In order to succeed at art, doesn't it make more sense to crab others? There's a finite amount of resources/jobs to go around, wouldn't less competition be better?

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>>7766068
Doesn't matter if you're good
The effort you spend crabbing id better spent on improving and producing more

>>7766068
That was my mentality at first. Eventually you realize that you can't catch up with those who are ahead and those who are behind can't catch up to you, with a few exceptions, and assuming you aren't a nodraw retard, so I stopped minding helping others. You also realize that it doesn't matter how much golden advice and help you give others, 99% won't listen or will quit anyway, not worth the effort of crabbing.

Also it feels nice to have some bros on the journey that can inspire you to try harder, it's been pretty barren lately, with everyone giving up or getting crabbed out of the hobby.

I'm currently at that point where I feel like I'm crawling out of total beg and starting to get results that please me, but also entering that loop of "the more I know, the more I realize how little I know", which can be a bit discouraging. This is also coupled with a mixed feeling of me seeing leaps in progress, but my art still being far from where I want it to be, so I'm never fully proud of what I make.
It's not like I'm despairing and about to give up or anything, but it's a frustrating feeling of certain powerlessness, and was wondering if others have felt that way and how they got over it.

>>7766068
While your success is surely someone else failure, someone else failure doesn't imply your success.

You can be the best crab in the world, but if you suck, you suck.

>search for my name on Danbooru out of curiosity
>more than 30 images associated with the tag
>"Wow!"
>only one isn't in the "deleted" section
>they were all uploaded by the same user
>one of them has a comment saying, "stop uploading this Western crap"
I'm glad you like my art, my friend, but even I know my stuff isn't good enough to be there.

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I draw too much. is to the point is embarrassing. I draw like 8 hours daily and the only thing I do with my life is draw and study a bit and sleep 4 hours. I wonder what my followers think with me posting an full blown illustration every 12 hours.

Worst part is probably a lot of people think I use AI, that upsets me just a tiny bit, specially because I can get bored of drawing on a singular style and change on a whim. If I did not draw so much on public boards I think I would be fucked, I have tons of eye witness to the fact that yes, is all me and I'm just a no-life loser who only does a singular thing with his life.

>>7766156
this will be my cover story for when people accuse me of photobashing AI (which I am)

>>7766162
You don't get bored? this sounds so boring. Drawing is fun, cheating on it just ruins the whole experience for me and just makes a frustrating experience and exercise on futility. If you are not enjoying the process and doing all by yourself what is even the point of photobashing the AI pictures? just post the AI pictures.

>>7766166
>Drawing is fun
Nta, but drawing is fun when you are good.

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I can't stop fapping to my own art.

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>>7766170
See? that's the problem. you are looking at it from the wrong perspective. Good compared to whom? The people on social media? the old masters, the slop machine?

Why you are not good enough, anon? And who decided that but yourself. Is one of the reason why I tend to dislike social media even if seeing the numbers go up is fun, at some point it just becomes that, you lose the sight of what is enjoyable in the craft and the point of improving, it becomes about dumb stupid fucking metrics that in the end of the day don't mean anything, specially if a good 1/3 of those are bots. You end up giving up to the this sorta of stupid impure desire and do dumb shit like doing anything you can to outperform anyone, but becomes a miserable cunt in the process, is really even worth it?

Just be better than what you were yesterday, or a week ago, or just try to do new things and improve by itself. You are already good enough, you just need to try to become better and try to have fun while you do it and enjoy the pain, if you are in pain over something like that it only shows how much you care, and that's good, right?

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>>7766179
I never looked too much at the numbers on social media, but I do recognize how slow my improvement is, or how bad I am for many things, like perspective, figure drawing, digital painting... It doesn't get in my head...

>>7766202
Even slow improvement is an improvement. eventually things just click and you will see it was all worth it.

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Spent all day icing my hands and resting them to no relief until I saw a Rippetoe video where he says "Do twenty sets of neutral chinups"...

I drew for 2hrs completely pain free and finished the piece I was moping over not being able to work on.
He's the real fucking deal holy shit, even talked smack about doctors

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>>7766175
It's tough isn't it? I'd like to draw beautiful women without giving in to lust.

>>7766376
>I'd like to draw beautiful women giving in to lust.

>>7766068
You'll fuck up one day and piss someone off enough that they'll fuck you over tenfold.

>>7766068
if you are actually good at what you do, competition should be a non issue

>>7766156
>draws 8 hours daily
>can change styles when ever you feel like
am impress more people need to have that work ethic like you do

>>7766156
I really don't understand how people manage to do this. Don't you feel mentally tired after an hour? I feel like I studied math for hours.

>no-life loser who only does a singular thing with his life
At least you achieved something. I only have a long list of failures and regrets.

>>7766887
Not even close, I go out of my way to multitask while I draw, like listening to audiobooks or lectures. In college I can only pay attention to class if I'm drawing something. I find one of the most enjoyable activities in the world.

I think it helps me achieve flow somehow, maybe you are so preoccupied with getting everything right you can't enjoy the creative process.

>>7766860
Thanks, But I don't get it why changing styles is a high work ethics practice. I just get very inspired by some artists and I try to copy what they do. In a way I'm just greedy.

I think if I focused only on one thing I would be much much better at this singular thing, but I do have a ton of fun experimenting and trying new things.

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There's a black dude DMing me on DeviantArt requesting the same thing over and over again. I just thought it was funny. Feel free to fulfill his wish.

>>7766156
Be careful not to get burnt out.

>>7768204
Can't he afford a GPU?

>>7766677
That will never happen if your a pro crabber.

Too sick to draw (or get anything done) today, life sucks

any tips for getting more traction on social media? I'm on Instagram, and I try to interact with other fellow artists, leave a like and comment, I post regularly, etc. What else can I do besides get some bots or other shit like that?

I heard that if you listen to music while you draw that y

>draw
>man this sucks so bad ill never get better
>sleep
>wake up
>draw again
>its not as hard as i thought
>repeat forever

I've been experimenting with brush pens lately, specifically the pentel brushpens that are in every generic artstore and fude pens

>Ink flow constantly runs out
>redoing the same stroke hoping that it will actually come out
>extremely light touch
>pentel pens needs me to squeeze hard
>fude pen comes out extremely saturated if I squeeze the same amount

I like drawing with them because of how thin and thick you go, however finding the right balance and hoping I'll get the right stroke frustrates me a lot. I'm not the perfect artist- not even adequate- but working against your media can really be annoying. I've returned to digital and now see how timid and short my strokes are compared to when I was working with a micron pigma/ ballpoint pen/ felt tip pens. I thought for sure I'd get a glow up like I did then.

>>7766036
Im /beg/ and have been staying up late drawing 4 to 6 hours a night for the past week
Im taking tonight off to adjust my sleep

>>7769490
Just did 2hrs 40 mins of drawing and correcting my timid lines and learning to trust that I will get consistent flow showed me the much improved control I have over my lines! Also I'm not using pencil this year so what a blessing erasing an unwanted stroke feels like; to no longer have to go with the flow of a mistake and get rid of it all together, sometimes I forget that I am drawing with a handicap. Lately I've been busy with work so the only real drawing I'd get is with the brushpens on top of trying to do inktober (failed immensely) getting mad at my lack of improvement drawing things over and over again... Digital feels like butter even if it's harder to control lines.

Habits just don't work for me. I drew every day for months and when i stop for one day, I forget how to make myself start drawing.

>>7768860
Halloween is coming up. Throwing something in the wind might not be so bad, you might get picked up by the spooky category. Same for Christmas.

>>7769614
adhd

>>7769614
get some meth that will help

>>7769490
try using one of those watercolor pens that you fill with water, except leave it empty and just dip the tip in ink
Makes a VERY sharp point and the brush is practically indestructible
You can also just cap it and use it the next day no harm done

>>7768860
Shill in other places like discord. post links to your art wanner you can in any places you can as much as possible. have multiple platforms were you post in parallel to maximize your reach. Appeal to niches and milk them as much as possible, focus on fan art of current popular series with dedicated fanbases while appealing in parerel to niche fanbses to multilayered support.

Keep a few close friend circles that only exist to boost your followers, like friends that have just a bit more followers than you that can share your stuff but not enough were they have a high chance of ignoring you, my rule is 1.5x followers. Keep a handful of underlings with way less followers than you for similar reason. even if you have 1000 followers if you have 10 simps with 200 followers you are nice time to time and trow a bone it will build up overtime, is about maximizing reach.

Personally I also like to use an information net using base egregorians that I created to keep people under my sphere of influence also, but maybe that's a bit too esoteric and schizo to be useful for the avarage guy. I will keep it simple and say having a strong brand and attaching your personality to it is very very useful, because people you relate you to your work and will see anything you do as part of an individual, that is what actually appeals to people in art.

>>7769657
I take weekly drawing classes and we've talked about supporting each other on social media with my classmates. The problem is, they're all retards who don't know how to work the algorithm. Whenever they post something I'll share it, save it, repost it, like and leave a comment. I have them as favorites so whenever they post I see it straight away. But then I'll post something and maybe a few days later they'll like it. Kinda sucks. I'd love to be able to build a support circle like you mention.

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>>7766036
I dread making art, because I have some kind of ADHD, and a lot of work at university, to boot with everything else. I need to work perfectly on time.
This means I can't have my routine chaotic, but I need enrichment.

So all of this eventually leads to obsession with progress, because "sure if I can't have a varied and rich day, let's at least make this whole routine worthwhile", but it's never worthwhile.

I'm used to big jumps and here I got a fucking slugging match with life and it's driving me a little angry that I could wrestle with anything if it's happening quickly, but go mental if I have to repeat the same motions every single day.

I know it will work, it's just that my soul doesn't trust that, so every day I'm bleeding mental stamina.

Critics and consumers are always the most pretentious and worthless elements of any hobby. Just a bunch of nodraw cretins stroking their beards at the works of people who can actually put in work, and using them as a tool to assert their own intellect and taste.

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I wonder if I am merely too genetically disinclined to artistic pursuit to be successful in it. I see people in another thread say they regularly draw for many hours each day, but it was always a struggle for me to hit 3-4 hours consistently even when I had nothing else going on in life.

Lately I haven't really been able to draw at all, just can't bring myself to. Not that it matters, I've only ever been able to spam studies to no end, the second I try to create, it all falls apart. I suspect I lack the creative gene to truly express myself, or I have ADHD or some other such condition that doesn't give me enough dopamine from drawing to regularly engage in it.

I was worried that my one off MDMA use a month ago might have cooked my brain or something, but I feel fine otherwise and I now realize my brain was cooked all along, I just didn't want to accept it. Years of time spent on this hobby with little to show.

It's all so tiresome.

Can I even catch up or get halfway decent as someone who started at 18 a few years back compared to all the best artists who nearly universally started earlier? There's only so much time left...

I hate posting my art/sketches as it feels so exposing, everytime i draw i spend about an hour going back and forth with myself on whether or not i should post is somewhere and its a coin flip whether or not i do, i know it doesn't really matter yet i cant help it.

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I don't know what's got into me lately, but every drawing I start has felt like a chore. I don't mind the grind but it's the consistent displeasure of not being able to draw anything that is appealing. I'm beginning to feel the weight of all the years I spent trying to learn to draw from imagination with nothing to show for it, and when I don't draw I begin to experience a form of guilt.
>You're drawing but your not happy and you wonder if you're wasting your time and chalk that off to with feeling burn out.
>You take a break and don't draw and begin to feel depressed
What's happening to me.

>>7770725
Even if it took decades to get really good, which it doesn't, you'd still have time easily. Of course if someone is going at full throttle and has started earlier than you, you can't beat them but just the same you can always be better than artists than started after you did. Given you have the talent and means of course. I think the great filter is just that for someone to start drawing after their formative years and draw a ton is very rare. A brutal blackpill is how much you will be left behind if you can't make art into a job right away. Everyone else will be drawing 8 hour days minimum, art as their sole focus. It's also such a mind fuck that if you drew an hour everyday on average from like 14 to 20 you'd be likely nearing pro level if you weren't totally just diddling around. It's not even just time since you learn during the night so it's compounded by just the sheer amouny of sleep cycles. My favorite things to think about when procrastinating to destroy my already weak mental yipee

>>7770725
You've already lost if you're thinking like that.

>>7770725
Artskills plateau after certain point. there is honestly a limit of how good you can get and after certain level it just becomes how well you use the tools you already have in your belt, like stylization and aesthetic. That incredibly subjective.

The reason why people who started early and from childhood take so long to get good is exactly because they started too early and are probably self taught. A child would never understand or have the proper cognitive skills to now what to improve, so they often improve at snailpace. At least it was like that for me.

I would say the avarage joe will take 5 to 7 years to become a true master. +3 years trying to find what he actually want's to do unless you are aiming to something really really ambitious like mastering every single style possible from ultra cartoony and abstract to ultra photorealistic. In all honesty, if all you want to do is just draw naked anime girls standing in the void it would take you something like 3 to 4 years tops. (with the right study and training regime)

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I bought an Android tablet years ago so I can draw digitally while traveling (for work)
I still feel like it's impossible for me to do anything decent on it

idk why. I'm using the same brushes and everything but I use it and think
>I wish I was at home
>using my home tablet at my desk
It's just different

>>7766068
depends on what you mean by success. if it's a studio job working 9-5 (lol good luck finding that) then sure, since there's a finite amount of those around.
otherwise you're better off spending your time researching a market and making a product targetting a specific niche. in different niche hobbies and interests there's often only a handful of artists servicing that group regularly, or you get the dynamic of one bigger name artist and a handful of smaller ones. you don't really gain anything by crabbing other artists in these situations but you definitely can lose a lot.

>>7766068
yes and the best way to crab is praise
praise someone for their mistakes and you might just make them stagnate for years

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>>7771919
I had something similar, I honestly think standalone tablets just kind of fucking suck?

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Caleb Arty uploaded a new video today, now I can draw clothes.

I was browsing some 3D jobs, when for the very first time, a listing for an AI intern popped up.
The job was in Tel Aviv.

>decide to go back to trying to make music
>open up the program I had downloaded
>version is from 2018
Fuck, I feel old. I could be SOMEWHERE if i managed to keep going.

>>7772868
>look at the modified date of some reaper scripts i wrote
>3 years ago
>i probably spent more time customizing it than making music in the short time i tried to get into music
fucking shit

I am reminded why I hate posting to discord servers. Such a vapid activity full of 2 faced actors and conniving admins.

After upgrading from Windows 10 Education to Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC, I had to manually recalibrate my monitor for the first time in years. Now, I'm paranoid because many of my drawings don't look the same.

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>>7772933
>>7772868

i still haven't made a full song...

>>7773654
plus now you have AI spying on you 24/7. Thank God I'm in Europe where they've given us Win10 support for another year. I'm switching to Linux before then

>>7774064
it just so happens my old pc is acting funny the moment support ran out like it keeps freezing. this shit sucks. i’m gonna buy another optiplex but with the best upgrades it can offer and stick with that for a few more years and if the internet gets so unusable in the future then so let it be i’ll just keep my pc offline.

>>7774064
Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC has no AI and is supported until 2032.

>>7773654
Every monitor device is different (even same model) and needs calibration with expensive equipment.
Don't worry about your old drawings being different, as you were never visualizing them correctly in the first place.

>>7774064
Everytime I tried Linux it was driving me insane, but also I don't know how many things I will miss that I have on Windows.

I went to Window 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC a year ago. They don't even sell it, I don't know why Microsoft want to fuck up everything.
Hopefully Windows 12 will be fine, as I want to skip 11 altogether.

>>7774111
>Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC
I'd never heard of this before, thank, I'll keep it in mind

I caught a cricket in a plastic water bottle and have been observing her for a week, feeding her oatmeal/water. Today, I guess due to excessive grooming from stress, she tore her hind legs off and I feel really bad now.

But I tell myself this cricket was a pest who came into my house to eat my food and poop and pee everywhere. And it's not like I'm intentionally torturing her, I want to observe her but I'm not going to spend money on an enclosure for a pest I was gonna squish. What would you do? Should I feel bad?

>>7774210
release it back outside asshole. there is a bird that’s hungry.

>>7774210
people did this all over the world you aren't special. I remember that my grandpa, back when he was younger, used to catch mice from our garage and put them in jars with air holes and some grain for a day or two, to observe what they would do.

Humans are just weird like that, we like to experiment with what we can get away with.

I havent drawn in 3 days and every time I try to start, my brain fogs up and gets stuck. Like I have to draw something worth 4 days of wasted time.

>>7774210
I caught a small moth that burned its leg and wing off on a candle and couldn't do anything but spaz around upside down, I thought it was dead but it started doing that when I tried to grab it, kept in a bottle for a bit so it didn't fall, I was wondering why people thought they were retarded insects, maybe that's what they meant. I also caught a dead bee and did a few studies of it. Also found a dead sparrow, probably a cat killed it, but couldn't find any visible wounds, I think I got to do a couple studies before burying it.
I generally don't give much of a shit about anything but my pets but I've saved a couple insects from drowning or from being accidentally squished, even brown recluse which I hate (especially large ones because they act like niggers every time they're spotted). Now that I remember when I was a kid I'd do torture flies, took their wings Raziel style and released them into the wild. For some reason I thought worms were pretty cool, thinking about it they still are but
>>7774257
>Humans are just weird like that, we like to experiment with what we can get away with.
Some even shove them inside their pee hole.

I wish anons on /v/ are more receptive to posts asking for requests, like the anons on /co/ are. I guess it's because there's a lot more drawfags on /co/, so the culture is more familiar to having them drop by

>>7775029
Nope, it's because few years back in /v/ drawthreads it was revealed one guy spams 90% of requests there and other boards' drawthreads. It's about control, power and having other people draw for you for free. /v/ drawfags opted to use the weekly drawfag threads with no requesting because artists don't tend to like to enable people like request spammers with their art. I recommend dropping drawing requests altogether. If you absolutely need to draw requests, simply asks requests from other drawfags. You don't need the validation and sense of community from drawing 4chan drawthreads' requests.

>>7775029
all the requests are coomer and fetish shit these days

>>7775040
No I meant like on random threads. The drawthread thing definitely plays a part, but on /co/ you could drop "post your requests" on a random thread and you'll get tens of replies.
>>7775071
That's what I'm looking for, I like it because the references and ideas are coming to me instead of me having to look for them

>>7775142
You are overestimating people's will to reply to you. Majority of anons lurk and simply read/skim the threads. It's a hurdle to click the post number and type a reply. It's so much easier to simply consume insteaf of contributing. When you realize it, you start to understand just how few people there are posting.

>That's what I'm looking for, I like it because the references and ideas are coming to me instead of me having to look for them

Eh. You are asking others to provide you ideas. And you are doing that on site where people are not expected to go solely to offer ideas for others to draw. Maybe you looking for interaction, maybe you are actually looking for ideas, maybe you need validation, maybe it's something else. But what I gather, you are looking from the wrong place whatever it is you are looking for. If I had to guess, you have some sort of tie to 4chan, maybe 4chan has offered you dopamine and entertainment in the past and now you want to combine 4chan with drawing. It's what lot of 4chan drawfags go through. Unfortunately reality seldom goes the way you want. You can keep bashing your head to wall or you can start learning and adapting new ways to think and operate.

If you want to keep bitching about 4chan or particular board not acting to your liking, feel free to do so. But personally I doubt anything going's to change. It's an old cliche: Be the change you want to see. Maybe you can't change 4chan or /v/. But you can change how you operate.

>>7775157
>You are overestimating people's will to reply to you
Maybe this is true on /v/, but from what I've experienced people on /co/ would more enthusiastically jump on the chance to request stuff whenever there's a post asking for them. I get if there's a lot more lurkers than posters, but the people that do post seem more receptive on /co/ because they have a more open culture for creativity and lurking drawfags.

>And you are doing that on site where people are not expected to go solely to offer ideas for others to draw
I'm actually not familiar, are there any sites that's solely dedicated to giving and receiving ideas for others to draw? I suppose there's artfight but that's more for OCs. I could use Twitter to ask for requests, but that's really also a site that's not solely there to offer ideas for others to draw. It's true that I do feel a sense of giving back to 4chan though, but that's neither here nor there.

>You can keep bashing your head to wall or you can start learning and adapting new ways to think and operate.
>If you want to keep bitching about 4chan or particular board not acting to your liking, feel free to do so
I do need to engage more media and watch movies and read books etc. to get more ideas in my head, but I could bitch a lot more about looking up references on Pinterest than I am lamenting /v/'s lack of enthusiastic requesters. I swear the algorithm shit there sucks so bad, I get that it's trying to remind me of past images I've had interest on in the past but it just means I'm seeing the same pictures over and over again. I wish it had a more randomized feed so looking up the same terms gives you new stuff more. I just thought it was an interesting observation how people are more receptive to calls for requests on different boards, just like how people on /vg/ would probably react more openly to requests than /v/. I'm not saying /v/ sucks because of that, I'm saying /v/ has a different culture to other boards.

>>7775181
>I do need to engage more media and watch movies and read books etc. to get more ideas in my head
Do it. I encourage that.

>looking up references on Pinterest
Yeah, stop that. Instead browse art and artists you like and who draw subjects you interested in. It also helps if you check 3D posers who produce same sort of stuff you draw. One of my creator friend is a 3D poser of shared genre and I can simply ask them to whip up reference poses for me to draw from different angles.

Go where the other artists of your genre go and mingle and chat.

>>7775184
>Instead browse art and artists you like and who draw subjects you interested in
I already do that a lot though, but subject matter aren't the same as finding poses and references for them. Or if it is, then I'll be looking at the original artist's work to reference and that can easily lead to copying.
I should find 3D posers, sounds like a reliable source

>>7775184
pinterest i use every once in a while, but i kinda noticed that i was spending more time scrolling for the perfect ref than drawing

>>7775212
Id recommend finding images you like and putting them into a program like pure ref instead of using pinterest. organizes your refs while removing that scrolling factor

>>7775214
I already use Pureref, but I gotta get the refs from somewhere and that somewhere is Pinterest

>>7775029
/v/ has been flooded with shitposters, semi-unironically bots and the mentally ill beyond all levels, the notion of fun requests, scribbles and OC have been basically wrung empty on the board and said shitposters will not comply to your request because it might starve them of (You)'s from their latest sperg session.

I unironically suggest running into random /vg/, (or /vm/ / /vst/ / /vrpg/ if you're in it for the long run) generals that you have a slight interest in the theme of and asking for draw requests, you'll be spammed with them beyond limits.

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I'm to the point where I've been drawing for a few years learning things here and there, making my own original pieces, decent ability to copy and replicate other art. all of the sudden it feels like anything I try to make on my own is dogshit. It takes so much more effort to brute force trying to create original work over reproducing. ideas have stopped coming to me no matter how many days I try so I'm just kind of spinning my wheels aimlessly re-practicing various things, but it doesn't go anywhere because I'm not putting my full effort into it because I've done it already somewhere along the line. I know you never stop with the basics but it's like I can't get over myself and regain that humility. changing mediums didn't really work and I'm just going through the motions if I try to study. It's like I yearn to create but my abilities aren't where I want them to be, and I don't even know what I want to create anymore. The last finished thing I really applied myself towards was 3 months ago, since then I draw most days but most of them don't go well. I'm afraid of taking a break because I might as well have been this whole time, and it will just push everything off longer. the only thing that doesn't feel painful is copying, but that's because it's not really my work that I'm having to face

>>7775029
I usually do draw requests as warm ups but i won't actually put any effort in it
How it comes out first try is what i'll post

/v/ and other request heavy drawthreads on other boards? i completely avoid.
Ultimately, i am not drawing to farm numbers for social media but merely for shits and giggles

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I think I'm not going to bother posting art next year. I want to focus on studying entirely whenever I can because I hate my art so, so god damn much. Being stuck in mediocrity and not being able to do more ambitious and lively pieces because of my amateur technical skills makes me so mad I could pop a blood vessel.

>>7776184
I understand, but be careful to not get stuck in the fundamental/tutorial hell forever.

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>>7776184
I think it's healthy to post even stupid, few-line doodles.
People like engagement over quality, ideas over skill. It could be freeing to you to stop holding yourself up to a standard all the time and from time to time, post a silly doodle.

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Another DM ignored. I ask for advice and it feels like every artist turns their nose up at me. Do I just not have enough followers and likes to be respected? It's not like my art is bad. Sometimes I just want to disappear because no one wants to talk

>>7776257
You're either ignored or given cookie cutter takes that aren't really useful for most people. Thats why you never ask for advice anon, sorry

>>7776257

Yes, because you don’t have shit. If you had followers, status, and notoriety in the game every knee shall bow in the server when you speak. Every keystroke, enter, and ping that alerts all members immediately shifts the whole vibe because you’re present only because you have something that can help them. If they have nothing to gain from you, you will be ignored. And anyone helping you without being paid either is an extremely lonely individual, a neet with nothing to do, or in my experience, is a ticking time bomb sheep in wolf’s clothing who wants to be perceived as the most helpful in the server only to poach right under the admins nose once promoted to build their own brand.

>>7776257
Who are you DMing?
If they’re higher status than you then you can’t just expect them to give advice for free, unless you’ve already spent time building up a rapport with them.

>>7776330
not that anon but there's this guy who was my teacher for months, and now he's getting some recognition on insta and out in the real world. I follow him and support him, repost his stuff and write funny, supportive messages from time to time. He doesn't even bother following me. Again, he was my teacher for months, in person. Fucking asshole

>>7776410
I had a manager who he would trauma dump on me about his life during 1 on 1 meetings and every time he would casually ask me what games I play and what not. So I send him a friend request on Steam and he leaves me hanging to accept the friend request knowing it’s me that sent it then on his very last day before leaving the company that same very night he cancels the friend request and blocks me. Some people are just downright genuinely 2 faced.

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It fucking happened, the file I was drawing from was somehow either corrupted or the save didn't go through before I shut down the PC. I double checked it on the external drive and saw it saved but when I went back to the file it was fucking gone. What the fuck, luckily I saved a copy locally by pure habit but I have to do the clean up again - always make copies bros.
I'm still seething.

>>7776462
Stay calm and realize in the grand scheme of things, this doesn't matter.

I was trying to backup a new file, but instead overwrote the new with the old instead. 4 hours of drawing gone. I was on the floor in despair, so fucking stupid of me. But all this is just a tiny blip in our art journey. That was my cope and it helped.

>>7774210
i feel pity and disgust towards them. Torture is subhuman behavior so either dont bother them or kill them quickly

wow mithrilda is alive and just uploaded a youtube short
still drawing still beg

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cool signatures?
https://www.zengyotaku.com/artist_seals.html
i want to make one for my crappy art, looks like something fun to get sidetracked into, ya got any signatures on your artwork? need some inspiration...

>>7776462
>>7776510
Something similar happened to me yesterday.
>finish a comic page for a client
>blend all layers and resize it
>save it as a preview
>proceed to close Photoshop
>"Do you want to save the changes you have made?"
>"Yeah, sure. Whatever..."
>Photoshop saves the changes and closes
>"Wait... What?"
Fortunately, I still have the Krita file at its original resolution. However, I'll have to recreate all the speech bubbles and rewrite the dialogue.

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>>7777189
She needs to grind more boxes

>>7778550
this thing... it scares me.
Did he ever leave low/int/?

>>7778314
it's called Ex Libris you megafaggot, go research it with that name and you'll find plenty

>>7776257
DM me friendo!

>>7776257
trying to teach other artists is very hard and not for everyone, especially in this benighted age where everyone is demoralized and has no incentive to pursue the hobby. i've tried to do it at the request of others multiple times and it never amounted to anything, i've had people full blown cry to me on voice chat over the gentlest critique ever, people randomly saying stuff like "could you retweet my last drawing" in the middle of studying, people trying to use me as a therapist/internet girlfriend, etc. too much for me to handle

at the end of the day if you were meant to be an artist nothing can deter you and you'll be one against all odds, with or without help

>>7776510
When I copy for a backup, it gets renamed. The old ones are not deleted until I finish.

>>7776462
>>7778518
On Photoshop there is an obnoxious mechanic too.
Everytime you close the program, I think it rewrites on the disk the entire brushes file.
This means that if you shut down the PC as soon as you close the Photoshop, you might lose all the brushes.
It happened to me twice, but backups saved me.

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Really good artists that are good looking kinda feels like bullshit
like, fuck you. pick one you fucking asshole.

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>>7778550
Bros... he was supposed to save art...

Logically, I know it's better and more straightforward to try and garner an audience bases on my own fetishes and grow it over time, but there's a part of me that wants to throw all caution to the wind and tell the shitty little story inside my heart by making the comic I can as best I can in the narrowing window of time I have to not be plagued by financial worry. But that's such a naive perspective.

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be honest. how many of you fucks have adhd?
How did you beat it? Assuming I'm bad at bluffing and can't get my meth, how do I fucking draw

>>7780345
me
How is this fair? How did people deal with this shit without meds? No way caveman didn't have ADHD, they must have had it. Is it fake? am I just coping? I need answers.

>>7780354
I think our ancestors scammed long enough to pump out a kid before being executed for being useless to the tribe. We're just unlucky to be born in a time when can't grift on childhood talent

>>7766068
>doesn't it make more sense to crab others? There's a finite amount of resources/jobs to go around, wouldn't less competition be better?
you are assuming the person you are crabbing would even make it to be direct competition for the job you want, the reality is that someone who spends time crabbing and someone who gets crabbed are both people who simply arent drawing enough to actually make it

>>7766299
>Rippetoe
>the real deal
he's got a loud personality and he repackages super ultra basic info for beginners who dont know better, but otherwise is a complete fraud for anything that matters, shit powerlifting totals, no pros coached under him, forums and community of eternal DYELs follow him and the only credentials he can take pride on is that he "collaborated" with actually successful coaches (which almost all of them ended up burning bridges with him later due to his arrogance)

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>>7780345
>adhd
How do you really know if you have it? I've always thought most people, with the exception of a select few, are generally geared towards laziness but know they can't survive on doing nothing and push through the work. Even the way google describes it makes it seem extremely generic. I literally have all these traits and I'd think most people do too but just know to work through it.

>Difficulty focusing, struggling to sustain attention on tasks, especially those that are monotonous or uninteresting.
>Having trouble with time management, planning, and keeping things in order.
>Making errors due to a lack of attention to detail in work or daily tasks.
>Frequently forgetting appointments, deadlines, or details of daily routines.
>Often misplacing personal items like keys, phones, or wallets.
>Feeling fidgety or having the need to get up and move, even if internal.
>Difficulty waiting for one's turn or interrupting others frequently.
>Reacting strongly to frustration or disappointment.
>Having a mind that wanders or gets overwhelmed with thoughts.
>Making decisions without thinking through the consequences.

>>7780458
from every description and anecdote I've found, it seems to be that the procrastination comes with immense guilt, you literally can't get started and it's troubling and causes distress, the actual term is executive dysfunction which I think is a symptom of ADHD where you simply can't focus and it's not even your fault, it's literally a chemical imbalance
I just want legal meth. Is it hard to get? I know you need a psychiatrist prescription but I heard you're not supposed to outright ask for it. Why do I need to pussyfoot around it? Just give me the fucking drugs, I hate living like this.

>>7780458
>>7780594
the kind of laziness that's detestable is the careless laziness. The "eh I should do it but why bother" laziness.
I think adhd laziness is much more like >>7780594's description. It's full on executive dysfunction wherein you KNOW you need to work but you simply cannot bring yourself to start or stay focused.
Honestly I think I warrant a diagnosis just on the number of tabs I have open. I think I'm north of 100 on just the two windows I don't have cached

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>>7780615
forgot my rare alan

Give me one reason not to give up and kms

>>7780644
Because you won't be able to wake up and see yourself become the person you want to be

im seeing things, doing my daily sketch with my mechanical pencil, and you know how sometimes mustache hair fall off? well a small hair fell into the nose on the character i was working on, and i was trying to blow it off, but shit was moving like it was stuck on the paper, but it was moving! so i try to wipe it off with my hand, and the mark is just stuck all of a sudden, crazy i swear to god it moved, the little mark moved clock wise. ahhhhh!

I don't care for the other boards in terms of AI slop spam but I don't understand why can't mods simply keep that garbage away from /ic/. Whenever the topic shows up is for ragebait or it's some autist that will vomit all he knows about AI while pretending he's just a neutral party and not someone farming for (You)s.
What's to critique when they don't care about drawing or painting at all?

>draw for an hour
>end up with a blank page
>cant get past 5 minutes without clearing everything because its dogshit
this is hell. I have nothing to practice because I already know how to draw, I just cant access anything in my brain.

>>7780815
Lately I just lock the layer and make it invisible, then fill another page and so forth, I have lots of layers with drawings that aren't good but at least it feels like I didn't completely waste my time, I also pick a different brush for each and make sure to name it on the page so I remember, same for mixer brush settings. I do share the feeling of having no subject matter to really paint though, the only times I do something it requires me to do lots of hoops just to get a semblance of image on my head, writing a small story is one of those steps.

>>7780808
the jannies here are retards the worst board mods ive ever seen

>>7780818
it is impossible to draw with different brushes,it takes me hours of warm up to get used to one brush and then I lose all that experience the next day.

>>7780615
how do I know which kind of lazy i am

>>7780954
the fact that you care and are bothered implies dysfunction. The other kind don't care, they wouldn't be bothered.
you might also be depressed and not just adhd though. who knows

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>>7780615
Wew, I have another 1000 on my phone

my gf dumped me

talent is a function of how much effort you need to improve. /beg/s need so much effort to draw shitty things while good artists just mindlessly doodle and it looks great.

>>7781171
isn't it the other way around? 1hr a day of constant training for a BEG will yield immense results whereas 1hr isn't even enough to maintain elite technique?

>>7781171
thats too vague
its actually: making less mistakes, recalling information and being able to apply and innovate concepts

>>7781193
/beg/s don't have the requisite cognitive resolution to tell what is pro

>>7781193
Not really, no. Begs take forever to learn because they have no idea how anything works, learn things wrong, learn the wrong things, are lazy and eat hot chip. A pro can learn an entirely new art style in a weekend, with diminishing results. The difference between having utter dogshit form and mediocre form is a lot larger than perfect form and perfecter form.

>>7780660
That was never going to happen.

no wonder people kill themselves, it make smore sense the older i get
realize tht if every day passes and you are wstill not where you want to be, that there is a lot of opportunity cost you are exchanging and opportunity cost comes in many forms: experiences, money, relatinoships, potential

>>7781321
If your goal is a place not a path, you will always fail.

>>7781325
if you want to get pedantic then a goal is a destination that lies along a long path. if your idea of a goal is just a path then youll be wandering aimlessly forever

>>7781327
>wandering aimlessly forever
You can wander without being aimless. Your goal should be to be better, not to be the best.

>>7781333
if you're wandering without being aimless then you have a destination in mind. goals reprsent milestones and are important life markers that represent a growth in oneself, they're important like a first birthday, puberty, adulthood, marriage

>Your goal should be to be better, not to be the best
never said the goal was to be the best?

>>7781335
Whether you want to be the best, or #2, or #3 doesn't matter.
>still not where you want to be
>where you want to be
This is a place, that is a concrete destination. You will never reach this no matter how hard you try.

But you can be a better person than you were yesterday, and the day before.

>>7781340
>This is a place, that is a concrete destination. You will never reach this no matter how hard you try.
this is a ridiculous thing to say. if your goal is to get is to get married and you get married then you've reached it. you are just being a pseud

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>>7781321
What's the solution? Continuing to aim for something while also finding joy and meaning in the journey?

>>7781347
I'm beginning to see why you're suicidal.

>>7781352
the solution is to keep going, i am just making observations here but anyone will reach this existential crisis if their life doesn't pan out in the way they expect. take a colleg graduate, a lot of them end up working in menial jobs outside what they went to school for, at some point you get impatient but its not like you have a choice so you just end up depressed
i think this existential crisis will be felt even harder in the coming years. for example compsci grads are fucked

oh addendum:, the alternate solution is to pivot but starting all over probably feels like absolute shit but sometimes its the right call to make

>>7781352
The whole point is not to treat your path as a carrot and stick situation, as in you feeling that you're being manipulated or punished. You're consciously aiming somewhere knowing that the destination may change but you're okay with it, you're always in charge of where (not) to go next.
>>7781321
>opportunity cost
Yeah, that's life, you either pick something and that leads into a fulfilling/disappointing path, or you pick nothing and that leads into a different path too, such as questioning paths and goals and asking people why you shouldn't off yourself, I'm sure being stagnant is doing wonders for a lot of people.
In reality you can be "aimless" and enjoy life as well, but that requires you not to be extremely cynical about every possible choice/outcome, put your thoughts into practice, don't simply theorize about it.

>>7780956
>the fact that you care and are bothered implies dysfunction. The other kind don't care, they wouldn't be bothered.
This is the best short and sweet description to put it as.

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Every trash drawing you make drags mediocrity out of your body into the page, like pus out of a wound.
Aren't we all sick of mediocrity? Don't stop until you're cured.

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where the hell is howie

I do sculptural and 20 hours into a piece i already had to redo it just got stolen. Im only making like 90 bucks on this to begin with.

>>7781797
If you're making $4/hr, you're really not getting paid regardless

>>7781800
And if I dont work at all I make nothing.

>>7781800
Nevermind im only making this much because the customer rejected the first one. Which is in his right to do but it cuts the pay alot. I would've atleast got minimum wage if the first one worked out.

>lying in bed imagining myself drawing until I have a good idea
>finally get one after a few days
>spend several painful hours fighting the tablet to get the lines I want
>the drawing flops
>people apparently do this for a living

>>7782399
Do you have 10k+ followers? Could your drawing be summed up in 1-3 trending hashtags, but not so big as to drown in a sea of similarly themed posts?
If no to both, it's not the drawing's fault.

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>Most advice I read when it comes to making comics/games/anything more substantial is "just do it"
>Okay, got it
>Draw it down then..
>Uhhhh
>Brain completely fizzles out and I have no idea what to do for the story
>Give up and don't do anything ever for the rest of my life
How the hell people do this is beyond me man. Maybe I'm just doomed to be another mediocre artist who draws boring illustrations and never improve.

>>7782580
The solution can't be easily summarized, most advice will assume you want to tell a story and hand you the tools on how translate it onto paper. If you are having issues with coming up with them, then you draw from a different well, and make it your focus to notice in what form appears in front of you, it's obvious you can draw inspiration from your favorite media or subjects, a particular book or something related to life experiences, but these ideas don't show up easily, even coming up with a mental image of that is rough, but spending time with these thoughts would do you much better than mindlessly hitting your head against the wall on a blank canvas, if you have no idea of what you like or what you want to draw you should cultivate some interest on those pictures instead.
A decent compromise for me has been writing stories, they're pretty short, maybe similar to a one-shot length or even smaller, the idea is that you can imagine a world, or have enough interest to investigate from reference to materialize it in your head, then when images or scenes keep flashing in your head, at least know you have something to work with. I've also seen interviews where artists admit that the story started from a very specific scene they wanted to depict, then they could visualize the world and the story bit by bit.

I’m not racist but do they let coloreds drink from this water cooler?

I want to learn how to model and animate in Blender. I've started watching the donut tutorial several times while downloading models to practice with, but something always ends up taking up all my time. By the time I finally have some free time, I decide to start over from the beginning, and the cycle repeats itself.

>>7782629
You have to gesture battle the nearest non-colored (and win) to drink

>want to draw something
>can't find a reference
>if I do see a reference, then the idea wasn't original
>therefore I dont want to draw it anymore

Coming back to drawing after a decade-only break is tough. My style looks out of date...

>>7783196
what's your style? reiq, sakimichan, or photobashed concept art?

>>7781743
he lives inside our hearts

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I’ve started reaching a point where I can actually visualize things and build them on paper. My imagination isn’t foggy anymore, I can interact with my thoughts in a clearer, more vivid way. It honestly feels like my brain just got an upgrade or something, like I’m seeing a whole new world. It’s really cool.

Really want a drafting table but I don't have the space for it...

>>7781347
NTA but
if you spend your life chasing a thing, once you get it all the suffering caused by not having it will be transmuted into suffering over fearing the loss of it.

i.e. your deep pain over not having a specific job title just becomes pain over the prospect of losing said job title, this applies to anything. if your sole purpose in life was to get married and you get married, guess what, you will lose sleep over the very real possibility of separation

my goal was always to do art full time, i achieved it and i am still very much just as miserable as i was before, because now instead of suffering over not having that, i suffer over the very real possibility of losing it due to AI, physical illness or some other factor beyond my control.

even more insidious is the fact that such fears tend to become self-fulfilling prophecies. the fear of losing your partner makes you act in a way that increases the likelihood of losing them. my fear of losing my art career makes me act in ways that make me more likely to lose it. this is what anons caution against when they say kumbaya shit about "bro the path is the goal bro just be happy now bro". because if your goal is anything but the path you end up miserable and always wanting

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Haven't enjoyed making art in a very long time, each illustration has been a disappointment but lately something else has developed where you get very upset seeing other drawings since it's a constant reminder of your short comings. You can't view other illustrations anymore without feeling failure, I'm beginning to regret picking up drawing even as a hobby since it's done nothing but embitter you. When I first started to learn how to draw I didn't believe other people when they posted about experiencing these bouts of frustration to the point of depression since it's supposed to be fun pursuing art but now I'm beginning to understand.

What used to be source of inspiration has turned into spite and envy, I don't know you as a person but I already hate you. After reflecting from rereading this post I realize this jealousy has been the main drive that's kept me going all these years, my dream came true and I've become an artist just like you.

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>>7784040
>When I first started to learn how to draw I didn't believe other people when they posted about experiencing these bouts of frustration to the point of depression since it's supposed to be fun pursuing art but now I'm beginning to understand.
I had that for a while until I concentrated my hate boner on a select few artists. Not the actually inspiring goated artists, but rather middling Twitter e-celebs who, while undoubtedly more technically gifted than I am, fucking waste all their skill on the same unambitious, boring shit month after month and get rewarded for it. I always keep a tab open with this or that guy's latest cringe OC shit or uninspired Pokemon rendition posted with a self-deprecating comment getting thousands of upvotes. Looking at it when I don't feel like drawing is like a whiplash, and I inevitably end up picking up the pen and enjoying it.
Don't hate your art. Hate that you haven't caught up with them yet, and use their work as a reminder.

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Just like the old days.

>>7784162
the generals should be the only thing visible on anyone's catalog anyway

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>>7784162
those are rookie numbers

Getting better at art has made me realize making 1k a month off comms isn't very difficult. Not super easy but achievable for sure. No need to draw porn or fetish stuff either. Making 5k a month though...

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someone please tell me why this unfinished shitty traditional animation i made has infinite more soul than the digital one i made before

am i just bad at digital art? i have other examples, i feel as though i cant get that feeling of pencil and paper on digital. am i just retarded?

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>>7784538

>>7784539
just work on youer shit dude

>>7784040
Learning art made me appreciate some pieces more, and some other less.

But now attempting at execution is just a constant reminder of your insurmountable shortcomings.

Looking at other really good artists makes me wonder why I am doing this in the first place...

>>7784538
humans just respond more favorably to analog things like trad art. not to knock digital work (which i do primarily lol) but a lot of digi work can have that "cold" feeling. there is no randomness even with the most textured of brushes

I’ve been diagnosed with stage 3 aphantasia what is the best way to learn to draw for someone with a disability like mine?

>>7784650
Same here. You don't miss out a lot.
You just use your paper as your visualization.
Newer try to paint like kim yung gi. I dont think you could ever make it work with aphantasia.
You need something on a page to work with. Use techniques, tools and medium that allow you to edit as often as you can. In both ways, you must be able to add and to take away oll the time.
Try out 3d or irl sculpting. You will understand, that you dont need to see the form in your mind, you can just feel it. If you get it, you can work in a similar waj in 2d.

Thats basically it. Swallow your pride and work with guidlines and constructions. Those are literally crutches for the lack of visualuisation. And as a disabled person, there is no shame in using crutches.

>>7784650
just do thumbnails, spend more time on sketches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8aws1yDM-0&t=5443s

I haven't had a "good day" with drawing for a month now, but on the other hand I manage to consistently do 20 2-minute gestures/figures daily. I'm starting to think that routine is sucking up all the motivation.

>>7784650
Kill yourself

finally after all these years I developed my own process of making pictures that works for me

Drawing for an hour is a big ask, but sitting around wondering what to do and 30 minutes fly by like its nothing.

Some of you guys are alright. Don’t get water tomorrow.

>>7784650
>I’ve been diagnosed
by who? discordmods? chatgpt?

i’m coming clean bros. writing about touching my favorite celebrity’s greasy hair isn’t enough anymore, i need to create an entire dating sim about it
i also filled the water cooler with toilet water

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my ex turned out to be a bisexual and is currently seeing another woman

>>7785488
dick game was so trash she turned into a lesbian

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Why do I enjoy drawing and draw better when I'm procrastinating

I can't finish pieces for shit but I fucking love doodling and studying. I feel like pushing a drawing to polish/completion is only done if I need to show it to people or have a statement to make and I have no urgent need to do either

>>7785740
Pushing to finish things is what will make you improve most. You should aim for that rather than purely studying.

>>7785740
the real way to improve is to finish things, endless doodles and studying is just procrastination

I've decided, I'm better than everyone

>>7786212
You finna post it (work)?

>>7786219
No

>>7785585
you're in the mental state of less stress (more looseness)

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>>7766036
>>7766068
>In order to succeed at art,

*puts spongebob outfit and niceguy attitude on"

>There is a finite amount of resources/jobs/WORK to go around, would not less competition be better?

Does it not make more sense to poison the well? Do I not drink from the well? Do unto others, as thee would do to yourself, until survival is at stake.
The rest is in god's, (you)r's, and I suppose the devils hands. May God have mercy on your soul.

Depends on what age you live in. I live in a the world wide web world. Post 90s MOST people who make da $$ tend to be chill on the legal side namean? If you are questioning whether it is ethical to essentially do what >>7771934 CHAOTIC EVIL is here to do.
We're not here to help, we're not to downright hurt, art is about investment. If you see a person who is heavily invested in art, but crap at art, you find the good parts of their art. "I really like that shade of blue you used in that vein of that furry lobster dick."
If you see a person who is not heavily invested, and crap at art, you give them a magic the gathering card or some crap advertisement and ask them to draw it upside down. If they can't draw at all, nor care to learn, they'll say something about "not even able to draw a a stick figure" make a little doodle and move on with their life.
if you see a fellow person who is heavily invested and good at art, you study their work. Filename, Thats just a memo to myself. If you crab, you're just a crab dude. Nobody cares. Just make art.

>>7783822
fearing the loss of it is infinitely more preferable than chasing it and never getting it because if you lose it, you can gain it again, because you've gained it once before
unelss you totally give up but a person that gives up after losing it once isn't the type of person that would spend all that time chasing it to begin with

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>commission fatigue, 19th century

>>7786509
im just sharing my own experience because of the anon itt crying about being suicidal over not being there yet

10 years ago it was 'what if i dont have talent, what if i never get hired, what if i never get commissioned'
now its 'what if AI replaces me, what if this months project earns my employer less money than the last one, what if my comms dry up, oh my artstyle is on civitai now haha'

if you think having made it would give you some unshakeable sense of confidence and joy you are sorely mistaken. everyone you know will be 5 life milestones ahead of you for a fraction of the effort, while you claw away at this niche career path. lmfao, are you going to take pride in how much money you can make for your boss who probably is counting the days till he can replace you, or how you earn half a retail cashiers salary doing commissions for 14 hours a day. before taxes, of course, because you'll be paying anywhere 20-50% of what you earn to the government if you're freelancing. And then you'll stay up at night counting the days until you get banned by paypal/stripe because their AI system permanently suspended your account and the employees dont get paid enough to risk not going with what the algorithm says, and you suddenly can never receive another online payment for the rest of your life because payment processors are never lifted because PR matters more to them than you starving?

sorry i realize how unhinged i am and i understand what you mean by "you can get it back" but its not that easy in practice and its only getting harder as the financial incentives for art get less and less. and these are real obstacles you will have to grapple with. and im well aware that if you're meant to be an artist none of it will dissuade you. all im saying is that you should learn to enjoy the scritchy scratch of the pencil and at least some contentment the drawings you can make right now because little else is ever going to matter as much

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I think i have figured it out why i loathe social media.
You are mostly posting in a sea of shit and piss in the hopes you'll go "viral" and something good might happen, when in fact you're trying to pinpoint 1% of a user base that might maybe potentially give you money, because otherwise you're just feeding content to kids who will re-upload your shit, other shitty artists who will steal your work, pajeets and thirdies who will steal your work and doomscrollers who are too fucking dopamine fried to even be aware of what they're doing.
Meanwhile you're required to "stand out" either by being an obnoxious faggot and spamming 24/7 or being already on a master's level that you cannot be ignored, which is most of the time never a good thing.
It genuinely just feels like a humiliation ritual just to win more humiliation so that maybe you can get professionally humiliated by some shitty company or commissioners who will definitely ask you to draw the shittiest porn trash you will ever see in your life.

Anyone even trying to justify posting on social media deserves to be shot and humiliated in front of a live audience.

>>7786687
no, you hate it because you don't get the attention and praise you think you deserve
git gud or keep copeposting

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>>7786687
if you acquire a small following for something you genuinely like then "pander" to them you will be alright, more people will come and it'll feel more organic than going for "HAHA MAKIMA DRINK GRIMACE SHAKE LOLL 67" (i dont keep up with fotm and zoomer culture but u get the point)'. if your mindset is "how can i make the 100 people who like my work happy" you'll just feel better and actually have some semblance of a community around your work. and well, having 300 000 followers is meaningless when its just bots and FOTM enjoyers, any amount of people who share your passion for <thing> is preferable to a faceless inorganic mass of people who just want to see FOTM wearing a funny outfit

really anon if you follow your desire and joy you will achieve more than your cynical incel inner critic tells you. if something inspired you enough to draw it, its very likely that someone out there is as interested

>>7786713
If i do something i enjoy, i don't need to share it with bots and retards.
We've been fed a meme about passion needing to be validated by others to even be acknowledged by the own and art needing to find "their own".
Most of the active users in any given niche are not even worth interacting with since they probably drink their own piss or some shit.

>>7786672
>commissions
i see your problem

>all im saying is that you should learn to enjoy the scritchy scratch of the pencil and at least some contentment the drawings you can make right now because little else is ever going to matter as much
implying that was not already happening

>>7786753
the cope is real

What are some alternatives to adderal if you dont want to go to a doctor?

>>7786865
just go get some coffee from the break room broski

>>7786865
fear

>>7786869
I conquered fear
>>7786868
coffee just makes me goon for hours on high energy. I need a way to direct it to drawing.

>>7786871
you're trying to find a cheat code to drawing
it doesn't exist

painting is really fucking cool when I'm not spending the whole time beating myself up mentally

I wish I was good at drawing
speaking for everyone here

when I wake up I just know if I'm going be drawing that day or just sitting doing nothing

>>7787172
i wish adhd didnt exist

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I just can't understand hwo people draw at fuckhuge canvas sizes. I need to be able to see the entire drawing at once, so on a huge canvas the lines are razor thin at that scale and you can't control your pressure. Yet somehow people are able to zoom all the way in and slowly draw precise lines that make zero sense when you're that close. Are they even thinking about form?

Imagine if you drew on paper but you had to use a magnifying glass the whole time, that's absurd. Their screens look like this.

>>7787476
There is a middle ground between 1x zoom and 100x zoom

>>7780594
>that the procrastination comes with immense guilt
other anon here, but I constantly beat myself for not doing stuff I wanted to do, but aren't "fun" like listening to music or browsing 4chins

>>7787476
Maybe they're zoomers

grind,grind,grind til' my will goes downhill

>half of my reference searches are just AI generated/enhanced slop now
this is downright diabolical compared to niggas generating shit for private consumption. it's directly fucking with your learning

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>ask a question
>"pyw"
>decide not to because i feel as if the question is less specific to a piece of work and more of a general thing
>autist gets mad and instantly replies throwing a hissy fit that i refused to post work, calling me a no draw ETC and insists that my question was just a fake senario I made up to get people mad (???)
ff 3 months later
>ask question
>"pyw"
>actually post the work this time, ensure its relevant to the question asked (even if i thought the question could be answered without it)
>no replies after a day
i feel like you guys only post to start arguments

>>7787759
Your drawing is louder than words, if you posted your work and received no feedback that means they are incapable.

>>7787759
theres no reason to ever post work, not even for c ritique because this place is garbage. if you are serious about iomproving youd seek more serious communities

>>7787776
My ninja in training, there are no serious communities out there. All discords, every single one, are reaction emoji farms and networking. Because the guy you roast one day could be a manager the next or your key into some job. So everyone is fake. And then there are people who do give you crit there and they’re suffering from improving themselves. But you gotta play nice because it’s under your brand.

This place is good as long as you post your work.

>>7787822
>My ninja in training, there are no serious communities out there. All discords, every single one, are reaction emoji farms and networking. Because the guy you roast one day could be a manager the next or your key into some job. So everyone is fake. And then there are people who do give you crit there and they’re suffering from improving themselves. But you gotta play nice because it’s under your brand.
bullshit, this is straight up parroted nonsense. in an environment of likeminded aspiring artists no one is going to give you shit for critiquing because the terms of critiques are already agreed to
you and i are not alike, you're probably some prebeg with no aspirations outside of social media clicks. your generalizations aren't even based on any empirical data, just parroted ic nonsense
i write from experience, not that i care if you believe me or not

>>7787759
there's an easy fix: just post your work along with your question
that way you save on pointless pyw prompts and filter for the ones that can actually help

>>7787824

I was on discord before you were born, nimrod. Since it released the moment Skype died. I’ve been in so many different art communities and they’re all the same. Maybe it is /ic/ nonsense because I’m probably part of the parroting since I’ve been here too long. Point is, It’s not a generalization. And me saying this is probably attacking (you)r server experience since you sound like a discord mod yourself.

>>7787844
Oh wait a minute, I did say a thing about “giving you shit” over critique. I am saying that people are >fake< on discord. That’s all I said. Nobody has time to critique you, even when you PAY money into some popular dudes server because they have lives no matter how much of a facade they put out there that the community will help each other out—they don’t. So it’s up to the server owner to step in, which is a mixed bag.


So what does that leave you in an individual experience? Vapid butt pats and networking.

>>7787844
and ive been on 4chan and the internet since before you were born numbnuts, whats the point in pointing this out? i've been through the cycle of sijun and conceptart.org
if you were actually a part of those communities you probably got burned so bad by being shit that you developed a persecution complex. there's good and bad communities but the bad communities always die and the good communities remain otherwise the same people getting good 15 years ago wouldn't still have jobs 15 years later

>Maybe it is /ic/ nonsense because I’m probably part of the parroting since I’ve been here too long. Point is, It’s not a generalization.
not only did you contradict yourself, you self-reported that you don't actually know anything about these groups at all other than ic conjecture

>And me saying this is probably attacking (you)r server experience since you sound like a discord mod yourself.
there it is, the ad hominem. that's when you know you've lost

pipe down junior, you're making a fool out of yourself

>>7787847
it's always so weird that 4chan is obsessed with this idea of people being "fake" and 4chan being "real" and the only real distinction ever made is because 4chan means you can call people retards and faggots with impunity

>>7787853

Yes I browsed CA forms in 2007/2008 when I was like in middle school and I hated their arrogance so much. The circle jerking was unreal. Honestly, I wish I never found CA forums and just stuck to deviantart. I would have been much happier in some Deviant art group soaking up their tips than huffing the farts from Elwell and his 9 sex slaves.
>not only did you contradict yourself, you self-reported that

Okay discord mod. I know, I know, your server is not like the other girls. It’s all the same. Exact. Experience. Except yours, of course. Because you’re different.

>>7787855
Would you get this type of experience you are reading right now on discord? Nah, you’ll get short sentences and people holding back what they want to say because mah branding muh art handle.

>>7787847
>Vapid butt pats
not that anon but violet clovers actually bullied the shit out of me, i left the server after i hit a breaking point and i ragedrew for 2 years +12hrs a day every day like a degenerate animal and its my job now. i told myself that i will either learn to draw or kill myself. despite being a shutin i started taking classes an atelier at the time and religiously attending life drawing classes every week at the art university in my city.

yes i spent 2 years of my life in hell but i would have been a permabeg and i wouldn't have met my now gf at the aforementioned atelier so i cant really complain

>>7787857
>Yes I browsed CA forms in 2007/2008 when I was like in middle school and I hated their arrogance so much. The circle jerking was unreal. Honestly, I wish I never found CA forums and just stuck to deviantart. I would have been much happier in some Deviant art group soaking up their tips than huffing the farts from Elwell and his 9 sex slaves.
oh okay so you probably got shit on for posting some beg scribbbles, got mad and now are still holding onto that grudge 17 years later and since you're still a beg, what they said was true and you hate yourself for it?
looks like we figured out where your asspain comes from
>Elwell
i will at least agree with you here, elwell was a stujpid faggot, wonder what that retard is doing now, i haven't heard of h im in years

>>7787862
>Would you get this type of experience you are reading right now on discord? Nah, you’ll get short sentences and people holding back what they want to say because mah branding muh art handle.
what experience? a bunch of begs that don't even know how orthogonal lines work in perspective while calling me a retard? personally not a fan of the schizoid method of learning

>>7778557
>>7778550
She's still better than most people in this board.

>>7787865
No I’m not a beginner for 17 years. See this is what I mean, fake ass artists. Because we’re anonymous it’s okay to throw blind insults at each other, degrading the quality of the very place you call “shit”. You do nothing yourself to improve the quality of the board here because in your mind, by default, you hate /ic/ and place your server highly.

>>7787864
This is the correct way to redirect spite. Good job, anon.

>>7786687
Social media is for faggots, and if any artist uses it they don't care about true art.

>>7787873
>No I’m not a beginner for 17 years. See this is what I mean, fake ass artists. Because we’re anonymous it’s okay to throw blind insults at each other, degrading the quality of the very place you call “shit”
so 4chan is shitty afterall? that's what i thought

>>7787892
4chan isn’t shitty you just suck everybody is friendly and helpful otherwise.

>>7787905
nah it's pretty shitty, especially post 2016 and post covid 4chan. the problem is you've tied your identity to this place because you're a tribalistic npc which is why you defend it as you do

>>7787862
Yes, all the time?

>>7788002

keep lying

>>7787927
The problem is you make it that way. You’re in the same bucket as the “I only come here for the resources and shit on the board on my way out” crowd. No different.

>>7787905
Kill yourself, this place is shit for getting crits. You're 100% part of some shitty backpatting clique like /dad/ or whatever if you believe this.

>>7788015
Maybe don't join servers full of people being fake trying to promote themselves and instead join communities actually focused on critiquing each other? idk, seems pretty obvious

isn't this supposed to be the watercooler thread

>>7788017
you just want a safe space, i get that, but you're just too much of a pussy to admit it
no wonder you hate discords, you're an insufferable little baby and they probably didn't coddle you so you ran away and now lambaste them but it's all based on your own personal resentment
cringe

>>7788026
it's really the offload your baggage and vent thread by another name. there used to be an actual vent thread but you can probably imagine how that went (not good)

>>7788034
Explicitly named vent threads were fine until retarded mods started deleting them on sight.
No idea why they removed those while allowing numerous AI threads and bait threads on.

>>7788032
How did everything I said draw the conclusion that I want safe spaces? If I say something stupid even if it’s something I legitimately thought about there is no consequence. But if I say something that i’d regret later in discord, well, I can’t bother saying it, because I’ll offend someone (always has in the past).
>oooh but that was in the past not everyone is blah blah
It’s the same. exact. episode. Every single time every server no matter what.

>have a nice looking page
>suddenly afraid of drawing anything else on it because it might make it look less presentable
fucking hell this is a form of social media brainrot i'm sure

>>7788132
this but with even posting art to begin with

if you draw every day it really becomes therapy at some point.
I drew through a grim phase and basically skipped the usual depression episode.

It's like a cheat code. I will never be unhappy anymore.

>>7788224
its escapism really, but that's not a bad thing and its better than doing heroin

donut steel

>>7788224
To me it's just the opposite, as it shows to me how I constantly fail.

How can I stop from changing things constantly or how can I tell if it’s an improvement or just changing to change things I’m not smart enough to find problems let alone fix them is that something which comes from experience

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the things that will contribute to your art the most actually has nothing to do with art

when will it end

>>7788866
Next Wednesday.

>>7788914
promise? don’t jinx

>>7771919
I had the same problem and then I discovered what it was.
I put my tablet on my desk, and set it up similarly to how I set up my home tablet, and instantly things feel 10x better.

I think what it is is muscle memory. You're so used to drawing in one position in one chair at a certain height that the moment you try to change that, it completely fucks with your brain and it feels impossible.

Having said that, I still don't use my Android tablet because I don't use it enough to learn new muscle memory because it's hard. A viscous cycle. Also drawing in public feels similar to being naked in public, idk what it is.

>>7788959
nta but I still prefer my desktop setup because no matter how much tweaking I do the brushes don’t feel the same on an ipad. It’s something, maybe because the wacom pen I have has a spring in it which gives it a little bit of feedback to the screen whereas the apple pencil doesn’t and I can customize the wacom pen pressure outside the program.

evens I draw for 6 hours
odds I doomscroll and fap
no takebacks, no rerolls

>>7788994

looks like you gotta draw, kid.

>>7789010
FUCK

>>7788963
Yeah, it's probably a bunch of little things that add up into making it feel completely alien. If you do practice art, like figure drawings or whatever, you can try doing some of them on the tablet to slowly build up that new muscle memory. Just do it in the same place, and when you get used to the pencil, then you can take it different places to build up that different muscle memory.

>draw something in an hour
>could be better
>add to it
>evaluate the piece
>its worse
>add to it
>evaluate it again
>repeat for hours
>back where I started
int hell

>>7789366
I'm there as a beg

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>>7766036
Has art helped in your dating life?

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Question to Patreon Havers:

At what amount of following does it make sense to open up a Patreon? Is it still a go to website for subscription stuff anyhow, or are there better options now?

Jfc I don't know where my life is going, I feel so helpless and everything looks bleak. I have had the same severely underpaid non-art wagie job for 13 years now for minimum wage but I am miserable, and because the business owner is a disgusting cheapskate (the business doubled in size over the years and thus revenue, there is some serious money being made, which is in no small due to me working myself to the bone for it, it used to be there was only two of us and the owner only worked for 2 days out of 5, and I did the other days entirely by myself, which were also 11 hour shifts with the full responsibility over living creatures solely on me) she recently cut my hours from 33 to 27 and it set me back nearly 300 bucks monthly because I am dealing with burnout issues because of this fucking shit ass job. I am fucking done with this place, but I have no other prospects. I have a shitty BA degree that is good for nothing. I am however pretty good at drawing and painting and am still expanding on my skills by being enrolled in an atelier 2 nights a week but how the fuck do I monetize this? I swear to god I have never been suicidal but as I was driving last night I had half a mind to steer the wheel into oncoming traffic.

>>7789533

You could do what that 7/11 guy does and record himself on the job to make youtube money. Monetize your suffering. There’s always something you can get from your employer under the table be it using company time for your own art or taking the excess electronics HR wouldn’t notice went missing. I dunno, get creative of your situation.

>>7789540
Funny just yesterday I went to a mechanic and the guy working on my car slipped me his own mechanic business for better deals. That’s what you call side hustling.

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>>7789533
I'm sorry this happened to you, bro, i've been there.

Not meming here, but how do you feel about drawing porn? If that's something you could enjoy, give it a try - start growing an online following and doing some small, low pressure commission while still doing your wagie job, until the art numbers look good enough to quite the wagie work and do art full time

Unironically it's one of the better ways to make money on art these days - as long as you got some pervert in you.

Oh, but if you live in US or the first world, it might take a long time until it's something that can support you full time

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>bro AI won't affect jobs, people will crucify you if you use it
Like every other giant corporation caught using AI, the outcry will fade in a week. No one will get fired, management will simply tell the artists "don't make it so obvious next time". As the tools improve, you won't even be able to tell in the future. It really is adapt or die in the coming decade.

>>7789885

Who wins? Coca cola and youtubers making outrage content about Coca cola. At the end of the day, you’ll still go to Mac Donalds and buy a big mac and a Sprite owned by Coca Cola.

>>7789885
>2 more weeks saar

>>7789893
>literally happening right in front of our eyes
Lol you retards will stick your head in the sand to avoid bad feelings at all costs.
>Surely "AI is just a bubble", surely it won't affect ME!
Meanwhile this ad which would've taken twice the number of artists to do before now only takes a few gen Z artists with AI. And they probably don't even get paid more than a senior artist. And this is just the beginning, who's going to do anything? Where's the coca cola, Activision, and Blizzard boycott?

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>>7789898
are you in the trades or what makes you so smug? robots are coming for that too and tech will be gone the second art will, what is your angle aside from trolling

>>7789898
>2 weeks saar

>>7789906
>smug
There's nothing smug in any of my posts. It is inflammatory so ostriches will realize this is a real threat that is happening RIGHT NOW, despite the prevailing notion in artist communities that AI is a fad that can't draw fingers.

Are we going to be apathetic and complacent, posting stupid "haha 2 more weeks jeet" memes all the way until the billionaires have passed all the laws protecting their exploitation of AI? People need to be angry and spread awareness of what's going on, because opinions influence action. If even artists keep saying "AI is just a meme", everyone else will think so too, and no one is going to protect us when it comes to passing legislation.

>>7789920
i don't think shitting up the *art* board will help anything. even if magically every artist in the world got the memo nothing would change. ignoring AI and working to better you own position where you can is ultimately the play. you said to adapt or die but there isn't anything to even adapt to, currently AI is shit and there is nothing to learn in AI. if it reaches critical mass it's just AI agent prompting AI, there is no use for humans at that point

>>7789920
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/openai-may-not-lyrics-without-092413590.html
you don't even bother to keep yourself informed. this literally happened today, there's also a separate lawsuit with authors where if the company is found liable then they'd be fined $150k per book
at least do a little research

>>7789993
These lawsuits will never go through because it would immediately pop the bubble and delete the world economy. At best they'll get settled for some meager payout.

Opinions don't influence action on AI because AI isn't run on revenue. It's propped up on investment capital circle jerks. You can't boycott it. The best you can really hope for is it kills itself on accident, but that will only happen once something else comes around to replace it.

>>7790002
>These lawsuits will never go through
ok raj

>>7790006
Where in my post do you think I think AI is good, Mr. Reading Comprehension?

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>make pixiv
>get notification
>oh boy!
>

>>7790043
yikes

>>7790056
Down the hall, to the left.

>>7790061

Which stall, babe?

Why not both? Silly me. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

i want to make a webcomic. I've never drawn anything and i can't write anything of quality either. I think it's the only thing i feel some sort of a desire to do though.

>>7790110
haha

ha

>>7790110
i too felt this way.. until i said screw it, turned my comic into a book and started drawing other shit instead

>want to draw
>dont want to study and copy refs
>stare at blank canvas because I can't draw from imagination

>>7790110
I think making comics is akin to tackling any other aspect of art. I've made several comics over the years (none that were finished lol) and they are really interesting to work on. I'd argue making comics is your fastest way to improving on art as a whole. Plus, you can see the progression of your art real time as the story progresses.

I'd recommend taking the first step and just making a one-shot that is badly drawn.

so what's the best website to upload my low tier art? is deviantart still viable? or has AI made it unusable? i know that much...

>>7790452
Deviant Art, Pixiv, Twitter, Instagram, NewGrounds, Tumblr. That's where I post and that's order from the most engagement to the least engagement.

Never know unless you actually do. You can also make yourself an E-Hentai gallery because different people use different sites. What E-hentai has over others is that you don't need account to see stuff and you don't need to censor. And same with DA, Pixiv and NewGrounds is that E-Hentai lets user search and see everything with the sought tags while Twitter, Instagram and Tumblr have algorithm to decide what you see and whom your art is shown to.

Why am I banned? I am so confused.

aaaarghh stop with the fucking vtuber and stream your art process god almighty where are the good art streams since pixiv live came off life support? I dont want to see a god damn png on the right corner of your screen bop up and down and up and down it adds nothing please for the love

>>7791128
It's actually there to let people know their stream hasn't stopped running lol

>>7789959
>shitting up the *art* board
Discussing topics which will have enormous ramifications for every artist isn't "shitting up the art board". Even you don't really believe any of your own horseshit when your conclusion is "well there's no point in doing anything". At this point it's just your cognitive dissonance trying to rationalize your avoidant personality that's insistent on staying in a safe bubble. If you're too dumb to see the pot is boiling, the least you can do is not try to convince the other frogs that everything is fine while the elites try to sprinkle spices on us.

>>7789993
How do you think things like this happen? Outrage and discourse. If your reaction to instances of AI taking jobs is to ignore it and downplay it (as if it's some personal attack on you, fucking lol), you are actively making things like what you referenced harder. People should be upset, and they should talk about these things with as many other people as they can. How else do you think change begins?

>>7791143
put txt file up as a notice you don’t need a b troober for that

>>7790476
In terms of begshit, deviantart surprisingly has more engagement if you’re just posting your stuff to the void. If you’re halfway decent then Pixiv would be first but if you’re just starting out, Deviantart. Pixiv can be brutal to begs and demoralizing. Followed by mastodon in second place then blue sky and then in dead last Twitter.

>>7789906
tradie here
we all hate AIslop more than anyone
AItroons thinks they are on our side

>>7789906
lol yesterday I saw an ad on indeed that was paying people to have their AI watch people do chores. It’s coming to the trades sooner than we think.

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>post a drawing, nothing stellar but I feel confident about it
>literally the least amount of likes yet.
god damn, this is demoralizing.
I know its nothing special and not worth looking more than 5 seconds but it ain't THAT bad. Right?

I am getting increasingly demoralized seeing newish artists get so good in so little time and flaunt it.
I know I need to be better but seeing others just fucking fly when I feel like I am crawling with my dick on broken glass is starting to do me in. How the fuck can I improve? Others do it fucking naturally. Fucking blind.
https://x.com/dantonphanton_/status/1988995378511778116

Just saw a repost of an old drawing I made a few years ago on the front page of my DA. The drawing is SFW in itself, but it was from my "problematic" unsavory Twitter account. I can't help but think, "does he know?". The weight of my sins keeps cumulating, but hey, someone liked my stuff enough to repost it I guess, and it allows me to see how much I've progressed.

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It keeps happening. How many artist hours did they cut with their use of AI? How many actual artists won't get hired simply because the work will be delegated to a smaller team of artists who use AI? Spread the word, make noise. These corporations WILL try to get away with as much as they can.

>>7793295
What most likely happened is that they outsourced that stuff to indians, and the indians, being the pajeets they are, got lazy and decided to scam their contractors.

>>7793321
They who? Someone up the chain knows what they’re doing.

life is not a video game where things are balanced and there's a creator trying to enforce fairness. That's why drawing shitty things takes longer and is much harder than drawing amazing things. If you draw something and its soulful and good, then it just comes out easily and you don't have to do anything more. If its shit, you have to work harder to save it, AND it's a blow on your mental. While drawing well actually IMPROVES your mental like a multipliter. Effort and practice do not corrolate with skill, it's completely out of your control so you might as well try your best and see what happens.

>>7793476
who are you talking to

>look up wing anatomy
>diagram has a human torso in it
i hate tumblrfaggots

>>7793498
first day on 4chan? You are supposed to make posts and then click submit so others can read them. .

>>7793750
riiiight…