Throughout history they seem to only be buckbroken by Anglos, or Normans or Vikings to a smaller extent. >le monks saved le civilization during le dark agesEven their early medieval feats did not seem nearly as important as the Franks or Visigoths.
>>18735394I guess their moment of glory is right now since they have the best pr (positive-negative ratio) among western european nations besides spain, particularly with their support of palestine and anti-apartheid, which allows them to shift the reputation of drunk tourists in sunny countries to the brits when the irish are just as guiltypeople who'd ordinarily hate anglos (south asians, hispanics, arabs) love the irish
>>18735394Wellington and Andrew Jackson (kind of sort of)
>>18735394You don't know anything about Irish history.How the fuck did the Vikings buck broke the Irish? It was the other way around if anything. Vikings never conquered Ireland or stood a chance of it.Normans couldn't conquer Ireland either and the Irish were able to reclaim land lost to them.Ireland wasn't conquered by anglos until the early 1600s and there was major wars and rebellions then after because the Irish never gave up.Ireland was invaded in 1172 and wasn't conquered until 1609.The fight the Irish put up is glorious in itself.
>>18735396bro really thinks your average thirdie slumdog sincerely distinguishes between 'the colonizers' and 'the (euro) colonized' when 'the wh*toids* are discussed kekThey'll be 50% nons by 2040 and you can guarantee every 'based' thirdie will justify it because a bunch of irish peasants were cannon fodder when their country was occupied by the bongs
>>18735394Anglos themselves got completely buck broken by the Vikings and Normans. Look how much land the Vikings ruled in England compared to Ireland. What the Vikings had in Ireland was miniscule in comparison and the Irish kings eventually subjugated them.The Normans tried to conquer Ireland but couldn't and unlike anglo Saxons the Irish regularly beat them in battle and took castles and land from them and imposed a tax on towns ruled by Normans called the black rent. Normans integrated into Irish society too.Anglos in Tudor times made an effort to conquer the whole island and it took a 60 year long campaign to conquer the island and it ended with the treaty if Melifont.Irish put up a fight and then were nearly brought to complete destruction and annihilation but survived it and that's glorious when you see just how evil and genocidal the people they were up against were.
>>18735701>>18735714is this the chinkspammer kek
>>18735714I can see why the irish and palestinians share such a beautiful friendship
>>18735761are you implying that this is all cope, and the Irish were buckbroken like the Palestinians? It’s all true though, the Irish continued to hold on until the 1600s, it took 500 years to conquer the island. But they still tried to rebel after that AND succeeded finally, plus Northern Ireland has power sharing now. Ireland held out and won
>moment of glorySure, like most nations Ireland has plenty of moments of national pride. Of course its only the underage people and redditors who see history as an epic aura moments compilation, but here are some examples;>Battle of Clontarf, 1014The Viking Age in Ireland in general was one of near endless Gaelic victories against the Vikings, but Clontarf was part of the national "epic" for a long time. Brian Boru, having united Ireland, marched to face down an enormous invasion of Norsemen from Britain and Scandinavia which hoped to aid a rebellion against him and kickstart a new Viking Age. They were completely and utterly destroyed at Clontarf, and the Norse population of Ireland were assimilated.>Legal Achievements of the Brehons; the Peace of the Synod of Birr, 7th CenturyIreland's "Magna Carta" moment, only instead of mere limitations on the power of Kings (which already existed by this stage) but instead a sort of proto-geneva convention which was applied across the island, protecting non-combatants and their property from harm. Remained in place until the Vikings arrived.>Rebellions; Martyrs Even unsuccessful rebellions became powerful rallying points for the national consciousness, often very deliberately. Whether it was the OG United Irishmen, their successors with Emmet, the cumulation of Republican efforts in 1916 or even the late 20th Century Republican revival, every Irish generation has had national heroes in living memory to look up. Not many countries can boast that, with many today having to look back to WW2 or further to find sources of national inspiration.
>>18735446not irish in any way>>18735701>le normans couldnt conquer irelandthey conquered practically all of it they just assimilated like they did in england>>18735714taigs pretending the 1640s rebellions and williamite war were "wars of independence" instead of just wars fighting to see what english king they would serve is hilarious
>>18735873Silence, orange dog. Your masters are talking.
>>18735880Pictured: your rulers
>>18735761I can see you're a hook nosed kike like this rat here too>>18735796Hitler was right about you vermin.
>>18735873They wanted Ireland to be a separate kingdom with the same king as England and Scotland but with an Irish Parliament governing Ireland. The king would have been just a figurehead and the Irish would have ran Ireland themselves separate of the other kingdoms. Makes sense considering if they'd been successful in the war and wanted full independence it probably would have lead to fighting over who in Ireland would have become king of Ireland. >>18735873>to see what english king they would serve is hilariousThe Stuarts were Scottish. English haven't had an English king since Harold nearly 500 years previous and you haven't had an English king since. You've served nothing but foreign kings and foreign lords for a 1000 years. You're ancestors were grovelling at the feet of French lords and were mere serfs who suffered brutal punishment for the slightest thing they did wrong. Even today in England the upper class are of French stock and see the lower Anglo Saxon classes as subhuman.
>>18736207NTA but>The king would have been just a figurehead and the Irish would have ran Ireland themselves separate of the other kingdomsNot at all the case.The anon you're replying to is indeed retarded, but the reason they fought for the Stuarts was on account of the promised Graces which would have *mostly* ended Catholic Persecution, but which would NOT have allowed true self governance. Poyning's Law would have remained in effect. The first time an actual>Ireland, the Nationthing emerged beyond just trying to swap one dynasty for a less shitty one was the Patriot movement in the 1780s.
>>18736276I think anon is specifically talking about the Irish confederation of the Cromwellian wars, which did have true self government and was basically Catholic proto-nationalist state in which the king had zero actual power despite still ostensibly being the king. Hence why it spent most of the war fighting with the actual Kingdom of Ireland
>>18736207it wasn't le war of independence, they were fine with english settlers there as long as they were old english catholicsLARPing and pretending the williamite wars and 1640s were proto wars of independence is retarded>The Stuarts were Scottish. English haven't had an English king since Harold nearly 500 years previous and you haven't had an English king since. You've served nothing but foreign kings and foreign lords for a 1000 years. You're ancestors were grovelling at the feet of French lords and were mere serfs who suffered brutal punishment for the slightest thing they did wrong. Even today in England the upper class are of French stock and see the lower Anglo Saxon classes as subhuman.Nice LARP but in reality norman chroniclers were seething with rage less than 60 years after the norman conquest that normans were adopting english styles and learning english. divisons between saxons and normans had ended by the start of the 14th centurythe idea that all upper class english people are normans is an ahistorical LARP.>le class systemIrish people were serfs for the entirety of their history, gaelic society was a stratified caste system shithole on tier with india, you are not le gaelic conqueror you would have been a slave of the o neills. the english had no such thing, english working class people in the 1500s could easily become noblemen
>>18736310Actually Brehon Law did not have serfdom. It was stratified as fuck no doubt but serfs as a class bound to land simply did not exist.
>The Stuarts were Scottish>English haven't had an English king since Harold
ITT: malding Brits
>>18736331you literally larp as native americans and australian abosand i don't mean american plastic paddy retards i mean actual irish people in academia
>>18736350oh you're that guy. I thought you stopped posting.Do you really still scour the internet for things to make you angry about the Irish?
What do you guys think caused the huge amount of seething about Ireland on /his/? It wasn't like this when /his/ first started. Do you think it was the huge influx of underage posters in 2016?It's been the same retards posting the same shit for years and years. Mindbroken.
>>18736350Just wait until you find out what British academics are cooking up these days
>>18736293the anon you're replying to lurks on twitter and facebook to screenshot comments to come here and cry about them. he admitted he's been doing it for like 10 years. hopeless fella
>>18736356Just some autistic bongoloids on the dole. This demographic has been seething about Éire on 4chan since forever.
Anti-Irish seether is annoying but he is right about Irish Folklore and Mythology>Look for information about Nordic Mythology/Folklore>Find university published, sourced books written by respected academics>Look for information about Greek Mythology/Folklore>Find the same thing>Look for book about Irish mythology>Find trash written by "historians" with names like Siobhan Silverwolf proclaiming how Saint Brigid was a pagan goddess
>>18736350>i don't mean american plastic paddy retards i mean actual irish people in academia>Robert Macfarlane (British)>Merlin Sheldrake (British)>Machán Magan, the only Irish person listed who's best known for his Irish language activism and work about world cultures and globalisation (NOT HISTORY)are you addicted to getting BTFO or something>>18736361You're looking in the wrong places them, anon. Most of what we know about Pre-Christian Ireland was written by Christians trying to obscure it. Just go for Ó hÓgáin or get one of the good translations of the Ulster Cycle.
>>18736363Has IrishHistoryanon read any Hutton? His thesis is that virtually all of what we know about Paganism was created by 19th and 20th century hack folklorists who interpreted everything old as Pagan.His writing about the so called "Goddess" Cailleach shows her origin as a literary figure in Christian Ireland who gradually became a part of common folklore.
>>18736310>Irish people were serfs for the entirety of their history, gaelic society was a stratified caste system shithole on tier with india, you are not le gaelic conqueror you would have been a slave of the o neills. the english had no such thing, english working class people in the 1500s could easily become noblemenThat is such bullshit and lies. The Irish literally didn't have the feudal system nor were there serfs. They had a completely different system. I was just asking Ai the other day who had it better the Irish peasants or the English serfs and it was the Irish peasants who had it better and more freedom and a better diet and no harsh and brutal punishments for hunting in a certain forest or gathering wood like what happened to Anglo serfs. Irish men were free and English men were serfs and had far less freedom.There was no caste system in Ireland either and saying otherwise and comparing the place to India is just you on trying to deceive people and shit on the Irish.
>>18736350You got your arse smacked and now are schizo posting. Grow the fuck up you spastic child.
>>18736417>taig uses AIloooolenglishmen were freer than irishmen ever wereenglish commoners became nobleman while irish serfs were stuck serving their lord till death >Irish law recognised a number of classes, from unfree to king, which were ranked within the status tracts. Little space was given to the unfree, which reflects the lack of dependence upon slaves as opposed to other societies, such as Ancient Rome. The laws discuss slaves, both male and female, and the term for a female slave, Cumhall, became a broader currency term. Anthropologist David Graeber suggests this indicates a significant trade in female slaves was present not long before the laws were written.[36] As unfree, slaves could not be legal agents either for themselves or others.[37] In addition to the wholly unfree, a few individuals were semi-free. The senchléithe (hereditary serf) was bound to work the land of his master, whereas the fuidir had no independent status or land of his own, but could at least leave as he might desire.[38]There were no serfs after the 14th century in england>>18736358>>18736360melty
>>18736438>There were no serfs after the 14th century in englandThere was no serfs in Ireland throughout the middle ages other than what ones the Normans brought to Ireland with them from Britain.Your green text is about Ireland before the middle ages and Norman invasion. The only slaves mentioned in Ireland just prior to the Norman invasion were anglo saxon who'd been sold into slavery by their own relatives.>The 1171 Council of Armagh freed all Englishmen and women who were enslaved in Ireland,[15] where contemporary sources detail that the English sold their children as slaves, as stated in the Decree of the Council of Armagh: "For the English people hitherto throughout the whole of their kingdom to the common injury of their people, had become accustomed to selling their sons and relatives in Ireland, to expose their children for sale as slaves, rather than suffer any need or want".[16]
>>18736466>There was no serfs in Ireland throughout the middle ages other than what ones the Normans brought to Ireland with them from Britain.because normans abolished serfdom>where contemporary sources detail that the English sold their children as slaves, as stated in the Decree of the Council of Armagh: "For the English people hitherto throughout the whole of their kingdom to the common injury of their people, had become accustomed to selling their sons and relatives in Ireland, to expose their children for sale as slaves, rather than suffer any need or wantnothing wrong with slavery at all kek
>>18736474> normans abolished serfdomAlsoProstitutes abolished sex, cows abolished milk and other delusions of the retarded
>>18736474I'm not the anon you're replying to but you've spat out this pop-history drivel before and when I asked you to cite your sources you pointed me to one book written in the 1970s which is so constantly criticised that trying to find information on it required sifting through the near endless list of people calling its conclusions retarded. I also highly doubt you've ready much (if anything) on medieval Irish society. What books do you base your understanding of Gaelic Ireland on?I'd be happy to talk about the economics of gaelic society prior to the arrival of the Normans, but if you're still just spamming random shit you've pulled from AI summaries on google I dunno if it's worth my time.
>>18736485summaries on google I dunno if it's worth my time.if le irish resisted the normans than how could gaelic society have changed after the normans arrived?
>>18736509>if le irish resisted the normansThey did. I don't know if it was you but the earlier post ITT saying the Normans conquered "basically all of Ireland" was laughably untrue, the peak of their power likely referred to (where they "controlled" over half of it) was a brief affair mostly brought about by a power vacuum, which was constantly challenged. I put the peak of Norman/Hiberno-Norman power not during the Gaelic-Norman struggle but instead during the "uncrowned King" phase of FitzGerald domination.>how could gaelic society have changed after the normans arrivedIt's so vast a shift in history that it's almost purely speculative, but the idea that Irish gaelic society was incapable of evolving makes no sense. It evolved multiple times prior to the arrival of the Normans, either due to internal reforms (Synod of Birr a great example again) or due to external pressures, such as the establishment of powerful markets or the now famous element of Dublin's fleet-which itself was transformative in how many Gaelic Kings saw the political layout of Ireland.Frankly I don't think comparing the lot of the average poo shovelling peasants across Europe in the early/middle medieval period is particularly fruitful for any of the conversations ITT. Just reddit-tier football club approaches to history. Matthew Stout wrote a great book on early Medieval Ireland which includes economic chapters, if you're interested to learn.
>>18735394Yes, they did.
>>18736530>Does this >Refuses to shake hands with the Jews >Wins 3-0 Truly glorious, better than winning the World Cup
>>18735865>every Irish generation has had national heroes in living memory to look upSINN FÉIN SCARED OF THE DARK
>>18735394They were a semi-primitive tribal shithole through most of their history until the Anglos completely conquered Ireland. They were viewed by the British as savage barbarians that should be conquered and civilized and were treated no different from their non-European colonial subjects. In fact, the British colonial model was first tested in Ireland before being applied in their colonial holdings through the world. The northern part of the island was even literally colonized by british scots, completely replacing the natives.The irish are so buck broken that they don't even speak their native language and failed in trying to resurrect it. They might be the most cucked and sissified race of Europeans.
>>18736792>They were a semi-primitive tribal shithole through most of their historyLies and seethe posting>>18736792>The northern part of the island was even literally colonized by british scots, completely replacing the natives.More lies. I live in Ulster and most other Ulster Gaels I know have surnames that originated a thousand years ago in the area and from other parts of the province and those families have always been here. Irish in Ulster out number the porridge niggers who's ancestors were a bunch of subhumans fleeing a famine in Scotland in the 1690s. >>18736792>The irish are so buck brokenYou're literally mind broken and can't pass any thread on 4chan about Ireland without having a meltdown and posting lies and schizo shit.
>>18736792>They were a semi-primitive tribal shithole through most of their history until the Anglos completely conquered IrelandI thought they saved civilization?
>>18736953>Ulster GaelsLmao, stop larping. The only difference between you and a Protestant is that you go to a Catholic church on sund- oh wait, you don't even do that anymore.
