The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.Previous thread:>>7785453 Some resources:/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asgBooks:Understanding Comicshttps://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/Making Comicshttps://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255dManga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Mangahttps://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwritinghttps://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/Even a Monkey Can Draw Mangahttps://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdfThe Shonen Jump Guide to Making Mangahttps://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6WpgVideos:"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videosManben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videosOP image is from Mobile Suite Gundam 80 Chapter 5.
>>7790007Some western / indie publishers of Manga:Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )> *The* western manga publisher.> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.> Still might be worth a shot anyway.Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )> Small indie manga publisher> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes> Allows crossposting to other sitesIconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration
>>7790008Other open comic publishers:Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faqTop Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).Additional publisher lists:> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/
>>7790010/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onographyhttps://discord.gg/QYnFBves7Vhttps://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)Additional community added Resources:Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videosGanmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/postsHow (You) can help /mmg/:> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.> Don't be a crab> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.
I'm talented and destined to make it. Someday my comics will be a big hit.
before I continue. Id like to know if anyone thinks this anons >>7789365 problems with my page are bad enough to warrant a redraw/shuffling of panels? I still think I can do more to sell the intended effect but im curious if I should readjust.
>>7790036Just keep it in mind for next time, not worth the effort to redo unless it's as a learning exercise.
Willyfig is looking rather dapper today
>>7790046very cool!
>>7790036Too much effort to redo. Just embrace it and move on.
>>7790046If he's Adam, who's God?
>>7790036changing the angle of some of the diagonals wouldn't be too hard to do, as long as you're using CSP's built in panel tool so you can simple move the boxes and edges.
>>7790068a heart with a tie on
>>7790036too many panels for an action sceneThe swing alone should dominant the rest of the page.
>>7790077I think the important question to ask is "why?" The reason this feels cluttered is because it lacks focus. The two panels on the bottom take up just as much real estate because of how the page is divided. Action has to be handled at a different speed, there is so much room for confusion that makes packing too much into one page a bad move. I also had a habit of doing this during action scenes because I didn't want to bloat the page count (and therefore add more work), but you really have to limit it to one event or one thing happening at a time, and do brief leadups when you have to. Ending it at the middle panel would be not only a comfortable stop, it would also add a lot of emotional weight.
After reading all your responses, and looking through some of my favourite mangas. Fuck i gotta go digital, or atleast half digital. Theres so many shortcuts, and picrel is obviously traced and it looks fine, for me that wouldve taken hours to do, and probably wouldnt look as good. Is going from trad to digital hard? At the least ill draw my characters trad and do backgrounds digitally, but i wanna see if inking characters digitally is easier too. Probably a case if dunning kruger to think it wont be hard, but we’ll see
>>7790328If you're used to one way then there'll definitely be a significant learning period.
>>7790328Just use ai to speed it up bro
>>7790328I think this looks like dogshit, the 3d models of the shelves don't look drawn over even with the ruler, they just look they were posturized.
>>7790328Don't listen to this guy >>7790335. Not only is AI of the devil but it's a good way to get mocked and shamed away from the community.If you want to go anywhere in this industry, reject AI and do your own work, that's what gains respect.
>>7790328Bro mangaka were using digital shortcuts since the 00's with great success (Gantz). I remember when /ic/ regularly shit on Illya for pretty much tracing/photobashing his references. Illya is now an extremely successful artist drawing what he enjoys, while the crabs on /ic/ are still here stuck in /int/ generals. No rules only tools. Never listen to idiotic crabs who want you to stay in the bucket with them. Create what you want with whatever tools you can use.
>>7790328Inio Asano often just uses photos with a grey filter as backgrounds. Also in "even a monkey can draw manga" the author encourages would-be mangakas to straight up just trace over photos as a shortcut if a pose is too hard to pull off. It makes sense:A mangaka needs to churn out a ton of drawings on a tight schedule so its only logical that they'd be experts at effective shortcuts. I honestly dislike the pic you posted but it looks fine as a glance (which is kinda the way manga is generally read, you glance at a picture, read the text and move onto the next one) so while it wouldn't work as a stand alone pic, it does work great within the context of a manga.TAKE FUCKING SHORTCUTS EVERYONE! THIS ANON IS ONTO SOMETHING!!!
>>7790328I went from trad to digital and it was a mostly seamless transition. I didn't like how slippery the screen I drew on felt even with a protective cover, so I added a stabilizer and tweaked it so it felt like I was drawing on paper again.
Trying to decide whether or not to do a comic in b&w or color so did this test. I don't know honestly. I do feel it may be easier to bullshit backgrounds in b&w though.
>>7790344Interesting, who here goes by deadlines? Let's count the yays and nays (Bonus points if you show your work)
>>7790328I'll be honest the panel you've shown doesn't look great but it doesn't matter as long as it isn't obstructive and it helps with deadlines.
>>7790328Going from trad to a screenless tablet is still something I'm adjusting to. The toughest part is that I can't rotate the pad to draw better angles because the picture on the monitor does not rotate with it and that throws me completely off.
>>7790344>>7790341Yeah, looking at basically all the big manga today, they all use digital tools in some way or another. Chainsaw mans use of 3d is noticeable, but normies only started talking about it when he got really lazy in part 2. Fujimoto uses all the shortcuts, and yet hes getting all these tv show and movie deals, just cause his story is so amazing, and the art is good enough. I think for most people if the art is good enough then theyll read. Look at webtoon korean slop.Its also pretty insane for comic artists to have to learn to draw a everything, so again shortcuts make sense>>7790375Hopefully im similar to you, but we’ll see. Ill probably only post stuff if it looks good, otherwise ill be depressive>>7790396I agree, but at the same time, people only look at panels for a split second, theres probably a balance in the middle though
>>7790040>>7790055I need this chapter to be really good or devils moon isn't gonna be a good series at all. its worth it this time.>>7790077>>7790091bashed together a new version of the page quickly. i think this addresses a couple things.>>7790328I used to do some asano type stuff with my backgrounds but its hard to get CSP to do it. if you have photoshop you'll have alot easier time. just remember he still does tons of additional rendering to make it all look drawn.
>>7790336>the 3d models of the shelves don't look drawn over even with the ruler, they just look they were posturized.They absolutely look drawn over, lol.>>7790344>Inio Asano often just uses photos with a grey filter as backgroundsThat's a gross oversimplification. If you just take a photo and slap a gray filter on it you won't get anything that even remotely resembles Asano's backgrounds.
>>7790404Definitely a lot more readable now, gj. Glad to see the passion
Glad to see everyone earnestly making their comics, lads.
>>7790341Love Hina did a lot of digital things to save time. Because they spent a lot of time in the same rooms, backgrounds for these were extensively recycled. This saved much time on establishing shots.
>>7790335Unironically using it as a base for a background is a good idea, block out the shapes and some ideas, the detail it yourself
>>7790401>Chainsaw mans use of 3d is noticeable, but normies only started talking about it when he got really lazy in part 2. Fujimoto uses all the shortcuts, and yet hes getting all these tv show and movie dealsBecause as a manga creator you are a storyteller first. If you wanted to be an illustrator you would've done color comics. Most normies look at B/W as a detriment, you can see this reflected in the fact that all the top comics on reddit/webtoons are colored.So even if you created beautiful b/w drawings with dazzling screentone work, most normies would still think "where's the color". Most mangaka accept that what they're creating isn't the best final product, but the best possible story/concept, that if it's good enough will one day receive an adaptation that brings the visuals to life. So take those shortcuts. Create, and fail, and create some more. Don't get bogged down by stupid concerns about "b-b-but artists will make fun of me for using 3D".
every time someone dares to say fujimoto is a shit artist (he is) there's always a superhero swooping in to defend him as if their life depends on it.
Lets not forget that alot of artists, even the legend Murata, draw trad, and then finish digitally (well his assistants do). Dandadans author also does that. Probably a good way to get soulful characters (trad), and then good backgrounds (digital)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRm9Sb8l3As
yo FUCK manga I'm SICK of drawing like shit, and I bet my story fuckin SUCKS too
>>7790490I mean, by virtue of the fact that manga is as popular as it is, seems to indicate that "the normies" are fine with black and white. Not only that, but black and white comics are all over the world even if we're not talking about manga.Encouraging people to do the bare minimum is just stupid and sad. There's nothing wrong with digital, and there's nothing wrong with using stuff like 3D and photo manip as tools, but you ride a line that is easy to cross to just make sterile, lifeless, boring, bland, uninteresting crap like this >>7790328 it just feels like it encourages laziness. There's nothing inspiring about this at all. I would imagine that you could as most people why they are inspired to want to copy and draw manga, and they'd probably point to the art as the main reason and the selling point. So when the art is reduced down to nothing more than utilitarian nuts and bolts the hold the story together, you really may as well just write a book, or a LN with a few illustrations here and there. Having complete disregard toward art in a medium where art is kinda paramount is so strange to me.There are plenty of beautiful manga where the art is held in high regard, even amongst your dreaded "normies" like pic related.
>>7790401>just cause his story is so amazing,I don't really think so, but that's just me.
>>7790404Oh, it's a tumble, not a punch....I'd make it a punch desu. That's what I initially thought it was.>I need this to be really goodI'll do a red line over your page then, show you clear flaws, then I'll tell you how to fix it.
>>7790337Woah. I agee with Jake?!Maybe we're not so different; you and I.
>>7790554Have you read Chainsaw Man, anon?
>>7790576Whaat? You don't think AI manga is the future!?You should sport a tripcode too and be another insufferable faggot
>>7790554yeah, and even "normies" have started to complain
Did you guys start new accounts for your art? I follow alot of right wing extremists, although I dont post. If I wanna build an audience I probably dont want people to know I listen to Nick Fuentes huh
>>7790007UWAAA COMMANDER TYPE ZAKU I WITH ZAKU 2 SHOULDER PADS AND GOUF HEAT SWORD...
>>7790636If you want non-gay audience, yes.
>>7790636anyone who is into american politics is guranteed to fail in manga, its an automatic mindworm that's gonna pervert and corrupt everything you draw and write, enjoy being shit
>>7790653oh yeah? tell that to Itagaki
>>7790653>>7790663(I agree though)
>>7790653>>7790665niggas left or right, thats just understanding the world your in. you can act all high and mighty about how, "I dont care about politics, Im above it" but it cares about you. Im not gonna put any politics into my manga, just more of a realist perspective, write it like something from the 50s, something true to life. Alot of manga is heavily political anyway, and right wing not in the politcal sense, but in how they see the world. Its not gay and retarded like the west, and its not overly political, its just true to life, (which means its right wing)
>>7790670>I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.>J.R.R. Tolkien
>>7790328>>7790554Get over yourself. It's not as easy as it looks. It would take you 500 years to come up with the Darkness devil. Your shit would probably look like a webtoon where they literally just drop in 3D assets. Even the OP Gundam manga is using processed proprietary 3D model and software straight from Banrise. Official Gundam manga have been using 3D modes for everything but the characters for over 20 years now and nobody cares other than a few puritans(They can go read Origin). The trick is to get it to look like manga and when you see how much effort that takes, you'll give up since it isn't the quick and easy cheat you thought. The 3D takes care of one difficulty but doesn't suddenly erase them all and turn your genderbent trauma dump into an interesting comic.Here, have a pic of Chainsawman turning a 3D asset sword into peak manga
>>7790575>>7790554Here’s how I would do it. It’s a little weird for me to work Left to Right reading order, but hopefully you can make sense of my chicken scratch, You’ve got a bit of an issue in that the natural reading order is the reader’s eyes want to got left to right, but all your drawings pull the readers TO the left. When they should in fact be pulling them to the right.You also want to show your character’s expressions. So what I did is, I kept your opening panel where they (presumably) catch the chain, and then what you want is a front shot of your MC being like “oh shit” and you can double this up by having your first line of dialogue happen there offscreen. From there, you have a silent panel of the antagonist either smirking or having a stoic dark face, depending on their personality (I had them smirk for the sake of clarity). Then, the yank should be BIGGER panel, with a lot of diagonal force and the YANK should PULL to the right of the page, so the readers can FEEL the force of the action. This is where you can include the next bit of dialogue, but it should be said more dramatically.Then the swinging around should be your highlight and thus the biggest panel. However, a few notes. No.1 when you spin a rope or chain, the rope or chain doesn’t curve, at least not if you swing it around in a circle. A chain swing in a circle is essentially a radius, it’s a straight line from the center to the edge (though it does curve slightly to imply motion), thus, you want to use action lines to imply circular motion. Second, when a body is swung in a circle, all the appendages and such wouldn’t also swing outward, so you want to show the legs dangling toward the camera. Third, I wouldn’t make this is a single swing, I would make this a multiple swing motion (think So Long Gay Bowser), because the goal here is to have build up so the tumble has more impact.
>>7790705>>7790404Currently, you have this huge dramatic action with a big panel, but the payoff is a flat tumble. Always construct your pages in spreads (as I just did). On the opposite page, you want to elevate the build up of the swinging by having the antagonist let go, and SHOWING that, and give it a lot of force with action lines.Then the tumble should feel like it hurts. Have the tumble toward the camera so we can center ourselves on the POV of the protagonist again, but be sure to move the line of action Left to Right.Then your final two panels should be the MC getting up (you can probably even add 1 more panel here to stretch this a bit, maybe zoom in on their face and show blood dripping), but the key is your hikigoma. They look up, and WHAT!? THEY’RE GONE!!So on your page turn you have a big dramatic panel of the villain standing behind them.Here’s the redline showing the mistakes, but I think I explained most of it in text.You don’t have to do it like this, but this is how I would personally approach this. Remember, in manga, you always want to exaggerate everything. Big emotions, big actions, and great attention to detail and intentionality.Hopefully my messy drawings and handwriting make sense.
>>7790705>>7790709This should help make it more clear.You don’t have to break it up exactly like this, but personally, I’ve very keen on using small overlay panels for more minor actions, as they don’t break up the flow of things or take too much attention, but that’s more of a personal stylistic choice.
>>7790715Oh yeah, I forgot to say. You definitely want to make sure you SHOW your characters’s faces in reaction shots and even pauses between dialogue like this. 1, it builds anticipation, but more importantly, by seeing how characters reaction to certain revelations, visually, be it shock, fear, surprise, etc… we’re able to connect with them emotionally much better. This is true even in fight scene. The goal of a story is to get people to engage with it emotionally, a fight serves a higher purpose than just being cool action. It also has its own narrative and wants to make readers feel certain things. This is why it’s key you don’t hide your characters’ faces, but rather look for opportunities where it seems suitable to have a reaction shot or sorts that reveals more about their emtional state or turn in emotion at that point.No.2 also make sure you use action lines to guide the eye through your panel, particularly focal action lines to help readers focus on specific points within your panels. This is a handy trick more smoothly guide the eye through the page.No.3 USE onomotopoeia. It gives more energy to your page, and also understand that the page is constructed with the onomopoeia in mind, in terms of composition. So always plan how the onomotopoia break in your page. GASHAN, GIRIGIRI, ZUDON, etc…You can do the same in English: CLUTCH! YANK! POW! TUMBLE TUMBLE, etc…
Got assigned to do some scouting work for a new manga publisher company thats in the worksWanted to get it straight from the source, What are somethings you look for in a Manga Contest?What are somethings you expect of a publisher (I.e a small one)?Deal breakers?
>>7790752>Deal breakers?Anything woke. Or promoting diversity or LGBT or whatever. I mean as part of their advertisment.
>>7790754what a pussy this guy lol
>>7790754Lol don't worry we're not going that route
>>7790754I'd rather self publish that deal with oversight from leftoid commies and the mentally ill.
>>7790755nta but i think the average westerner is just burnt out on politics at this point. itd be like a new publisher coming out and banging the drum for trump or whatever. Weebs (the people you're trying to convince to buy your product) do not care about any of that shit
>>7790759>nta but i think the average westerner is just burnt out on politics at this point.This is true. Ever since 2014 the internet is just an endless onslaught of politics. I miss the times when internet was not yet srs bsns. I wonder if theres any publisher that actively tries to avoid politics of any kind. It could be nice.
>>7790752The ultimate goal of a comic/manga contest should be to attract talent. By enticing people with money and/or fame to make or present a comic/manga to your publisher. I can't think of any other motive that would not be stupid in comparisan to this singular goal.How do you attract talent?The rewards offered should be as lucrative as possible. Your publisher should have great publicity and/or the money offered should be a great amount.Those are the obvious things, that's the foundation. If those aren't there, it's a waste of time because anyone with talent won't be interested.Actually capturing that talent is more nuanced. Lets say you ruin a competition, and it's got great cash prizes and lots of attention, except the comic/manga must be a story about 1980's muscle cars.Now imagine a hypothetical Akira Toriyama shows up and sees your contest and under his arm he has just finished the entirety of Dragonball, it's ready to go, he just needs a publisher. But your contest is about 1980's muscle cars, and so he goes elsewhere, and you don't get Akira Toriyama. This is a failure of exclusion, you desperately do not want to exclude potential talent from entering your contest.There are countless contests out there, but they have arbitary exclusions like this, and so they miss out on potential talent.On the flipside, you must have some focus. If there is no focus, then your contest is directionless. Is this a contest about childrens comics like Dogman? Is this about esoteric avant garde comics? Is this for romantic womens manga or gritty action manga? You have to exclude in that sense. Even if you attracted Dav Pilkey (author of Dogman)... if you're not publishing childrens comics, his talent is useless to you.Communicate your focus/demographic clearly. Many contests are vague and people do not enter because they think it's not for them.
>>7790752Similiar to the first point about the rewards being worthwhile, they must also be worthy of the dignity of the entrants.There are many contests, (most notably in the music industry) that employ predatory approaches to copyrights. You own nothing, you get paid scraps, you are forbidden from working for others, etc etc.Fools will sign up to these contests, but anyone with a brain will avoid them like the plague.Yes it's in your interest as a company to control as much of your product as possible, but artists are sensitive creatures, you have to let them own what they make, even if it's for your company. Atleast within reason.It's fine for an engineering company to hold all the patents to things an employee invents at the company (though even this has areas of contention)But it's absolutely not acceptable for a comics company to hold onto the original artwork of an artist they hire (see Jack Kirby)If you don't treat the talent well, you won't attract the best.
>>7790762>The ultimate goal of a comic/manga contest should be to attract talent. By enticing people with money and/or fame to make or present a comic/manga to your publisherAgreed, we've been discussing what the cash prize should be. What do you think in your opinion would be an acceptable cash prize for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place? as the the focus, agreed as well, theres one in place though i obviously cant spill the beans on in it yet
>>7790764>If you don't treat the talent well, you won't attract the best.agreed, we're also trying to be realistic in what we can offer, since year 1-5 tends to be the death phase of many early companies trying to be too ambitious. THe main thing we want to provide is an expedient way for new and old artists like to get published with short stories and perhaps use it as a way for them to get bigger opportunities from the bigger boys down the line. Almost like a resume/portfolio builder rather than trying to sell the dream that this will be the new MArvel or Shonen jump that alot of small presses do
>>7790759>>7790760The problem is that it seems like westerners genuinely, and I mean GENUINELY, 1) do not seem to understand that every single piece of media is not a vehicle for disseminating whatever politics they PERSONALLY believe in, and 2) that even if you are going to do that, there are more subtle ways to discuss XYZ topic without bludgeoning your audience to death with the message. They really don't seem to understand this, or even worse only pretend to not understand so that if you say that ABC intellectual property has no real tie to XYZ real world issue, they'll accuse you of being against them and that ABC intellectual property was never "for you." Imagine if DBZ suddenly started talking about rent control for people making under a certain amount a year, or if Lupin III started discussing whether there should be higher capital gains taxes on stock arbitrage in order to fund free city transportation. It's fucking tone deaf and stupid. Get that blatant political shit out of here.
>>7790768I think as long as you give 5 or so really talented artists a standard page rate that gives them a liveable income + royalties, then I think you can strike even. The biggest thing will be filtering through all the dogshit to pull up 5 people who can actually be gems. The problem is, it's not just talent you want, but creative impulse and the will power to stick with it and make something. Unfortunately, people like that are rare. Even Japan struggles to find talent like that, and they give the best deals.
>>7790752But going a bit further, everything I've said above is pretty much common sense I think.But to give my own personal thoughts on what would make a truly successful manga contest and by extention manga publisher:I'm assuming you're in the west and not Japan. In the west there is a general malaise surrounding comics (and western-made manga are often 'comics enough' to fall into this pit).If people see your contest or your publisher and get a whiff that it's 'stories told through sequential images' ie comics, and 'made in the west' ie it's not from Japan with a solid track record, immediately, people are not interested. Because comics in the west are tired, they are so worn out, they have been ground into the dust through decades of bad decisions, so much that people are not even interested in the medium itself. And anything new coming out from it, whether it's a new publisher, a new IP, it doesn't matter, to most people, comics are bad, they will not buy them, they will not even look at them or give them even a single chance.You have to escape this association. It has to feel like something else, something new. Manga feels new. People who buy manga do not feel like they're a comics book customer.But you've really got to make it clear that it is not going to be the same old rubbish that the comics industry has been peddling for 80 years.This is more directed to the customer and not the comics entrant.But for example, if you were to ask a group of totally random people "give me a pitch for a comic", they will immediately start listing terrible superhero comic ideas, because to everyone, that is what comics are. That's the association. You have to escape that association. That is no success to be found in the old comics industry, it is pure poison from a business point of view.
>>7790771>Get that blatant political shit out of here.Yup, also i think it comes down to the fact that most modern western writers are ASS at writing nuance. Look at ghibli who regularly injects politics into his shit, largely environmental ones, but he still manages to show both sides as having both pros and cons. (Princess Mononoke being the best example of this). Because the Nuance is where its interesting, its the conflict. no one wants to read a glorified PSA
>>7790771Bingo. See >>7790677The problem is people today are just too fucking stupid and uneducated. Like education has gone to shit, and with it, general intelligence. Modern schools are moreso factories to indoctrinate the young rather than teach anything.
>>7790773Thanks for the feedback anon, will write this all done and report back to the team
>>7790771I think the political issue can be solved in a simple yet subtle way that doesn't scream "racist anti woke, they're banning the politics!!"Simply require the comic/manga to be well recieved by the readers. That is, to say, if the comic isn't popular, it gets cancelled.In Weekly Shonen Jump by Shueisha, they run 20 or so manga concurrently, and they are rated 1 through 20 by popularity. If something falls to the bottom of the list, it gets cancelled and replaced with a new manga.If they published anything woke, it just simply wouldn't be popular and would get cancelled, not because of it's politics directly, but simply because it wasn't popular enough.Even if all 20 stories were filled to the brim with politics. With a robust popularity poll system, one by one, each one would be cancelled, and eventually a comic that isn't terrible would make its way in, and it would stay in because it would be popular, and eventually all the political comics would be gone and never return.
>>7790774>most modern western writers are ASS at writing nuanceTake something like a woman being strong, whether it be physically or mentally, etc. In a manga/anime/JRPG or whatever, the girl would just be strong and that's it. There wouldn't be any real discussion or there is a quick little blurb about why it's fine. Ok, whatever, audience shrugs and says "sure." Worked for the Major in Ghost in the Shell, worked for the Valkyries in Valkyria Chronicles, etc etc etc.Meanwhile in western media be it a movie or a game, you'd have an entire fucking scene constructed and a goddamn ten minute conversation about how the woman is strong - and it's never about how the woman is strong because of whatever, it always has to be in your face and confrontational and injected with 24 helpings of "WOMAN STRONK." It's like wtf man, couldn't you have just made the lady strong and moved on with it? By constantly making these kinds of scenes in western media they ironically are constantly stating that it's not normal and accepted and calling attention to that fact. I just want to grab the western creator/team and just shake them while screaming to stop talking so much. Show, don't tell. SHOW, DON'T TELL.
>>7790780>By constantly making these kinds of scenes in western media they ironically are constantly stating that it's not normal and accepted and calling attention to that factwhich is insane when you think about how the 90s were the king of showing strong women in a way that didnt immediately poison them to the audience. All the female members of Xmen, Tomb Raider, Bloodrayne, Xena, Major from Ghost in the Shell, etcNo one hated them because the point of those characters werent to bash men but to be like "Look at this badass chick, aint she hot?"
>>7790779This 'popularity poll' idea actually solves a great deal more problems than just the politics. What it does is it forces the product being made to perfectly allign with what the customers as a whole want. It's essentially market research.Not only would bad politically infested stories be cancelled due to lack of popularity, but bad art style, and bad genre tropes would be cancelled also. Good ideas that come in would rise to the top of the popularity charts, and anyone who wishes to stay in business will be forced to copy those good ideas. And so very quickly the only comics that will be made, are ones that people actually like.And even if all the comics being made then become the same, this too will become stale and unpopular, easily surpassed by something new and exciting that breaks the mold, and then everyone will start copying that, and the cycle continues, forever chasing precisely what is most popular in any given year.
>>7790765>Agreed, we've been discussing what the cash prize should be.If you want to be taken seriously, you should offer the exact same that the big publishers in Japan offer.$10,000 for grand prize, with a guaranteed serialization contract (after the work is refined for serialization).$1000 for runner ups, that gets them a contact with and editor for direct feedback and aid so they can do better in future contests.$500 for honorable mention, with a comment on what was good and what can be improved.Note, that you do NOT have to give out a grand prize if no one reached the standard. Japanese companies often do it this way in their monthly contests. Most months is like 2-4 runner ups, and a bunch of honorable mention. You should away have a base standard for what to expect, never lower the bar.Additionally, you should allow people to bring in their stories for review at any time outside of contests. You also want to lure people in who might be too timid to join a contest, so you can guide them toward that, or the occasional genius who does show a lot of promise, but wouldn't have tried by joining a contest because they already had story in mind and it wouldn't have suited the one shot format.Your goal is to foster a pool of hundreds of promising upstarts, and through a team of editors, groom them into being proper mangaka who can make professional work. So don't expect to really launch anything for like.... 2-3 years I'd say. Prepping a series takes time, and you're gonna get a ton of people who still need development, and you need to find ways to separate the wheat from the chaff.Like goal of competition and the contests is moreso to grind people into competence, than to actually find a super talented genius. You use the contests and competition to filter out people simply don't have what it takes.Because ultimately, you, and they are indeed in competition for people's attention, and if they want to earn a living doing this, then they have to put up.
>>7790779The problem is, in order to have a poll, you need readers, and you won't get readers if the magazine is poisoned with political slop.
>>7790786Not that guy but, aside from the simple fact that it's very unlikely a startup company even has the money available to offer such prizes... as a new company, NOT offering the grand prize, particularly in your first contest, is a surefire way to immediately sink your reputation. You'll be branded a scam and it'll be over before you know it.
>>7790786>Note, that you do NOT have to give out a grand prize if no one reached the standard.I obviously don't decide what the prize money will be but this seems like it would be a PR nightmare to pull a Mangaplus creator move. To offer such a big grand prize and not pay it out will most likely sink the company, everything else you said about fostering talent is right though
>>7790795You make it clear from the outset of the contest that getting the grand prize is not guaranteed if no one meets the minimum level.Look at every international contest Jump has made, and how much garbage it got.If you're a smaller company, you're guaranteed to get nothing BUT garbage if you don't offer better incentives. You'll be lucky if you can even get one half decent person who alone wouldn't be enough to carry the magazine either. Plus, if you hire them, you're gonna have to pay them a page rate that gives them a full time liveable wage anyway. So what's better, to hold many contests offering competitive prizes to build up a pool of hopefuls, or to employ a bunch of mediocre and unrefined artists with full time wages, and have the whole thing crash and burn because why would anyone read something uninteresting? Which of the two is more expensive?
>>7790792>if the magazine is poisoned with political slopIf I ran the magazine, my standard would simply be "would a Japanese magazine likely run this comic, with this messaging?" There's a huge difference between simply wanting a cool-ass story like Afro Samurai and one going "um, well AYCKSHUALLY we have this one guy called Yasuke and he TOTALLY was the super duper best person ever and and and and and....."
>>7790796Your grand prize should be given out to the person you ACTUALLY want to serialize. It'd be a bigger mistake to serialize someone who doesn't have what it takes to make an interesting manga, simply because they were the best pick out of an unfortunately bad pool of candidates. It's not just manga plus that does that. All of Japan does. And it's for obvious reasons. And even despite that's they STILL struggle to find good talent.
>>7790798Well yeah, Afro Samurai isn't political.
I think there is potential in the west to make great comics that follow the formula of manga. But currently, the people who have the potential to make those comics are disillusioned.They can't get a job at Marvel or DC, and even if they did, they don't want to draw superheroes, they want to be like manga and publish their own original idea.They can't get published by Shueisha because learning Japanese is not something they're keen on doing, they just want to make their comic. The cards are stacked against them... and so they give up, they don't make a comic, their dream dies.They have no hope.We need to give them hope.One indie comic creator needs to succeed (they do sometimes, rarely, but they do), and then use that success to inspire and support others. Stand up and say "I did it, now you can do it too!"Get those would-be comic artists excited, don't let them lose their dream. Make them believe that their idea is great and that it can succeed. And then help them succeed. Give them a platform, give them a foot in the door. And once more people start succeeding the ball will start rolling and within a few years you'll have a booming industry full of amazing talent. Because there is talent buried within the people of the west, and certainly is a market to buy what they can make.If I ever succeed with my own comic one day. If I could go to the popularity of Scott Pilgrim or Blacksad or something, I will use that as leverage to start a movement for a new comics industry here in the west.
I have a feeling that anon is not representing any company that can afford such expenses as a big prize pool or living wages for anyone above indian ai scammer standards. Most likely its a group of naive hopefuls who are banking on artists contributing for 'exposure and to help build the brand'This worked back in the 60s and 70s when a part time job paid enough for a single guy to live confortably, but not today.
>>7790809>but not today.Anon a full time job fails to pay comfortably now a days
>>7790810Reading comprehension.He didn't say "full time" idiot.
>>7790810Exactly. But that doesnt mean we can settle for even less.
>>7790809>I have a feeling that anon is not representing any company that can afford such expenses as a big prize pool or living wages for anyone above indian ai scammer standards.No we intend to offer a decent prize/realistic publication deal (I.e a short story that goes no more than 1-3 volumes). We just dont want to blow a hole in our finances out the gate is all, its what kills most small companies in those first 5 years.
>>7790807The problem is that the entire deck is stacked against them. You would have to search long and hard for the support staff to make such a company even if you were born a trust fund baby and had all the venture capital you needed from day 1. You'd have to weed out all the people who would try to force them to make more capeshit as well as what seems like way too many people in these indie publication companies who either also want to do capeshit or only promote political comics regarding [insert popular thing du jour]. It also doesn't help that way too many people even if they do make art, don't seem to have any creative spark at all. Skills aside at least /mmg/ anons have some interesting stories - I wish more people would try to write cool stuff.
Everyone whose ever told me the story of chainsawman is incredible was a mouth breathing reatrd who needed to study youtube videos explaining manga plots to follow along, and would speedwatch anime at 1.5.Just keep your audience in mind, including yourself. Do you want to draw your best, or do you want to draw at a comfortable level? Don't try to appeal to other people because then you're adhering to their standards, which brings those standards into question. Think of them as the minimum threshhold, while you strive to impress only yourself.
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>>7790819Here's the timeline:>You make a successful comicThis is the obvious hard part, but it's absolutely required>use newfound popularity to inspire othersDo interviews, talk shows, go to art schools, etc. Get people passionate about the art of making comics.>Do that for a few years and then open a comics company that copies the manga formulaThat is, you run contests, you serialise people who win those contests, etc.The people you inspired earlier are now ready enter your contest.>Use those people to inspire further peopleIf your success and popularity was great enough to have attracted and inspired enough people, then you will surely have found atleast 2-3 others who are also good enough to be able to inspire yet more people.And let it grow from there.There are plenty of people in the west who do succeed independently, but every time they do, they take their success and run, they don't use it to help others. They had to find their own investors, printers, buy con tables, advertising, etc. We can take that weight off their shoulder and just let them make their comic.
>>7790819>It also doesn't help that way too many people even if they do make art, don't seem to have any creative spark at all.Underrated statement.
>>7790670you're conflating politics (pertaining to how the populace should be governed) with philosophy (ideas about life and the world) these two things can influence each other but they are not the same.
>>7790847The success of manga is enough tot convince me that there is a market here that appeals greatly to young people. It is ready and willing to consume comics, we just simply aren't making anything worth buying.
>>7790856>It is ready and willing to consume comics, we just simply aren't making anything worth buying.Marvel/DC will spend millions of dollars to ensure that this remains the case. They will not truly invest in a department wing whose job is to let authors go wild with creative new stories like they do in Japan, because they view any success of these new stories as siphoning away money from the capeshit IP valuation. Capeshit stories aren't stories. They're PRODUCT (tm). And they will not let anything touch their golden goose.
>>7790862>Marvel/DC will spend millions of dollars to ensure that this remains the case.NTA but aren't we seeing the audience buck traditional AAA products in favor of indie projects BECAUSE of that attitude? I think if anything the next few years will be much kinder to indie publishers of all kind than it was in the past
>>7790862Creatives demand ownership, and publishers in America demand that same ownership in exchange for the platform This is the stand-off that has ruined the industry and will be its death. The publishers will simply keep milking what they already own, and creatives will rather keep their good ideas to themselves than give them to a corpo for a poverty wage
>>7790862Marvel/DC do not have millions of dollars to squash the competition, if they did they would be opposing Shuiesha, but they're not.The movies make money, but that money is not used to support the comics department. The comics department has no capital. They are, from a business point of view, uncompetitive.
>>7790866They have the money, they are owned by the largest media corps in the world. However, they have no interest in expanding, reinvesting, or even sustaining. They will allow it to die slowly through starvation while they squeeze what they can out of its historyThen you will see Disney buy Shueisha and do the exact same thing.
>>7790869You're not listening. They don't have the money. The movies may be sitting on billions but that money is not accessible by the comics department. If the comics department wants to spend money on something, they must submit a request up the chain. That request will not be approved because the comics are not an important part of the company at large. This is self evident from the fact that comic expenses have never been lower. They have no money.
>>7790643>>7790636isn't nick fuentes gay and he got mad at kirk outgaying him so he had him shot?
>>7790401I draw traditionally because it adds charm and roughness to environment and characters that is extremely annoying to imitate digitally. I also just don't like looking at screens for too long. Do whatever is best for the story and lets you do things on time.
i cant reply to everything but i'm starting a redraw now. posting the rest of the storyboard in-case any more thoughts could be shared about it.>>7790705>when you spin a rope or chain, the rope or chain doesn’t curve, at least not if you swing it around in a circle.I didn't know this. I visualized the scene by throwing around a ragdoll in garrys mod. I didn't think of the consequences there.>>7790709>Always construct your pages in spreads I started by doing this but redrafting this page kinda invalidated it. I guess that just makes it easier to do a full redraw.>Hopefully my messy drawings and handwriting make sense.I wouldn't mind if the notes on this page were transcribed honestly. i'm struggling to read them. i imagine your post is already saying whats on it though.>>7790722>No.3 USE onomotopoeia. It gives more energy to your pageI think this is my weakest aspect over all. I REALLY hate english onomatopoeia, and tend to wing it as i'm finishing the page. I wish I knew more Japanese because id just be using those if I did.
>>7790913>I REALLY hate english onomatopoeiaI completely eschew it unless a scene is so blatantly in need of an SFX that it gets something. There is nothing more cringe than english SFX. Makes me feel like I'm doing a 1950s Batman bit. POW! KABLOOEY! KABAM! ZING!
>>7790922>>7790913You will never be Japanese
>>7790929okay???
>>7790752Try to work with clipstudio for your comic contest. For some reason many different companies (including jump) have decided to host contests with CSP regularly (all with the same prize structure, which I assume CSP helps with). Many people from these threads have entered such contests in the past.
>>7790929I never said I used japanese sfx either, so I don't know why you started with that. I also have zero wish to be Japanese.
>>7790922Thats why you have to make your own
>>7790636>I listen to Nick FuentesKek, do you listen to Ben Shaprio and the other grifters too? Imagine basing your life around inflammatory world views designed to keep you coming back to these midget grifters. Better buy some Trump meme coins and remember: Dear Leader is not on Epstein's list. Obey and conform.
A couple more pages done, still getting used to drawing dudes
>>7790576We both see the dangers AI has on creativity and passion. It's up to people like us to make sure as much of humanity keeps as much integrity as possible.
>>7790328Good Lord that sticks out like a sore thumb.Like a Niel Breen greenscreen. Like stick figures drawn over some clipart
>>7790636Funny you ask. Yes I am starting a new account, but not because Im right wing, but because I checked through Grok and my art was flagged.
>>7790830Looks good. I get that you're going for a more European panel style. If and when you get to action, are you going to use more dynamic panels?
>>7791022clean and effective screentone/panelwork. very nice
>>7791054Unironically, if Chainsaw Man's anime was faithful to the source material it would be directed and shot like a Niel Breen movie.
>>7791065>series is immensely successful and has made its author wealthyJust goes to show how important "real art" is in manga. Nobody cares, you aren't painting a Mona Lisa, you're telling a story. Good art helps, but serviceable art is good enough.
>>7791061>European panel style......... more rectangles and squares of varying size?
>>7791065I might have watched it then.
>>7790995You clearly dont know a thing about him cause hes extremely anti trump and anti neo con because neo conservatives are anti human.Magas over now since trump started talking about how important immigration is and how we need more if it because Americans arent skilled enough.
>>7790636What comic are you even making?
>>7790913ran out of steam at the end but i redrafted it.
Other than being too static, is there anything wrong with the way Watchmen does action scene?Unlike most action comics and battle manga, Watchmen's panelling is very simple and as a result easier to follow.
>>7791118lol listening to gay boy fuentes, just suck a dick bro it's 2025 you're already halfway there.
>>7791134I dont like the paneling in this pic actually, its hard to read. Each sequence could make its own page but its forced into a two spread. If you did the first three panels as a right page, then have the middle drawing be a dedicated double page spread, and the last three panels be the follow up left page after the double spread, that would read easier. As is Im drawn to the middle cause thats where the action is and it throws me off the sequence
>>7791118Fuente's was on Trump's dick during the election. Maybe he defected in the past year because he wasn't getting enough preferential treatment from the orangutan, like the other rightwing grifters were. I'm sure if daddy showed up on his podcast he'd sing a different tune.
>>7791161>the orangutanClassy.I love how you idiots can't ever help yourselves.In any case< Fuentes is a dumbass and a grifter, that much we can agree on.
>>7791161Someone could draw a comic on rightards actually believing in Trump. Saying "muh migrants are le bad, I'll kick them out" and then getting elected and not kicking them out (why the fuck would you kick out your cheap manual labor?) is a classic and somehow retards fall for it every single time lmao. And I don't mean just le orange man btw.
>>7791167Yes, because what we need MORE of is leftist retards using comics as their mouthpieces to build strawmen of their narrow and ignorant political worldviews.Shall I tap the sign again? >>7790677
>>7791167Also sorry for calling you a retard that was very mean of me.
>>7791188>Are you fucking retarded of course you want to kick out your cheap labour. Having alot of unskilled immigrants screws over the white lower/middle class due to their being a huge supply with no demand, and people are extraordinarily less likely to unionise with foreigners. It would be bad for the line on the graph, but great for the actual population.What makes you think they care about the actual population? Trump and all that sort of rightard politician is looking not for the general population but for their own social class, namely the bourgeoisie. They'll sell out everyone else to get their gibs. The proof is that they historically have always done it and are doing it right now lmao.They're good with fucking over the lower middle class (regardless of race) and feel even better about people not unionizing because unions give power to their class enemies (the working class). I feel like a comic about this drawn in black and white in a somewhat messy artstyle could be nice.>>7791192it happens>>7791190Sorry if I straight up just talk about politics then mr. mass report could get me another 1 day vacation.
>>7791188Yes that's the joke, ofc Trump wouldn't want his exploitable serf class kicked out. The elites of both the right and left have less in common with the average man than they do with each other. It was always them vs. us, never right v left. Imagine giving a fuck that someone is trans when quality of life is steadily heading into the toilet.
>>7791194>could get me another 1 day vacation.It would be well deserved. This is a thread focused on making manga. If you want to debate politics, there's hundreds of platforms online where you could express your political opinions. This is not one of those places.
>>7791194Yeah your right trump fucking sucks https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1988413738962112713?s=46&t=DaroQ-KND0SSTIj-2v_G_gWe need a populist leader left or right who actually cares about the people. Retarded identify politics about transgenderism doesnt matter. Anyway the immigrant thing isnt about hating immigrants, but just noticing the fact they are replacing us. Undeniably. 10 years ago the school i went to when i was a kid was 98% white, now its half white. At my work place all my millennial workmates are straight up happy with white replacement, they literally say its a good thing because of colonialism. Its pretty hard to not get radicalised by that.And yeah i sorta want to do a modern fantasy story about this, with orcs and other fantasy creatures in our society, but thatd be very hard and could turn out like Bright. Itd have to be objective and show the positives and negatives of both sides of the issue, and let people decide on their own what they think.
>>7791199Bro. Fuck off. Go vent your political frustration somewhere else.
>>7791199>Imagine giving a fuck that someone is trans when quality of life is steadily heading into the toilet.They try to get people to hate random minorities because that way they'll be too distracted to blame the actual culprits for the state of things. >>7791203They'll keep getting migrants from the third world because they'll work in slave conditions for dirt cheap. Companies do not give a fuck, they'll get their cheap slaves no matter the cost on culture and society.>And yeah i sorta want to do a modern fantasy story about this, with orcs and other fantasy creatures in our societyMaybe you could riff off of the fishman related arcs in one piece or something?
So........... ABOUT THOSE COMICS EVERYONE'S MAKING.......
>>7791202nta but ironically, the retard who bring up Jesus unsolicited doesn't get a vacay, instead he just gets them for other people. I would love to stay on topic, but it seems like a one way street
Why don't we do another collab instead of talking about politics.
>>7790779>In Weekly Shonen Jump by Shueisha, they run 20 or so manga concurrently, and they are rated 1 through 20 by popularity. If something falls to the bottom of the list, it gets cancelled and replaced with a new manga.No, that's not it, lol. They keep or can things based on sales, not the popularity rankings. Those rankings are just to help collect info. ie if something's books sell well but they rank poorly on the popularity polls, like JJBA did for a long time, it can help them determine if something is up, like the audience still being there buying the books, but that audience doesn't read the magazine anymore -- so it's time to move it to a magazine they might actually want to read.
>>7791264Popular things sell well.Unpopular things don't sell well.They correlate well, you're splitting hairs.
>>7791265I am not splitting hairs. My own editor has told me they don't put much stock in those popularity rankings. They're a way of collecting info and little else, the kind of person who even votes in those things is only a small part of the readership in the first place. The editors don't conflate "popularity" in the popularity polls as the same thing as "popularity" in the book orders. But you are.
>>7790636Anybody who makes a new account to hide their politics is a huge bitch. I follow Andrew Tate and I have a huge following. How can you expect to build an audience without staying true to your ideals?
>>7791273Your editor is just trying to make you not worry about getting a low rank, but the fact remains that manga that rank 15 and below are always on the chopping block, and manga above that are not.
>>7791277Based. If you're a cuck just be open about it. Never be less than your real self.
>>7791277What if you wanna lets say get published? It could be a huge deterrent for a career in art. Do we wanna not get a job cause some cuck who was gonna hire us, checks our twitter and sees we follow right wing extremist shoeonhead?
>>7791281>Your editor is just trying to make you not worry about getting a low rankWhen my editor told me that my manga was ranked 5 out of the 11 works polled and we were both surprised it ranked that highly. I am trying to tell you a fact and you're acting like you know better. A low "popularity" ranking on the polls does not mean a series is on the chopping block or JJBA would have been in seriously hot water, and it wasn't. It isn't an indicator of sales, and it's not treated as one either. Again, the kind of reader who votes in those polls are a fraction of the readership. And, you know, they're only the readership the MAGAZINE, and it's book sales that matter here.
>>7791291so what, stand up for what you believe in. don't be a cuck
A manga ranking in a magazine with the last one getting axed makes for a good story though, can you blame him for thinking that's how it's done?
>>7791321I love bakuman but I'm starting to think it's done a lot of damage to peoples perception of how the manga industry works.
>>7791326I often see it recommend in western manga making circles as mandatory reading if you want to be a mangaka, and I facepalm every time.
>>7790007In-case anyone here lives in Canada are there any places/colleges that can get you in-contact with Japanese artists or writers? It's a long-shot but since comics in the West are basically dead outside of superhero stuff it's the only thing I can see mattering.
>>7791331>get you in-contact with Japanese artists or writersEven if you were able to, why would they necessarily care about some westerner?
>>7791337Good social skills and ability to showcase your works in-person helps a lot with establishing connections. It's worth a shot if one exists.
>>7791331mate use the fucking internet.
>>7790007I'm proposing a collab where we add our protagonists or mascot characters to a 2 page spread. (with no particular theme in order to keep things simple.)My canvas is 12.00 x 9.50in Binding size: 11.00 x 8.50in 600dpi. This image is uncropped so you can create-new-from-clipboard and draw over it. I will edit together the final image. I will not add joke additions. I will complete my entry if we receive at least 3 others. (and I can make it smaller in the final edit if needed.)>>7791249good idea
>>7791321>>7791326>>7791329>"heh, my editor who is assigned to wrangle the foreign retards told me that actually my unpopular manga isn't shit because there exist some rare exceptions to the rule where an unpopular manga turned out to be a good seller so they didn't get cancelled even though everybody hated it, ugh I'm so much more smarter because I listen to some faceless translated emails"
>>7791368Great idea, ill add to it once theres a couple more just cause i dont think my characters are worthy to be front and centre
>>7791351I just did.
>>7791372I'll his word over yours.
>>7791368Well, okay. I was thinking another 4koma, but I guess the more the merrier.
>>7791372
>>7790705>>7790709>>7790715>>7790722NTA, but I learned so much from this.Thanks a lot.It's really helpful to get advices from actual professional.
>>7791370i like it!
>>7791264>They keep or can things based on sales, not the popularity rankingsHow about those U19-ed manga that got cancelled before the first volume was even released?Kaedegami was the recent example.
>>7791444Bookstores order books in advance, anon. The book might have gone on sale in November, but they'd know how many of the books the stores will have ordered by then.That said, I'd guess in this case it was probably multiple factors that lead to such an early cancellation, and the popularity ranking was likely one such factor. Still, this U19 cases are pretty extreme, they usually give the authors a chance to turn things around.
>>7791457>>7791444Jump is also unusually cutthroat because they can be.
>>7791503she looks cute, nice
>>7791134I'd make the left page deal with the action of the three small panels. Add a couple to fatten the action. The right page would be the split center panel. I'd blatantly omit the small panels on the right as the happening is over.
>>7790752Clear prompts and schedule. Ability to at least talk things through before being requested to make a major change in the serial. That's about it.
>>7791503Is that Alice?
>>7791435Thanks!
>>7791368Sweet idea, it'll be cool to see all the different styles standing next to eachother
>>7791129very good. I can now tell that both characters are female. Before I thought they were male.
How difficult is it to make money doing comics? I have had many financial difficulties and I have social phobia, I can't get a regular job, so I decided to dedicate myself to learning how to draw and make comics.
>>7791889You wont make any money. Even with 8 years of experience under my belt, my career is flopping. There is no place to sell work. There's no social media that promotes work. There's no audience for anything that isn't terrible corporate slop. Not even NSFW stuff sells right now. The only reason I'm doing art is because no one will hire me. Even then I only make about $600-$700 a month. and that's only because I started when it was easier to find an audience. I'm bleeding subscribers and followers everywhere. If you want to survive in this economy you have to be a crook capitalist grifter. consider learning how to ai generate youtube shorts, or how to rob peoples houses, you'll make more money. Don't listen to anyone saying art is profitable. it's a joke industry right now.>>7791583nice>>7791374looking forward to it.
>>7791889>Financial difficulties>Become a comic book artistanon...
>>7791897nta but as a third worlder even as little as 100 USD would do a ton for me lmao, can I see your work? If you make 600-700 then I think your stuff is worth studying.
>>7791915WELL, YOU WONT MAKE IT AS A COMIC CREATOR BUDDY. YOU'LL WORK FOR 2000 HOURS TO EARN 2 VIEWS + 200 PEOPLE SAYING "YEAH DUDE, LOOKS COOL ILL READ IT EVENTUALLY, ANYWHERE WHERES THAT NEW PORN COMIC BEING SOLD AT??" AND THEN YOU AGAIN GET TO TELL THEM "THEY ARENT BEING SOLD ANYWHERE. ITCH IO AND GUMROAD ARE GONE. IVE TOLD YOU THIS 5 TIMES." THEN THEY WONT JOIN YOUR PATREON TO SEE IT CAUSE THEY HAVE ZERO BRAIN. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE PORN MONEY GO STUDY FUCKING RIZ DRAWS OR SOMETHING AND THEN SHIT OUT A BUNHC OF CRAPPY PRINCESS PEACH SLOP. DRAW ROUGE THE BAT. DRAW FOTM. DRAW BI-FOCUED HYPER ASS LINE UPS OF ALL OF THE GUYS AND GIRLS FROM DEMON SLAYER AND GET 20000 LIKES. JUST DONT YOU DARE DRAW SOMETHING YOU WANT, OR PUT IN EFFORT OR NO ONE WILL CARE. OR GOD FORBID A DRAW FAT GIRL SO YOU ALSO GET "GROSS" TYPE COMMENTS.
>>7791924come on man let me see your stuff
>>7791929sure, while i'm at it here's a visual example of what I'm talking about. Take your time to let the reality sink in so you don't waste 8 years of your life like I did.DO NOT GET INTO ART FOR MONEY. YOU WILL FAIL, AND CRY AND CRASH OUT MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK. PERHAPS IN AN EMBARRASSING FASHION ON A PUBLIC ANIME WATCHER IMAGE BOARD.
>>7791583Good stuff! Pris is joining too, acting all tough and shit
>>7791947awesome drawing
>>7791897Don't go in it to make money. Illustrations are better but honestly art was never meant for money and always relied on one rich dude that liked your stuff enough. >>7791942I'll push back on this and say this is because you make gooner slop and those people don't care about plot. You need to find an audience that is usually quiet online. The most public you'll find them is in stuff like tabletop locations but even that is with an asterisk. You will not make it without heavy socializing.
>>7791942It could be that porn with zero investment required to enjoy has more mass appeal than an obscure comic that requires time and attention to appreciateIt could also be that your comic is just not good enough to overcome that
>>7791942I dont want to be mean but the top pic has way better anatomy, way better rendering, way better colors than the center one...as for the comic you should really ask yourself if the story of the comic is good or worth reading you know.ever hear of convict colosseum? literal pencil drawings made by a teenager that got hundreds of reader just because the fights are engaging
>>7791961Most of my frustration comes from said gooners claiming they're invested, when it's clear they aren't. It's better to have no audience that you can grow to find, than an audience that isn't invested in what you make but stick around anyway.>It could also be that your comic is just not good enough to overcome thatMaybe. but id rather someone just tell me it sucks than pretend they read it/like it just so they don't make me feel bad.
>>7791969Unfortunately nobody is going to do that on a platform with their name attached. That's what this place is forDouble unfortunately, this thread in particular has adopted the same attitude that criticizing anyone's work is now crabbing and mean and anyone doing it should be dogpiled and drowned out with those same fake-complimentary comments you're complaining about. You have to simply take your clues from the fact that your comic is getting no engagement to mean that it is not engaging.
>>7791942Holy hell maybe Jake was right about you.
>>7791942It be like that.FromSoft made 10 Soulslops and Elden Ring so that they could have the money to make what they really wanted: Armored Core. They had to make what sells first, then keep their passion project as just that without worrying about its "success".
>>7791963Picked the fuck up, first chapter was surprisingly good.
>>7791991What did jake say?
>>7791897>>7791899This is frustrating because I have no professional qualifications, no college degree, all I know is how to draw a little. I'm getting older and my parents are practically kicking me out of the house. I don't know what to do, man. Art seems like a distant dream, all I have left is to work as a waiter even though I have no social skills
>>7792026Maybe you should try working on your social skills instead of giving up and saying I have none.
>>7791989>You have to simply take your clues from the fact that your comic is getting no engagement to mean that it is not engaging.I suppose so. I've wanted to put dm on the backburner and try a new idea. my partner has been very slowly writing a new comic that i want to start NOW.>>7791991I mean jake isnt making shit up. I have a very contradictory idea of what I want out of my art right now, and its confusing to see for an outsider. I built my series around sexual themes and sex imagery at a time where I and the world as a whole valued that shit way more. (apparently zoomers really hate sex in their media now) and now I'm sorta reaping what I sowed from those choices and don't really like the outcome. I wish I could leave behind that stuff but it would mean contradicting 7 years of work. at that point making a new series would be better.>>7791998a youtuber I like talked about pre-souls fromsoft in an armored core series video as a studio that made a thing to justify making the next thing. hoping the next will make it all worth it and finally be THE ONE. and I feel very much like that kind of creator.>>7791963>>7792004yeah these compositions are exciting.>>7792026your social skills will get worse if you sit inside and draw. do something that will help you grow as a person. it'll be worth more.
>>7791942the drawing you did while enranged has your sexual frustration and rage baked in.
>>7792026If it makes you feel better college didn't really help me. Also for God's sakes develop social skills. Most of the good comic artists didn't start as artists because making good art requires you to know people and the outside world. All you do by purely focusing on art is developing good drawing skills and a massive ego which doesn't help you at all.
>>7792077Toriyama, the creator of the insanely popular Dragon Ball, was an engineer before doing any sort of work. My outside works have helped me way more than sitting all day ever could.
>>7791989>criticizing anyone's work is now crabbing and mean and anyone doing it should be dogpiledAbsolutely wrong. Go ahead and point to any valid critique that was dogpiled recently. Maybe people were just critiquing your shit critiques.
>>7792038As someone who's basically made their one thing their life, and being someone who also spent too much time around webcomic circles, I grew disgusted with a particular kind of person I can only call "hobbyfags". These are people who deflect criticism by trying to say "It's just my hobby" but also constantly bemoan the lack of attention given to them and their subpar creations. And eventually, I began to think that being up front about the desire for readers and engagement is nothing to be ashamed of. Anything posted online speaks truth to that.I think even for the most passionate, we must wish for people to read our stories and share their thoughts with us at least. We're entertainers. We all demacate somewhere between how valuable we think that engagement is, and the will to continue something. I'm curious about where you draw the line between these two things. Drawing and drawing and wishing and having expectations failed creates these wild fluctuations between how I feel about what i'm doing, and it is very hard. It's even harder to sort my feelings, should I feel proud that I can bear it over and over again and keep going forever, or should I be burdened with the shame for failing to achieve the success I also wish I had? Engagement, fans, or money? I can imagine it's painful for you too, but we diverge at the point that I refuse to drop my work for any reason, even to do something I know is more popular. It's a curse.Read Nikaido Hell Golf.
>>7792170Thanks for identifying yourself as part of the problem.
>>7792177>We all demacate somewhere between how valuable we think that engagement is, and the will to continue something. I'm curious about where you draw the line between these two things. I'm curious about where you draw the line between these two things. i mean you worded it perfectly right after. Drawing and drawing and wishing and having expectations failed creates these wild fluctuations between how I feel about what i'm doing>I can imagine it's painful for you too, but we diverge at the point that I refuse to drop my work for any reason, I don't think i'll ever actually drop this series even with all its failings. I've "dropped" it twice and still came back both times. I just know it would be easier to do that than create a whole new series.>even to do something I know is more popular. It's a curse.>Read Nikaido Hell Golf.OKAY BUT THE REASON I WANT TO MOVE ON FROM DEVILS MOON IS TO WORK ON MY PARTNERS FUKUMOTO INSPIRED GAME MANGA THAT HES WRITING. LIKE. I WANNA MAKE THAT SHIT.
>>7792185>still can't point out any evidenceYa sounds like I was right.
>>7792189You could always put devils moon on hold while you work on your partners thing. That could also give you time to iron out the writing for devils moon.
>>7791291Publishers don't care and imagine wanting to work for a company that will force you into drawing tranny shit for le good boy points.
>>7791897>>7791924>>7791942Now i know why God brought me to you. At first i hated gooner drawers, at first i viewed them as depraved and sadistic who get a kick out of ruining and perverting the creativity of others, and while i still believe those people do exist i now know that they are a minority.You, you poor soul, you're just like everyone else, trying to survive in this harsh and cruel world, frustrated that your passion is going unnoticed. I feel that i really do.And i admit, i too was once a porn addicted gooner, there was a time when i would have been just like that gooner audience who angers you, and me breaking free is just one of the many reasons why i thank Christ for saving me.And i want to thank you for changing my perspective on gooner artists, they are in need of help just like the rest of us. Every human on Earth is on equal ground and it'd be wise to help each other as a community, as a unified race, so no one has to resort to such cruel fates.
>>7792038>I mean jake isnt making shit up. I have a very contradictory idea of what I want out of my art right now, and its confusing to see for an outsider. I built my series around sexual themes and sex imagery at a time where I and the world as a whole valued that shit way more. (apparently zoomers really hate sex in their media now) and now I'm sorta reaping what I sowed from those choices and don't really like the outcome. I wish I could leave behind that stuff but it would mean contradicting 7 years of work. at that point making a new series would be better.If things are not so bitter between us anymore and you'd be fine with it then i would be willing to put Devil's Moon back on my list and give it a fair review, it'll just have to take a longer while do to it having to be put at the end of my list now.
is jake just koffee?
>>7792257betz
>>7792189>>7791942This is why you make a bunch of one shots first. Too many amateurs who have zero experience in any for of storytelling, and still need to thoroughly develop their manga-making skill, tie themselves up into a multi-year sometimes decade-long project which also hampers their ability to grow. If you make one shots, not only do you develop your storytelling skills more rapidly. Not only do you give yourself the freedom to pivot, drop, and revisit ideas as you like, but most importantly, you give the public digestible, short form content, that requires little investment, and they start to follow you based on your catalogue of work, rather than one single thing.
>>7792268I mostly worked on scripts for other people but I'm glad I did that before I started doing anything serious. My first one-shot makes ONE look like DaVinci.
>>7792257Who?
>>7792240You know I was in a very mentally bad place for even knowing this type of stuff but there are tiers of degeneracy. He's mostly into vanilla stuff which just means he is just too much into conventionally attractive things that he is missing the bigger picture. If you're into stuff like transformation or other things that truly morph the human figure or are around abusing the person you're attracted to those are the fully demon possessed.
>>7791022Oh no what is he going to do with that loli?
>>7792276
>>7792278Dude, check her website, what she makes is far from vanilla.
>>7792278>transformationHow demon possessed am i for wanting to fuck Judy Hopps
>>7792329Asking for a friend
>>7791947
>>7791368been awhile since I did anything on mmg, might join in for this.
>>7791942You're not even grateful for the people who have been supporting you through your begslop. Rope yourself kek
I'm making a manga about a man who has sex with a woman but then she accuses him of rape and is thrown in prison. Whil in prison he uncovers an underground feminist conspiracy to take over the world. He discovers that the prisons are milking the men to use their semen for reproduction and are forcing him to play death games so that they can farm only the finest semen. His goal is to make it to the top and take down the feminists when they least expect it. I'm inspired by deadman wonderland and mirai nikki, thoughts?
>>7792374This could work, so long as you tackle the politics with subtlety. If it's shoved the the readers throat, it doesn't matter whether it's right wing or left wing, that sort of thing is obnoxious and nobody likes it.The story as an interesting story must always come first before any themes
>>7792374Sounds funny, the hard part is the execution. Start drawing
>>7792374>I'm making a manga about a man who has sex with a woman but then she accuses him of rape and is thrown in prisonCool, there are definitely evil women who abuse our retarded system. My mums a cop and she has alot of stories about stuff like this happening with evil women or migrants abusing their privileges.> the restSounds insane, could be good if you execute it well, but in the real world its not women who are behind this stuff. Women are awesome, but theyre also more conformist and defenders of the status quo then men are. They’re only retarded feminists because of the men who changed the status quo. Alot of womens rigjt and race stuff, women were largely against, but it was men who put it through Am i saying its ((them)), maybe, could be other reasons, but our problems today arent by women
>>7792387>women are awesomejesus christ dude have some dignity
>>7792026are there any actual rape scenes? they help your readers be more engaged and I feel good seinen manga must have AT LEAST one rape scene per chapter. Doesn't matter who, someone must get raped
>>7792387How are you calling his story insane and then write your entire post?
>>7792374>thoughts?My thoughts are that you should get to work things than share your ideas online. Not because anyone will take them, but because psychologically, the attention and validation you get for your ideas becomes fulfilling enough that it stops you from working on anything.
>>7792391this fucking gooner is brain rotted
>>7792392Insane isnt an insult
>>7792391My fellow gobbro.Rape scene is the best.
>>7792268I have a lot of one shot ideas but never started one cause their plots are really complex. I can't just come up with something simple to save my life.>>7792333that would be great. i'm really happy with the submissions so far.
>>7792399I don't know if it's just me but I find rape scenes in non-eromanga way more titillating than in eromanga.
>>7792374Tonight's Episode: The Mangaka's Blatant Fetish
>>7792407tf is that? goblin slayer?
>>7792295The artist is 100% a male. Thank you for informing though I won't, I'm simply going by what was posted.
>>7792431Though he does get details like cellulite and belly pouches which is difficult for most men to include. Not impossible though.
>>7792431>The artist is 100% a malethis. laundrymom is just a name>>7792433>which is difficult for most men to include.???you just have to like those features, and draw them on the girls you draw. its not that deep.
>>7792440>you just have to like those features, and draw them on the girls you draw. its not that deep.It seems like it fits his type rather than a woman who is really detail orientated. I prefer it over how most Japanese draw women if I'm being honest.
>>7791368>>7791583>>7791947>>7792332... you guys actually draw this big? HOW???
Hey fellas, my book came out in print yesterday. First printing of 6000 copies. Apparently if 70% of those sell, it's a hit. Wish me luck!
>>7792268This advice always sounds good on the surface and i've heard it a lot, but after a lot of ruminating, I decided I don't like it. I've worked on my current series for a decade, not because I struggled against my own abilities, but because I didn't have enough time or energy to give to it. And additionally it was only through the experience of doing it and not something else, that I came up with new ideas for it and developed it. I think at the end of the day it matters more how much you love your thing, and if you love your thing you should always be trying to do it. Time is finite, energy is finite, and your body won't be in perfect condition all your years. There's more to be said about that, that most people can't afford career levels of dedication to such a demanding craft. I guess you just need to consider this sort of thing carefully and really know what is most important to you before deciding whether to do the MO or oneshot grind.
>>7791889Extremely difficult but if you dedicate yourself to it for a long time (think, bare minimum, half a decade) it is possible. It's a difficult field to succeed in with many filters, so there's a demand for the people who make it through those filters.>>7791998Bro the Souls games were the passion projects. They weren't exactly top sellers, ER is the only smash hit there.
>>7792529I wish you luck. I tried to buy your debut but you never posted it. I get it though
>>7792529Also, who did the color?not you I assume
>>7792529good luck bud! keep us posted
>>7792537I thought I did post it? Well, I meant to. Sorry dude.>>7792539Nah I didn't do the colors your see here. I did do a cover (same composition) but it didn't turn out very well so we just went with a third party colorist in the end. Don't know who, the publisher handled it.
anyone got any manga drawing streams/timelapses? With no jumpcuts or fastforwarding or anything, just raw footage of real mangaka at work.
>>7792268there are two kinds of manga artists, the one who makes their ultimate one piece/hunterxhunter/bleach/jjk clone manga and NOTHING else, and the one who makes one shots and multiple unfinished stories. Both paths are fine, but if we're talking strictly about getting better at drawing and making better comics, the guy making multiple one shots is getting better faster and with less effort. Draw what you want, but be prepared to accept that nobody cares about it, so make it worthwhile to YOU.
>>7792529huge energy! well done dingle, you deserve all the praise you recieve,post a purchase link if you got one,
>>7792578web.mujin-ti.net/comics/1026amazon.co.jp/dp/4867601470https://www.melonbooks.co.jp/detail/detail.php?product_id=3278773books.rakuten.co.jp/rb/18405090/
>>7791213Working at some pace. I think I have a grip on the holiday stuff. https://tapas.io/episode/3714061
>>7792529>First printing of 6000 copiesHow is porn manga market doing there?Is it as "dead" as porn anime or nukige?
>>7792529Neat.How does their royalty system work for both physical and digital sales?
>>7792600Not sure what you mean but my editor did mention that the print market was a lot bigger even just 10 years ago. Digital exists now, and IMO, given both the publisher and the author gets a bigger cut of digital, this isn't really a bad thing.>>779260310% of print sales and 25% of digital sales goes to the author. For print you're paid for the books printed (so I'm getting paid for those 6000 books no matter what), whereas digital it's only for the books sold. Not sure how discounts on digital stores factor into this, whether authors get the full store price or if the sale discount cuts into the royalties too.
finally dipped my toes into digital art, hows this master study looks? Proportions are off, but I think the inks ok for my first digital drawing (well I did some a few years ago, but quit and went back to trad after a couple ugly attempts)https://au.pinterest.com/pin/13862711339214188/Might try and do more studies of some other artists before drawing my own stuff, and then doing some one shots here. Main artist im studying is gibson, maybe a bit of Araki mixed in too
>>7792550>there are two kinds of manga artists, the one who makes their ultimate one piece/hunterxhunter/bleach/jjk clone manga and NOTHING else, and the one who makes one shots and multiple unfinished stories.Every single one of those manga artists grinded out one shots before they got serialized. No one is above the process.>>7792534You're trying to run a marathon while you've never run a single lap in your life. You don't have the slightest bit of experience in storytelling, nor do you know how to retain attention in short for week by week and these shortcomings are holding back your main series. There's a reason manga publishers have newcomers grind contests. It's part of the process of developing a rookie into a pro. It's hard work, yes, and that's why most people quit before they even get published.
>>7792611not him, but cant you learn fundamentals while making a big project? I just started making my manga, which should be 170-180 pages long, and I just figured that Id be more invested making something I care about, than making oneshots I dont care about. And logically getting experience in longer form story telling, as opposed to short one shots, might be better if you want to make longer stories. For manga artists its sorta differernt to us, because they have editors who have expiernece in making longer stories, while doing one shots may only give you experience on shorter stories. That can work if your doing an episodic series, probably not for an epic, or something complicated
>>7792611>Every single one of those manga artists grinded out one shots before they got serialized. No one is above the process.He's talking about the people who made low-effort copies, not the actual mangaka who made those series. Because not only did those mangaka make long-running series, and one-shots, but some of them (particularly Togashi and Kubo) actually made MULTIPLE long running series. Togashi even did it while falling apart at the seams.
>>7792614180 pages falls within one shot length.I'm mostly advising people do not attempt their multi-year series before they have any experience in storytelling, because it's pretty much guaranteed to suck.Note I'm not talking art.I'm talking about the ability to tell a GOOD story through panels on a page in a sequential format. That takes experience too.
>>7792614>not him, but cant you learn fundamentals while making a big project?The problem is more the planning, execution, and all the technical aspects of actually fulling fleshing out an entire long-running series, rather than just honing drawing skills. If you can't even finish a coherent, say, 20 page one shot in a timely manner or with a plan, then how will you ever finish a 20 volume series?
>>7792616I don't understand the point you or him are trying to make.Being a rookie with zero experience attempting a multi year series as your first manga is exactly what I'm advising you avoid doing.
>>7792620I think there are just multiple people in this conversation at this point, because the advice here >>7792534 seems to be (mostly) discouraging doing one shots and smaller projects, and that you should probably jump right into your big project.There are a heap of other problems that come with jumping straight into a large project that no one has even addressed, but building up an audience, a portfolio, and getting some actual, finished stories under your belt.Its more of a "this is the generalized road to success." Its just never advised--not just as an artist--but in nearly every facet of every type of job, or career, or anything, that you don't necessarily jump into a gigantic project right at the beginning. You work your way up to it.
>>7792332>>7791947>>7791583>>7791368
>>7791154>, its hard to readWatchmen literally uses the 9 panel grid which is the easiest way comics are read. In fact it was a conscious effort by Moore and Gibbons for that very same reason.
>>7792529Where to buy?
>>7792609I think you definitely should stick to traditional. It's more beneficial long run and is probably much more comfortable to you.
I feel stupid for panelling things out like a manga. This stuff is somewhat niche even in Japan and finding a Japanese person who both speaks English and is into this is a unicorn. In the West it's almost exclusively shonen for the normal ones, while the "intellectuals" are mostly just mentally stunted gooners who are completely unreliable as an audience. I really should've just stuck with panelling like every other country.
>>7792836You mean left to right?
>>7792755>>7792583
>>7792836>This stuff is somewhat niche even in JapanManga really isn't niche at all in japan.
>>7792836Frankly, whether it reads left to right, or right to left, makes only minor differences.The vast majority of comic/manga pages have more panels vertically than horizontally, and both systems involve reading from top to bottom anyway.Furthermore, it's common for the horizontal panels to not be perfectly alligned, but one slightly above the other (if not the boxes themselves, the drawings are) So it's obvious which order you're supposed to read them in.
>>7792838The least of my concerns. Panel layouts in Japan are significantly different than everywhere around the world. The trendy stuff is Korean style webcomics and most other countries are much more simply laid out i.e. >>7791134.
>>7792836If you mean more about the panelling than just the reading direction, than I'd argue that manga's panelling is far superior to western panelling purely on the basis that it isn't retarded artistic flexes, but rather grounded panelling focussed on the content of the story.
PAGE!this sequence could've used a few more panels, but i rushed it a bit
>>7792871
>>7792866>rather grounded panelling focussed on the content of the story.I've seen both styles be used for story heavy content. The main thing that matters is the reader's sensibilities. Different formatting would've definitely made me more in the norm for readers around the world, but maybe that's an advantage I can utilize.
>>7792873Panelling exists to guide the readers eye through the page. That is its sole purpose. Whenever panelling obstructs the reading experience in favour of some artsy geometric layout, it is bad.See pic related, the 4th panel here with the "I'm dead!" text.No matter how you arrange it, the timing is confusing. It's not clear it it happens immediately before the 5th panel, or whether it happens immediately after the 3rd panel. Or whether it occurs as a continous transition from 3rd through 4th to 5th.While part of this is caused by the drawings themselves, a great deal is caused by the panelling what has so obviously been designed not with the story in mind, but the abstract beauty of the panelling itself, to the detriment of what's in those panels.This 4th panel may well not be very important at all, but it has been given a place of honour by its panelling arrangement.
>>7792879By contrast, the panelling of this manga page (and this is really quite an old manga page to show that it really doesn't need to be all that sophisticated) Is simple and grounded.It's so grounded, that if I had not drawn your attention to it, you wouldn't have even noticed it at all. You would have just read the page, took in the story, and moved onto the next page. And this is the job of panelling. It is like a window into world of the story, and like any good window, it does its job best when you can't see it at all. We want to see what's in the window, not the window itself.Flashy artistic panelling may be impressive to look at, but like a drummer who tries to show off his drumming skills in the middle of the vocalist's solo, it's out of line. Panelling must always come second to the immersive experience of the story, and manga excels at this, while western comics all too often ruin their pages with artistic but ultimately distracting panelling layouts.Keep it grounded, guide the reader through the page, and do nothing more.
>>7792866this is really helpful, thanks.
>>7792879And while I don't mean to rag on western comics too much, I really want to drive home the point of the importance of immersion.The 4th panel in pic related is upside down.This is deliberate, it id obviously attempting to create a disorientated and vertigo inducing experience for the reader inline with what's happening in the story, however in reality, to read the panel you must flip the comic book upside down and in doing so you are taken out of the story and forcefully reminded that you are holding a physical comic book. It is like when you are watching a movie at a cinema and the staff accidentally turn the lights back in the middle of the movie. It takes you out of the action and ruins the experience. And if you cannot be immersed in what you are reading, then it impossible to have any suspension of disbelief that anything happening in your story is worth caring about. In the case of pic related, it ceases to be a story and just becomes a gimmicky toy.
>>7792733great additions! I'm finishing my entry now!>>7792871>>7792872I think ive said this before but i love this, reminds me of scud>>7792879I was thinking of this exact issue when I saw the chart with all the different western panels. hated reading this book. returned it immediately
>>7792879>>7792888Those are pretty weird and unusual cases. THe norm is something like >>7792871>>7792872 which is really good.
>>7791291it only really matters in the traditional gallery/museum scene where you have to suck a little jewish cock to get ahead, or in the self-publishing/indie space where cancel mobs are the norm (but those are fickle and if you don't live 24/7 online you're fine).a publisher is looking for someone who can make them money and isn't a liability, don't be a fag about it and when your private discord chat gets leaked just shrug.
>>7792904Even where the panelling is not outrageous, there is a widespread lack of appreciation in the west for panelling as a tool to guide the eye of the reader. When they're not creating geometrical masterpieces out of the panelling, they often skew the other way and pay no attention to it at all. They seem to think that the panels are just simple boxes to put drawings into and that the size and shape of those boxes is unimportant.By the simple fact of comics/manga being stories told through sequential images, there is a sense of timing, pacing, and even animation.The panelling carries a great deal of this weight. A larger panel stays on screen longer, a smaller panel for a shorter time. A long vertical panel often convey a panning up and down of the camera. Panels with assymetrical shapes convey a more hurried action.This is less of a comics vs manga cultural thing, and more simply that manga artists pay far more attention to the effects of panelling, their panels are well designed, whereas so many western comics are oblivious to the role that panels play in a comic, thinking them to be either toys to play with, or meaningless boxes to fill with drawings.
>>7792611It's improper to make judgements about a stranger's work and experience.>>7792616What I encourage is that if you are obsessed with your MO and it's driving you nuts, just work on it any way you can. Even my favorite author did that for herself, writing, developing her ideas. Making things. Logically what he's saying I have no issue with, but practically speaking it really depends on what you want and the resources available to you. If you do have the resources to hammer out one shots, do that!! I physically couldn't manage it across several years because I struggled too much balancing work and art. I barely made anything at all in that time anyway. My art completely plateaued. Then I drew the short straw with my health. You should ask yourself what is most important to you, and take the steps to accomplish that.
>>7792918It would seem like western comics not only treat every single page like it's its own complete little poster but every single panel at times, not so much guiding of the reader's eyes, yeah.
>>7792918> that manga artists pay far more attention to the effects of panelling, their panels are well designed, whereas so many western comics are oblivious to the role that panels play in a comicI can mostly agree to that. I suppose the fact that my panelling has any sort of meaning might be advantageous to me even if the layouts themselves are different and potentially jarring to foreign audiences.
>>7792918I think its up to editors to enforce better standards, and the editors are doing what the corporation tells them to do, so it'll never get better. Everyone's just following orders and the artist on the bottom can't just do whatever they want. There has to be some professional comic artists that love manga and were inspired enough by it that they took some of the paneling techniques, but then were told what they were drawing was too "weird" and "Wacky" so they were forced to go back to plain boxes with walls of text.
>>7791368I finished my entry and added it onto the existing entries. (with some cleanup needed.) I'm glad so many have participated already.if you want to add an entry feel free to use this version going forward!
>>7792928>What I encourage is that if you are obsessed with your MO and it's driving you nuts, just work on it any way you can.That's why I think it is perfectly fine/valid to do a one-shot that is just using your magnum opus's characters and world. Plenty of mangaka do a one shot, or a "pilot" story that they eventually turn into their full manga anyway. That's kind of what I do, just short stories involving the characters set within the larger world, but they're not necessarily beholden to the canon of the larger story. They're just short, self-contained min chapters.Also, I am really thinking that the one-shot path is predominantly the Japanese way of getting your work out there, so you can peddle self-contained, proof-of-concept pieces of your work. If you're just forging out on your own and uploading online, or self-publishing, it might not be super necessary, but you still might get people interested initially with smaller completed works.
>>7792981Everyone in this post is a cutie
Posting page>>7791368Is this black and white only? Or am I the only one who's doing a story in colour? I can draw an entry in black and white if it'll make for a more cohesive look
>>7793000I completely forgot that Western comics are also predominantly color. To be fair a lot of finalized manga pages are also in color. Honestly though unless if I go really soft watercolors I prefer black and white.
When I said doing oneshots is better than working on a single ultimate story, I meant in the context of getting more popular and getting better faster. If you have fun then that's all that matters at the end of the day, but realistically there's a very low chance you will "make it" with a single long running series that nobody reads for years. If your goal is to make something liked by people, you need to be realistic with yourself, that's all I'm sayin.The internet is full of burnt out amateur manga artists that have a mental breakdown when nobody reads their magnum opus they spent ten years on. These people don't draw anything BUT their fantasy story they hyperfocus on. That's not a bad thing in itself, but a lot of tehm had dreams of becoming a pro just off that series alone. And half of them aren't even getting better at art in the process.You need to have a plan for after your dreams get crushed, don't give up - reformat your goals.
>>7793005>You need to have a plan for after your dreams get crushed, don't give up - reformat your goals.Probably the most important plan is to actually develop friends instead of relying on the Internet to magically get you money. I have only a small list of friends but those small list of friends invested in me is more than I ever found online.
>>7793004I'm not a fan of most coloured manga pages, I think they have a tendency to look unfinished due to the amount of white.Plain white backgrounds look fine in regular black and white manga pages, but once you go for a coloured look, such a plain background looks like the artist hasn't finished colouring it in yet imo.
>>7793017the same chapter a few pages later but in black and white
>>7793000I would say keep it black and white.
>>7793000I know this is probably unfinished, but this does have the makings of a good silent comic. I remember being told to put more sound effects to help with readability and honestly it helps a lot with readability. Though I won't pretend there isn't also a charm to not having them.
>>7793017Using soft colors around certain areas is a good way to combine the two. I have no idea why I can't find anybody who does this anymore. Seems to be a dying art.
>>7793028This whole chase scene is sort of a bit of an exercise for me to get some practice drawing my comic and dial in the art style. I've deliberately chosen a story that takes place in the middle of the full story and is of little consequence because it allows me to work on the drawings without having to worry too much about the lore or writing much dialgoue.I did actually try to start with chapter 1 initially, but I found it difficult to juggle both writing and drawing at the same time.The plan is, if I get through this chase scene, I'll go back and start from chapter 1
>>7793040That's a smart thing to do if you're trying to practice drawing. I can't draw without a plot so I script everything no matter how small, but I can understand how that can make someone terrified to draw.
>>7792412>>7792407I think it might be aparida
>>7793047It also doesn't help that a chapter 1 is the most important chapter. It's so wound up in themes and foreshadowing, introductions, all while trying to keep the viewer excited. It's not an easy thing to tackle at all.
>>7792981>>7791368I don't know how to into compression>full reshttps://files.catbox.moe/nxkpa2.png
>>7793073>I don't know how to into compressionhttps://www.compress2go.com/
>>7793073i used https://compresspng.com/ on the original render so i could send it in full quality.I imagine us having to compress the image over and over might be a problem. I may have everyone send their entries individually.
>>7792801not him, but how is trad more beneficial in the long run? isnt it alot slower than digital art + you cant use shortcuts to speed up some parts
>>7793073>>7793100added my lil guy to the lower res image, hope that's OK
>>7793109>not him, but how is trad more beneficial in the long run?Looks much better for way less work once you really get into it. It's hard to explain until you draw traditionally consistently but line art and inking is significantly easier which is why animation studios still use it for the actual drawing.
>>7793116this is looking so cool now.
>>7793117definitely agree, its just that (no offence to the digital guys), its alot easier to make better looking digital drawings in the short run. 3d models for anatomy, ctrl z, and color, can make your work look a shit ton better than a trad artist at the same level. solution would probably be work trad, then go digital to fix mistakes
>>7793138> 3d models for anatomy, ctrl z, and color, can make your work look a shit ton better than a trad artist at the same level.Honestly I don't think so. I don't mean to make fun of anyone but you can tell people who do digital only and their lineart almost always looks extremely off. The "dirtiness" of traditional can oftentimes mask mistakes that you don't really get in digital.
>>7793138>3d models for anatomy, ctrl z, and color, can make your work look a shit ton better than a trad artist at the same levelIf you actually learn how to draw, you don't even need most of this stuff.
>>7793147To be fair, 3D model can be extremely helpful when you have to keep drawing detailed architecture like pic related every single page.
>>7792391>>7792399>>7792407Based. I like rape.
>>7793166For something really complex like that, it is understandable. Especially since I am sure it isn't something you're going to be drawing over and over. Probably once as an establishing shot or something.But if you're drawing comics regularly, you should probably just be learning how to draw people and various poses rather than just relying totally on 3D models.
>>7793116>>7793073this is the LOW res?!
>>7793166The mangas that just use an image and put the drawings on top look less jarring than the ones that attempt to trace an image like that but that's just my opinion.
>>7793166imo 3d models work best when its not a photo with a high fov. I try to to use pictures that look close enough to how our eyes would see something, unless I want an extreme fov.
>>7793299stuff like this i think look honestly pretty good, the backgrounds are very much not the focus if that makes sense. When its much bigger than its a problem,
>>7793005I agree, you have to decide at some point whether what you're doing is a vanity project, or if you're putting in your chips with trying to gather as much of a crowd as you can. Where people regularly stumble is wanting equal adoration and attention for their vanity projects that would be given to something a little more marketed. If your dream is to go pro, you'll have to do the latter to varying degrees, that's just how it is. I have a different story currently getting this treatment but i've shelved it despite good reception. When I was working on it spending enough time away from the vanity project it got that much more clear to me that even if I could chase getting published instead it's not what I want. Drawing manga is so challenging I can't just draw something I don't care that much about, much less make it my job so to hell with that honestly.>>7793109Working with traditional can help you avoid certain pitfalls by giving you physical rules, no zoom, finite pen widths, and limited space to draw in, and you get an eraser. Choice can be freeing, but it can also cause an extreme lack of direction. When you learn to make the most with what you have, you might even come out with something pretty unique to you.
>>7793109Trad is like driving with manual transmission while digital is automatic. Most things are the same but trad forces you to learn things like the lack of CTRL-Z and unintended smudging.Like how the stick fondling and clutch tapdance brings you closer to the "real" driving experience, fucking with real pens and real paper is closer to the "real" art experience. Then you learn how to tell people you sneezed and did totally not jack off.
>>7793789Digital has so many hard things about it that aren't in trad tho. You're basically sending requests through a sheet of ice covered in oil to your computer, hoping it creates lines where you want it to. Digital is more like playing a driving simulator and that can definitely be harder than real driving if the screen is too small, the wheel is too slippery and loose, the car you're using in the game has shit stats, etc.
>>7793791Well basically it just depends on what you're most comfortable with and what your situation allows you to do.
i want my comic to look like the original one punch man.anyways, anyone got an action, cyberpunk, and horror story?
>>7793116
>>7793887After it seems like it's completed, someone should add an Anon Jump logo onto it and make it look like one of these
>>7793832As in it has to have action, be cyberpunk, AND also be a horror story? Or you're interested in any of the three by itself?
>>7793941How is Jump doing? I have seen nothing but doom and gloom and i wanna know how true that is.Also what year is this one?
>>7794073What does this have to do with /mmg/?
>>7794076It's on par with the "art" posted here
>>7793005Yeah I found I wasnt getting better with my art when doing a "big" comic of mine. Really shoulda done oneshots before starting it, but now Im 70 pages into a 400 page long "graphic novel", with the art at the start being pretty bad, so whos gonna read it. I've slowed down alot to get better at art on the side, doing master studies for an hour or 2 everynight before allowing myself to draw, but I've learnt alot since I started making it, and I can see the start isnt great. Another issue with throwing a comic out in the wild, is yeah that nobodys gonna read it if you've got no audience. Im probably gonna start doing free drawing requests online once I've got my art more in order, and try and build an audience with fanart, and comic strips
>>7794083I was told early on that oneshots are what make things get serialized so I just always worked on oneshots while planning out the finer details if things get serialized.
>>7794083Are you posting your stuff on social media?
>>7794093nah i dont post anywhere online, just occasionally throw stuff on my Instagram cause my family wants to see what im doing. I know getting an audience online is extremely hard, but I figure making fanart and comic strips is good practice anyway, even if I dont get any followers. Think ill try and find a niche, and draw some little comics about fantasy girls in our world, as in elf gf, orc gf, centaur gf, etc>>7794092Yeah thats defintely how it works in getting serialized, but Im under no delusion Im gonna get serialized in Japan. Plan when I started, was make this graphic novel, post it online, and hope it gets popular enough to sell copies myself/ or get it published by publisher. When i started my current one, I didnt care if it failed, I just figured id do the opening, and if i didnt like it, move on and use it as practise, Ive gotten attached to it now though.
>>7794077Are we that progressive? Nice. Now my ex will take me back
>>7794110>Yeah thats defintely how it works in getting serialized, but Im under no delusion Im gonna get serialized in Japan.I'm pretty sure that's just a world phenomena. I'm very, very attached to one of my works as well, but the nice part about working on oneshots is that you have a vague idea of what you think might work so you can keep the concepts you're attached to brewing. Faltering at the middle is something I'm terrified and having time before anything gets serialized helps.
>>7794077So, completely off topic?>>7794127From what i have seen from the past few motnhs of researching, experiencing, supporting and overall soaking in and absorbing multiple 4chan projects on not just here but also /co/ and vidya boards i can safely say that, ironically enough, 4chan is the most woke and progressive website on the entire internet having the most diversity, modest female characters and POC i have ever seen from projects on a single website.If anti woke grifters on Twitter knew just less than 1% of what i know now they would be calling 4chan the most woke, DEI website on the entire internet and they would waste years of their lives complaining about it.And no, this is me being the most unironic i can possibly be, i am completely 100% serious.
>>7794279Shut up faggot I wasn't talking to you. You've been here for a few weeks, stop trying to pretend you know jack shit. Just mass report people and move on.
>>7794279based
>>7794293Even if i was only here for a few days that'd be enough for me to see how high in diversity 4chan projects are.And keep in mind i have never said that any of that is a bad thing, so why act like it's an insult?
>>7794293Multiple weeks is more than enough to learn just about everything this site has to offer lmao.
>>7794306name the regulars here and I will believe you
>>7794300Nta but my stuff is anything but diverse. Prey tell who's work you find to be progressive and diverse? I would love to know
>>7794279unironically, I love women, and want them to be happy. difference between here and twitter is that we know what women are. they dont see the difference between men and women
>>7794320I don't know your position but most people who claim to "love women" just love their bodies and nothing else. Women have a spiritual power that can achieve just about anything in this world if harnessed right but since women are pushed to see men as enemies or financial tools and are rewarded via simps women become stunted men with easy access to sexual attention instead.
>>7794322oh yeah, alot of women today suck, but Ive got a good family, just that our societys pretty corrupted. Women gravitate to the status quo, so while they may have been better in the 50s, theyre mostly annoying whores now. Thats because of the corruption of men and ((them))
>>7794329>but Ive got a good family, just that our societys pretty corrupted.Same. That's not to say that even the ones in my family aren't flawed but they act like women and have all the pros that come with being women. They push me to get married because they want me happy but they don't know that most women see husbands as ATM machines. It sucks that making fictional women (and men) is the closest thing I will have to fulfill my romantic itch.
I don't have anywhere else to post this.
>>7794337wheel of time sounds like temu game of thrones. Is it any good?
>>7794343 It's hard to recommend WoT because the first book is actually awful, the 2nd is fucking amazing, the 3rd passable and book four great. But those four are about as long as all of harry potter is and there's 15 WoT books in total. So I'd say be prepared to slog through the first book and if you don't feel it by the end of the 2nd one drop it. If ASOIAF is Grim Dark Seinen like Berserk, and Sanderson is MCU I'd put Wheel of Time as soft seinen (Haha I said the thing!) Martin and Jordan were also close friends in real life and Martin was inspired by Jordan who started writing WoT a few years before Martin Started Game of Thrones. It has a much more light classic fantasy happy tone with bits of horror and darkness dressed up behind innuendos. Like it's never said a character was raped but they're laying in a bed naked except for the covers, thinking their dirty and flinching when someone opens the door. The prose can be tough, very old school but not in a good way. Like Jordan flipped through a thesaurus and picked the most archaic word he could find to describe something at times. Overall I'd say it's world building and power system compared to eastern standards are pretty much akin to a good Isekai, under Mushoku Tensei and One Piece about Naruto level or maybe a bit more.
>>7794352>The prose can be tough, very old school but not in a good way. Like Jordan flipped through a thesaurus and picked the most archaic word he could find to describe something at times.I hate stuff like this. There are better ways to add flavor and vibe to your world beyond esoteric horseshit that makes consuming the story more tedious. It's like naming your characters or places Vrughltszah and Jthorlukael, as if the author spends more time thinking about things like this instead of important things like narrative flow, emotional beats, etc.
>>7794337If you're gonna be a right to left animu style, you have to do that with the text as well. If the boxes are right to left, but the action within the boxes are left to right, your reader is gonna get really confused.
>>7794385looks good so far
>>7794337>>7794352Just read Tolkien and disregard everyone else. Every other fantasy author is just a cheap imitation of what he did. Especially WoT and ASOIAF.
>>7794311If your work isn't diverse then i'm not talking it, but i would like to know what it is.To answer your question if you were to visit and look for the projects of /co/'s HYW or /vg/'s /agdg/ you'll see just how much of it stars strong independent women, feature POC, a mix of both or at least a modest female main character.I would love to make a list but right now i am tired and i would encourage anyone to check for themselves.Here's a list of HYW webcomics: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gKTxtkb8fs2EefVpwvye5PwRqGEc_KaSaOh6w_o03Uc/edit?gid=0#gid=0For video games i suggest going to /agdg/ on /vg/ and asking them for the Discord link.And this is all without mentioning how diverse the /co/ OCs are in Donut Steel threads.>>7794320In the eyes of God there is no difference as under God there is no man or woman, all is equal under The Lord.>>7794322>>7794331>>7794329This, for example, is the kind of bias against women that God doesn't want and he is unable to help those with such biased and blind mentalities.Unironically who hurt you guys?
>>7793887looking amazing so far
>>7794385I think it needs a smallish panel of the man grabbing his jacket and tugging on it. Doesn't need his face.
>If your work isn't diverse then i'm not talking it, but i would like to know what it is.>4chan is the most woke and progressive website on the entire internet>Even if i was only here for a few days that'd be enough for me to see how high in diversity 4chan projects are.Ok, now I'm convinced this person is a troll.
>>7794585He is 100% baiting, but its funny to see him try and keep it up when the contradictions stack up. I can see why /co/ kicked him over here. He can actually kill generals if people take him seriously
>>7794555I love good women I don't like bad women. I love good men and also don't like bad men. I am admittedly more empathetic towards men due to being one but It's quite simple.
>>7794840It is simple, never said it wasn't, but lets focus on that part about how you're a man so you empathize with men better.That's not what God wants people to see humanity as. We should not see each other as separate groups, we should see each other as humans first and foremost.Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.We must empathize with everyone equally, none of this special treatment based on biases. To do so causes division, and division s the opposite of what God wants.1 Corinthians 1:10: I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
>>7794279Whose comic here is woke or progressive?
>>7795078>That's not what God wants people to see humanity as. We should not see each other as separate groups, we should see each other as humans first and foremost.Men and women are distinct entities. Most religious views on romance see men and women as two parts that will re-emerge as one if they truly love each other in the afterlife. I'm less empathetic to women simply because I don't understand how or why women do things and whenever I handle women messing up like I would a man I get screwed over.
>>7795086Ironically the hyper sexual one is extremely progressive. Most people on 4chan are terminally online porn addicts so he's correct on that basis alone.
>>7795078Could you please repeat this in the form of a comic?
>flee the /co/ threads because of the namefag>he comes to the /ic/ thread.This dude is giving me schizophrenia it legits feels like I'm being chased lmao
>>7795106You can thank people who post in both /mmg/ and /hyw/. The retards just had to mention these threads over there, so now it has dragged all the fucktarded shitposters, no draws, trolls, and other dregs over into what used to be good, productive threads.
>>7794585What i said is true, if that person's work isn't diverse then it's not apart of the group of progressive 4chan projects i was talking about, but one work by one guy does not alter the high amount of progressive projects 4chan has. And i want to know what the guy's comic is because i would like to know how true his claim of not being diverse is. I'm not saying he's a liar, i'm saying he might not know how progressive his work may seem to others, especially the anti woke grifters.Yes, from all the 4chan projects i have seen 4chan is the most woke and progressive, and i never said that it was a bad thing.And yes, even if i was only around for a few days i would have found this out. I found most of the progressiveness on 4chan within just a few days. I even post a link to /co/ webcomics and directions to the /agdg/ Discord server for people to check it out themselves but apparently you guys can't be bothered to do any of the work yourselves. For one reason or another.>>7794676I have never contradicted myself, not even once, and you don't even try to back up that claim. And no, /co/ didn't "Kicked" me here, i was lead here by an Anon on HYW pointing me in the direction of LaundryMom's break down and i decided to stay for unrelated reasons. I am still very active on /co/.>>7795086Well from here specifically you can just look at the collaboration image here >>7793887 and you can see that most of people's comics here star women, a black guy, a fat guy, and only two white guys.The ratio in diversity on display here is pretty blatant.
>>7795095While you're right on the romance thing, it's more complicated than that, well, complicated might be the wrong word to use here, but it is rooted in things more deep than you may know. But even then what you said here does not go against what i said as even you admit that men are women are viewed equal and that's how they should be viewed, both 50% of a complete whole. That is how God views man and woman after all, ever since Adam and Eve.As for your own views on women, that seems like a personal issue of yours stemming by someone or multiple people who have hurt, or at least confused you causing some twisted view of what reality really is. No offense.>>7795101I hope you're not implying that you need a comic to understand God's truth.
>>7795114Well, these threads are still productive. It's not like anything has changed much since i got here.
>>7795114These threads are not productive or conducive to you selling anything. Don't fool yourself.
>>7795117>But even then what you said here does not go against what i said as even you admit that men are women are viewed equal and that's how they should be viewed, both 50% of a complete whole.Do you not believe bad women exist? I said I love women who are in tune with their own nature instead of cheapening themselves to just flesh or diet men. I also don't respect men who enable it. I never said anything about them being fundamentally inferior and honestly argued in what they were superior at.
>>7795117>I hope you're not implying that you need a comic to understand God's truth.It's a comic thread. I'm just trying to help you stay on topic.
>>7795151I never said bad women don't exist, i'm saying men and women should be treated equally.I also admire you for agree with everything else. But i'm going to need an explanation of what you mean by "diet men". I think i understand but at the same time there's multiple interpretations to it and i wanna know what page we're on here.
I love this thread full of dunning krugers
>>7795155OK, that's good. Although i have no idea how to put those scriptures into comic form. The only way i can think of is just drawing the apostle Paul with speech bubbles.
>>7795157>i'm saying men and women should be treated equally.Treat a woman like you would a man and they'll just either stop talking to you or get really pissy seemingly randomly. The only fake stuff about the tsundere is that it assumes the woman actually likes you.
>>7795171This is the kind of bias against women i was talking about. To try to spread such lies and accusations is more damaging to humanity than what any woman has done to you personally.I suggesting reading my post again and learn from the words of the apostle Paul: >>7795078
>>7795161Start a 4koma with Paul explaining this to a cute girl.
>>7795144Never said they were, retard, I said they were places for comic discussion, not roleplay theaters for some fake religious zealot, and redditers screaming about gooner slop because someone drew some cleavage.
Stop responding to him god damn. Yes that includes talking about him without replying. Ignoring means to fucking ignore.
>>7795196Well i'll make one of him explaining it to an Anon but it'll be a while. Maybe a few days, depends on when i finish my other work i promised to make honestly.
>>7795208I cant! It's like a study in schizophrenia.Even if he's trolling he just keeps sticking to the bit, and I cant help but be fascinated by the commitment. It's a trainwreck, and I cant look away. The good thing is, that the more he speaks, the the more people taking him in somewhat good faith will see the facade.
Might have drawn myself into a corner here, maybe someone has a idea, Above is first draft:I had the girl reenter her room to get changed while the guard is killed outside, but i've now drawn out the scene to have them walking the corridors of the castle, i'm still trying to reach the same goal of the guard getting killed but i'm struggling with that particular order of operations, I thought maybe they could both stop to look out of a window at the storm, and have him be pulled off screen, it feels clunky.I want a shot reverse shot of her looking away, him getting grabbed her looking back and hes all stabbed or whatever, then reaction shot extreme close up, maybe with a page turn between the fullshot of the assassin standing over the guard somewhere inbetween that.
>>7795228The more i speak the more people have been kind to me.Even you, despite your thoughts on me you still act as a friend more than a foe.
>>7795200> what used to be good, productive threads.I know you are illiterate but at least read your own posts.
>>7795193I'm sorry but just talk to women and you'll get what I mean immediately. There are even, shockingly, women on this site and they behave like 95% of other women. You cannot treat a woman like you would a man.
>>7795264this looks awesome but is beyond me, so good luck
Whats the name of this style of rendering and where could i watch videos to learn how to render like it
>>7795284At first I didnt like you because you were off topic and reporting people, but now Im totally fascinated with you. I hope you never leave. You're absolutely hilarious
>>7795264You could just redo the first? I don't see the issue. If you don't have the guard talking at the very same page this is even easier since you could just have it happen off-screen.
>>7795157>>7795296When I say diet men I mean women with 0 maternal instincts and women who actively suppress it in-order to try and be like men. They mostly end up emotionally stunted and are only successful in harming everyone around them.
>>7795296I have talked to a lot of women, some of my good friends are women, in fact some of the most respected creators on /co/ are women and even the male creators on /co/ and /agdg/ respect women and treat them equally and there has been absolutely no problems.You behavior is a clear sign that you're the problem here. You claim women don't like it when you treat them like a man but that's definitely because you don't even treat men with respect.I suggest reflecting on yourself and looking at your own actions and see how they harm others. If you're unwilling to do it yourself then show us how you treat people, both man and woman, so i can see your problems and point them out for myself.I hope you understand that i'm trying to help you become the best version of you that you can possibly be. >>7795300OK. I'm just doing what The Holy Spirit wants me to do and i am glad that it's bringing joy to others.
>>7795193No one hates women more, than other women. This has been a fact since the dawn of man.
>>7795315Odd. Being maternal is not necessarily needed for a woman to be a good woman. Virgins for example are valued by God and a woman can be good without being motherly.Also i question the implication that somehow this doesn't apply to men. There's a male version of maternal instincts, i don't know what it's called but i know it exists. But i am going to be generous and assume that you believe that men rejecting their version of such stuff is not OK too.
>>7795284The more you speak the more I feel like leaving this thread for good, honestly. Every conversation has to revolve around you and your preaching. You completely overshadow all discussion with your narcissism.
>>7795319Now you're just indulging in stereotypes. How did ya even come to such a conclusion?
>>7795330By being around and speaking to real women you internet addicted dumbass.
>>7795317>You claim women don't like it when you treat them like a man but that's definitely because you don't even treat men with respect.Most of my friends joke that I'm gay because I will scout endlessly for them and will always come to their defense unless they really, REALLY screw up. Society is prone to only focus on men's faults though so that almost never happens.>I hope you understand that i'm trying to help you become the best version of you that you can possibly be.You need experience first before you can fix others. That being said I treat people no differently than I do here. I think I'm being pretty nice to you and others all things considered but I'm a direct person because it's better to risk offending someone than it is to waste their time. Most men appreciate and talk to me because of it while it seems to make women angry.
>>7795328All i do is give advice on both creativity as well as share God's Truth.I'm not forcing anyone to make anything about me but because of this website's obsession and bias against those with a name/trip you people can't help yourselves but to shine a spotlight on people like us.I do not want you or anyone else to leave but i can't force anyone to stay. Do what you feel you must do but please keep in mind that we wish you the best and would hate to see you go.But if you must leave then just know that we all hope the best for you in your creativity, and since i can't speak for everyone with this next one, i'll just say that i hope that whatever happens to you in the future you will take it as an opportunity to at least learn more about Christ.I love you Anon, we all do. Be at peace our friend.
>>7795333You're participating in a debate in a manga drawing thread on a website made for Japanese cartoons. You shouldn't shoot such insults at me when we're in the same boat here.Not to mention that you're assumption that i don't interact with women myself is, just that, an assumption.>>7795341>Most of my friends joke that I'm gay because I will scout endlessly for them and will always come to their defense unless they really, REALLY screw up. Society is prone to only focus on men's faults though so that almost never happens.I'll be honest, i do not know how to properly respond to this.>You need experience first before you can fix others. That being said I treat people no differently than I do here. I think I'm being pretty nice to you and others all things considered but I'm a direct person because it's better to risk offending someone than it is to waste their time. Most men appreciate and talk to me because of it while it seems to make women angry.I do have experience, in fact everyone who's old enough to have a conversation has experience, it's all just different, no two people have the exact same experience and the two of us are no different.That's you're experience with men and women, while my experience is that i too am very blunt and direct yet that has gotten me hated on by both men and women alike, even people who i consider friends, while there are those who do value me and my friendship and who i am, both men and women alike.It sounds to me like you have been meeting with the wrong kind of women, or, perhaps, i assume most of those women are not in your friend group? Tell me, does this apply to women who are friends and family or is this referring to mostly strangers? This makes a big difference.
>>7795341raging homosexual
I figured out why I hate drawing. I have been using the biggest page size available in CSP. So much easier drawing on B6.
>>7795361>i too am very blunt and direct yet that has gotten me hated on by both men and women alike, even people who i consider friends,If I were to guess it's that you're extremely one note and can only see the world in a very narrow view. Proselytizing in general is seen as annoying because people have problems with their lives and unless you give solutions they aren't interested in adding more.>>7795367No to the raging part. Honestly I think women might not like the fact that I don't rage and am honestly pretty passive unless it's something I care about. There are people with much worse lives and I'm living in paradise in comparison so being mad at things happening to me is just a skill issue.
>>7795373Just draw traditionally and you'll find it much less annoying. Or at least don't depend on digital where things are prone to bugging and you have to stare at a screen all day.
Is it just me or has the entire anime fanbase become actual Niggers. I remember cons being exclusively white for most of the 00s and early 10s. Why the fuck do I get some yapping nig in my YT recommends spouting shit about the manga and anime industry, How the fuck has the weeb culture changed so fast
>>7795397Why not? Why does it matter
>>7795397It became more acceptable to be a nerd in black culture. Good for them.
>>7795397I don't see it that much, but I chalk it up more to anime and manga becoming way more casualized over the years. In fact it was always browns and mexicans who were the biggest proponents of shounen (which should explain a lot to you about how those fanbases have always been anyway) and that's why the glut of them who try their own hands at manga they are always DBZ/Narutoad/Bleach ripoffs.
>>7795397There are a lot of them, yeah.But I like anime niggers way more than the regular kind. They are less prone to violence, and we share some interests.If anime was popular in the 80s instead of Kung Fu movies, Wu-tang clan might have been the Jojo-Clan
>>7795373Even in trad, i hate working with b4 paper, a4 my stuff looks so much better, but if i wanna print it, i cant do that
>>7795361We're not in the same boat here. You and I are not the same. Fuck off.
>>7795397>>7795411I went to an anime convention here in hueland and it's just the same shit:50% pokemon 40%Naruto 10% the popular anime of the moment. They all so fucking shallow and everything is expensive. And basically everyone just keep with their group and there is zero interaction and even when you get one is just buzzwords. And since Netflix there are cosplays of their popular series and kpop.Was it always like this before the normies or it was always shit?
>>7795447Conventions were always to talk to the people at the booths and establish connections to help you get started yourself. If you never went for that you were never trying.
>>7790807Does Image not exist
Why does /r/mangamakers mog this place so hard? We only have one or two quality mangaka here.
>>7795467Does it?Looking through the subreddit, there's like 2-3 really skilled guys, and a bunch of dunning Krugers and complete newbies.Meanwhile, we have two published mangaka with Dingle and Alice-anon, and a handful of really skilled artists.Considering it's a subreddit with 13,000 subs, 534 contributors per week, and we're just a thread of like 50-100 people, I'd say we completely mog them. You also have to remember that Reddit bumps popular posts to the top. So if we had posts by our best guys constantly be at the top of the board, we'd likely give off a similar impression.
>>7795467why are you trying to bully us? who hurt you?
>>7795456I was just talking about my impression on otaku covention. Didnt like it
>>7795477>we have two published mangaka with Dingle and Alice-anonNTA, but they aren't published, they're featured
>>7795487Dingle is published afaik, and Alice-anon is on the verge of debut on a major Japanese magazine. Both are professionals and have constant back and forth with Japanese editors.I don't think that subreddit has a single person who even comes close to that. Meanwhile we have two.
Does anyone here want to make a oneshot around 30 pages with me? I need to work on my drawing skills and stop doodling floating heads all the time. I will do the art while you do the writing. I want to do the storyboarding/layout stuff though (with your feedback of course). my discord is schizoneet
>>7795497I'll contact you soon!
>>7795487>submitting work product to a magazine after you work with one of said magazine's editors to get something out that would also please the magazine's readership base>get paid for doing so>every copy of the magazine's newest edition will have your work in there>not publishedAnon, what?>and a handful of really skilled artistsPublished or soon-to-be-published anons aside, I wonder how our next tier of /mmg/ anons compare to theirs over there. I went to the subreddit and some of their better artists aren't TOO shabby either.
>>7795477I don't think Alice-anon is published yet.>>7795487Anon if their work is published (key word) in a magazine then they're by definition a published author. How could they possibly be "featured" without being "published"?
>>7795477Per captia yes we win.The fact we aren't on reddit though makes us all winner
>>7795510reddit is based tho
>>7792404In cases like that I would say write a simple one shot set in a complex world. Like the story would be accessible and relatively easy to follow, but the setting would feel alive and defined because in your mind you are writing this little snippet of life with the greater setting in mind to help shape it. It won't get everything across in one go but I think people would be able to feel that there's more to it.
>>7792614>oneshots I dont care about.You should care about them. Enough to make them good, but probably not enough to marry the idea. People think of ideas as a limited resource, but you should always be coming up with good ideas so none of them get stale.
>>7795477>13,000 subsDevils advocate: I wouldn't be surprised if 98% of them are just lurkers who are there just to have the subreddit somewhere vaguely in their feed, and that's being generous assuming they aren't bots. The problem with the way the chan boards are set up is we have no similar subscription system (not that I want one, mind you) - but it does make having an apples to apples analytics comparison kind of impossible to really do. Who knows how many lurkers we have in /mmg/? If nobody outside of the regulars post, it could be 10 extra lurking anons, it could be 10,000 for how little it matters.
>>7793166>you have toDon't most manga do like an establishing shot then only show bits and pieces of the bg close up as well as panels with no bg interspersed? Nobody's rawdogging themseleves putting a full-ass chapel every panel.
>>7795563Most people don't care at all at the writing department which is insane to me given that illustration and graphic design are things you can get into for arguably more money. Barely coherent action comics written on the fly is not going to work nowadays and I don't even understand how people can dedicate themselves that much to something they don't even value narratively.
>>7795078>christianity garbage American politics don't belong here.
>>7795571Fair enough, it does say "534" contributions per week or whatever.Which we could say that's the posts per week. If we compare it to this thread, then we could argue we're the same, but also, probably not, as like 50% of the posts the last few threads have been the christcuck tripfag and the people replying to him.So I'd say our population is still much smaller overall. The way Reddit is set up is like one person makes a post and some people reply. Here it's more like a room we all step into and sort of talk to each other. This sort of style lends itself more to many replies being by the same people, whereas reddit is moreso geared to more people making less posts. So though not to such a dramatic degree, I think still come out on top per Capita, with a lower population, but a higher average skill ceiling overall.
>>7795095>men and women as two parts that will re-emerge as one
>>7795589I think writing is much harder to get good at than art. Art is a skill you can develop through grinding hard and studying references, but writing well requires:>High IQ, life experience, being very well read and educated in literature, having empathy and the ability to project yourself into the heart and mind of other people, an understanding of Human psychology and motivations, being very knowledgeable on history, science, philosophy and other topics, and having the discipline and ability to shut off distractions so you can communicate with your inner mind and let creativity flow.And I think that the importance of life experience, cannot be understated. The more you've lived as a person, the better your writing will be.Not to mention just raw talent as well. Talent for dialogue, and prose, etc... a lot of these things are simply not things you can just get good at by writing more. U like art where you can always study and practice more.
>>7795120It's almost like that's a hint as to how pointless you being here is. >>7795171>works right to left better than left to rightPowerful.
>>7795603>I think writing is much harder to get good at than art.It is 100% harder than the drawing part. I simply don't get why you would dedicate yourself to something that isn't making you money and not trying your damn hardest. >And I think that the importance of life experience, cannot be understated. Might be the dealbreaker for most people here. My writing was pretty mediocre until I both got a job so I could understand people, and also out of a job so I had time to binge read religious and philosophical texts. The greats for even children comics were insanely well versed in these subjects but because these require in-depth analysis most people just don't recognize it and think you don't need it. Even goofy stuff like Dragon Ball works because Toriyama was both an engineer and read Journey to the West and chinese philosophy.
>>7795589In the case of one shots it's because anons are seeing it as a waste of time dedicated to fleshing out a story that won't go anywhere or be of value, just a throwaway effort. On the flipside, it helps round out a storyteller's perspective to work on new stories, it can be freeing to work on something other than your main story, and you can probably incorporate some of the one shot's material into your main work if you wanted.
>>7795613That's why people need to look outside of just manga as inspiration. A lot of the mangaka of the 80s and 90s were heavily inspired by things like stories and legends, movies, etc. Toriyama alone was inspired by Journey West, 70's kung-fu movies, American Sci-FI and horror movies (Alien, Terminator) and a number of other things. Mangaka a generation after him, like Oda, Kubo, etc. were heavily inspired by Toriyama, and they were able to build off him.But you reach a point where people are just copying people, who are copying people, who copied someone else, and you have a lot of manga that have Habsburgian inbreeding, where the same ideas and sources are just being cannibalized over and over, and no one is really looking outside of their little corner of things.
>>7795361>You're participating in a debate in a manga drawing thread on a website made for Japanese cartoons.Do are you but you shouldn't be. My boat actually creates and has a proper purpose here.>>7795397>picMe when a game prices itself over $59.99.
>>7795621>Mangaka a generation after him, like Oda, Kubo, etc. were heavily inspired by Toriyama, and they were able to build off him.That generation was also inspired by things other than him though. Oda fir example has been on record listing off his non-manga inspirations. Likewise with Kubo.
>>7795603>but writing well requires:female character: EHHHHHH!? BAKA!!! *slaps mc*main character: Someday, I'm gonna be the best whatever the story is about!rest of the cast: *gasps* He's using the super power technique! *lists off wiki bullshit about how it works*
>>7795621>That's why people need to look outside of just manga as inspiration.You mean like video games? Because I was thinking of soing a story where the main character is kind of a plain reader stand-in and he gets sent to a world that's sort of like a JRPG, complete with leveling mechanics and status screen menus, and also his party is comprised of beautiful women who are all in love with him.
>>7795618You're supposed to work on one shots based on your overarching ideas and see what concepts work for success and what doesn't. 99% of people overly attached to one project put too many fruits into one basked and distinguishing the ideas can help with the writing of your main project. You are correct but I can't believe people don't think like this.>>7795621>But you reach a point where people are just copying people, who are copying people, who copied someone else, and you have a lot of manga that have Habsburgian inbreedingAgreed. It's really hard for me to be invested in much of the works presented here because they can't describe the philosophy behind what they're working on at all because they didn't even think about it. The series that sell well at least initially have strongly fleshed characters that represent an aspect of reality that is enticing to readers.>>7795632>Likewise with Kubo.Kubo is the perfect examples of having a series that was filled with interesting characters and mythological and human psychology studies that tanked both in writing quality and in sales once it became a terrible rehash of late stage Dragon Ball Z.
>>7795647>Kubo is the perfect examples of having a series that was filled with interesting characters and mythological and human psychology studies that tanked both in writing quality and in sales once it became a terrible rehash of late stage Dragon Ball Z.But the best and most rich in lore abd writing part of Bleach was the final part, The Thousand Year Blood War.Even the parts people chide the most: Hueco Mundo and Fullbringer arcs were attempting to do a deeper explorations of character based themes, such as Ulquiorra, and the deconstruction of Ichigo's motivations. The problem with Bleach is that a deeper understanding needs you sit down with it and pay attention to the nuance, on a surface level it reads shallow, but when you put the pieces together and see the full picture, it's surprisingly deep and insightful, tackling themes of grief, death, reincarnation, etc... it just doesn't slap you across the face with those ideas. Obviously though, this isn't ideal for weekly reading, but the fact that he was able to pull it off deserves praise. If Kubo didn't care about the story like most people claim, then he wouldn't have written all those poems for each volume. I think a lot of Bleach is also much easier to grasp if you read it in Japanese, and have an instinct for Japanese preference for subtly and minimalism.Look, the proof of how little people understood Bleach couldn't be made more clear than the IchiRuki backlash. The fact that people never grasped she was a mother figure to Ichigo, and not a love interest, and that they never picked up on the fact that CLEARLY Orihime was set up to be his OTP (especially clear during the Fullbringer arc), just says it all. And that's just one of the most basic and surface level things Bleach was trying to communicate.
>>7795652>But the best and most rich in lore abd writing part of Bleach was the final part, The Thousand Year Blood War.The arc was mediocre and became terrible once Byakuya came back for no reason. All philosophy or deeper meanings went through the window when Yahweh just took the whole army and the power ups became bullshit. The only interesting aspect were the disconnection between body and spirit manifested through the shikais not revealing their names but that was barely explored.Kubo bit way more than he chewed and ending at Soul Society and getting rid of the dumb Aizen plot would've made it an extremely good and clear cut manga about the struggles an adolescent male faces and coming to terms with what he values the most.
>>7795477Top 5 anons vs Top 5 redditors.Winners get published.
>>7795673Heh, you made me use only 10% of my upvotes...
>>7795560This might sound a bit autistic but I've been playing Runescape for the first time this week and it's gotten my mind racing with adventure ideas. You're right about building a deep setting with little space. I respect Runescape having a lot of detail and density. I would love to try to compress a lot into a little like it does.
>>7795662>Kubo bit way more than he chewed and ending at Soul Society and getting rid of the dumb Aizen plot would've made it an extremely good and clear cut manga about the struggles an adolescent male faces and coming to terms with what he values the most.It's clear you never read the novels.
>>7795696I was thinking about Xenogears for different reasons but in that, the scale of the world's history is immense due to various aspects across 10,000 years continuing to remain relevant, but the characters are still written small and are still as affected by little moments as characters in a simpler story would be. Maybe it's something about how people don't change even if the world does.
>>7795652>>7795662Aside from the cool sword power system, waifus, and a handful of cool characters, Bleach is shit bros. One Piece is way better.
>>7795705And yet Bleach consistently remains the most influential manga of the big 3.
>>7795708Based on what metric?
>>7795708For style alone
>>7795700Are the novels closer to the Hollow investigation stuff at the beginning? That was the interesting part. Wouldn't shock me if the novels are better than the manga because mangas have terribly low standards. So much so that I genuinely think light novel slop is better than the stuff that's mainstream in manga nowadays.>>7795705The only interesting part was the initial characterization and the hollows. It lost what made it special very quickly.
>>7795708Absolutely wrong. OP is the best selling manga in history by far. The IP's collection of movies, games, and products completely dwarfs Bleach's. OP is so influential that its temu clone Fairy Tale drawn by Oda's former assistant is also popular and financially successful.
Any FKMT fans? How does squid game compare to Kaiji? I really loved Kaiji but have avoided SG so far because it feels like a normie branded ripoff
Hey guys. I'm making a gay retarded webcomic. What site should I upload to?
>>7795740Oh boy do I have the site for you
>>7795752Do tell.
>>7795731>Oda's former assistantHiro Mashima was never Oda's assistant. Why would you just make shit up like that?
>>7795714>Based on what metric?1) direct inspiration in concepts such as The Hashira in KnY.2) Callbacks and nods made to the manga in artwork or panels that directly references Bleach like in Gachiakuta 3) specific interviews or mentions where an author explicitly cited Bleach as an inspiration or influence on their work.That list includes but is not limited to:>Jujutsu Kaisen>Kimetsu no Yaiba>My Hero Academia >Black Clover>D.Gray Man>Soul Eater>Ao no Exorcist>Noragami>Owari no Seraph>Fire Force>Hell's Paradise >Kagurabachi >Gachiakuta >Chainsaw Man>Kyoukai no Rinne>Kekkaishi>Shaman King (2021 anime)>FandangoIf you disagree with any of these, tell me, and I'll cite exactly what the connection is.For example, you might say "well, MHA is Naruto" but Horikoshi is actually on record saying that Bleach is what motivated him to pursue manga during High School, and that he would draw characters wielding Zanpakuto style weapons.Or you might say "oh, Soul Eater and D.Gray Man don't count, to which I'll remind you that they debuted in 2004 and Bleach in 2001, and both have tons of obvious ideas inspired by Bleach.
>>7795770>Fandango Dandadan.Fuck autocorrect.
>>7795761Because he's a lying retard.
>>7795673We have 5 good anons here?
>>7795380You tell me that yet you're the one with the one note misogynistic narrow view. I'm better than that so i'm not saying that's true, i'm just pointing out your hypocrisy. Although your belief that women want ya raging for whatever reason doesn't help.>>7795436Never said we're the same, i'm saying you're no better what you're claiming me to be.>>7795592Religion is nothing political, especially Christianity, and it's not just for the United States it's for the entire world. To believe such a hting is blaspheme and will only turn your heart hard as stone causing such bitter harm for everyone around you and yourself.Please, abandon this toxic view on religion, especially Christianity, don't let politics control how you view the world, it's an unhealthy life to live and it will destroy you if you're unable to throw away such mentalities.Please, i warn you out of love and care, don't live your life looking through a political lens, it's deception. >>7795608Almost as if it's a hint to how harmless i really am.>>7795631We're all on the same boat. I'm a guest and you're a worker, yes, but we're still able to coexist here peacefully.
>>7795823Not anymore. The newfags are running off anyone good.
>>7795926>You tell me that yet you're the one with the one note misogynistic narrow view.Are you a woman in disguise or something? What on Earth did I say was misogynistic? That women and men behave differently? I don't hate anyone unless they would advocate for unironically murdering innocents or truly heinous stuff.>Although your belief that women want ya raging for whatever reason doesn't help.Women are interested in people holding passion towards them. I do not unless I know it will be reciprocated. I hold no interest in dating women so it doesn't make sense but I've learned one thing and that is women can only fake being stoic. Not saying that is good or a bad thing but they, as a vast majority, are not mechanistic like men.
STOP RESPONDING TO HIM YOU RETARDS
>>7795926If your goal is genuinely to help people and "guide them to the light of God" or whatever, like you say.... Then, you know there's an entire board dedicated to giving people life advice, right?>>>/adv/I have no idea what you're doing in a manga thread preaching your values and constantly going off topic. You're not wanted nor welcome here. Your posts are distracting and unhelpful. If you truly wish to help people, then you should go to /adv/ I'm sure they'll be happy to have you, and tripfags are generally more accepted than they are here.
>>7795770I don't believe all of those stuff but being the most influential isn't impressive when you realize all of what you mentioned suck.
>>7796070Bro, its literally a character he is playing. He's just one of those tired and true trolls feigning innocence behind a thin veneer of "trying to help." He consistently contradicts himself and can't even keep the character he is playing straight. Reminder that when he first came he someone told him to fuck off and take the trip off, and he said he wasn't going to since only one person was telling him to do so, and would only do it if multiple people told him. When more people told him to, he pivoted to the "I can't because god told me to be his messenger and wants everyone to see me" or whatever. He also said that god told him to amass a collection of video games at one point, and as we all know god's word directly tells people to amass physical, material, Earthly possessions.
>>7796097He doesn't even listen to his own alleged belief system regarding his Jesus-posting when multiple people don't want him to do so and to stop bothering everyone.https://biblehub.com/matthew/10-14.htm>If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.
>>7795966
>>7796070He is a bot. This tripfag is posting the same shit on many boards, disrupting all discussions and no janny will touch him.
>>7796113Mods are fucking useless.
>>7796113Bots can report other anons? What a brave new world.
>>7796125Chatbots are a little better now than you might recall>>7796097>>7796109They also tend to hallucinate and forget information after so many strings
>>7795397Anime has always had large portion of black and Latino anime fans as far back as the early 00s. You're just realizing it because they now make alot of videos that get high view counts and have bigger channels these days.
>>7795397I don't see what's the deal here. I've met a lot of black and latino nerds and as far as my own experience has been, they're chill enough and just want to enjoy whatever weeby thing it is they like.
>>7795411Shounens and Dragonballs in particular, are very much telenovelas. It just fits. Japs love baseball because it's pretty much Kabuki theater.Then Mexico is a bit of a special place as it was the first country to treat the japs with respect. Friendship has lasted over 400 years.
>>7796185>Japs love baseball because it's pretty much Kabuki theater.?????????????????????
>>7796185>Japs love baseball because it's pretty much Kabuki theater.What? Are you thinking of wrestling? Baseball is about the most no nonsense sport there is
>>7796109I'm not a Christian but randomly quoting Bible verses out of context is dumb.He's probably an Evangelical, he believes that everyone is doomed to Hell and spreading the word and attaching yourself to Jesus is the only way to be saved. Basically religious doomerism and probably the most 4chan religion around.
>>7795966Newfags aren't the problem.
>>7796206nta but I am a Christian and I've dealt with evangelicals, born agains, and some straight up people who substitute their mental illness with Christ.And none of them are this socially inept. At first I was worried because it was making even myself resent Christians like him, but as others have pointed out, the contradictions, the lack of apology when wrong, the mass reporting? It's trolling 100%. Anyway, at least he didn't post too much in this thread, just at the end
>>7796097>>7796109He already admitted in HYW that he's poor and bored and this is how he spends his time. He also refuses to make any art despite spending so much time in art threads because le gawd told him to.
>>7796188>>7796193So you've never watch ed a baseball anime
>>7796251>He already admitted in HYW that he's poor and bored and this is how he spends his time.This explains why I see him on so many different boards now.
>>7795477>RedditShouldn't even be discussed sorley from how lame they are. I cringe everytime I see one of those dogshit avatars.
>turn on tablet to draw, open music app for bgm>spend 2 hours browsing 4chan while listening to musicAnother productive day!
>>7796420https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUq0waTh9PwI bring you background drawing music.
>>7796428Nice, will check this out later
>>7796014I'm a man and i do apologize, "misogynistic" is the wrong word to use but i still do find you yourself to not be one to make such accusations.But i will say that although misogynist is not the right word the way you talk about women in your second paragraph reply with such bias and ignorance (Please, no offense.) just feels, off.>>7796070Ah yes, /adv/, i forgot about that one. Thank you Anon for reminding me.You are right, i shall go there in search of those in need.But with that being said, Christ can be shared anywhere.>>7796097I gotta point out the twisting of truth here. I never said that God told me to amass a collection of games, i said that God has been helping me gain games with His Blessing because i ask him for it.Ask God for gifts and he will provide, as long as there's nothing outright unholy about the games in question.The way you talk about the gifts i receive from God is a complete half truth, and half truths are deceptions.>>7796109You ignore the fact that /mmg/ is not a hivemind and different people here have different views.Who are you to decide something for everyone here? Even if one single person in /mmg/ is my friend, then why not stay for their sake?>>7796133AI is nothing to indulge in. It's soul destroying and not of God.>>7796250>the contradictionsNo one has pointed out any contradictions.>the lack of apology when wrongI've apologized the most out of anyone here and on other threads.>the mass reportingIf the jannies are deleting posts then that just means that everyone here is breaking the rules and they're actually doing something about it, something that unfortunately the jannies of other boards don't do.I would like to get in contact with one of these /ic/ jannies one day to have a nice conversation.
>>7796251Well actually i said that God doesn't want me sharing my own creativity, but The Holy Spirit does allow me to talk about what i have already shared prior to this as well as help others with their own creativity, both are something i have done.Also, i have drawn images, i made fanart for Devil's Moon. Want me to post them again?
>>7796476>Ask God for gifts and he will provideFunny, there's a lot of poor and starving people who might have a different opinion on that.
>>7796476>But with that being said, Christ can be shared anywhere.Yeah, we don't want you here. Go away.
>>7796480It's funny how after trying to clear up contradictions about yourself you go right back to contradicting yourself. Fun fact: god and the holy spirit are the same guy.
>>7796492In his defense, LDS and JW don't
>>7796505I've met one LDS my whole life. Would be cool if he was one I would have a lot of questions for some comic ideas I've been brewing.
>>7796482Well how many of them devote themselves to God? And what is God's plan for them and how will their situation apart of it?>>7796492I never said God and The Holy Spirit weren't the same guy, i just acknowledge that despite being the same they still have unique roles. That is not a contradiction in any way, neither is saying both of their names in one post.
>>7796544>actually it's their faultPlease never speak again.
>>7796505>>7796534My faith is more Ethiopian Christianity, it's not as well known but it's more different than one might think.>>7796550I never said it was their fault, i never even implied it and i have no idea how you came to such a conclusion. Please do not try to twist my words, especially in such a way.All i'm saying is that everything happens for a reason and i'm questioning what reason God has for allowing homeless people to be homeless.
>>7796569You're Ethiopian Orthodox? I thought they weren't big into conversions, though the doomer nature of Christianity is present in all of them that's one of the most esoteric versions and is more lenient on the afterlife.
>>7796569I'm questioning why your ass is sitting in a manga creating thread when all you do is preach shit nobody cares about while creating literally nothing of value
>>7796569Alright mate 10/10You had me halfway convinced for a second lmao
So are we just giving up and letting this place become the debate Jake general?
>>7796577I don't agree with them 100%, i don't agree with any of the Christian churches 100%, be it catholic, mormon, eastern orthodox, etc, but out of all of them, yes, Ethiopian Orthodox aligns with my faith the most. >>7796578Well it's not all i do. For the most part i discuss manga. I only mentioned scripture in a few posts. I don't know why you're so focused on those few examples when there's so much more to what i have been posting. >>7796581What? What's the problem here?
>>7796591just ignore
>>7796591I have filtered him but there are multiple fags now aping him apparentlyThis seems to be a concerted effort across the site
>>7796578Most of us here also create nothing of value and just circlejerking. I support this person purely because some people here really need a lesson in self-awareness.
>>7796592>fewBro it's like half your posts itt alone, if not more. You can't help but bring it up constantly. Guess my religion. You can't because it's not relevant and has nothing to do with the general.
>>7796591That's every thread he's in, yes. Just feel lucky he didn't make the OP like he did in HYW that one time.
>>7796592>I only mentioned scripture in a few postsScripture is meaningless without the church authority according to Orthodox and Catholics. Proselytizing using it is meaningless according to the faith you most align with, and is something I agree with them on.
To filter individual users. I have to download the extension or whatever, don't I?I use 4chan on my phone browser, and I don't intend to change my habits, but I'm also tired of this fucking idiot.
>>7796596If you create, you created something of value.>some people here really need a lesson in self-awareness.Yeah, this.>give the attention whore all the attention he could ever want>wait why won't he go away?Uh oh.
>>7796609>>7796595I wouldn't be surprised if the majority people replying to him are largely bots or whatever.
>>7796611No. Its in the site settings.
>>7796611Just ignore him, it's easy.
>>7796614>If you create, you created something of value.Value is something determined by the benefit it provides others. Most of us don't care at all about any sort of transcendence and do things just to make ourselves happy or material success. I prefer the Christian spergery over pure hedonism.>give the attention whore all the attention he could ever wantI just said I don't care about his existence. It's well deserved.
>>7796623Figured it out. You have to switch out of the mobile view to access the setting.Now if all the retards would stop replying to him.
>tfw no christian manga loving gf but instead we get this guy who doesn't even draw comicst-thanks God
>>7796631At least he has a positive and helpful attitude
>>7796631It's shocking to me that Trigun is the only Christian manga that got any sort of popularity. Maybe there are some hidden ones in Japan but it wouldn't shock me if Trigun was the only one.
>>7796595Heart to God I will ignore him completely in the next thread, it was just funny seeing him explain the larp here
>>7796598Well i'm sorry if i have been talking about it too much, it's important to stand with Jesus first and foremost, but i understand where you're coming from.>>7796610Well actually i'm more aligned with Ethiopian beliefs specifically, not orthodox or catholic, and even so i said i don't agree with any of them 100%, that church authority thing being something i highly disagree with.
>>7796632I agree fellow anon who also draws many comic. He is totally positive and has a helpful attitude. This whole board would be a much better place if we were all more like Jake. Would you mind posting your work, I would love to help give you some great advice
>>7796632Put your trip back on Jake.
>>7796634Bro? Your Evangelion?
>>7796659Evangelion is about as Christian as something like Blue Exorcist lol. It's not even properly gnostic.
>why arent there any good teenage boy fantasy fictions about the No Fun Allowed guilt trip doomsday death cult religion that you must pretend is happy and wholesomeHmm
>>7796642>Would you mind posting your workHuh? Well uh you see it's just um......g-god said I can't right now, and...
>>7796664Christian imagery can be used though. Imagine imagine Hellboy without that kind of stuff. Also christians make for good villains ironically enough. Someone saying "you will go to hell and burn eternally if you don't do what I tell you to" who also claims to be persecuted and compassionate would make up not only for a very hateable villain, but a very frustrating one too (if they lose they think they won anyway because muh persecution fetish). Come to think of it why hasnt anyone done this yet? I'm giving away the idea for free btw since I have zero interest in writing something with hero/villain dynamics.
>>7796672...You really have zero media experience ouside of Jumpslop
>>7796660It's probably as atheist as it gets, but it has enough christian iconography to turn heads.
>>7796675Oh no, I mean the part about the christian character being convinced that he won as he loses. I know everything else does happen very regularly.
>>7796672>Come to think of it why hasnt anyone done this yet?Because they don't want to get accused of antisemitism.
>>7796672Why are you so hateful towards Christians?
>>7796680That's for people against jews, not those against Christ. There's a difference as even the jews are against Christ.
>>7796664If you're on 4chan you probably are a doomer hedonist. Christianity exists because you people lack any self-awareness and are prone to following other doomsday cults. At least Christianity offers a sense of hope in people as much issues as I have in it and hope is what teenagers crave.
>>7796710M8 it was a fucking joke
>>7796680I miss when having balls was enough to get things sold. Anti-Judaism stuff seemed to stop by the late 2000s.
