Was he the greatest underground comic book artist of all time?
to me he was a person without filter and didnt give a shit if what he draw was weird or dumb, some of his works are just vomit on paper, the others thoughthose were legendary
>>7913503>the greatest underground comic book artistThat certainly would be some Japanese person, not this guy. He is the Billy Mitchell of comics. Just a random guy who gets overhyped as "the best ever" simply because he is american, and americans are self-centered narcissists
>>7913506i disagree, he had the balls to show the public his vision even if it was sexual or overly race related, didnt sell out to compromise and stayed underground to not be censored even though i respect mangakas none of them really break boundaries unless they are miuru or toriyama
>>7913506wasn't billy mitchell a fraud that cheated and lied his way into the gaming industry? lol
>>7913503Yes.
>>7913503He's the only American dude I know that drew purely using Rotring technical pens, or Staedtler. His contemporaries insisted in brushes, the Japanese at the time trained on calligraphy nibs.yeah more /ic/ bros could definitely carry that crumb torch of technical pens
>>7913551We have boundaries regarding drawings, please clap>>7913563I fucking hate technical pens
>>7913503>Dude, I made a comic about sex, like cum, like cumming on women, haha. I also say something about the races, like jews or blacks or something. Sooo transgressive, right?>Dude, this is a diary comic too, haha, I'm soooo fucked up, right?Eh. I don't hate the guy, but I never liked his art.I also find a lot of the 'comix' scene, crumb included, to be pretentious, repetitive, and annoying.I quite like Clowes, if he can be considered part of the scene, but he also often falls into the same cliche traps of socially awkward protags and 'lol sex' writing.
>>7913576OP here, yea i wont sugarcoat it you are kinda right about the sex and race stuff but i think its important to factor the time his work came out and you gotta admit the style is interesting compared to other comics released back thenhim being a little goy pervert plus his interesting hatching really made his works stand out
>>7913551>even though i respect mangakas none of them really break boundaries unless they are miuru or toriyamaneither of those authors broke boundaries at all. and they're not underground authors like crumb. there's plenty of underground magazines in japan with actual boundary pushers but for obvious reasons they dont make it overseas very often, or even online.>>7913576bro it was the fucking 60s and 70s. dudesexlol absolutely was novel counterculture. it's only because of stuff like crumb's that imitators made it tired.
>>7913600i personally dont know any japanese underground author like crumb, tell me the ones you. know i like to look em up and maybe see their style
>>7913594>>7913600Americans will never understand just how much their culture has been raped by the comics code authority
>>7913605the famous eroguro authors come to mind, but i think that's only really known overseas because of the shock/taboo curiosity aspect.couldn't remember names so i googled it and came up with:Suehiro MaruoShintaro KagoToshio Maedaobviously there's bound to be many more, and not just eroguro. but, as i already mentioned, basically none of it makes it overseas. because it's, y'know, underground.
>>7913594>you gotta admit the style is interesting compared to other comics Like I said, I just don't like his work. There's something about it that personally just falls flat.No hate to the guy, he's just not for me, visually or literary.>>7913600>bro it was the fucking 60s and 70s. dudesexlol absolutely was novel counterculture. it's only because of stuff like crumb's that imitators made it tired.You're right, but there's something about comix's writing that feels exceptionally hollow without the novelty of being "fresh & new", compared to other works with many imitators.I also think it just wore out its welcome far quicker than it should have, given the abundance of 'Jizz Comics'-likes in such a short time.I'm sure there were plenty of none 'dudesexlol' underground comix at the time, but they were seemingly ignored in favour of the novelty.So yeah, I'm not looking at it in its historical context, but even if I do, it seems it was pretty overdone.
>>7913503undeground comix is probably something could excel at. Since it's only requirement is getting shit done before deadline.Like /ic/ could compile shit drawn by anons into some A4 size canvas, compile it every month. Then release it to PDF piracy sites just to get it to the other pirates that will hopefully used by random people
>>7913503its vaughn bode, but nobody cares about vaughn bode
>>7913576honestly the majority of western art after ww2 is just that>WAOW he drew a penis, how avant-gardepaving the way for the big opium war that was porn I'm sureI unironically believe everything after ww2 was astroturfed to fuck and the whole population got slow-boil mkultra'd
>>7913920Ehhh his stuff really looks like if someone was somehow horny for both Precious Moments figures and the Fraggle Rock puppets... not too surprising people don't fuck with it
>>7914155The history is that in ww2 all the americans died and their women became single mother whores who couldn't parent their retard mutt sons and then the jews and communists blamed the muttlets' behavior on comic books and made it so that only superman could be sold and only if the women look like men and superman always wins and batman doesn't kill
>>7913920Vaughn Bode is one of my biggest influences. A window into another world fully realized.
>>7913563Ethan Van Sciver uses Staedler. So does Robert Marzullo.
>>7913576>>7913594Considering prudism has been in fashion since 2015 I'd say it's still necessary. The sex and race stuff is funny. Even funnier when you know he's a lefty. And other lefties hate it for racism and sexism.
>>7914387>Considering prudism has been in fashion since 2015 I'd say it's still necessary. You're both right an wrong. I have been seeing s resurgence in more prudish attitudes as of late, but let's be honest, it's still waaay in the minority. Just look at this board, half the people here's biggest influences are porn artists, and porn artists are some of the most celebrated on the internet, and it isn't just because they're drawing porn.For better or for ill, pornography and sex is mainstream and totally accepted by the majority of the public, and >The sex and race stuff is funny.I'll just disagree here. It just makes me roll my eyes. It feels played out, and I'm honestly sick to death of hearing Americans talk about race stuff; past or present.>>7913920I like Vaughn Bode Visually, but he also falls into the 'dudesexlmoa' camp.
>>7913594>>7913605Well, the underground guys do/did, which is partly why they responded the way they did. All of them were fans of EC Comics, who were genuinely pushing the artistic progress of comics into an art form until the Comics Code cut the legs out from under them, that's a huge reason why all the undergrounds were about pushing cultural and social boundaries, it was a reaction to the comics industry being emotionally stunted by the Comics Code and the 50's senate hearings killing the natural progress of the art form.
>>7913605Garo Magazine was basically the hub of underground manga from the 60's to the 90's, then it became AX Magazine. Anybody published or featured in Garo is the equivalent of Robert Crumb and the U.S. underground scene. Yoshiharu Tsuge is the king of underground manga, and he has quite a few books published in English now, including his seminal "Screw Style" aka "Nejishiki". Also look up Yoshihiro Tatsumi, Hanawa Kazuichi, Sasaki Maki, King Terry, Seiichi Hayashi, and Tadao Tsuge (Yoshiharu's younger brother). All of these artists I've mentioned are now available in English, most alternative Gekiga manga has been getting translated and published in English the last decade.The closest manga artist to Crumb's style is probably ManGataro, though his style is more absurdist and grotesque and less overtly sexual than Crumb, but he also likes the obsessive cross-hatching and details like Crumb.
>>7914439Meant to reply to >>7913606 I've had a few drinks
>>7914427Bode's stuff is fun, visually, but it never goes anywhere. It's all cheap gags and sexy girls with no actual depth or story. The visual impact of his work is great, but it's very shallow from a story level.
>>7913563>He's the only American dude I know that drew purely using Rotring technical pens, or Staedtler.He now uses Koh-I-Noor Rapidograph 0/.35, this is mentioned in Dan Nadel's recent biography about Crumb.
>>7913551>words words words dude why didn't he just write a fucking novel at this point
>>7914451Because of the pictures next to it.>meanwhile on /lit/>doodles doodles doodles>dude why didn't he just draw a fucking comic at this point
>>7913503well known != greatestdid he even have a single good comic?
>>7914443That's a very Toriyama looking bike design. I dig it.>>7914460People raved about Fritz the Cat, which became a more well known movie.There's also his adaption of the bible, which some cite as one of the greatest comics made.Haven't read either, so I can't give a personal opinion.
i preferred is earlier work before it became extremely repetitive and ugly looking. His earlier work honestly was super soulful. Even though he hates it my favourite work of his was the big yum yum book. Also he is pretty old now, do you think he'll croak this year? >>7914213same here, the pop looking visuals blow me away. I tried to replicate in some ways but I didn't have the same skill to make it as amazing >>7914427>I like Vaughn Bode Visually, but he also falls into the 'dudesexlmoa' camp.like all comix people there will be a little bit of sex humour (which doesn't bother me too much since i like the girl designs) He also does scifi and fantasy comics, he is like if david bowie made comics instead of music>>7914443love the artwork here. Did you read any of his comics? its not always gags but i do agree it mostly os that. Imagine if he did some actual long stories, wouldnt that be great >>7914469fritz is actually kinda good unlike his comics now (which are ugly and stupid.) >>7914155Before ww2 there were artists like winsor mccay, George Herriman, walt kelly, carl barks ect
>>7914469crumb hated the movie ircc kek
>>7914480*he hated it so much he killed off the character
>>7914480bakshi wasn't that good anyway
>>7914484I can't think of a more suitable director for underground comix though.
>>7913503I liked his early artstyle way more all across the board, still had that free flowing slightly shaky linework that I love about him but there was still a self-evident level of control and a lack of pretension, his really late works are just downright fuckin ugly lolwhy are western artists so consistently conducive to shittifying their styles the older they get
>>7914542like just look at this, look how simple yet elegant the simplification is on that left page
>>7914543I'd read a thousand manga issues drawn in the style on the right
>>7914544and compare that to some of his most recent work rofl
>>7914547forgot to attach
>>7914548The overworked look kinda works for that particular image's topic though, but I agree overall.I particularly like the drawing on the right of >>7914543, she's a beatnik babe.
>>7914542have you checked out the big yum yum book before? that shit was soulful
Robert Crumb has got to have the worst art style I know.His characters look ugly, smelly and covered in house dust.Beyond the art you have someone who makes himself look pathetic every chance he gets and is way too outspoken about his sexual fantasies. At some point bluntness about fetishes becomes insufferable. Think of Tarantino who puts feet in every movie.I think as artists we all strive to create something beautiful. It's fun to draw something ugly every once in a while but I've never seen anything from Crumb that wasn't hideous. Hell, I'd even respect that consistency but unfortunately it always looks shit.I have no idea how you people keep glazing him. I find nothing I like here.I'm serious. I'm at a loss. I cannot comprehend how anyone could possibly be attracted to this. I consider this a bait thread. Shit art, obnoxious personality, no cultural impact.to answer your question: no.
>>7914663Hi, Robert. What's up?
>>7913920>>7914443it looks like an evolutionary offshoot of anime
>>7915175he probably liked astroboy or something
>>7915175>>7915223There were artists who drew in a way that seems very 'anime' yonks ago... not to dismiss the possible astroboy influence though.
>>7915175>>7915223>>7915260The original anime look came from Ozamu Tezuka trying to copy classic American cartoons and funny pages
>>7915175You mean american cartoons. Big expressive eyes = american.
>>7913503when he published that comic "a world without jews" or something, all of his "free speech artist" friends in America like Art Spiegelman attempted to ostracise him and blacklist him from all publishers, for that, he's eternally based, he also has a unique style.
>>7914427this site and the internet in general has seen a vast uptick in zoomer "born agains" who are by nature, prudes, I think you'd have to be blind. Even Catholics I have spoken to seem to wince at a lot of raw, earthy art.
>>7914663>I think as artists we all strive to create something beautiful. good luck with that commie
>>7915260I can't help but feel the shift towards anime in terms of popularity was kinda self-inflicted on the west in some ways.>Back in the 80's, episodes outsourced to Japan from western cartoons were among the best looking ones visually.>Aside from Speed Racer, Gatchaman, Dragonball, and Sailor Moon, anime like Macross, Fist of the North Star, Record of Lodoss War, Vampire Hunter D, and Dominion Tank Police all began scratching itches a good chunk of people weren't getting from western animated shows anymore.>As cool as those 90's DC and Marvel shows were, it sucks that they never got proper teen/mature animated series on American TV the way that teen and mature manga were adapted into teen and mature anime on Japanese TV. >The animation age ghetto, TV watchdog groups, and S&P mandates were alive and well in the 80's and 90's, limiting what most animated TV shows could do in the west compared to what anime was doing in Japan around the same time.>In the 2010's, shorts programs from CN and Nick and wanting cheaper and quicker animation pigeonholed so many recent 2D shows and pilots into having gross and/or simple low effort art styles, further driving people toward anime.Say what you will about shonenslop and stuff like Frieren, but those look cool to watch compared to some random Terminator and Skull Island animated series and shows like Vox Machina, Steven Universe, Craig of the Creek, Fionna and Cake, and Cupcake & Dino.
>>7915851I agree 100%.In terms of aesthetics, the average anime easily mogs ANY Western show today.Yes, the animation is more fluid. But is that really worth it when all the characters look simplified into oblivion?Shame we don't have a wider range of animation styles.Some western shows have great background art at least.
>>7914441>GaroMy favorite of that group is Yoshihiro Tatsumi, his biography A Drifting Life is good and covers a huge history of manga/gekiga if that's your thing.Crumb is a S tier draftsmen, letterer and designer, but I've never cared for his stories, if you swapped the art but kept the characters and story beats I don't think he'd be as memorable.
>>7915870>Crumb is a S tier draftsmen, letterer and designer, but I've never cared for his stories, if you swapped the art but kept the characters and story beats I don't think he'd be as memorable.His collabs with Harvey Pekar are quite good, if you're a Tatsumi fan you'd probably dig them. Also his 80's stuff in magazines like Weirdo exploring esoteric subjects like Phillip K. Dick's spiritual vision quests or Boswell's London Journal are much more interesting than his 60's and early 70's stuff when he was trying to be funny.
>>7915866>ANY Western show today.Love, Death & Robots? Though that's on a short by short basis.Overall I agree though, but I think things are changing as we FINALLY start moving towards having more mature animated shows for adults, and not just adult comedies and children's shows, both of which seem to only further the visual degradation of the medium.
A True Story,believe it or not.My feud with Robert Crumb.I live in Jersey, and NYC is a short bus ride to Port Authority Bus Terminal. There was an exhibition of his work,and I went with a lady friend to see it. There was a camera crew setting up for Crumb's appearance, but we showed up early to look at everything. A print of his Mr Natural went for $1500,and it amazed me. But then he arrived and the fun started.I am,or was then,a hulking guy 6'3" who tosses boxes around all night for a living with shoulder length blond hair and wearing a leather jacket,unconsciously portraying one of his own stereotypes unintentionally. He bustles past me,looks me up and down, and SNORTLES derisively at me,and storms past. I am like Fuck You Buckaroo who needs THAT shit? He went into his antics,ending with his typical Piggy Back Ride thing he does with amazonian women,and the camera was eating it up. Suddenly the camera turns to me and my friend, and asks us if we had a question for Mr. Crumb.And I said >"Oh,no. Never disturb a genius in mid hump."We made to leave,and suddenly the directress tried to have me sign a release so they can use it. I smiled,said No,just snip it. And saw Crumb scowling after me.Years later I was at St Marks Place,sort of refereeing a loud argument two random denizens were having instead of an actual fight. I was trying to observe the confrontation and keeping it from escalating, when all three of us were noticing an elderly gentleman loudly berating me. It was Crumb, still sore from having to delete a good segue from his biography, making that section end abruptly. Once I realized who he was, I explained him to the other two,and told Crumb that there will be an inevitable Criterion collection version, and he can restore the scene with my blessing. He calmed down and we all went away.I never saw the Criterion collection version, but I will eventually.
>>7916417i need to check that one out. I hear good things about it.
>>7916417>here's a picture of a niggerWAOW I absolutely HAVE to watch this I can't possibly miss out on BLACK PEOPLE in my entertainment after I see them being loud pushing drugs and taking shits on the sidewalk IRL every fucking day!!!!! I love western art and of course BLACK PEOPLE so much bros I can't wait to leave my whole fucking nation to amazing BLACK PEOPLE Ubermensch who have given our civilization things like rap music and basketball n shiet, can't get enough of POWERFUL BLACK PEOPLE in the media
>>7916808
>>7916808>here's a picture of a niggerYou're welcome anon, but did you HAVE to make a post as you jerk off?
>>7916808>immediate automatic reaction to seeing a black person in any capacity without any context whatsoevergenuinely, utterly, irredeemably, incomprehensibly, unfathomably and truly MIND BROKEN
r crumb married two jewish women
this is a cool thread thank you for expanding my horizons
>>7916456... FAR OUT !
>Archie was drawn at 12x17">Crumb now draws at 14x17"This is exciting because he now has a few more inches of width to add background art. He even drew GENESIS at 11x14" lol
What was Marty Pahls like, was he like the tomdnyc of Cleveland or...? It's kind of strange that he never features in a comic
>>7917518He was Robert's friend for years, but things got weird when he married Robert's sister and she became a lesbian and left him, and he quickly became an alcoholic to cope from the heartache.
>>7917522trying to picture the Butch Yum Yum Book rn
>>7916456I'll take shit that never happened for $400 AlexJk cool story bro whether it's true or not
>>7917522i wish the two sisters and marty pahls appeared in the documentary
>>7917710Marty Pahls died right as Zwigoff was kicking production into high gear, I'm sure he would've appeared if he hadn't died prematurely. The Crumb sisters refused to participate.
>>7914474>>7914578>>7914663Agree with these. Crumb's older brother was also clearly more talented but just never tapped into his giftCrumb himself has some kind of horrifying brainrot where it's just the inverse of what normie boomers think. "You like war? Actually I think war sucks! You like cities? Actually I prefer nature! You like pretty things? Well my art is really ugly!" It was passable in the 60's but you gotta really grow out of that shit
>>7917909He's actually changed quite a bit in the last few years, he's gotten more paranoid (understandable) the last decade, and since Aline's death, he's gotten more spiritual. He believes in an afterlife and an eternal soul now, has even talked about astral projecting.
>>7917907what a shame, atleast charles crumb was in it (he was the best part.)>>7917909thats true... I wished they'd somehow just compiled all of his comics and upload it online but i guess its too late now. Have you read crumb family comics before? it features very revealing letters from charles
This guy >>7915350
>>7913576>Sooo transgressive, right?Anyone doing the same thing in 2026 would get bullied out of any art community. Then he'd get bullied out of right wing circles for not being enough a mindless chud. So yeah I'd say it's pretty transgressive. In fact, more so these days.
>>7919359Eh, maybe the black and jew jokes would cause that, but half of all indie comes now are shitty diary comics about the author's sex life, so I'd say you're only half right.
>>7919364>shitty diary comics about the author's sex lifeOnly women and sexual minorities are allowed to do this however. A straight guy doing it is problematic.
>>7917909>Well my art is really ugly!Crumb's art is extremely beautiful and soulful when he wants to. It's just that he mostly enjoys grotesque subject matter.
>>7919371is the any indie male comics about being a loner isolated from society
>>7919401>is the any indie male comics about being a loner isolated from societyJoe Matt
>>7917909>you have to grow out of a subject matterCrumb is not a shock jockey, he's indulging his own perverse interests, you're just being a puritan about it.
>>7919401not really indie but I've been enjoying drama queen since launch, really scratches that transgressive itch while still playing everything straight
>>7919401>>7919456
>boomers had to cut out a non-dress wearing bugs bunny for sexual stimulationstrange!
Bumpin für more time..
>>7913503No, Henry Darger was.
>>7913551A. Wyatt Mann was better
>>7913503Yeah but that's not saying much really. Most of the underground is really poor low quality stuff just notable for being willing to show boundary pushing, grotesque, obscene, extreme, or just fucking weird work. There really isn't much good shit being made here, it's more about the attitude, the anti-censorship stance, creating a model and style that later cartoonists would follow and take to a much higher artistic and literary level. He was far and away the best artist of that scene and one of the funnier and more interesting guys but ultimately didn't have much more depth to his work than of the others of that time. He'd fit in really well around here.>>7914441The Tsuge and Garo stuff I've read comes off as more impressive than most American underground comics to me, holds up better. Could say the same about some European and Argentine comics of the same decade even.
>>7914155Yeah that's exactly what happened unfortunately. It's not too late to fix things, though
>>7914469He's got some very Toriyama looking pieces. I wonder if Toriyama ever followed his stuff? It would be up his alley>>7915175>>7915378Tell me this doesn't look like it belongs in Nintendo Power
>>7913503me
Bumpin for more...
>>7914446>He now uses Koh-I-Noor Rapidograph 0/.35,Those things are sooo scratchy, I tried using them like 20 years ago and they were a pain in the ass, you have to hold them 90 degrees to the paper to get a good mark, refilling them is a pain, and they clogged all the time.
>>7914446Hasn't he used pretty much the same pen since the 1960's when he was at American Greetings? He just switched from the fatty german one to the leaner gray-and-white one.
>>7930341>I wonder if Toriyama ever followed his stuff? It would be up his alleyI don't know about Toriyama, but Benimaru Itoh, who's tight with Shigesato Itoi (creator of Earthbound/Mother) and Nintendo and has done Earthbound, Starfox and Super Metroid comics/manga for Nintendo, definitely has followed Crumb and is clearly a fan. I can't see this Donkey Kong art and not see the R. Crumb influence.
>>7930340>Yeah that's exactly what happened unfortunately. It's not too late to fix things, thoughI don't think the pendulum would've swung so hard the other direction if there wasn't such an obsession with censorship and shutting down artistic expression in the 1950's. The crackdown and freak-outs by government authority over rock & roll and comic books in the 1950's caused the reaction it did in the 1960's and 70's.
>>7930338>The Tsuge and Garo stuff I've read comes off as more impressive than most American underground comics to me, holds up better.I think the American spiritual equivalent to Garo is closer to the 80's alternative scene and Art Spiegleman's Raw Magazine. Gary Panter was fairly popular in Japan in the 80's. Even Tsuge was published in Garo at the time.
>>7930961>Mario catching the diving planethat is how Goldeneye began, now I'm hearing Tina Turner.
I know Crumb is into big, round asses and thick thighs and legs to match, but sometimes he can dig a nice pair of tits.
like to bump
Shout out to Crumb for having peak taste in women at age 12.
>>7930808>and they clogged all the time.I've found some decent tutorials to get them unclogged without buying the bullshit "cleaning solution" or kit or whatever. Just water and a jar does the trick.https://youtu.be/IY3mwzhg8MU?si=WoSfTKSKLcAEkevB
>>7913606not just America, the entire Anglosphere, and it was only until about 2008 when French and Belgian comic artists started getting puritanical outrage comments.
>>7932233I'm shocked 2000AD maintained it's quality as long as it did considering the UK is the country that was outright banning horror movies left and right because a church lady said so during the "Video Nasties" panic in the 80's.
>>7932216damn
>>7932343If I was 12 in the 1950's, she would've been my sexual fantasy fodder, too.
Dumping some R. Crumb drawings
>>7930961He saw this evidently.
what impresses me most was some of the drawings he did when he took a trip to Bulgaria. He illustrated the atmosphere very well. What a shame>>7932471>>7932481I do appreciate his sexy girl drawings but sometimes it seems like he is overdoing the sex pervert schtick
>>7932629>I do appreciate his sexy girl drawings but sometimes it seems like he is overdoing the sex pervert schtickThere's a BBC documentary that came out a little before Crumb that Robert insisted he and Aline write, and it comes off so manufactured and phony compared to Zwigoff's doc. Robert scripts a scene where he's ogling women at an aerobics class, he really liked to hide behind the sex pervert persona, and I think he was uncomfortable with Zwigoff's doc because he forced him to be real in front of the camera and not the persona he constructed. Though I think his comic work got better after it, more honest and introspective, so maybe part of him realized it's better to be real than to play a persona.
>>7933191Sounds like he used the horny schtick as a shield to pretend he was being real and intimate with his audience, when he really wasn't; or that it was a distraction from the other aspects of himself, which he hadn't wished to divulge.Sort of like how some turn everything into jokes to protect themselves, he would turn everything into him being horny.
>>7933197He definitely did, and as much as he bellyaches about the fallout from the documentary, in some ways it liberated him from a self-imposed persona and allowed him to make more thoughtful work. He never would've made that comic about Charles after his death before the Crumb documentary.
Jump, jump...
>>7933451You know you can contribute something when you bump, right?
>>7933191https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5ctDOXeEM yes this one. I've watched it before, it is admittedly a little entertaining but you can see all the staged scenes and not the unfiltered footage we have with zwigoff
>>7913503no it's ben garrison!
>>7933667I promise but will tomorrow, O.K.?...
>>7933667O.K. then. First I'd like to ask; why “was”..the greatest underground artist – isn't he, how I'm hoping still, “croaking”? Did you wanted to know in comparison to other US american artists or internationally?In comparison to all the other underground artists, of course, internationally and throughout time and space and now I wouls start boasting about my favored artists, but would I then pay the slightest affection to what the meaning of his art was, is and will remain to me?No. One has to see him as an artist of course in the social setting he was part of. Besides his technical abilities.But another interesting question shows up, was it even important for these artists then to be the biggest, above all – for not the big is great! – could be difficult in an idealized society were all were meant or tried to act as equal animals? And have they failed? Probably, for look were we're standing now if they'd claim that at all! and they were probably all in a way the great escapists. But maybe they have won just like in Terry Gilliams 1985 Brazil; “We have lost him.”
>>7933667As to be seen in this documentary they rather enjoyed gathering together and had a panel sheet going round were every one could contrive his bullshit. In a hippie-style sit-in surely? Sounds like kinda psychotherapy – very suspicious! “ I wonder what they do in there; summer, sundae and a year”.They rather tried to live an alternative form to their lives under their oppressive suffocating parents with their pressure to perform.They didn't wanted to dwell like that; 1950ies cold war heartlessness and they just said good-bye to it all. Many among them who became leading artists in US American arts (once underground); Jim Morrison, Jimmy Hendrix. Especially these had either military in their families as tyrannical fathers or have been themselves part of the military.Concerning his technique and linework;As a true hippie follower, or better said, an “stonerus totalis” or in german; “Bekifftus Totalis*”, an 80ies MAD -magazines very scientific sounding description of a very special sort of teenage species in binomial nomenclature with the bad habit of „pushing, sniffing and smoking everything from heroine to mommy's general purpose cleaner” – so the quality of his line work isn't presumably that precise and straigt as maybe Myamoto Musashis “red-backed-shrike on a branch”, even though using a rotring- damn he is using tippex too? * further ones I could remember were; Teenius Geilbockus (teenius horndogus) and Emma Emanzipata(Emma Braburneralis). We used to find these very funny and eagerly categorized when we saw some.
>>7933667And definitely not by technique or style for there was one for example, whose photo-realistic style with flesh and mesh really blew my mind when first seeing it: Richard Corben! He was a also real master concerning depth and three-dimensionality.But Crumbs quality lies on a different level. He didn't attend arts school, did he? – so he is a autodidact and that wild mix of looney-tunesq Donald Duck style in a naïve art manner - that was interesting to me. I therefor have to esteem him having opened a fuller and more interesting view upon the Amerikas to me on the one hand and that he had the guts not ripping and flushing his haunting demons down the toilet – in Bulgaria there are still toilets that can't be flushed by the way*.He pictured his country besides the boring art that was and still is representing “the commercial mainstream”.But reality isn't always the Stark villa by the seaside or like in the clean adverts crowding the young child's fragile eggshell mind.
>>7933667Crumb showed incline power poles, his was a used up and dirty universe (didn't he colab with Charles Bukowski?) the other side “This is not Amerika – Noooe!” the shady corner behind the diner. The attempt to catch that (was a success) is were his truth, the quality of his work lies. And maybe not in his inking or hatching techniques.And I guess he got bored with these colorful greeting-cards – that stuff wasn't interesting anymore, it was sterile and had no pubic-hair or big legs on it.*Even though the bulgarian picture seems a bit too backwardly – it looks like from Bram Stoker.His description of a well known New York estate ripp-off and the white house being overrun by a hillbilly pig militia can be almost seen as a prophetic. What I didn't understand though is how he got through with stuff like honey bunch kaminski? And I furthermore hope that his name don't shows up in the Epstine-files...
R. Crumb sculpture by Kazu Hiro
>>7935690>>7935693>>7935695>>7935699>for not the big is great!
>>7935855so at least one point will be remembered - to be onest, (son) I'm a bit disappoint...
>>7935818I first didn't want to believe it
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>>7913503was he the artist the most successful to monetise?
>>7937137He's kind of like Bill Watterson, where he some early, bad experiences with mainstream publishers, licensing and rights stuff (Fritz the Cat movie), and chose to be way less lucrative about book rights and licensing than he could've been on his own terms.
Color by Victor Moscoso might be the best floppy oat
>>7937137No way, classic newspaper comic strip creators like Charles Schulz and Al Capp were multi-milionaires. Crumb did all right for himself, but the golden age comic strip creators were on another level.
>>7937859No, I meant, from all the underground comic book artist! So to say, the one being the most paid for artist among them?
>>7938328Art Spiegelman won a Pulitzer for Maus, and it has become an evergreen best-seller, regularly required reading in American public schools, so I assume he's done the best of all the underground comix guys.
>>7913503His art always looks like it smells horrendous
>>7919456This guy is arguably more disgusting than crumb. At least crumb’s work can be enjoyable to read when he works with the right people.
>>7915893>tfw god took best Jew and not CrumbThis life is unfair. Just want him back bros i feel like pure shit
>>7938606awesome
>>7938616Maybe if you’re into that.
>>7938611I might him once, I think he had a migraine and was complaining about the restaurant they were going to for dinner, but he was nice to me.
>>7938607>This guy is arguably more disgusting than crumb.It's not even a debate, at least Crumb has gotten laid many times over his life and had two wives and kids, Joe Matt died alone with no wife and no kids and comics about what a miserable gooner he was to show for it.
>>7919401I've seen a lot of people talk about that kinda stuff here and it makes me wonder how much of a market there is that's yet to be tapped into in the west.Last year I did a bit of concepting for an idea I've had for a while that deals with loneliness and extremism, but thought I'd try and get better at art and story telling before that, and do some other comics before doing something so heavyYou guys think theres much of an audience in Gen Z men for that kinda stuff? premise is about a wannabe entrepreneur frycook, trying to find and stop a serial killer targeting the elite
>>7938697even for a dorky guy like crumb he still managed to lose his virginity to a cute jewish girl when he turned 19 i think. Thats better than most guys in the modern day who are 30 and still virgins
>>7938695FUUUUCK you are lucky. I really admire his writing style.
>>7938864Difference between being gross but likable and just being a disgusting sack of shit
funny how nobody cares about maxon. Anyways, here is the crumb brothers. Imagine if charles crumb didn't become a recluse and tried to make it big in comics like his brother robert, wouldn't that be great
>>7939425>funny how nobody cares about maxon.I just saw a recent video of Maxon from January of this year on Internet Archive, kind of interesting.https://archive.org/details/maxon-crumb
Crump!!!
>>7930961Sorry, Anon I meant Vaughn Bode
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>>7913503No, retard, he's just the one (You) know about because you hang out in the faggot normosphere. Vaughn Bodē is the greatest underground comic artist of all time, except now that I've said it, we need a NEW greatest of all time, because faggots like you, won't stop sniffing around looking for shit to cannibalize into normgroidism.
>>7944822After writing this and reading the thread I realized Bodē isn't cool anymore
>>7944650what a nice old fella
>>7944823>Bodē isn't cool anymoreBodē hasn't been cool ever since people learned he accidentally offed himself doing auto-erotic asphyxiation, anon.
>>7945023>he accidentally offed himself doing auto-erotic asphyxiation, anonSeems pretty cool to me. Would it have been cooler if he had purposely offed himself doing auto-erotic asphyxiation, anon?He died doing what he loved - freaky sex stuff.
I just found out you can buy new Crumb comic books from the official website, I just ordered Hup #1-4 and Mr. Natural #3.
