010757514.jpghttps://archive.is/BqnPahttps://archive.is/Gct0Ehttps://is2.4chan.org/his/1598464281001.jpghttps://archive.is/uqtOFWikipedia article authored by gooks>[gook source]>30,000 soldiers>of which at least 2,000 were Yi troops>Western sources estimate>100,000 Mongols>10,000 Yi soldiersWhat the Western source cited only as "Atwood, C" without title or link actually says>3,000 Mongols>10,000 Yunnanese Yi tribesmenThe gooks didnt just add 97,000-27.000 invented Mongol soldiers to the actual 3,000 to cope with their defeat. They where so butthurt that Yi troops raped them (ethnic minority from the forested mountains of China's Yunnan province) so they switch the weight massively towards the "superior" Mongol invaders.Thats just the first paragraph of the 1st defeat they call a victory.
