Why You Should Copy Anime:https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpgNaoki Saito: https://youtu.be/8jsZGeaWkhE?si=6HZIvG9Bx3y9qoHs&t=12AnimeShijuku: https://twitter.com/animesijyuku/status/1717415459778347358Krenz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw**Strive for quantity AND quality.**Anime Studying:>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.General Anime Style Discussion:>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**Recommended Resources:https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc/mmg/ - Manga Making General:>>>/ic/mmgPrevious Thread:>>7611054
>>7684653asg... dead...
Donut Hole miku
>>7684653ai pic in op based retard
>>7686360Begtards are barely different from NPC cattle that doesn't draw. They barely can tell the difference.
>>7684653the Naoki Saito 1-month illustration improvement course link is dead. does someone have an alternative link?
I'm a /beg/ who's just been doing fundamental grinding (Dynamic Sketching 1, some Vilppu, accuracy training) but I'm getting a little bored. What are some "easier" things to practice? Making a head might be fun, would be worth going into Loomis Head book at my level?
>>7686472heads, mouths, muscles, arms, legs, draw whatever you want. Heads/upperbody is a great starting point.
>>7686363If you watch enough anime AI should be detectable as AI immediately. It's less beg in drawing but more beg in aesthetics. Same goes for detecting faux anime. It should happen in less than a ~second of glancing at the thumbnail in most cases. Watching cartoons only increases this disability as I've noticed. If you've watched a cartoon made in recent years you need heavy detox.
I noticed that when I try to draw anime faces I tend to put the nose and mouth too high
i feel like i just don't get construction, i just can't see the forms that make up the body.
>>7684653>my study made itNice
anyone got a reup on the mangamaterials collection? preferably in english
Been posting in the beg thread but now that I'm trying to do studies for the first time, I figured I should post here. I just started drawing last week so please excuse weird shit. Critique welcome!
i dont know how to colour so heres an unfinished horse
>>7687876that's a good start for week of drawing, to preface im not good either but i have struggled a lot with heads when i started as well and improved. for now, keep drawing things you like until it becomes a habit. Then, after you know the basic rules, you have two options: the first improves at a reasonable pace while still being fun, which is breaking down anime heads and practicing constructions. The second is faster but more prone to burnout, which is studying the skull and real heads (I'm currently doing that). last thing, another pitfall i fell for was rushing my drawings, take at least 30 min on each head and critique it afterwards. take my advice w a grain of salt and good luck!
>>7688412sugoi
goth osaka
>>7688744>>7688412blog?
I redrew this art from the anime Platinum End. Left is the reference I used and right is what I drew. What do you think?
Here is something random. Tried doing the shading bits but made him look like he had stubble, so I erased it. Any advice, on that specifically or anything?>>7688659Thanks anon>constructionsCan you explain a bit what this means? I'm still new and not sure what you're referring to specifically>study skullI actually did this one time in a previous drawing and was told that irl human skulls don't really translate the same way to manga heads, so I didn't try it again. Should I just do it anyways? Is it generally something good to learn?>30 minsAw shit I was trying to do them faster and faster whoops lol, but ty anon, I took my time with picrel today, and I know it's not just a head nor human, but still, I think you're right in that it turned out better.>your picrellooks amazing! How long did they take you, the Ichigo one in particular? And how long have you been drawing?
>>7688988Lmao, felt really good about this as I was drawing it, then I put it side by side with the ref and I can see I compressed Ichigo into a strange goblin. What happened here? Is it just lack of practice? How did I lose the "sense of scale" or whatever the correct term is so badly??
>>7688988>Is it generally something good to learn?To learn how it works yes, to cope-draw skulls thinking it will make you better at anime no. Same with boxes or any other copes people invent to not draw anime.
>>7689015are you on a timer?
>>7689015>Is it just lack of practice?yeah that's normal anon. also try to find the highest resolution drawings to copy from and do multiple copies of the same thing, can be in the same session or on a different day.>>7689022this anon is right, take more time. just looked at the first serious copy i did and it took me around 30 hours with full color, but i didn't even notice the time because i enjoyed the process.
>>7689018I see, okay. I'll give it a shot again just to experience it some more, but I am mainly interested in drawing in manga style for now.>>7689027>Lack of practiceOkay, sounds good>Multiple copiesYou're right, this seems super important for consistency, I don't think I can produce two drawings that are clearly the same character>>7689022>>7689027Yes and no. I am timing myself just to get an idea for how long it takes, but it's not like I have a bomb strapped to my chest. That said, I have a pretty limited time daily to work on this stuff, and I end up wanting to do a bunch of different drawings.>30 hoursMy god, what did you copy? Can you post it? Maybe a 2 page spread? I can't imagine that I'd still find it fun dropping so much time into a single drawing, but maybe I just gotta try it.
>>7689042>Can you post it? jannies might be gang stalking here so i don't wanna post it. it was a simple composition with 1girl drawn by the character designer of the anime the girl was frompoint is, there's so so much happening in even simple looking drawings by a master. it's overwhelming for a beginner to get it really accurate in all details .since you like bleach you could take your favorite panels or illustrations and recreate them along with these copies of faces/standing poses. not everything needs to be a super long copy. you can spread out the complex copies over days and switch it up when you get tired, overall you're going to get much faster with time.>I can't imagine that I'd still find it fun dropping so much time into a single drawingthe number is just for comparison of what can happen, to not be discouraged if it feels long. it's fine to take long since you're gaining experience. it's gonna train your eye to not gloss over details or symbol draw.
>>7689027I'm going to give the opposite of this Anon's advice and say draw faster. Draw the pose as fast as you humanly can. Don't time it because "as fast as you humanly can" varies wildly from person to person and from pose to pose. Do it 20 times in a row until you get one that looks kind of okay. Then add the details onto your personal best. You can do these in tiny thumbnail form if you want to speed up the process even more, then when you feel you have an understanding of what makes the pose work, draw it full-size.
>>7688988no problem!>constructionsits pretty much breaking down the object you're drawing into simple 3d shapes, a common way to approach the head is a sphere for the cranium with the sides chopped of and some sort of trapezoid shape for the jaw but there are other ways too, you can explore them on pinterest and experiment until you find one that's intuitive for you.>irl human skulls don't really translate the same way to manga headsI've heard that too lurking here, they dont directly translate but they are still the derivative, its much harder to make sense of the simplification you see in anime unless you have a good understanding of where it came from, at least thats how it worked for me. otherwise you'll be copying lines without knowing why the artist used that specific line or why the nose is placed there etc, you can still be successful without it, just takes a little longer for our brains to connect the dots trying to understand the abstract rules of each artist more than with skulls, it just might be boring at first.>it turned out betterawesome! glad it turned out well!>my picrelthank you! it took around 35 min, then i spent another 10 min adjusting the eye area, i skipped a lot of the construction steps for it since this was a front view angle, but you can search 'anime head construction' on pinterest to see what i mean>how long have you been drawingI started last march so about 1.5 years of semi consistent drawing, one of my first drawings were picrel, i have a binder full of these so know improvement is possible!
>>7689313yeah I agree. also you can do hide channel like mannequin traces over it and copy those. if you do various kinds of copies to train all skills like gesture/composition/style it's going to be the best>"as fast as you humanly can" varies wildly from person to person and from pose to poseprobably better to say that you get into the rhythm of copying it so you can get muscle memory and comfort.
Been drawing since 4 years, and I just swallowed my pride and decided to do Krenz exercise (shape accuracy), and noticed my angles are always off by like 10 degrees, worst case was like 20 degrees, and it is been very diffecult, I'm still not sure if I'm cheating way too much on this exercise or not. one thing for sure, it made me more humble, I'm stuck at the "/int/" stage where I'm kinda good and people on twitter like my art, but I feel like a hack and don't know how to draw and I was feeling like I'm stagnating, so I just draw until something looks good. Decided to go the absolute basics, shape accuracy, and this fucked me way too much. guess going to the basics won't hurt. so I'm gonna do a couple of these a day until I acheive 90% angle accuracy
>>7689473This is my first time doing this, so I accept it if it is fucked way too much
Am I eternally stuck grabbing random images off the internet to copy poses?
sketches
there's this japanese youtuber great for uber /beg/s that i forgot the name, can anyone help me?
>>7689831hide channel?
>>7689833THANK YOU!
>>7688744
Here is today's attempt, tried something different and it worked out nicely! Also took my time with it this time and lo and behold, it shows. Should I be trying to draw fast to ingrain it, or just take my time and speed will come?>>7689105>janniesDo they have it out for particular works or something?>spread over daysI will have way more time next week, so I think I will try this out then anon, thank you>>7689313I took my time with this one today; still used a stopwatch just out of curiosity, but I didn't rush in any way. I'm VERY happy with the results, especially compared to >>7689015 gremlin Ichigo here. I tried something new, kinda measuring out the whole body before even starting, and I think that was a good idea; felt like I was making the legs too long at first for example, but then they turned out a good length, I think.>>7689327Okay anon thank you, I will look into construction more, especially with my picrel when I try to draw her from the side and from the back>>7689334>hide channel like mannequin tracesSorry anon, can you expand on this? No idea what this is.
>>7690289>hide channelNevermind, I just saw it was posted about in this very thread lol
>>7689015He's wide.
>>7688412Pretty good, I like the painterly effect, but her hand is really tiny.>>7688958It's weirdly static, and the lance thing looks like it's going between the guy's arm and body rather than being thrust through him, although these issues are also present in the original image.The girl also looks bored and the guy mildly inconvenienced - I would push basically everything about the scene more. You've already put quite a bit of work into the image though - it's not easily fixable at this stage - so I would start over with a loose and energetic sketch. Don't worry about accurately reproducing the original, because it's not very interesting.
>>7690544>Don't worry about accurately reproducing the original, because it's not very interesting.>although these issues are also present in the original imagePost your work, Dunning Kruger bro.
>>7689805Great stuff, Anon. How long you been drawing?
>>7690821Thanks! I started taking it seriously in 2022
>>7689473>>7683578
Today's copy. Pretty happy with this one: can't point to anything immediately wrong with it the way I could yesterday with >>7690289 having a head the size of her torso. Also somehow took me less time to draw despite not making an effort to go any faster or rush. Any advice is welcome.
>>7691582Overall I don't really recommend copying settei, the poses tend to be stiff among other issues. Their point is design reference, after all. Chad's anatomy here is all sorts of fucked. You need to be mindful of what you are trying to learn when copying, and I don't think there are many good lessons to be learned here, all you will be getting is some mileage.
>>7691613What in particular about the anatomy is fucked? The anatomy looks fine to me, as does the drawing itself. There’s a lot to learn from it, such as how to draw shoes, proper thigh shapes, proportions, and even how to simplify. It’s a well made drawing and I completely see why that anon would want to study it
>>7686350How'd I do?
>>7691620>proportionsHe is like 30 heads tall and his body is a rectangle.>proper thigh shapesThere are close to no interesting shapes here. There aren't any folds on the clothes, the drawing is very flat.>how to simplifyThere is a case to be made for this but that's better learned elsewhere.If he likes Kubo, he should copy from the manga itself and apply construction techniques while doing so, so he can slowly learn how to recreate the poses/style while also developing a workflow.
>>7691613>anatomy fuckedI see. I'm not really at a level to recognize fucked anatomy I guess; how can you tell it's fucked up?>mindful of what you're trying to learnGood point, I don't actually know the answer to this, I just know that I was told to copy stuff from anime/manga I like daily until I could do it accurately enough, then start drawing from imagination. What about some of the action poses in the settei? There are quite a few, I had just been doing the easier ones first to get comfortable with it.>>7691620Yeah, I'm not sure what's inherently bad either, but like I said I'm still very new. I'm happy overall with how it came out, but I can see I fucked up the shapes of the arms and legs, so I thought it was a good learning experience. The lips were also way harder than I thought they'd be; took a lot of redoing to not make it look like a racist caricature.
>>7691630Follow up on >>7691629One of the most essential techniques to learn when drawing is how to "see the 3d space on a page". For that you will need to learn perspective and construction, those go hand in hand together. While it is fine and encouraged to start with simpler poses and angles, if you're not mindful of the fundies and exercising those brain muscles constantly you are sort of wasting your time with simpler copies. One popular resource is drawabox, something you can do alongside these copies. >What about some of the action poses in the settei?That would be better since it might also help you with gesture. Overall settei is very hit or miss because, again, they are normally simple ref sheets, nothing else. They don't really have developed elements you can draw from.
>>7691629>30 heads tallHe’s only about an extra head taller on the torso. Generally, it’s 4 heads from the head to the pelvis, including the head. The legs are long for stylized purposes, but that isn’t necessarily inaccurate as long legs are much more realistic than short and stubby ones. >there are close to no interesting shapes hereCompletely subjective>there aren’t any folds in the clothes, the drawing is very flatAll design choices. Given that the pose is stiff, like you said, a lot of clothing folds, or any, are not necessary to communicate the drawing. It’s still clear that he is wearing a shirt and that’s all the artist wants you to see. I also disagree on it being flat. There’s perspective on the shoe, clear overlap on the arm, and the thigh looks rotated. The forms are there but not emphasized because the contour itself already tells what it needs to.
Comic progress.>>7691621Not bad. Its a bit rough and looks like I'm having double vision but you've got the energy and resembelance.>>7691582You can still copy kubo if you want, lord knows I copied vasto lorde panels when I was 15, but I'd reccomend doing your fundamentals and copying a reference from real life in addition to that. I know its not fun but you will learn how things are supposed to look and you will learn how to simplify them in a style like kubo. >>7689473You're never going to be 100% accurate but it never hurts to go back to basics. No matter what level you're at. Just remember to flip the canvas every now and then.
>>7691639Perspective and construction are essential techniques to learn, but one should not approach drawing in such a formulaic way. Studying drawings such as that one help in other ways that perspective and construction may not. It’s important to have variety when you study and vary your approaches and techniques
>>7691645I agree, but anon mentioned he himself doesn't know what he is doing, just mindlessly copying. That's why I'm suggesting he start with fundies while also doing that.
>>7691621Crude
>>7691648Ah that makes sense. I think at the end of the day, it’s just good that he’s drawing
>>7691639>>7691642>>7691648Okay, what's a good regimen to follow for fundamentals? I honestly don't even know what that really means in terms of applicable action, so I don't know what to DO even if I want to do fundamentals. I will do some of that, and then some of what I find interesting like that other anon is saying, since even if anatomy is weird, it could all just be by design>>7691645>>7691641
>>7691656https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKiopm83L8cThis is what I use. Don't overdo like a schizo. I still reccomend you to draw what you like but fundamentals will teach you how to draw forms accuratley and will help you be more comfortable. Again, I also reccomend to just draw something from life or use a reference of a real person.
>>7691656Honestly? Study perspective made easy, loomis, and draw from life .
>>7691656The ratio is up to you, different things work for different people. It depends on how much of a studybot you are and your goals, so you must find your own work balance. As I mentioned, do drawabox. You don't have to do all of it, but I'd recommend at least finishing Lesson 2, as everything you will learn there is a must going forward. Consider everything you learn there as expanding your tool belt, be mindful of it all and make sure to bring and apply the knowledge to your copies. Here is a wip of mine from imagination so you know I'm not bullshitting you. I'm nothing special because I don't draw or study much anymore but progress was quick and steady when I did.
>>7691659>>7691661Okay anons, I will attempt this and post... here? At that point it wouldn't be anime study, I suppose. I guess I'll go back to posting in the beg thread until I attempt another anime study.>>7691666>picrelOh shit anon, that looks great, I'm pretty jelly. How long has this taken you?>depending on your goalsI'm writing a story/have a good chunk of it done, but I want to to make it into a manga/comic. My goal is to at least be able to put the words into panels; at worst, enough so that a much better artist can understand what I'm going for and take care of the art, and at best so I can do all the art myself. Thanks for the suggestions tho, I will apply them to the best of my abilities.
>>7691687What kind of comic are you making anon? You sound a bit like me as I'm making a comic too. What is it about?
>>7691124That's fantastic for just 3 years. Keep it up Anon!
>>7691690Modern fantasy setting where people can gain power from historical myths, and it is a streamlined process, regulated and catalogued by a world organization. Story follows a boy who has one of these connections, called a Divine Concordance, but is the only one in history to seemingly not have it match anything on record. That's a very rough synopsis; I have a lot of it already done in prose, but I feel like making it into a manga/comic would add to it immensely. Some scenes just work better visually than in writing, but I just can't produce that kind of art yet.>Also making a comicWhat about yours, what's it about? Are you >>7691666? Because if so, you already have a leg up on me lol
>>7691687>that looks greatThank you.>How long has this taken you?Probably about 20-30 minutes as I tried a variety of hairstyles, not sure because I don't time my stuff. Speed comes naturally with time and practice, so don't worry about it, it is a bit of a dumb metric.By comic you mean manga? Already having a clear goal is a good start. Copy your favorite comics or mangaka, once you have fundies you can start studing their panels and page composition as well. The things you need to study vary a lot depending on what you mean to accomplish as an artist, and so does your training regime.
>>7691696He is not me, no. I only draw anime girls as a hobby sometimes and have no greater goals.
>>7691696Nice, Sounds a bit like Percy Jackson.>What about yoursDevil may cry 6 fan fic>Are you >>7691666?No, they mog the shit out of me
>>7691702>20-30 minsI know you guys keep telling me timing is a shit metric, and I swear I don't time myself in an effort to rush (anymore), but man is it motivating to see that my not so good copies take 40 minutes yet something like what you drew from imagination took you less.>comic/mangaI do, but I got my ass blasted inside out over in another thread for calling it that without being Japanese, so I figured I'd just call it a comic to avoid weeb rage.>copy fav mangaka once you have fundiesI guess I really need to get on that ASAP then, because I've just been mindlessly copyong some Bleach stuff the last couple of days. I have a few artists I feel exemplify the most important beats of the story, so I planned to look at each for each part.>>7691705I see, still cool. My gf is an artist without any greater goals and I admire her artwork.>>7691707>Percy JacksonMaybe I should read it, now I'm worried it might be too similar.>DMC6I hadn't even thought about this until you mentioned it, but DMC sounds incredible for action pose references. Thanks anon!>mogsHave you posted here already? Maybe I should start tripfagging so I can make it easier for you guys to track me and I don't mix myself up lol
>>7691714>but man is it motivating to see that my not so good copies take 40 minutes yet something like what you drew from imagination took you less.They just have more time under the wheel, I assume your new. Just be consitent and just try and improve over the last thing you did. Use expeirnced artist as inspirtation but dont compare yourself. >Have you posted here already?>>7691642
>>7691720>newYeah very. But yeah, I will be doing a lot of the stuff anons here recommended for the time being, and hopefully seeing some improvement soon.>>7691642Nice, I will be incorporating a large amount of body horror and grotesque figures; any advice on what to use for references? Was thinking of using model viewer mode in games like Silent Hill and Resident Evil.
>>7691613>Overall I don't really recommend copying settei, the poses tend to be stiff among other issues.has never copied anime settei award
I'm having a lot of trouble picking 1 or 2 artists that I'd like to copy a lot of. It seems that very few have a huge body of work with characters from many angles.
>>7692384>It seems that very few have a huge body of work with characters from many angles.You don't need that from a single guy. You want to copy them for stylistic and workflow reasons. Stuff like perspective and angles come from dedicated studies on the topic, where you implement what you learned from the copying alongside everything else. Unless it's a mangaka where the goal is studying panel composition, for example.
>>7692406I thought it would help with consistency if I stuck to 1 or 2, but I'll take your word for it.
>>7692469It does, but not necessarily for angles.
>>7692505I see what you mean now, thanks.
Beginner here, can someone tell me why my drawing on the left(ref right) looks so unappealing?It's like there's some fundamental aspect of shape design that makes my drawing look ugly but I can't quite place what it is.
Didn't think I'd get to draw today, so this is a "bonus". I am trying something multi-day as suggested, and am also trying to apply the construction concepts you guys talked about. This is what I managed to do so far, I will post the ref in another post, please let me know what I can do to improve.
>>7693353ref
>>7693160Stop chicken scratching
Minimaru made a pose practice book to study from a while back. I bought it and found it helpful so i'll share it with you anons. I also threw in his published how to draw book in case you've not gotten it before.Video about the pose book:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnz556U_Yr4DL:aHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9qSmE0Nk8=
>>7691691Thanks, I will! Left side is morpho right side are photo studies
>>7691149OMG ANON, this is actually super helpful <333
>>7684653I tried making this using some of the techniques I saw in a Saito Naoki video. But I'm not sure I like the process, it was tedious and the end result kinda look like ass when I do it.
>>7694419Fuck I'm retarded.
>>7694422the shadow is giving her an extreme brow ridge
>>7693353>>7693354Progress
>>7694843when you're finished try bringing it into an image editor and comparing to the original, you have a lot of accuracy problems
For those who use photoshop how do you do coloring without the ugly transparent pixels next to the lineart?
anyone know the artist of pic related? I rediscovered his art lately and noticed how some of his newer works are kinda not as good, I'm kinda bummed out. I guess you just can't maintain that quality forever.
>>7691621grandma miku
copy 2 weeks in
>>7695086make it a habit to zoom out and flick your eyes back and forth between the reference
>>7694909Alright, what do you guys use? Never done digital art except in mspaint.
>>7695414Almost any works. Krita is free so should be easiest to get.
>>7690289
This is all you need to make it
something went wrong with the angle and the legs
>>7697456Tom Fox's shit is so ugly but a bunch of artists I like recommend his book so I guess I will order it
now that anime fully embraced AI, do you guys have any japanese resources on prompting?
>>7697855Gave it a go to warm up. References of walking poses are helpful. More than anything I suggest thinking about how to make the overall shape and silhouette read more interestingly I think. Even if your anatomy would still be wonky, changing the angle would result in something more appealing.
>>7697916she's not walking, i think i spaced out or something
>>7697923Oh, I see. I thought she was walking because of the gap between her legs. If she's crossing them they should be closed and her feet are close together like the ref.
>>7697913could be a smear frame, and animation errors happen anyway, QUALITY is a meme after all
>>7697931right
>>7697977ah, OK, thanks for bringing this to my attention
>>7697931AI rotoscope,play this webm frame by frame. AI still struggles do interactions between characters so the retards just slowed down the animations It's fucking disgusting. If this becomes successful then it's actually fucking over for everyone with any hope of making it.
>>7697984it looks so bad i seriously doubt it, its gonna become a meme, but why did they do this to my sekiro..
Pixiv Sketch seems to be shutting down soon, anyone hear or see any artist mention where they might stream their art afterwards? I feel like most artists had a pixiv of some sort, so signing up for Sketch wasn’t much work, but I feel fewer want to stream on their personal YouTube accounts. Twitch is even rarer afaik.
osaka
I tried to use construction instead of just copying, I like how it turned out. Also I gave her freckles.
I'm trying to make sense of headsMy references: - Sakura card captor- Azumanga Daioh- Mahoromatic What I'm noticing, is that the "more 90s", the style, the further away the hair is from the actual head, i.e: lots of volume, does this make sense?
>>7698552 good job cutie Murata art is hard to copy
>>7698986yeah, you can find counter examples, but generally hair got more sleek once anime went hd.
>>7698552wtf? doll is that you?
>>7693747thank youAlso I'd fuck Minimaru
Some copy practice
>>7699537very nice
what can I improve? I mostly struggle with the eyes. (No reference for this one, hence why no body )
https://files.catbox.moe/9aemmo.png Marina, from the pink alien octopus anime.>>7699154no
>>7700227pi...
hairhow does it work???do nips just wing it and draw lines that they think will look cool? I can't make sense of the shapes here
>>7702441Look at anime figures or 3d models and see how the hair is sculpted. It's design and an application of forms that can reasonably exist in reality. In 2D illustration you don't have to worry so much about every strand making sense but grouping them into "chunks" helps make it feel believably have volume, fall on the head and face AKA not flat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hUTp9Giyowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y56mI1IEN3I
>>7702441>>7702644You can try and break it down like this.
>>7702441Personally, I found watching hairstyling tutorials quite helpfulFor example this channel https://www.youtube.com/@728ch4/videos
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>>7700751
>>7695919For me, it’s Krita. The best image editing program. I even ask for extra brushes and the community is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.One time I asked for extra plugins and they gave me three. I said, “Wow, three for free!” and the nice friendly lab tech laughed and said, “I’m going to call you 3-for-free!”.Now other artists greet me with “hey it’s 3-for-free!” and ALWAYS give me three plugins or brushes. It’s such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local art online community, I go there at least 3 times a week for art tips and a large download of ink brushes, 1-2 times in the mornings on the weekend, and maybe once in the evening when I’m in a rush but want a great experimental brush that is affordable, fast, and can match my daily rendering needs.I even draw my fries in Krita image editing software, it’s kino! What a great program.
>>7703158Strange inorganic shill post
>>7703722it's a copypasta newfag
>>7700751would be kino if you finished it
>>7704587ok
>>7684653Slow n steady frens.
>>7694843Great work with the clothing.
critique please.
>>7706978ears not long or pointy enough
>>7706978no pupils, and the lines on the eyes aren't clean enough to pull off the blank look
>>7703710>file deletedFUCK YOU!https://files.catbox.moe/d4mtrv.jpg
>>7707267warrior lvl 4
>>7707058>>7707078thanks, i stretched up the eye to make it even. >ears not long or pointy enough.thanks, it's a slight character redesign. or alternate outfit. I wasn't happy with the long ears.
>>7707556Nips seem a little too defined for a shirt that loose. The material would likely hang off the end of them loosely. Maybe keep the tops of them defined but not the bottom?
>>7707281I like the weight of your lines.
>>7707294Semon Lord level threat >>>/b/939090751
>>7706978cute booba
I found whats wrong with my drawing... what happens then?I feel like I'm not actually learning anything.>oh, I should've done that instead>that should go lower>that should be larger, and less slantedthen what?
>>7707905apply those fixes to your drawing. the practical part is the most important part in learning to draw.the theory and logic about drawing is important too. think about why those fixes help. say you made the eyes too close together, spreading them apart helped. why? balance, facial harmony. why are the eyes big in the first place? makes them look cuter. think about bigger concepts as they apply to all the fundamentals of drawing.keep the fixes in mind for your next drawing so you don't repeat the same mistakes.
>>7707926Seems straightforward enough, I'll keep at it then.
sometime on twitter, I see random absolute beginning artist get hired (probably free/peanut labor) to do animation for Japanese studio. Where do these people even get recuitment from??? it puzzles me.
>>7684653After some thinking, I came into the conclusion that people who "draw in anime style" can be generally divided into two camps, illustrators and animators. Illustrators tend to put more focus in the details, while animators' focus are the shapes/silhouettes. Naoki Saito is an example of an illustrator-minded artist, and hide channel & Anime Shijuku (Anime Private School) are animators by trade. I'm not saying that animators can't draw good detailed illustrations because there are some great animators/illustrators like Tatsuyuki Tanaka, Yoneyama Mai, and tarou2. Hiro Kanzaki of Oreimo/Eromanga Sensei is also originally an animator, but he switched career and now an illustrator. So yeah, I think learning from animators is the best path (for me). I hope I can make it in two or three years. >>7708157They get recruited by Seisaku Shinkou/Production Advancement 制作進行 on twitter (it's basically Miyamori's role in Shirobako, go watch it if you want to know what they do). Seisaku is kind of like an editor in manga industry, seisaku's job is contacting animators, offer them to draw some cuts for a certain episode, receive the cuts from the animators, send them to the episode director and animation director for check, and send the cuts back to the animators if the episode director demands a retake. Different episodes have different seisaku so you might only get offered to do this one episode because some seisaku know you through twitter, or you might get a contract to join the project for the whole season by the デスク (desk/chief seisaku). The numbers of animators in the industry are not enough to meet the demand, that's why they have started recruiting foreigners and beginners who never went through the traditional career path (専門学校/vocational school -> in-between -> key animation).
>>7708227The neat part is if these seisaku are animation fans, so they often follow some like-minded animation otaku. For example the Animation Producer for Sono Bisque Doll (who his career as seisaku at dogakobo) follows me on twitter although I'm absolutely a beg.So if you want get your works known, be active on twitter especially the animation community by following a bunch of animators (Japanese and foreigners), anime directors and seisaku (they often put 制作進行 in their bios). Make friends with some foreign animators who have made it in the industry. Some animators like @LissBevs even translated anime guide resources that they share for free.
>>7708227>So yeah, I think learning from animators is the best path (for me)Yeah in the end it depends on what you want to do with art.I'd say even for those who want to be illustrators studying anime character designers' work (i.e. settei) is a great boost to experience. Illustrators can be really hard to decipher while in anime director corrections or settei the shapes are in their "pure" and most clear to understand form.
This might not be a good thread for this, but I felt like people here might have more knowledge.https://x.com/Yosaku_xDoes this account smell of AI to anyone? It seems like he sells physical copies of stuff, so surely someone would’ve called him out if it was generated, but it just smells off to me
>>7708229A animation producer follows me, but he's only twice as popular as i am, makes me question if his shows are even popular in the first place.
>>7708415Yes
>>7708415what makes you think it's ai?
>>7708415It's real. It seems to have some weird filter though
>>7708747Probably a combination of things. There were points where it seemed like his output was high considering the quality. A few of the characters don’t seem to have the exact correct outfit, much comes off as intentionally so, a couple didn’t. And the fact the accounts he’s made are all relatively new, I think. Obviously plenty of people could probably pump out his quality of work, but I suppose it’s just a bit hard to not be suspicious. I’d mostly decided he was legit, but thought 2nd opinions would be helpful.
>>7708415I don't believe it's AI.>Consistent art styleColoring and faces and body types and the way he draws hands are consistent throughout all his works>Eyes aren't oddly drawn AI tend to make pupils and irises different or a bit jank. They can be slightly different colors and the pupils can look like weird blobs. His eyes are crisp and the shinies make sense>Hair maintains thickness and reappears from behind the characterAI will make hair disappear or blend/curl back into itself. His doesn't.>Details like emblems make senseAI is very bad at doing small details. The emblems drawn on his artworks for armor or belts or something look perfect. This goes for swords as well, AI is very bad at making the hilt/handle of the sword symmetrical, but his are fine.This guy is more consistent than I'll ever be. What's sadly likely is that his art was stolen and used to train AI models. Remember that accusing real artists of AI shouldn't be done lightly and that you should have a smoking gun or a ton of evidence before doing so. It's super damaging to people's reputation and the more people that get accused of AI, the less people will be ready to actually witch hunt those who use it.
>>7708872It's AI retard, look at the bodies.
>>7708892It's not AI, retard, nothing about the bodies screams AI
>>7708415Doesn't look like AI, also it says in his bio he sells the actual physical works so why would it be AI?
>>7709542>>7708872>>7708770Its 100% traced ai
First time attempt at studying a manga panel, I added the socks and feet to it to try change it a little bit and especially since it was a cropped panel, i've never drawn socks in my life but I think they look convincing, you guys might be on to something though because I've always just drawn but never 'studied' before and just thinking about how it was drawn opens my mind to different techniques
My first drawing, a copy.I'm worried becouse it took me between 3 to 4 hours to do it.I thought It would be faster
The model
>draw animu>looks westoid>copy setteis 1:1 nonstop >acquire asian genes/can draw animusI never thought it would that easy lol
bros, how the FUCK do nips draw hair!? even copying I can't get it to look half as good
>>7710910post your copies and work.
>>7710892You will naturally improve in speed over time as you get more familiar with drawing, so don't ever worry about how long it takes. The only thing to remember is not obsess over redoing a single thing for hours in a single drawing because that will actually take up all your time
kunoichi tsubaki studies
>>7710912why are you chicken-scratching? Draw smoother lines
>>7710912I love his doujins
>>7709976started posting in 2024. style has been consistent and the quality has been high, Huge resolutions. If he traces then their still an amazing colorist
What brush should I use if I want something similar to Asanagi (victimgirls/fatalpulse)?
I am severely depressed.
>>7712308Hi severely depressed, i'm anon.
>>7712308holy soulfull
>>7712308its cute tho, kinda like okeki style
>>7712308fuckin super cute man, I wanna see more drawings from you
inb4 suicide
>>7712525I only drew the sketch on the left. I don't know who drew the colored version on the right.
>>7712881yeah, I meant your sketch on the left, you should do more sketches and drawings
This is my sketch that Im most proud of to date copied from a pixiv book, been struggling lately because while I feel like I learned a bunch I still struggle immensely without reference. Plus I barely have the motivation to draw lately which sucks cuz it was all I wanted to do until recently.
>>7713102Im retarded
>>7713102
what my brain is thinking is anime catgirl but my hands are not making that
1hr copy>>7695086 was my last attempt 2 weeks ago
>>7684653So i just practice drawing by copying an artist i want to emulate if i'm understanding this right? Not tracing, but copying from memory?
>>7714389learn how to draw what you see first
Are there any other artists and manga authors with similar cartoonish aesthetics and character designs to Soul Eater, Shaman King and Little Witch Academia?
>>7714468the mangaka who did nichijou/CITY's artstyle is pretty cartoony i'd say.
next day's practice >>7713837
I WILL perfect this rendering style, believe it!
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Could I get a critique on this? How do I improve this? How do I make sure I'm following the right steps towards improving?
>>7717509At least spend a 2 weeks on studying a single art piece
>>7717509Honestly there's a million different things I could point out, but you're very new to drawing so just keep at it. I would also recommend practicing line exercises and draw simple forms in perspective
>>7717519So I should try drawing over and over through the course of two weeks, and assuming I'm not completely inept, I should see some improvement?Alright, I'll go for it. I'm pretty desperate to learn how to draw
>>7717586copy anime setteis or illustrations, at least 2 everyday, and u might see some improvement after 2 months
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>>7717586Also try to pick some pic you really like and try to fully copy it to the smallest detail to the point you could be confused about which is the copy and which is the originalAs a beg there's a limit to how much stuff you're willing to notice in a drawing, you'll keep drawing westanime if you never break this barrierDoesn't need to be in 1 day obviously, but if you don't raise your cognitive resolution pic related awaits you
>>7718309what fucking westanime, dude can't draw anything
>>7718313You need to be immunized against it asap, as all westoid resources contain the poison.And sadly most beginners don't have a strong enough resolve towards justice so they're gonna get corrupted into westanime without the immunity pill.
>>7718336just shut up you retard, the yung uns don't draw anything else but anime anyway. you are fighting some 2010 4chin rage bait images
>>7718354>can't even tell the difference between fauxanime and japanimet. low cognitive resolution
>>7718358>muh settei when the japs be doing whatever the fuck they want with their personal stylesmost reliable way to identify a japanese artist is to see if they draw kids
>>7718363>doing whatever they wantt. dunning kruger This isn't working on anyone with a CR of greater than 5 points.You can't draw anime. You can't see what actually makes their personal styles anime. This is why you're getting angry at hearing the truth.You need to boost your CR to grasp the differences and unifying logic between the designs.
>>7718375what's crunchy roll got to do with this? it is western i'll give you that
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>>7718754break time
https://files.catbox.moe/3erogl.pngcunny
How often do you guys copy compared to not copying?
>>7720636100-0
>>7720671this looks so goodgj
Why do you want to draw like the Japanese so much that you call each other "westoids" for the slightest discrepancy? None of you make copies or draw in such a way that people believe that you are Japanese, you all draw differently than the Japanese, why the fuck do you jerk off to them?
>Stop drawing>Come back to drawing>Oh I actually am better than I used to be>Get tired of slow progress>Repeat from step 1why I am like this
>>7720671imagine copying an ai generated image lool
>>7720852that's not AI wtf@onyhakase on X
>>7712267she qt
>>7720837>Why do you want to draw like the Japanese so muchBecause we love their art and have the taste to see its uniqueness and appeal.>call each other "westoids" for the slightest discrepancy?People only do it when westoids are getting aggressive and out of line. Mastering anime drawing is going to take time even for Japanese people, though they have the advantage of not being brainwashed by anti anime propaganda. Why do you expect a thread of learners to have it down perfectly already?
>>7720729thanks
>>7720988I remember how people like you sucking Japanese cock would snap at random anons for being "too Western", anime is Japanese propaganda that should be shut down and discredited
>>7721185>lil bro is malding that he can't draw animeMore and more anons are going to follow the Japanese way and there is nothing you can do about it.
>>7721185i remember western art being good... like 20 years ago. I wish i was able to shut down western art but the industry doesn't even exist anymore, can't shut down the dead.
>>7721205With your attitude towards each other and your current level, you will be identified as a retard pretending to be a Japanese
https://files.catbox.moe/cvkbxn.jpg
>>7721533>your current levelYou don't know my level lil bro. The levels of those on the correct path are only going to increase from here, and even more people will see through the anti anime propaganda. You are going to get mogged even harder by your own countrymen, not just the Japanese now. Get ready.
>>7693354Why is there a tiny guy standing on the back of the girl?
https://files.catbox.moe/vzw6uf.jpg
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>>7723758it's only the tip of the iceberg, that artist is scary
>>7723451stop copying ai>b-but it's only ai assistedstill ai, retard.
>>7724081Meds now. Its not ai
https://files.catbox.moe/b6nxrb.png>>7723758nothing to see here, officer >>7724081what makes you think it's AI?>>7724051TL;DR? someone quickly noticed when I deleted my half dead blog that I updated like once a month, what kind of person do you people think I am? I'm genuinely curious.
>>7724103a danger to society. now, why do you just keep pumping these out and go with your own bad proportions for the face etc. why not just lock in for a bit and learn more? you did say that you just want to get faster but it's such a waste
>>7724108the president is a pedophile that actually diddled real life children, you cry about a cartoon and sofia vergara kisses his underage kid in the mouth.Clown Tranny.
>>7724108My priority right now is to get fast enough to be able to finish lolitober (loliphile version of inktober), so I'm not too worried about accuracy, plus I think they are coming out somewhat decent, still lacking in many aspects, but not completely prebeg tier.
>>7723451>>7724103>>7724171>I'm not too worried about accuracyslop.
>>7724171You are just reinforcing bad habits. You need better accuracy skills before quick drawings are useful.
>>7724383>>7724434Are proportions really that important? the artist I'm studying messes up proportions all the time, specially when doing foreshortening, and still gets thousands of likes. Regardless, like I said before, if I take my time this month will be over before I realize it, just like the previous eight ones, and I won't be ready to take on lolitober.
>>7724720>artist messes uppeak dunning kruger.>*tober>muh memes are more important than quality
>>7724728you are probably right about the dunning kruger part, but the meme has definitely motivated me to draw more
>>7725085Really good how long do these take you?
>>7725088about an hour
>>7725091You want to go faster than that?
>>7725096yes
https://files.catbox.moe/hih2st.jpg
Lineart before I begin to add colors and start painting. What do you guys think?
>>7725147why do you ignore the ref and try to insert your own ugly style? You're not learning
>>7725291He's getting faster which is important.
>>7725291>why do you ignore the ref and try to insert your own ugly style?sense of false pride backed by dunning kruger. it's some weird mkultra conditioning where your mind will tell you it looks better with changes even when you know the truth. you have to actively fight these thoughts to get any good gains. this is why the Naoki Saito method is so kino, it forces you to submit to a superior artist.
>>7725338What is the naoki saito method?
>>7725342focusing on one artist as a model and trying to produce original work in that style just like the model artist would make it, i.e. trying to make the style your own power you can wield. https://youtu.be/8jsZGeaWkhE it's in the OP and his book with the same title.https://youtu.be/QnzYCsj_kbwin nip only but discusses the specific topic.
>>7725338>>7725291>picked one artsyle to focus on>do a quick copy for fun of character in another artstyle>unconsciously modify the drawing to make it look like my focus styleI've noticed this happen when I'm drawing in lower effort mode, not necessarily bad but it can't be all you do. If you didn't spend time on high effort copying you will insert some uglier style. I suspect it's fundamentally connected to cognitive resolution.CR is like a video game resource bar or stat you increase the cap of with focused practice, but if you don't use the skill that uses the resource you only gain a small passive buff.
>>7725085GAWDLIKE but where's the moogle
>>7725292faster at copying wrong
>>7725386name a single thing that's wrong with >>7725085his bodyfucking RETARD
>>7725391the proportions. very important and fundamental to anime style.
>>7725395all the proportions are correct. Doodle sensei is a bit wrong
>>7725395They still look young so his proportions are good
>>7725147trying to do something from imagination now >>>/b/939760418>>7725291I'm bad at observational drawing. It could be just laziness, but people like pawell, permabegschizo, and many other /beg/s prove that there are some of us that will always struggle with observation no matter how hard we try.>>7725338TRVKE
gut punch at goth osaka
>>7727381nandeya...
so asg now just became lsg. i still dont get how drawing stuff like this is legal, very weird.
>>7725870Weekend sketches.https://files.catbox.moe/ximh6d.jpg>>7727432indeed
Are books like these a meme?
>>7727432You know what else is weird? Whining about it instead of posting your non-loli work. You do draw, right?
>>7727543Literally every page is just a copy-paste of loomis lmao
>>7727543No. It's just as good as any other book. Although you're not going to get too much if you're not a fan of houtengeki or you're too beg.>>7727781subhuman dunning kruger.
>>7684653newbie here day 2can someone please explain to me the fundies of copying ?is it: hair => face => neck => ears => eyes => nose => mouth => body => clothesmost tutorials seem to start like this, a lot of them just completely random with no plan.when I tried loomis last year before I quit the fundies were: gesture => oval meat stickman => face => body => muscles => clothes
>>7728221>fundies of copying ?not sure what that means anon?
>>7720671nice jobbetter than the original
>>7728229there's a right way to copy (learning) and a wrong way to copy (mindless copying, not learning anything)when you copy, you're supposed to learn how the structure was sculpted, and how the original artist drew itwhere do you start when copying ? and what follows ?
>>7728247>(mindless copying, not learning anything)if you want to efficiently avoid this, produce original work in the style of the copies.>how the structure was sculpted, and how the original artist drew itdifferent processes can produce the same result so it's not exactly crucial to copying, the result is what matters.>where do you start when copying ?depends on what you want to learn. you can start with eye => eye socket area => cheek => jaw => rest as you see fit, if your goal is to focus on the shapes and linework.you can start with a gesture sketch / hide channel croquis figure thing and add details to it like hair + clothes => face => if you want to study posing / gesture as the focus.
>>7728252thanks lad, I'll keep it in mindI just really don't want to fuck myself and learn improper things that'll take months to fix when I could've just learned the proper way had I known.Loomis made me quit last time because I wasn't having any fun, hopefully it'll be different this time
>>7728260if you just stick to copying high quality anime and internalize the 2d design without using western cope styles or 3d as a crutch you will be fine. basically if you follow what looks good and what looks anime you won't go astray. you can only learn wrong things by western art tubers or /ic/ injecting things that subvert the 2d nature of anime.if you want extra efficiency pick a single skilled artist and focus on making original work in their style.
My shitty lineart a distract me from the actual studies.
>>7728325Forgot the.pic
I get that a brush won't suddenly make you a pro, but I'm a bit tired of using the default gpen on CSP.What kind of brush or settings do you reckon the average mangaka use?
I did a Sylphie
>>7728831cuteeee
>>7728788gpen, an edit of it most of times.
>>7727499If you are going to use a single line for the lower eyelid like that then at least make it lighter. The upper lid should always have considerably more contrast/line weight than the lower.
Changed hairstyle
>>7729391AI?
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>>7729399https://youtu.be/aXqxawvJudk?si=gvK9QTcmKxiSZCmP
There was this image stating the "Levels of proficiency" on drawing, and it used Cirno as an example at the end of the guide.Does anyone know which image I am talking about?
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>>7729942>tfw 1st mastery is the actually most advanced one>tfw 2rd mastery is the departure point after which it's only downhill with no possibility of recoveryWestoids are on a whole another level.
>>7730048>1st mastery is the actually most advanced oneNewfag here, can you elaborate? If you had said 3rd and 4th I think I would sort of understand, but I can't see how the 1st is better than the 2nd at all.
>>7730099Accuraccy is a whole talent on its own. Some people never get it.
>>7730131Accuracy? You mean to the character design? In that case, never mind. I don't know the character that well and was only looking at how it was drawn.
>>7730140I meant being able to put on the canvas what you need to put on the canvas. Like trying to replicate a still life.
What happened to bweh?
>>7730143>I meant being able to put on the canvas what you need to put on the canvas.In that case I have no idea what accuracy has to do with my question or the original comment. There was no reference included, and the drawings were intended to display levels of skill including dynamic posing, so it seemed more like a drawing from imagination.Maybe one of us has misunderstood something, or maybe I don't yet know enough to understand what you mean.
>>77300991st shape balance in the face is more accurate to what you would see in legit anime, but it's an accident due to the angle being a straight on.2nd is already unbalanced and oversimplifying the entire face, cheek/jaw contour + eyes is the clearest example to compare with some anime settei.
>>7730317>cheek/jaw contour + eyes is the clearest example to compare with some anime settei.Thank you, I will do some copying with attention to this.
>>7730415It's quite difficult to get the subtle curves just right.
I want to do the naoki saito thing but I like too many artists and don't know who to emulate first
>>7731724I had the same issue. For me I narrowed it down like this>made a list of artists for which I consistently have a very strong reaction that their work is great>picked exact thing I want to do in art and focus on artists who do that (this is going to filter most choices)>downloaded all of their available work from booru + art books>did full copies for each of the artists and then tried to make things in their style>picked the one I had the easiest time with naturally understanding the way they do thingsIt's probably gonna be an easier choice when you do the copies and get familiar with the artist's entire body of work. At some point if you start getting creative ideas more easily with one style it might be the best pick. idk what it is but visual enjoyment doesn't necessarily mean you will enjoy creating in that style, and the converse is true too. you might think at first that you like something less but actually enjoy making things in the style a lot more.
