>>7924659
There's no money to be made there

>>7924659
Look around, anon. EVERYTHING sucks. Star Wars sucks. Star Trek sucks. Movies in general suck. Why would it be different for comics? These are the products of a culture in decline.

Educational standards have devolved significantly. Whites are becoming a minority in their own countries. The US military has raised the age of enlistment to 42, because most young men in the US are too fat, too stupid or too criminal to qualify (never mind they don't want to die for Israel and war profiteers).

Everything is going to shit. All the entertainment industries (movies, TV, video games, comics) are pushing trannies, interracial sex, deviance, misandry and hate whitey. That's become the whole point. The inmates, who believe they are the vanguard of "social justice," are running the asylum. The warden is a Jewish billionaire who feels safer in a country where whites have been deracinated and the culture is a tower of Babel.

The economy has gone to shit, people are demoralized, the government is overtly corrupt and unanswerable to the people. Not ideal conditions for the flowering of an artistic renaissance.

Of course, it's still possible to make a great comic. You have to have the skills as an artist and a writer, and something to say, and the discipline to follow through.

>>7924659
they didn't, people still make and buy comics
the reason you only hear about americana nd japanese ones is that they have no population
italy, france have half the population of japan and like 1/8 of usa, not even considering the anglosphere
pretty much all of bong comics aside from the boomer mags exist mostly in usa
artists from smaller european countries generally work for french or american publications because their market is tiny
on top of that, there's so much competition now with easy access to american and japanese media that trying to compete in switzerland as an average slovak comic author is basically impossible
same thing with films, when I was a kid, french and italian films were in theaters, now they can't cross the border because the theaters are over saturated with burger media, so they just show in their own countries outside of festivals
they're still made, it's just that globalization ironically locked them into their own national markets

>There are an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 professional comic creators (writers, illustrators, colorists) across Europe.
>Nearly 3,000 professional authors are active in the French-speaking sector

>>7924775
>they're still made, it's just that globalization ironically locked them into their own national markets
Bait thread, but this is the answer for Euro-comics and it was a smart play. Despite Europe importing mangas for much longer than the US, they are in a much healthier position than US comics in their respective home market.

>>7924775
They still show movies from other euro countries here in finland

>>7924765
post your work

>>7924659
Women did this.

>>7924659
Euro comics are barely marketed or shown outside of comic circles. If you want to know about those comics, you have to be active in the comic scene.
Now add the decline of literacy and normies doomscrolling on tik tok all day, with western comics being overall pretty fucking atrocious and suffering from the same sexual identity cancer as the whole of western media if it's not just weeb mangos, with publishers not even seeking talent, without a real structure, culture or system to bring comics to the people, with the euro-economy going to utter shit and people trying to survive the current invasion of engineers + the stagnating wages, ever increasing rents, and tax rape; comics are not really a priority for anyone outside of those circles.

Even Lucca, got so weebified that most faggots just go there to buy juan piss or that time i got reincarnated as my sisters vagina and had sex with a dolphin

>>7924934
>Euro comics are barely marketed or shown outside of comic circles. If you want to know about those comics, you have to be active in the comic scene.
whens the last time you stepped outside and breathed the "fresh" (okay, automobile-encrusted) air? or do you live in like latvia or some shit. they're sold in corner shops here just fine, lots of italian comics like zagor at least

>>7924937
How would you know that you'd die if you never killed yourself before?

>>7924938
what did your face look like before your parents were born xiyuanon?

>yeah comics sell because i see the on the shelves in my local shop
this has gotta be the most shortsighted, voidbrain gorilla take ever expressed in human history

this is the fucking target audience for comics and you wonder why they ain't selling to make the money back

>>7924937
smanji dozivljaj, zemljace

>>7924942
if they didnt sell, they wouldn't get translated from italian into my orcine slavic and put on the corner store shelf. it's not a sign of a giga bustling economy, but they're definitely widely shown outside "comic circles", and since this has been happening for at least 25 years of my conscious life it means that the store owners have probably so far figured out that these are a better investment than just burning money. i'd hope.

>>7924944
tak stalno sedim po 4chanu da istjeram bijes, bum ti preporučil da probaš nije loše za živce

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>if they didn't sell they wouldn't have a couple hundred prints done with machine translation in my pig language
look at fuckin galaxy brain over there

>>7924950
jbt, znao sam, samo mi citamo zagora

>>7924952
moj stari dere dijabolika, a ja pokupim po zagora, krenuo sam tjekom korone a stalno ga uviđam po trafikama, mislim da doduše doista ga nitko ni ne čita ili bar nikaj ne pričaju o njima van juge, ali kao argument svejedno štima
>>7924951
yes, this is how the economy works

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yes bros europeen camics are thriving!

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>>7924959
nothing fancy like that, we have these shitboxes, they have a small space for books and magazines there in the front, and there's usually things like comics there too. but yes, manga is also big, there's no illusion that the euro comic industry is bigger than japshit, it's just not non-existent

Tex, Dylan Dog, Diabolik, Lucky Luke and the such are still being made, but on minimal print and shops need to pre-order them months in advance, even in their own languages.
Prasa thinks he see a stand holding a couple books that don't even sell and says it works as an argument of why the industry isn't practically on life support.

Shut the fuck up man.

>>7924959
What's the image meant to convey? It literally shows equal amounts of comics and manga

>>7924974
Sorry, blind nigga, this is a eyes only forum

>>7924978
And yet you type with your hands. Curious.

>>7924765
Holy true.
Goycattle will deny it but everyone knows the west is kiked and soon the east

>>7924980
Should've prompted yourself a better comeback or a suicide tutorial, retard.

>>7924972
>tex
>Monthly Sales: Estimated at 130,000 to 150,000 copies for the main series
>DD
>Monthly Sales: Estimated at 70,000 to 90,000 copies per month.
>Diabolik
>New Monthly Issues: Estimated at 80,000 to 100,000 copies per month.
>LL
>Per New Release: A new album typically sells 300,000 to 500,000 copies in its first year across Europe
Sounds pretty good 2bh. This is just new releases, too, eg Tex
>Total Circulation: If you include the various reprints (Tex Nuova Ristampa, TuttoTex) and special editions (Tex Willer, Speciale Tex), the brand moves over 400,000 copies per month.

>>7924984
that's actually better than i expected, neat! and yeah my argument was just that they're at least breaking even, if not really dominating or anything. it's not a super niche thing although it's dwarfed by amerishit and japshit

>>7924984
Now show me all those customers holding copies and not the books sitting in an amazon warehouse or collecting dust on shelves.

Add printing, shipping and other expenses.
Big number doesn't magically mean good.

>n-no everyone's just ordering them because they're not selling them! t-that's how business works!
shut the fuck up, niggermutt

>yes, bro, magic the gathering is thriving, look at the sales made from scalpers who hoard product! It's flourishing even!

comic books are an investment, hence why they're getting hoarded for a future price spike.
But there is no real audience in those numbers.

I thought autism made you aware of the macroscale of things?

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>>7924988
what a weirdly fetishistic request. sure, here's a guy reading zagor in belgrade

>6 million people buy comics
>here is one guy to support my claim
insane how estrogenically charged individuals believe anecdotes to be proof of objectivity

>>7924990
they literally had the highest attendance con ever last year lol

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>>7924993
in response
>>7925002
so did nugioh
also fucking dying

>>7925004
go back to /tg/ - trans gentlemen

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>>7925007
Silence, pigger

daily reminder SEAmonkeys will never be japanese no matter how much they live vicariously through their cartoons

>saars the ai is thriving saar! luk @ how many bajillion rupees they are making and how many Xitter followers ai art profiles have! Saar, redeem the argument!

>>7924984
Stuff like Tex Willer and Lucky Luke were among the biggest names in european comics in their golden day, they're basically surviving on inertia they've accumulated over decades. And I remember there being a whole row of these types of comics on the shelves, not just those two and British Commando. What happened to Valerian and Yoko Tsuno? Oh yeah, you can still find them in the specialty store, in the farthest corner behind rows and rows of manga shelves. I guess the authors are dead and no one's making new ones since these weren't Asterix caliber properties.
Some random indie comic by chud b. anonymous isn't going to be sold in grocery stores or get anywhere close these numbers.

>SEAmonkey immediately goes for the only "people" he thinks he can be smug towards upon being called out
I accept your cumstained ladyboy concession

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They failed to capture new generations for a bunch of reasons, like lower accessibility (you can only buy capeshit at the capeshit store while manga is sold wherever you want including amazon, and is free if you're willing to spend five seconds on Google), adaptations being either non existent or just not good enough, higher cost per page or maybe they didn't appeal to them enough, and thus you have zoomers thinking western comics are kind of niche and might like them or won't buy them and the three gen alpha kids who don't think the medium is washed unc shit read the Boys or Invincible because they heard their favorite series was adapted from that and run away after the first rape scene.

yeah, the ps5s being out of stock back then totally meant everyone had one in their homes

>>7925022
Meh, every bigger supermarket has classic euro comics, I've never seen them stocking manga. Euro comics, capeshit and manga are sold at the same corner of bookstores and while I've no doubt manga is vastly more popular, I doubt people actually buy it all that much when it's online for free before it hits the shelves in Europe.

Yeah, i once saw 25 comic books in 15 different stores.
I guess the west is saved.

>>7925031
This may vary on country or city but I've definitely seen manga in supermarkets and I've seen them outnumber the other comics too.

>>7925033
Either way, the industry's not dead by any margin just because a foreign industry is bigger. Taylor Swift existing doesn't render J-pop dead. I'm never going to hear J-pop unless I seek it out, but it's there.

An industry without real customers is a bubble, mate.

>>7924959
> I found the manga section
Congrats?
>>7925031
Their popularity is unmatched, but browsing shonen threads on /a makes it very apparent that most people in there only watched the anime, and even less people pay for that.

The answer is really just that not enough people buy comics to support an industry. Japanese people still buy comics. That's all it is. Everything else is just a symptom of this fundamental issue.

No bro didn't you see that one picture of one guy reading a comic? Didn't you see the news stands carrying a couple books? Did you see the big number of sales of 30 year old comics?
The western comic market is thriving!

>>7924659
Why not just get a domain name, put your comic there, and merchandise it and keep ALL of the profits? Print is going away.

>>7925062
Why do Japanese people still buy comics?

>>7925326
they don't, the zoomers don't read manga, the industry is basically capeshit circa 2000

>>7925326
>The manga market shrunk 1.7% year-on-year in 2025
>This represents the first time since 2017 that the manga market has shrunk, as it has seen a year-on-year increase since then.
>Sales of printed compiled manga book volumes shrunk by 14.4% year-on-year, now amounting to 126 billion yen (about US$801 million), while the manga magazine market also shrunk by 12.7%, now amounting to 39.2 billion yen (about US$249 million). The print numbers combined amount to 165.2 billion yen (about US$1.04 billion yen), a reduction from 2024's 192.1 billion yen (about US$1.22 billion in current conversion). The print market has overall shrunk every year since 2017, when it amounted to 258.3 billion yen (about US$1.64 billion in current conversion).
Print is dying, it remains to be seen if the industry at large is still healthy. Most japs under 20 don't read manga at all, compared to 10% in the 90s

>>7925326
Beats me. Train commute, maybe?

>>7925327
>the zoomers don't read manga,
>>7925335
>Most japs under 20 don't read manga at all
Source?

>>7925335
How is that comparing to other entertainment industries when there's fewer and fewer young people in Japan?

>>7925337
>Iida Ichishi, writing for PRESIDENT Online, examined manga readership data and found a steady decline among youth from the 1990s to the present. Tracking data from the National Association of School Librarians’ (全国学校図書館協議会) yearly surveys of elementary, middle, and high school students, he writes that he observed precipitous drops in manga magazine readership.
>The number of high-school boys in the survey who were regular readers of Jump magazine – Japan’s most popular manga magazine targeted at young boys – had dropped from almost 500 in 1996 to 54 in 2019. Similar trends were found among young girls, with the number falling from almost 200 to 32. The only magazine holding strong was KoroKoro Comics, Japan’s premier manga magazine for early readers.
>This tracks with manga readership percentages among these demographics. Readership surveys from the same database showed that in 1985, 85% of elementary schoolers were reading manga magazines, dropping to 68% in 2023, a 17-point drop. Among high schoolers, the drop was even starker, falling from 77% to 49%, a 28-point drop.
>Given that Japan’s youth and child populations are steadily dropping, the decline in raw numbers is even harsher. Across age demographics, Iida argues, manga magazines have been losing youth readership year over year.
>Published on Japanese site PR Times in March, the results indicate that about 70% of those in their 40s read manga. However, the figure drops to 40% for those in their the 20s. The group in their 30s, raised on the internet, is split down the middle at 50%, making it a point of inflection
There's a website you can type words in to get information, I forget the name of it, doodle or something

>>7925342
Damn. But still, 49% of high schoolers reading manga is still more than pretty much any other country. Even moreso when you look at the 20s, 30s and 40s stats. Sure sounds like they still read lots of manga.
>There's a website you can type words in to get information, I forget the name of it, doodle or something
No need to be a faggot man. You're clearly quoting some kind of source.
Anyway your source (https://unseen-japan.com/japanese-teens-manga-readership-decline/) literally leads with
>The manga industry is booming! Sales are at historical highs, and the year-over-year growth is far outpacing the rest of the economy, even as AI is nipping at its heels. The source of this growth is no mystery: unprecedented expansion in the global marketplace, driven primarily by digital platforms, is hooking the medium up to revenue streams that had been anemic for decades.
>But is Japan’s youth steering clear of manga? That’s what at least one controversial journalist in Japan claims. Others, however, point to data showing that manga is doing just fine and the kids are alright.
Which seems to go directly against this "manga is dying" narrative.

>>7925342
>>7925343
Also the very next passage from your source says
>Part of this change is an overall industry shift away from print magazines toward digital publishing apps. Anecdotally, I’ve been reading manga digitally my entire life, and I’m far from alone.
>In 2020, manga’s digital publishing sales overtook print sales for the first time. The market share has only expanded since. This new publishing format has also driven sales to record highs, even as the print side of the industry steadily shrinks. From this perspective, the decline in youth magazine readership could just be an artifact of the general trend away from print towards digital.
In other words: manga isn't dying, print is.

>>7925343
Except it literally shrunk last year, as I already said, and what you posted is a statement from the westoid retard writing the article, not the japanese guy actually discussing the data, learn to read.
I didn't say it's dead, I said print is dying and it remains to be seen if the industry at large is healthy.

>>7925345
That's some westoid "journalist", you dumb nigger. The actual data from fucking japan says the market shrunk first time since 2017 in 2025. Not print, the entire manga market, including digital.

>>7925346
>>7925348
And this Iida dude is literally one guy. The article points out other editors who disagree with him, and are saying that kids are just reading digital now.
>The actual data from fucking japan says the market shrunk first time since 2017 in 2025. Not print, the entire manga market, including digital.
So post it.

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>>7925351
I literally did in the post you first replied to, you worthless fucking nigger.

>>7925352
>graph shows steady growth with a slight dip
IT'S OVER MANGA HAS FALLEN

>>7925353
>Print is dying, it remains to be seen if the industry at large is still healthy
>HURRR DURRR
Silence, brown turd

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>>7924659
Artists must shed their fear, achieve enlightenment, and realize their existential freedom. Only then can they make something truly worth experiencing.

>>7925355
Okay thenw e agree that print is dying, sure. But I asked for a source for "Most japs under 20 don't read manga at all". I guess you provided it here >>7925342 but that still says that 40% of people in their 20s which is an amazingly high number when you compare it to pretty much any other country.

>>7925357
Holy fuck, your IQ is abysmal, never reply to me again

>>7925358
Do you not agree that 40% of 20-somethings reading comics is exceptionally high? Or are you still trying to say that because isn't as exceptionally high at it was then it must be in its dying days?

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>>7924765
This. Unless the upcoming generations develop a drastically different culture (which is unlikely, considering they're being groomed as early as kindergarten), I don't see a comeback happening.

They're eventually coming for Japan and South Korea too. The more these countries have to open up their boarders because of their birth rates, the more they will be infected by political agendas.

>>7925348
can't happen too fast, i'm getting naruto fatigue. hopefully whatever replaces it will be worth looking at
>>7925368
you too, post your work
(spoiler: you probably wont)

>>7925417
What does his work have to do with it? You haven't posted yours, have you?

>>7925417
>naruto fatigue
Are you from 2013?

>>7925674
He’s a tourist.
>>7925343
All jap kids care about these days are monster hunter, armored core and American FPS. Anime and manga isn’t popular after Gen Z. Don’t worry, the 2030s will be the rise of Chinese animation and comics with budgets backed by the CCP to spread cultural propaganda just like Japan has been doing for 50 years.

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>>7925585
>What does his work have to do with it?
people who write political rants on /ic/ usually don't draw and the opinions of nodraws on art and art culture can be discarded
>You haven't posted yours, have you?
cant be bothered to convert new pieces to jpg so here's this compendium of my stuff from last year, picrel
>>7925674
>>7925680
its just a funny way to refer to all manga, anon. nothing deeper to it

>>7925680
>2030s
That's soon. They better hurry the fuck up, though. Half of the world still don't trust them beyond exporting cheap plastic from them.
>>7925788
Good stuff. Wish I had the patience for painting moody landscapes because that looks neat.

>>7925794
thank you anon, im not a big fan of environment work (lazy ass) but i've been trying to work more environmental recently, gotta treat that lack of patience somehow

>>7925788
>its just a funny way to refer to all manga, anon. nothing deeper to it

Nice trolling. I bet you like toonami slop only and haven’t watched anything outside of that…you’re one of those normals.

>>7925788
>people who write political rants on /ic/ usually don't draw and the opinions of nodraws on art and art culture can be discarded
the duty of a community is to ostracize and treat these types as lepers otherwise you will have no community left
perhaps it is too late but we can educate the next generation

>>7925826
i dont watch cartoons in general. i googled toonami and i think ive only watched megas xlr and samurai jack. we didn't really have this stuff when i was a kid in my bogwater thirdistan so i didn't really grow up on anything except like professor balthazar and other esoteria

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>>7925788
>people who write political rants on /ic/ usually don't draw and the opinions of nodraws on art and art culture can be discarded
BASED. EXPOSE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>7925788
sorry double post but can you post the large of these two birds pls? I wanna get a closer look, I really like them. thank you

>>7924659
Euro was always niche, had strong presence in their own countries, but larger countries like the US and Japan generated more revenue, which meant eventually they had enough money to shove their shit into EU and overpower local comics. They are still being made, just not talked about at large or on the internet.
Then capeshit has spent almost 2 decades shooting itself in the dick, giving manga a free win.
In short:
-Manga: good unique stories, lots of money to market itself
-EU: good unique stories, no money to market itself
US: shit reused stories/subvered by modern politics, lots of money to market itself (but declining now finally).
EU will probably survive in niche circles, capeshit will die outside movies and animation, and manga/webtoon will rule the comic industry if they are smart enough to properly transition to phoneshit for zoomers (and jews don't do to it what they did to capeshit).

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>>7924765
movie industry is thriving though

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>>7925865
the first is a fairy penguin and the second is an albino crow. here's the biggest quality i have on my tumblr without opening up photoshop to export em. enjoy, anon :)

>>7925874
like this anon says, successful comics require 2 things: a solid premise, and the means to sell it everywhere possible (aka money). Japan has both, EU and US only have one of the 2.

>>7925680
>All jap kids care about these days are monster hunter, armored core and American FPS. Anime and manga isn’t popular after Gen Z.
got a single fact to back that up or is it all just pulled from your smelly brown ass?

>>7925961
As a matter of fact I do have proof, but i’m permitting you to check inside my smelly brown ass for it since you asked so nicely.

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>>7925788
A person can have an opinion about the quality of movies, TV shows, comics, etc. as a consumer without being a creator himself.

Here is a little sketch of a bald man trying to cast a spell on you.

>>7926079
>As a matter of fact I do have proof
so post it.

>>7926101
You know where to look.

>>7926105
why do you like telling lies on the internet so much?

>>7926108

>provides you proof on where to look
>”no you lie”
anon chan…

>>7926099
nice bald man, love the whimsy
>A person can have an opinion about the quality of movies, TV shows, comics, etc. as a consumer without being a creator himself.
sure, but having opinions on the reasons for that quality requires some experience in creation. it doesn't take a chef to tell you that your dish sucks, but it does take a chef to tell you why it sucks

>>7926117
show me the proof then.
>heh, i already did
yeah? where?

>>7924659
Hollyjews unironically.
A few oligarchs dominate american culture, and use creative (((accounting))) to extract wealth from others through their trash products that somehow never give back revenue to investors and cost gazillions to make despite labor from set assistants to engineers being drastically underpaid.

They inserted themselves in competing industries and made it so editorial, video-game and comic CEOs pushed only projects that could be sold as movie bait to keep on parasiting off culture, and in the 2010s they pushed globalization so they could suck the blood out of Europe and Japan's cultures too.

>>7924778
>>Nearly 3,000 professional authors are active in the French-speaking sector
Discount all the "adulting is hard" four panel strips and you're left with less than 500.
Reduce it even to graphic novel tier stuff and you don't even have 80.

in japan, one guy can make a good manga. (he has assistants but you get what I mean). Ina merica, they tried to turn it into an assembly line so that different people do the sketching, writing (which is often a team), inking, coloring, typesetting, and editing. This ensures one artist doesn't become too powerful when their skills become the soul of the comic. If that person leaves or stops drawing, then the comic is over, that's not good for business.

Of course we have known comic artists but they came about before the big companies realized this and stopped letting new ones form. They don't want to publish and promote great comics made by one person because their entire model will depend on one autistic artist. It still happens but its rare.

>>7924659
>(1/2)
Manga has the greatest advertising and marketing apparatus for pretty much and publication... anime.
Like Dragon Ball Z? There's a manga for that. Like Naruto? There's a manga for that. Hell, like Pokemon? Yep, there's a manga for that as well.

Meanwhile, outside of Comics rely almost entirely on word of mouth for their marketing, and there's very little in the way of adaptions, and even when there are adaptions, they almost seem to distance themselves from the original material, so it doesn't benefit them nearly as much as it should.

It's a shame, comics are probably the best material TO ADAPT. The character design, art direction. environment design, and even the story boarding to an extent have all been done (to a degree at least), seriously cutting down on pre-production costs.

This all said, Robert Kirkman (Invincible, Walking Dead, etc) apparently agrees with me and is seriously pushing for his own, and other Image comic materials, to be adapted, and more greatly emphasise that the adaption ARE adaptions, and there are comics to read as well. I think if he succeeds in this, it'd probably go a long ways in making comics relevant again.

>>7926190
>(2/2)
Another issue that comics faces is some incredibly bad demographic decisions. Marvel and DC were originally for children, and were one of many comics books publishers specifically catering to children. This was in part due to the Comics Code Authority, but super hero comics are obviously an idea that appeals most to children regardless. However, as time has gone on, those other children's comics series have all died out, and both Marvel and DC have chased their audience and released progressively more 'mature' comics (if we can call violence and sex a sign of maturity) - and while this has short term benefits because an older audience will have more money and be willing to pay more for your comics, this has the disastrous long term effect of bringing in a generation of children (to adults) who have no experience, and therefore no love, for the medium of comics. Why would an adult start buying comics if he does not care for them? Reading is a habit best made young, and comics more so, and the western comics book industry have completely flubbed this.

It should be noted that there are SOME children's comics book publishers, notably Boom! Studios, but their reach is limited, and they're quite niche. It was the big dogs who dropped the ball in this regard, and the effects have been industry wide.

>there's a manga for that

manga almost always comes first and there's countless amazing manga that will never get an anime. Not everythings about advertising, thats just what westoids think because they cannot comprehend drawing a comic that is so good it is enjoyed without a fucking cartoon or line of toys.

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>>7924775
The only comic "industry" left in Europe is the french one, and it's supported by the state and the ministry of culture.
>>7924778
They're all old, over 40, and live off the government subsidies
>>7924808
>they are in a much healthier position than US comics in their respective home market.
I doubt it
>>7925044
Nobody but retired boomers and millennials over 40 cares about Western crap. This is the /a/sian century. In 20 years, when this demographic dies out, panini and bonelli will end up being bought by J/a/panese or Korean publishers.

>>7924765
It's true, BUT it if you really REALLY WANTED IT.... You would still do it.... even if it meant you were poor and die poor...

>>7926227
in 20 years, publishing houses won't be a thing, dumb weeb

>>7924659
The Japanese manga industry is just massive, it's like 3-4 times the American one alone and the American one is half mangas anyway, the amount of works published is insane, the amount of publishers, magazines or just web publishers is huge: Jump+, Ichicomi, Web Action, cmoa, Ganma, KurageBunch, Corocoro, Ciao+, etc...
And it's been like that since way back, the doujin scene is also massive, so is the porn scene, every niche is covered from popular series in shonen jump to magazines for children to the wide variety of mangas for adults covering everything from sports to romance to fantasy to comedy to drama to niche porn

There are various reasons for this, Japan is the second most populated economically developed country, and Tokyo is the largest most urbanized city. This has historically made distribution easier, even events like Comiket have been possible due to this, as well as the emergence of new or niche publishers. There's also the influence of Tezuka

By contrast American comics always had to rely on a handful of large companies and distributors, which made shit like the comics code authority possible. The prominent model has also historically been IP controlled by corpos and writer/artist duo getting hired which is awful for creativity, and the comics code killed the smaller indie innovators

It's inevitable that large publishers that only rely on making 1000+ volumes of the same characters with little other to offer will inevitably decline


The real question is why haven't we copied the Japanese model that works so well and had a renaissance, I think there is a possibility but it's just not happening: large corpos are too attached to older models and small publishers struggle, magazines in the style of Japanese ones have been a failure

>>7926227
>This is the /a/sian century.
The pajeet century, maybe. Japan and Korea will suffer demographic collapse 50-90 years faster then whitoids even though their governments aren't activelly trying to kill off their people like western countries are.

By the 2100's there will be nothing but han chinese, jeets, africans and the few non-catholic latinos enslaved by Israel.

>>7926240
>the doujin scene is also massive
People can't comprehend how important this is.
Comiket has been the launchpad for so many careers, the American market just doesn't have anything anywhere near close.
American editors are also nothing like japanese hensheusha. In Japan your editor is your business partner and agent, in America you're a worhtless goon.
Then there's Diamond making sure American comics are only distributed to specialty shops while manga is literally everywhere in Japan.
America set it's comic industry up to fail at every single step of the way.

>>7926243
Pretty much, even in the past any western comic industry was never comparable to manga neither in terms of size nor output or businesses model, the decline was inevitable: you're just publishing the same characters over and over

As for a possible renaissance I think it's possible with the internet but you have a lot of catching up to do, and the western publishers and authors that tried to copy manage struggled at adopting the most basic stuff

We don't even have a good alternative to stuff like DLSite except for maybe itch.io which kinda sucks as a site

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>>7924659
>what should it take for a renaissance of the industry
Nothing is going to change unless theres a massive cultural shift. Westerners, particular Americans arent intrested in reading. In Asia, children are always told reading is a sign of intelligence, hardworking and success. In America, reading is seen as a sign of weakness, low-self esteem and anti-social. There's more pejoratives for people who read than people of different skin colors.

>>7926251
Nah we just need serialised magazines for children like corocoro and ciao that are sold at news stands and web magazines for adults and highschool era like the countless ones in Japan, then you collect in volumes and sell those

>>7926222
>manga almost always comes first and there's countless amazing manga that will never get an anime.
You probably thought you were intelligent, or had inside knowledge, when writing the most basic bitch piece of information that everyone knows, and that does absolutely nothing to refute anything I said.
>Not everythings about advertising
Yes, but when we're talking about sales, it has a lot to do with it.
>thats just what westoids think because they cannot comprehend drawing a comic that is so good it is enjoyed without a fucking cartoon or line of toys.
Everyone (japs and westoids alike) acknowledges the positive effect the anime adaption ecosystem has on manga sales, stop trying to be so contrarian, retard.
And just because I didn't mention quality or genre, or anything else as an issue, doesn't mean they're not. Did you expect my posts to be an entire comprehensive essay that covers absolutely everything?... Get real, faggot.

Also, stop being such a fucking pussy that doesn't actually respond to the posts you're obviously replying t, it's pathetic, more so on an anonymous board of all places.

>>7926261
You are right that the west cares about cartoons and merchendise for comics as a payoff of book sales, but you wrote your posts as if you believe that's the right thing to do and that manga is the same way.

what manga publishers care about is if a manga will be popular and make money, they don't need it to become an anime. It's not nearly as much of a factor as with westoid companies.

>>7926262
>You are right
Thank you. Let's leave it there then.