Photobash and trace AI.

>>7902066
>fpbp
Thread.
Hell, you can just do straight up feed AI now with other artist's digital works.
The real litmus test now is doing actual traditional art, since digital artists are getting curbed stomped by AI and between photobashing, and tracing or just making AI, digital seems questionable.

>>7902063
>Learn To Be a Delusional Artist

isn't this what /ic/ ACTUALLY is in reality?

>>7902071
>digital artists are getting curbed stomped by AI and between photobashing, and tracing or just making AI, digital seems questionable.
AI made everything questionable. It's not like you can't trace AI with trad too. Just use the tools you feel comfortable with.

>>7902249
The only real way around this that I know is to reference something that exists and is verifiably not AI. Like a real life photo. And just copy it 1:1 traditionally.
It's really fucking boring but it eliminates every invisible part of the process that could possibly be AI.
I really want to know if there are other ways, though.
It can't be that those assholes drawing Morgan Freeman are the only winners in this. Fuck them.

>>7902063
shouldn't it be the same as for any career? Act like you're work is hot shit and that you're brilliant, until it's the truth. The phrase is usually about confidence, but it can also imply a certain element of 'manifestation', whereby your belief and acting upon that belief will make it into a reality.
Manifestation is kooky in a basic general sense, but it's also true that if you act like a professional, people will treat you like a professional, so while you're not really manifesting anything, you are putting dominoes in place that may well cause a chain reaction into making your dreams a reality.

>7902066
>7902071
>7902249
same fag, weak bait.

>>7902063
I don't need no advice from a degenerate piece of shit, that can't draw.
>>7902071
God of the gaps

Everyone can tell when you trace. Only nodraws think this is some kind of secret cheat code.

>>7902249
>AI made everything questionable.
Yes and no, I guess.
But.
If you've ever painted traditional before, that is just bullshit. Mainly because you have the actual original physical piece/copy there in front of you AND I would say it takes a lot more training to traditionally paint than to do so digitally.

>>7902274
>I would say it takes a lot more training to traditionally paint than to do so digitally.
Half agree with you here. I'd say the major major half of someone's ability to make good work in traditional mediums AND digital mediums simply come from someone's skill in draftsmanship. The other half comes from a person's knowledge in colour, compositional ability, and finally their skill in rendering in said medium.
You can make a great painting despite, being bad in the medium, if the 'drawing' is good. However, even if you're talented in the medium, if what you're painting is shit, the end result will be shit.

>>7902259
>a degenerate piece of shit
He's more like a reformed wildman. I've noticed a thread through his videos is that he subtly encourages people to find god.
>that can't draw.
He can draw, he just prefers to do all this pomo/experimental stuff because its what he likes. Getting paid for it too probably helps.

>>7902250
>I really want to know if there are other ways, though.
Kim Jung Gi
Just become a performer artist

>>7902274
>you have the actual original physical piece/copy there in front of you
And? Doesn't mean it can't be traced from AI. Trad artists trace all the time too.

>I would say it takes a lot more training to traditionally paint than to do so digitally.
I do both, and I disagree. Digital is just more convenient but not easier. You probably could say it's faster, and you have more room for mistakes, but it's not really easier. You just have all these convenient tools with digital, like super good mirroring, undo buttons, stabilizer, copy and pasting, resizing, zooming in and drawing super fine details, etc.

Doing it all traditionally is just a lot more work, but not really more difficult. You can do all these things with trad too, apart from the stabilizer. It just takes a lot more work.

>>7902339
I moved to trad from digital because trad is less work, less fiddly. Digital does allow lots of non-destructive editing and has no drying time which makes it ideal for production workflows, but from 0-to-finished and moving on to the next piece, I think trad is so much easier.

Boomer trad artists will probably call me whatever the artist equivalent of "coon" is for saying that though.

>>7902342
I mean, digital has the trap of being able to zoom in a lot, and always being able to undo shit, which means you easilly can get lost in the work and add more and more shit. However, that doesn't really make digital slower.

I mean you even can easily add contrast with digital. Just do 2 or 3 mouse clicks and you can add contrast to the picture which would take you hours to do in trad.

>>7902351
I just personally find digital to be rather clunky. I never was good at memorizing hotkeys and the level of precise control is honestly too much at times. Feels very clunky vs just adjusting my pencil or brush or marker angle on the fly, and there's a distinct lack of feedback compared to trad tools that my brain struggles with. I do use the whole-image editing tools pretty frequently to adjust my scans though. So I'm not "purely trad". Actually, I usually tell people that I use traditional media to make digital images, as its the most accurate in my view.

>>7902378
Trad is more intuitive you could say, yes, but it's definitely not faster. What I just hate about digital is when my computer struggles to keep up, but that's just my computer.

I will always prefer trad tho. I grew up with trad, and I also find it more fun to do and think it looks more interesting. Digital still has nice tools tho which I still use. It's very good to fix sketches or to enhance them.

>>7902249
People photo bashing and using ai aren’t going to trace traditionally, it’s too much time and effort and requires multiple trad skills to make it look good even for just a trace. These people are scammers looking for a quick buck, at most they will print out ai and bring it to art competitions.

>NOOO YOU CANT USE THE TOOLS
So you'll cry about people tracing/bashing photos too right? And digital tools in general? And lightboxes?

The fact is the people using these tools don't care. They're already getting away with it and there's nothing you can do. Building thick portfolios, churning out quick commissions, building large social media followings, all while dinosaurs cries impotently about how you're not allowed to do that, as more and more people do it. Adapt or die

>>7902063
don't try and fake it, or the muses will strike you down.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg

>>7902524
Honestly, yea.
The tools and methods don't really matter. Slop is a state of mind in your approach to art.

>>7902508
>People photo bashing and using ai aren’t going to trace traditionally
But that's what many trad artists actually do. They prepare a small drawing or sketch, then blow it up, and then trace it onto the canvas. That's literally the best way how to paint on bigger canvases in trad. And if you want to do it in a realistic style, you need to use references.

>>7902790
Exactly, what I’m saying is that it won’t matter. I doubt anything interesting will come out of that beyond painting that are relegated to the same view as that “hyperrealistic art,” or street hustle art, it won’t go down as a great work so the people making it will just look to peddle them for a bit then go back to their life, a new “skill” they learned. If you have that much knowledge about painting and hustling, then you would simply do art hustles that have been around for ages, not a clunky ai driven one. You are vastly overestimating generative ai as a physical product, at best it would be another tool in an oversaturated “industry.”

>>7902799
>You are vastly overestimating generative ai as a physical product, at best it would be another tool in an oversaturated “industry.”
I mean it's basically like photos. When photography was invented, artists back then also lost jobs in advertisment and shit. Now you just can basically create your own photos with the click of a button, or even create your "own" artstyle with the click of a button. Instead of just tracing photos (which is many artists do, even manga artists do it), or tracing 3d models, artists now can trace AI too. However, many artists also chose not to trace anything, because it takes too much time to search for the right references.

I try to not really think about this and just do what I enjoy. Sometimes I use references, but I always start with a sketch from imagination. I don't even know how to use AI properly. When I tried to use it, only weird crap came out of it.

>>7902063
Trace Ai
/thread

>>7902263
I'd like to believe that but that's just not true

>>7902263
Literally everyone traces you retard do you even understand what is ink lineart?