>>7927099
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7927101
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7927102
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

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I can make one or two pages but I don't have the time and energy to make a full fledged chapter let alone a full fledged title. Just random separated pages. I already have characters and world building fleshed out and even had its own bible. Just no time and energy to pour it all in manga chapters. Just sporadic pages and panels episodes.

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Dekita..! The first chapter of Vedanomicon. I hope some of you like it. I'd be grateful for any critique or advice

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RT6wg6FHUn4tcobHKehd5hC83cl-ckdx/view?usp=sharing

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Made a model sheet while I procrastinate on actually making the next page

Anyone have experience with Viz?

>>7927162
Good lookin'

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I've been talking with friends about my writing process and getting feedback on the direction I'm going. These conversations tend to spark some kind of desire to write for them. They always say they wish they could be "trying this hard." I'm not doing anything radical, or difficult. I try to encourage them to start, or to pick up where they left off. but they really struggle to do so. Even friends who I consider more well read than me. Some of them have projects they've been conceptualizing since I started my comic 8 years ago. I wish I knew what to say, or how to help motivate them into really getting a project going.

>>7927153
can feel the tism glowing from this image

You could also just do an episodic series that doesn't beg you to commit.

>>7927196
Yes but only reading manga localized by them

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>>7927158
I can't go through the whole thing critiquing every panel and page, but I can say that you'd profit from more smaller panels. Take the very first page - it's supposed to be showing our protagonist (I assume) falling off of a really high height, but because of how the two panels are drawn, it shows the before and the after of them slipping off the building, but not the DURING. A small panel of their body sliding or a body part reaching out would be a big help. Also obligatory comment about the rough art - the lines are messy and while that can add to the aesthetic, sometimes it's hard to tell what's what, especially when it's specific, oddly shaped, small objects.

Very cool aesthetics, however. Reminds me of Hylics and the art of Serotines.

>>7927253
Also I read properly to the end, and it seems like you really picked up on the panel trickery by the end, especially with that section with The Inexplicable Bug. Aeu. Aue. John Madden.

>>7927153
This is the "games have to be easier and shorter because I have responsibilities and can't play more than an hour or two" of art. You could always "make one or two pages" at a time for a full chapter.

>>7927253
>>7927257
Thanks a lot..! Paneling and roughness balance have been troubling me throughout the whole thing, I’ll keep trying to figure them out

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>>7927220
This isnt to sound doomerish but you cant really "help" people with that kind of problem. Art is a process of discovery and some people will always fear taking that jump, but its almost always something that they need to get over on their own. Making a story almost always involve failures that the reader will never see in a final product(hopefully anyway) but to the person making it, it can be tiresome and not worth the effort in the moment. Like I myself was one of those fags who was like "I'm waiting to be good at art before I make my shit" but then by coincidence one of my college projects was to make a fake comic page, so I got pushed to make a fake manga page and thats what got me over the edge to actually start doing a real one.
Now technically there ARE things that YOU could do to get them over the edge and make it some sort of collaborative effort, but if they dont want the help then what more can you do? You can tell someone all the "right" answers on how to do this shit but some people need to figure out those answers on their own to "get it". Bringing a horse to water and all that.

>>7927279
Sometimes people have limiting beliefs like "I need a fully realized plot outline before I can start working on the actual comic" or "I'm not good enough to make picture books about beefy men flying and punching because I can't write like the Brontë sisters" where it would take only 5 minutes of reflection for them to realize how stupid it is.
But it's impossible to say what exactly these people's hangup is without talking to them.

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>>7927162
procrastinating using your procrastination

not baiting, genuinely curios: are any of you doing alright audience-wise? (porn doesn't count)

>>7927315
I think it certainly does, people will stop reading things for the dumbest reasons.

I've got a decent chunk of returning readers always popping in around upload day is all that I need to know that people love it, so things are okay. Story will be getting into the more "disagreeable" content in about a year or two so we'll see how that goes since i've already had someone ooze into my comment section to be nasty about it. Ngl it's probably going to be hell.

>>7927315
I speculate that I have 3-10 passionate readers out of 100-200 who eyeball the thing every so often. I think I lose more readers to death than any other reason.

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>>7927315
Outside of this board I think only 5 people know my comic exists. No one to blame but myself on that though I know part of the game is shilling my stuff

>>7927329
character death, right? right?

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>>7927315
I have a couple dedicated readers, and a couple patrons paying to read ahead. my best update days get me good views, and my recent pages have been attracting readers to read everything. I wish I had more comments so I knew what readers were feeling during more than just the big moments. sometimes it feels like the readers are indifferent to whatever writing choices I make.

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Fact: Your first manga will always be a little shitty no matter what you do

>>7927367
Not true, all I have to do is grind fundies for 10 more years then I can instantly and perfectly produce my dream manga and make a million dollars

>>7927337
I want have passionate sex with the one in the middle.

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>>7927315
Oi got ok views and had a small loyal audience. Cosmic Crush is pretty dead in the water, but I can't blame people because it's so long between updates. I'm atleast going to finish this first chapter I have penciled and then decide whether to continue or switch to drawing something new. Other ideas I have for an all ages soccer manga or a historic fantasy adventure set in Phoenicia and Byzantium that takes place in the same world as Oi.

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Has Alice-anon been here lately?
I wonder how far has his pre-serialization progressed?

>>7927472
cosmic crunch looks like it could explode on tiktok.

>>7927495
t. retard

>>7927162
I mean this in the best way possible, your style looks Andrew Dobson's if he'd ever given a shit about improving. I enjoy it a lot.

>>7927504
no meme arrow so you signed your post

>>7927504
I'm not making fun of it, I'm saying it has appeal and it could become popular in the future so its not completely dead forever. And I realized I wrote crunch instead of crush haha because I'm currently eating.

>>7927507
terminally online too

>>7927510
It couldn't appeal to anybody, hence why it's dead

>>7927515
oh you're a schizo. carry on

>>7927516
I have eyes

>>7927472
If it's any consolation, *I* exclusively read Cosmic Crush among all of your works
Gomenosorry anon

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>>7927495
I posted some videos on tiktok that got 2k views. Not really explosion numbers, but also I don't understand how to make good promo videos.
>>7927519
Thank you fren

>>7927472
>>7927523
It would be best to cut your losses and move on to a better project since this one was a dud.
>>7927495
This anon >>7927515 is right. You're completely out of touch if you think zoomers will just read any slop you shovel onto them.

>>7927523
you gotta pretend to be a zoomer girl duh

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>>7927524
Eh I have the pages penciled so might as well finish chapter 1 as inking practice and so it's a complete one shot. People everywhere keep telling me it has appeal and they like the characters and concept but obviously it isn't connecting. I'll finish these pages while deciding what I want to draw next.

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>>7927158
easy to follow coherently in a incoherent world. props for that.
my thoughts in order as i see them:

page 3-4 little fella falling, then what goes into a black and white sequence, as it stands now it looks like these are unfinished pages. you need a b/w panel next to a coloured panel to tell us its a intentional, and with the b/w you should push your blacks more, as it looks now it looks crazy over exposed. which doesnt seem to line up with page 6's vibe

page 8, i think i'd like a whole panel of the weird face phone alone, its alien to us, but obviously not to gnome, i dont think i need his reaction, especially considering he immediently picks up the reciever, same with page 3, maybe panel 1/2 can be condensed, single shot of device "ive come to etc..etc." said off screen, phones response is what is important at this point. then you can swap focus to gnome when he says his iconic™ line: i am gnome. it gives it more gravity.

page 12 reads as sterile, like seeing an accountant, if this is intentional cool. if we are meant to feel something push the blob guys panels to make him seem more imposing, the gnome is very small comparatively. you do it page 14 panel 2, i dont see why ever shot of him cant be massive.

page 17 panel 1, could read better, blobs pose is kinda stilted, and the gnome could be more exaggerated, too far of to the left, rule of 3rds etc.

every time gnome like grazes him i dont really read it as that, i only know from the panels following. also i i'd like the laser to have more white in it (this is probably just me) but i picture the lightsaber effect, you could even push the dynamic lighting of it.

page 18, i want a long shot of the lazer curving behind him as he stands in front of it.

page 20-21. i get the idea, its like the cool samurai, death after impact moment. but i still dont understand what happened to him, as shown the laser very clearly misses.

page 21-22, does killing man open the butt portal? or is that just now-

>>7927526
Yeh probably having a v-tuber penny making conspiracy videos to promote the comic could be good to get more eyes on ot, but I don't really want to spend my time doing that.

>>7927511
>using "terminally online" to dismiss an appraisal of a social media receptiveness to something
holy retard

>>7927367
More like your first 5 or 10 manga, really. Even fucking Toriyama had flop after flop when he was starting out.

>>7927158
>>7927532
>part 2

his next destination to go to, if yes it does open portal, i want a more obvious transformation of dead bloody corpse turning into portal, if no, i want context of where this portal came from.

i can't tell if gnome is calling gun junk or the thing he just exploded junk. its also reading weird he ever 'holstered' the gun. i read it as him tossing it. but he has it later, he summons it or whatever, seems like he tosses it to just pick it up 5 pages later.

page 23, is it falling on him, i need a panel of him maybe him being small on the horizon and the big thing plummeting

as i said before is page 24 a scene change?

my eyes glaze over alittle in the following part, obviously we the viewer aren't meant to have context yet, and you get very surreal, my only comment is. with such otherworldly concepts i think you really REALLY need to push the absurdity.

31- does the gnome travel far to find the bug girl? all the headless things are point at him, as far as the horizon goes, but when he meets her, they are facing her. maybe an extreme long shot with these things as far as the eye can see, and him traveling through it, as he notices the clues.

back to us without context:
34- i dont know why he spares the bug, but i think there should be more emphasis on her lil sympathetic eyes, the story should slow here. just for a page or two, it feels like it wants to be more climactic not just a corner panel.
he tosses the gun again, if he had it the whole time it would be more impactful when he discards it here.

35- he obviously realises or discovers something. even if we dont get to know why yet, i want there to be a clue, as it reads now he is kinda just an agent of chaos meandering through the weird world, could he say something that can hook us to why his business is only NOW over?

37- panel 4 and 5 (the bug girl) could be compressed. it reads alittle disjointed because of the layout, it seems to sequential.

Promoting a comic or manga is easy, just pull up your bootstraps and go to every person who you want to read your work and give them a firm handshake

>>7927158
>>7927552

ending is fine,

my final thoughts

its like eyerapingly colourful, my issue is so much detail is lost in just blobs of incoherent colour, it also struggles from looking like it was painted in microsoft paint,
you are depicting a real radically alien world then what we know, i'd love to see some more media or thought put into that. i want it to read as REALLY uncanny, so many times do i wish i saw like a hyper rendered 3d environment or claymation looking blob,
its really glossy, it lacks texture in rendering. everything is hard brush(low opacity) or airbrushed, it makes it look unfinished what should be uncanny reads as unappealing.
i think the lighting is the big issue in this, it really flat, really sterile and even lit, where shadows are used they are just blurry blobs,

i want some some definition, i want to know where something starts and where something ends.

-knight/chef sex guy

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Making manga panels to pour my tism

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>> 7926038
cont.

the girl aint right. (bitches doth be crazy)

>>7927097
look at your pages, and blur your eyes, thats what is taking focus, background trees and the guys hair. i get its gonna be coloured but the big black blobs are so consuming.

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done with these

>>7927472
good luck on making a comeback

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>>7927607
Yeah thats true, I'll tone it down with the guys hair, and I'll try and find a way to draw the trees better. I'll try and find a middle ground between completely black trees, and detailed ones, cause I dont wanna keep having to put all this details into the trees, but I also dont want them to draw eyes into them. I spent awhile before in the scene in picrel drawing trees

>>7927666
please fix the shading on her back leg in the bottom left panel she looks like she has a massive cock yes I'm a faggot

>>7927700
she?

>>7927701
also yeah ive been going through some of the inks as ive been coloring so ill redo that a bit

>>7927701
>she
my bad

>>7927709
nah just kidding she a girl

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>>7927703
some ideas for readability in the future

>>7927744
Looks awesome, ill use this as a ref for my next pages, especially the trees

>>7927570
That girl in the side view is pretty cute. Where can I follow you?

>>7927309
woaah this is soo good looking, I haven't gotten fanart before, thanks so much!

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>>7927505
Ironically this is not far from the truth

The typical 2000's webcomic look is a style born from people who liked anime of the 80's and 90's. The big poofy hair, the vibrant colours, the wacky expressions. And so they copied it. I'm copying it too... but I'm very well aware of how bad these comics look. At best you can say they have soul, but you can never place them even remotely on the same level as what they're inspired by.

I think alot of is down to a few things.
Their colours are TOO vibrant, it's garish.
Their compositions are very sitcom etc, not cinematic.
Their lines are too lazy, they'll do things like drawing an arm that's going off screen but the lineweight will be such that it's clear they only drew it up to the border of the page, and not actually going off screen.

I want to, if possible, avoid looking like an 2000s webcomic and look more like the 80's/90's anime that inspired it

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>>7927769
cont
I think the biggest thing is the webcomic tendency to treat the art as symbols rather than something real.
Where the characters details have become soo formalised that you can hardly draw them from another angle or with different lighting. Line A to Line B, and so on.
This goes along with the sitcom esque compositions, they'll always be drawn from the same viewing angle.
This is maybe fine for a comedic or political webcomic... but what it really lacks is a sense of realism.
In the anime that inspired alot of this style, despite their extreme stylistic details like giant spiky hair and pointy noises, they always maintain a sense of realism. That pointy nose has dimension to it. That spiky hair is real hair, it blows in the wind, it gets wet, etc.
And then the lighting and shot composition is always cinematic. There's hardly a colour palette for the characters, they'll be a different colour in every scene as the lighting dictates.

I think the key to success for me, with this style, is to embrace the same love for 80's/90's anime.... but just do it properly.

>>7927472
I disagree with the other anons, I think Cosmic Crush has the potential to be very popular amongst women of that sort of tumblr type crowd.

You say it's dead in the water, but how can you even judge it? There isn't a single chapter made yet. It's not dead, it hasn't even been born yet.
You can consider it dead in the water after you've made like 10 chapters and have no views. But I don't think that will happen, I think it would be a hit.

>>7927472
cant you try and get it published as well as being online? That'd boost the populariity, even if the book doesnt sell well, the fact its published somewhere means something.

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>>7927782
look at some of the stuff that gets published, you def could

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>>7927783

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Since this is the first page of the new chapter, I tried to put extra effort into it.
One of my goals for this chapter is to make it interesting to someone who doesn't know who any of the characters are, so this chapter can feel like the start of a volume.

>>7927760
ranggajati_ on X. But I rarely post manga panels so don't get your expectations high.

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I've made a fair bit of bonus art and some pages to flesh out certain parts more.
I'll post the version I'm going to submit to the contest tonight, since the deadline is looming.
After that I intend on doing deeper fixes and giving this thing the ending I actually wanted.

>>7927825
That loos interesting. I lie the style of the character on the left. ind of reminds me of oldschool anime like Galaxy Express or something.

>>7927863
Huh, you already follow me.

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>>7927909
based

>>7927909
I already followed you? I wouldn't ask who you are but hello there

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As an artist, how much of a say should I have on the story compared to the writer? Should I let him take all the creative decisions?

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shit i left some german in my english translation when i posted it on instagram

>>7927946
You should be as close with your writer as humanely possible.
You're not doing two separate jobs here, you're both making a single work. There is writing to be told through art, and there is art to be shown through writing.

When making the plan for a chapter, you should both be making it together at the same time, either in a discord call or in person, going back and forth about how to produce it.

If the relationship is just "here's the story, get back to me next week with it drawn" you'll forever be at a disadvantage compared to people who either write and draw it themselves, and people who work together as a tight team.

>>7927946
>>7927956
Also it should go without saying that since you're both making the comic, then your opinions hold as much weight as your partner's.
If one of you is saying "don't tell me how to write" or "don't tell me how to draw", Or you're drawing it but you don't really like the story, or the writer doesn't really like the art... this is a disaster, you won't make it.
You need to be on the same wavelength. What you make needs to be something that you both think is the best possible thing.

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>>7927560
>>7927552
>>7927532
ooh thank you that was very insightful. I'll take notes and see what I can do in the next chapters. Cool gnome! I'll treasure it

>>7927946
Ideally a lot, but writers think their ideas are finished, that's why their seeking an artist. They think artists are like construction workers building their project to code. How dare you think you have a better idea than then? If its not his idea then what do you need him for?

They'll tell you what to change in your drawings to fit THEIR vision. Yes I'm overhating.

>>7927777
I have to follow the quads of truth. I've thought of cutting my losses and quitting this project alot but people online and irl tell me to continue so I keep going. Oi took awhile to develop a fanbase too. I like what I have planned for the story going forward but atleast I know I need to finish the first chapter/oneshot. Even if it goes nowhere, I'll have something finished to show people and it's good practice and experience to improve my skills for future projects. Thanks for the encouragement.
>>7927642
Thank you, I'm just happy to get new pages out after a long time making nothing and hope to continue the momentum.
>>7927782
I've only had bad experience working with publishers early in my career which is why I only self publish and sell my books on Amazon and at cons now. I could try to work with an indie publisher but those pay nothing. Pragmaticly i don't think my work is good enough yet + I don't have the connections to get published by a company that does pay like Scholastic or First second, plus being a straight white male editors at these companies publicly state they don't want to publish work of people of my demographics.

My main sellers are my 3 eyed cat comics like Purrvana and a Song of Mice and Fur. They're evergreen sellers and appeal to every demographic- the audience is people who like cats-bikers, tumblerinas, zoomers, stoners, art schoolers, gen alpha, menial reddit types and moms and grandmas all like and buy them. I'd probably have more success if I only drew funny animal comics.

>>7927984
Penny Perez's design is basically an amalgam of the type of girl who buys my cat comics at conventions. 10+ years this type of girl with colored hair, weird baggy clothes and cat lady stoner/acid head lifestyles are my best customers. Fashion keeps changing through the years but these type of girls always show up to my table and keep buying cat comics. My friend who helps out at my table at shows realized early on that simply asking "do you like cats?" to girls with dyed hair and handing them a copy of Purrvana lead to an 80% chance of them buying a comic or print. Thank you rainbow haired stoner catlady girls for keeping me in business all these years.

Oi usually sells poorly at comic cons but outsells the cat books at anime cons.

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>>7927987
*forgot to post pic

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got this done tonight. hatching probably isnt the best so ill go over that more tomorrow. ive been putting of studying too much probably

>>7927984
>menial reddit types
*meant to say Millenial reddit types-

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>>7927987
I'll have to keep that in mind if I ever get around to conventions. always alot of interesting people walking around.

Also shame about the publishers, I've heard alot of negative stuff about the publishing world, and them abusing their talent. Funny how this straight white male stuff works too. Managements still mainly straight white men, but all the new hires are ethnics as they have to fill out quotats (usually legally, or in order to secure gov contracts). Older white guys shut the door on us, they get to keep their jobs, and we get left out in the cold.

Anyway, maybe see if you have success in sexy animal comics instead

>>7927994
The majority of editors at UK and US publishers are middle aged white women now. Marvel and DC still have mostly old straight white man editors.

>>7927987
what are your experiences with printing a comic? what site did you use?

>>7928009
I use Mixam (highest quality for small print runs, great customer support), printed in Taiwan for a large hardcover print run of Purrvana after softcover copies sold so well (actual books cost 5 cents each, customs, broker and shipping fees were insane) and Amazon printing (lowest quality but customers don't seem to care, hardcover are expensive but surprisinglt decent quality).

>>7928014
I have to add with Amazon what I like about it is the black and white printing and paper quality most closely mirrors tankobon. Mixam is too nice when it comes to high quality paper and print quality if you want your finished book to look and feel like a tankobon. Mixam is better for high quality color printing. Amazon is cheapest but you have to upload it on the Amazon kdp program which is extremely annoying and finnicky, especially if you don't have any experience with print design.

>>7928014
>>7928016
thanks for the info

>>7927766
yw, Satan
I wanted something to warm up and felt like the character would be fun to draw, it was

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Finally got off my ass and finished the next chapter. It's up at www.readpristine.com if interested.
I've also been slowly working on an idea for a shorter chapter, unrelated to this main story, to get some more trad mileage going. Hope to do it all trad eventually, with the exception of screen tones.

>>7928053
I enjoy reading Pristine, anon. Good fourth chapter.

>>7927783
>>7927784
Sovl

>>7927946
Depends on how collaborative the process is supposed to be. How much of a say do you think the writer should have on your art? If it's the writer's project and you're the hired help then I wouldn't stray any farther than suggesting potentially more fitting ideas for how the picture conveys the writing, when needed. If it's a joint effort then you should both be treating it as one project done by one unit instead of just "I do the writing, you do the drawing." I don't like having to draw as part of a team if I'm not a fan of the writing which is why I've learned enough to do my own writing, so if that's not the route you want to take then good luck.

>>7927759
Glad you like, my main issue was the readability of the panels, used the black to direct the eyes to the important features, there's a lot of detail everywhere so the focus gets lost. In the future it may help with saving your stamina to block in the ink in first and then start adding hatching once you're satisfied with the solids.

>>7927784
>>7927783
Majority of published works in Western countries don't sell more than a dozen copies. Those publishers survive on a handful of big hits that subsidize literally tens of thousands of others (plus many govt. grants). Getting printed is cheap and not a measure of success

You really think people are out there paying money for your picrel?

>>7927784
Has promise
>>7927783
Doesn't know how humans gesture or speak

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>>7927607
they have to fuck soon. but ive just had her have a severe panic attack, and he is a pious dude, there is no realistic world in which they now have sex.

i've really ensured that no sex will happen in my porn comic. if they dont fuck i've failed at the literal only hurdle to step over, if they do fuck the writing feels like it takes a nosedive.

>>7927783
>>7927784
I dont have enough ugly or black people in my comic

>>7928320
Did you not go in with a plan on how they're going to fuck? My dude you had such an easy ramp with him cutting down those dudes in front of her. It was as easy as
>I've protected your honor my lady!
>Thank you sir knight, and now for your reward *fondles crotch*
Porn storytelling isn't too difficult, given people are willing to accept somewhat unrealistic progression for the sake of just getting to it already, but it does demand at least some level of forethought...
But also, just what exactly is the core fantasy of the sexual encounter you're planning here? Is it supposed to be the power fantasy knight in shining armor saving the princess and being rewarded with sex? Genuinely asking.

>>7928305
>You really think people are out there paying money for your picrel?
Not that anon, but I always wonder how these people get these kinds of books out in bookstores. The publisher has to know this crap isn't gonna sell, yet it's available for purchase via store distribution.

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>>7928328
yes of course.
the base plot is damsel in distress, fucks knight.

but i wanted to avoid the trope of near sexual assault/trauma girl feels 'empty' then fucks the guy that saves her.

So i started developing their character more so they had a better chemistry and kinda tapped into a shared ptsd/trauma bond angle, and to establish that the porn got pushed back further and further. now we are at the point that i feel like the tension is its highest and they SHOULD fuck, and the characters are giving me no indication they should.

>just what exactly is the core fantasy of the sexual encounter

woman in time where women are kept submissive, being modern day slutty submissive, cant fix herself so wants to fix ptsd old knight.

i'll work through it, im just whinging.

>>7928320
I was about to say that. At this point it seems a bit seedy to have sex with a woman that traumatised.

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>>7928320
>>7928343
My brother in Christ just do what comes naturally man. If your instinct was to do something more dramatic and serious just go with it. Something that started out as being a hentai but actually developing into something more happens all the time, hell theres plenty of stories like that from japan all the time. Like off the top of my head I think of this anime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqibQSTVEY
And off the top of my head Dont Tease Me Nagataro was just a hentai premise but turned into high school romance crap.
Dont fight what you got going cause you intended for something else originally, just go with the flow cause any solution to jam in your original intention will just come off as awkward.
Plus, there are solutions, the most obvious one(which will now require more work that you werent planning Im aware) is an epilogue. Wrap up however you see fit, and revisit these characters in another time and place. Like there are actual manga artists out their after they wrap up their stories they go on and make "official" hentai after everything is wrapped up.

>>7928320
Do a timeskip after he finishes rescuing her, just have it be implied he checked up on her and now that time has passed she's ready now.

>>7928343
>but i wanted to avoid the trope of near sexual assault/trauma girl feels 'empty' then fucks the guy that saves her.
The issue here is that you still went with all the setup for this angle anyway, but didn't actually use it. So now it reads like it isn't supposed to be porn because we got to the part where the porn happens, but no porn happened.
Now that you've established that they aren't going to fuck just like that, you need a new ramp into a porn scene. You could use a mental breakdown as a ramp into a porn scene (she's not thinking straight/acting against her better judgement) but there's three issues with that:
1. getting fucked by a hot crazy chick is a different fantasy from the white knight fantasy
2. you've depicted it too seriously to the point where it would read more like a dark and gritty rape scene rather than fap material
and 3. the knight guy has been established to not be the type to go along with this anyway.
You've written yourself into a corner. This is what planning is for, to avoid writing yourself into corners like this.

>>7928349
Nta but I can't into making sex scenes unless there's decent contextual build up, if it's just skipping ahead too far from the initial story told then it feels too pointless and detached.

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Still refining this bullshit. Previous iteration had no limitations or costs for the powers. I boasted a lot about matching themes with the system but the previous versions had no duality to it. There was no line between what the heroes and villains were doing when that's supposed to be important for my story.

>>7928338
Nepotism, 9 times out of 10. They're somebody rich person's niece, daughter in law, stepdaughter, etc who wants to be a writer instead of getting a real job. For bigger things that actually get pushed / marketed, it's almost always a propaganda project out of Langley or Patterson or something.
That's true of pretty much the entire entertainment industry in the West, less so in Japan because they don't get the same amount of tax subsidies to be able to tell customers to fuck off (yet).

Question, can stuff published through patreon or fanbox be licensed by publishers? I know free webcomics can be but what if it was paywalled or partly so?

>>7928363
Depends on the publisher. But generally speaking, to my knowledge, the very most basic thing a publisher is looking for is exclusive distribution rights. That is to say, they don't want to be competing with anybody to sell the same book, including the author themselves.

>>7927642
really nice layouts and art. Your double page spreads are sometimes a little hard to read at this size when you update mmg

>>7928338
first world countries have subsidaries and programs that help people publish things to enrich libraries and bookstores, even the crap stuff because I guess theres always some value in stories, even mid ones.

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Two panels comics are tricky to pull in term of getting the story connects

>>7928360
Oh no, I get that(in concept anyway have never drawn smut) but thats why I said its gonna be extra work. Granted the situation would require pages on reflection and introspection rather then an actual plot progressing, but yeah it would be another chapters worth of work

>>7928338
>The publisher has to know this crap isn't gonna sell
I dare say they know better than you what sells and what doesn't.
When you look into different industries and get the actual data on what people pay for, it's always disappointing.