So there’s no way this actually helps right? Post bad advices
>>7913943Do a version where you don't map out the circles, is it worse?>Post bad adviceAnything offered on /ic/
>>7914009>Post bad adviceok>just draw>everything is chicken scratch>you HAVE to learn anatomy>don't start with color until you master values>don't start with values until you master construction>don't start with construction until you master perspective>watch proko>instead of attending local classes just hoard videocourses>don't explore style until you're a hyperrealistic renderbot>read loomis>studying from pictures is cheating>grind>study composition from commercial concept artists
>>7913943That looks kinda cool, some voodoo shit I done seen at a museum looks like that. Gave me migraine for two weeks, smell of sulfur in right nostril, visions of future war.
>>7913943>draw 100000000 boxes every daypointless grind connecting vanishing pointsI have no idea why the fuck that course got popular, and that other one drawing squiggles and drawing a cross-section over them
>>7913943ahahahahahahahaha
>>7913943Are those supposed to be wrapping lines? They are not drawn like that at all.
>>7914071just draw is good advice for the sort of people it applies to thoughdrawing is better than not drawing even if you do it wrong or bad
>>7914076You sound like a writer.
Recommending Loomis to someone who wants to draw anime.
>>7913943The coil method can help you visualize long round forms that change direction, such as arms and legs, particularly in foreshortening situations.Outside of that, there isn't much practical utility. This is more a mental exercise than a technique to frequently employ.Something worth noting - there is actually a mild coil inversion between the lower and upper torso that this artist does not capture correctly, which somewhat defeats the purpose of this exercise.
>>7913943That kind of works when you're dealing with foreshortening.
>>7914332Yeah, all the Japanese artists who recommend it are such crabs, they're essentially kicking the ladder behind them.
>>7913943good jobnow analyze your drawingwhere does it look off? change that till it looks rightrinse, repeat
>>7914490But loomis works for anime?
>>7914588The Loomis head is proportioned for human heads. Anime heads don't fall into that so trying to force Loomis on an Anime head doesn't work. This is assuming we're talking about the typical anime style, not the more realistic ones.
>>7914599The fundamentals Loomis talks about aren't tied to the specific manikin he usesCartoon characters obviously have different proportions so for them you have to design a different manikin. Of course cartoons are often simple enough that the "manikin" itself is basically the character. Anime is tricky because it falls somewhere between realism and full cartoons. It's often based on referenced real humans but with things weirdly nudged around to make them "cool" or whatever
>>7914588A constructive, form-conscious approach to drawing from imagination works. Loomis uses a constructive method. It works.The problem that occurs with many beginners is they try to replicate Loomis' head construction verbatim, and apply it to designs that do not match it. That is the opposite of a form-based approach. Go back to the very first chapters of FWAP. Does Loomis use the sphere and cone for all of his cartoon characters? No, because that was not their form. The actual design dictates the construction, not the other way around.Frankly, even for realistic character drawing, Loomis' head construction might be unnecessarily complex for a lot of artists. Its separate forms need to be drawn well individually, and intuitively positioned correctly with each other under various perspectives. Many fail at this. Their errors and sloppiness compound because of this approach is additive. A subtractive approach that starts with a single bounding shape (like a box or a cylinder) makes errors on each drawing pass smaller.
What's way more insidious and poisonous than just straight up bad advice is most of the threads here that pose a retarded idea as a question >>7909207
>>7913943>aphantasia>neuroplasticity>asian jens>drawing with the right side of the brain>symbol drawing>drawing from the shouldersThese are all meme terms that aren't real, just like global warming, anaconda, and Godzilla.
>>7914599It works for both. The reason why it doesn’t “work” is because the Westoid way is to curve around the sphere when all you really have to do is flatten the line. Facial features are shapes while westoid has you drawing the whole ball of the eye. The concept is all the same besides those I pointed out.
Draw/Copy Bridgman twice
how about this one
