>>7940569
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7940570
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7940572
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

>>7940569
>studying good
>access to information...BAD
Lot of hypocrisy in just one page.

>>7940593
>how do you indicate monotony, if you had to adapt Groundhog day, how would you convey the dire repetitiveness that is meant to be grinding to the protagonist but not grating to the reader.
Do what Endless Eight did and just redraw it all despite the repeating events, complete with different outfits and variations of dialogue. Try some moderate twists on events like a character acting before a different one had previously, maybe show a build up to people realizing things aren't quite right if that's where the story is headed. EE catches a lot of flak for good reason but it also doesn't get enough praise for what it did right.

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How much do we actually care about making our works resemble manga? Not just in terms of style but also techniques: using half-tones in place of hard shadows, Ben Day dots, using only shades of black and white, that kind of thing.

I personally have no plans to ever print anything I make. But if people are turned off by the fact my work doesn't look like it could be printed, it might be worth reconsidering. Or just turning saturation down to zero, but you didn't hear that from me.

>>7940633
If you want to use manga techniques to make something that resembles manga, then make a manga. If you just want to do your own kind of comic but value this place because there's informative feedback from people who care to know what they're talking about, that's a valid use of the general as well.

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>>7940633
I never cared that much about it, I just happened to like monochrome comics and most of my comic consumption is manga. So drawing my own comics how I like just naturally results in a manga-like work.

>>7940641
>So drawing my own comics how I like just naturally results in a manga-like work.
Dingle's just like me fr fr

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>>7940633
I like the look of manga, so I naturally gravitate toward a lot of its techniques, but I don't go out of my way to try and draw in a stereotypical "anime" style with the big eyes and expressions.

>>7940593
Thank you for the tips, this general is very helpful

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>>7940633
>How much do we actually care about making our works resemble manga?
Without trying to get too manga-vs-comicy about it...
I believe that most of what makes manga look like manga is actually simply that it looks good.

It's like if only one country in the world knew how to build functioning bridges,
you would be able to tell that their bridges are from that country simply because they haven't collapsed,
but that wouldn't make it some unique style of bridgebuilding that belongs to that country,
rather that's just what a functioning bridge looks like.

In manga, the column gutters are thinner than the row gutters, this makes it easy to tell which direction to read in.
Is that a stylistic choice? or is that simply a good idea?

In manga they use speed lines to communicate movement, dramatic moments, emotion, tension, etc.
Is that a stylistic choice? or is that just a good idea?
Do you know a better way to communicate those things without speed lines?

In manga they draw characters with exaggerated features, ie cartoony.
Because the nature of the medium means most of the drawings are very small,
and have to be drawn quickly, so it is far easier to convey expressions if they are drawn with bigger eyes, mouths, etc.
This one is arguably the most describable as a stylistic choice... but it's also a good idea.

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>>7940673
cont
pic related is a Japanese IP but drawn by a westerner.
The character designs are obviously anime with the big eyes and massive red hair,
but most everything else is western. It's in color, the speechbubbles are oriented horizontally, and there's no gutter spacing variation.
There are speed lines though, and I think the page would be arguably much weaker without them.

Personally I think the preference of manga to be binary black and white with dots for midtones is unnecessary.
It's a technical decision, it's quicker to draw and cheaper to print, but what artistic impact does it have?
There is definitely some dramatic flair that black and white has, thinking of black and white photographs or movies...
but even in the modern day, filmmakers can selectively utililize black and white in their movies for that same dramatic effect, without filming the whole movie in black and white.
Furthermore anime, which is very closed linked to manga, is not black and white,
and often the presence of color adds to the artistic merit of the piece.

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>>7940677
The use of color in pic related, Cowboy Bebop adds to its artistic merit. It's an anime original but could just have easily been a manga adaptation... but its manga counterpart would have been black and white

>>7940673
>In manga they use speed lines
Not to be yet another Bone dickrider since it's not the only example, but that guy was pretty great at conveying movement with minimal use of speed lines by mostly just showing the characters and stuff in motion and the effects actions had on the surrounding environment. I don't think speed lines are inherently bad but a lot of manga's overuse of them is a stylistic choice, especially in weekly stuff where they don't always have time to do backgrounds so they fill the space with speed lines.

>>7940677
>but what artistic impact does it have?
Besides the aforementioned cheaper production, lack of color can force one to make designs that stand out better so if it's recognizable in b&w then it's potentially even better in color. Not that you need monochrome as a crutch to achieve this, but for example one of my favorite comics was Priest's Deathstroke run and there were times I couldn't tell certain characters apart without context since they were drawn similarly despite it being in color and I think they would have taken more care to diversify those designs if they had to do it in b&w.

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drafting hefferchu + lining penguin comics
any feedback is welcome!
https://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/
https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams

>>7940752
Thanks, gonna use some of those videos for ref. I got no idea how to do most manga tones

>>7940775
It's like a cartridge, you have to blow on it to make it work.

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Hows the color look compared to just having screentones? Honestly ive found putting color over it takes less time than screentones, and the few people ive been showing this too irl, think colors better

Also yeah gonna have to redo the gun here, looks lazy

>>7940797
>>7940798
I'll say it looks better. Plus if it takes less time that's a very compelling reason to just stick with colors.

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>>7940797
I don't think screentones methodology perfectly translates over to color
That is to say, you can't just color in the screentones.
color manga pages do this alot and in my opinion it looks terrible.
They haven't fundamentally changed how they render their pages, they've simply replaced screentone layers with color layers.

Black and white adds a somewhat abstract effect to the art, it's less realistic and your brain fills in details. Backgrounds being a good example.
The bottom left panel in pic related has no background. In black and white this is fine, you would still interpret the character as being in the room drawn in the panel to the right. But in color... it's just white, he's in a void, not the room.

Situations like this demand that you be more realistic in your rendering when using color, you can't get away with leaving out details like you can in black and white.

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>>7940808
cont
This character here is drawn with black hair in black and white. But he actually has brown hair, so in the color versions of the manga, he is still drawn with the same black hair, but now the highlights are colored in brown. It doesn't look great. It looks far better in black and white, or in the anime version which was drawn with color in mind frm the beginning.

With your page, I think the first panel in >>7940797
would look fine without the background if it were black and white, but with color I feel like it's lacking.
You don't have to draw a full background, but I think there needs to be more indication of where the characters are.

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>>7940816
I notice in anime adaptations of manga, they will often include a background where in the manga none was present.
Pic related very likely did not have a background, but just the rough indication of texture, and the right color of the background is all that is needed to make it feel grounded.

In the manga, which would be black and white, this was almost certainly just a white background.
And I think that if the manga were color, the same need for some indication of a background would be present.

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>>7940797
I think it serves you better, but now you might be lacking abit of drama, or contrast, I know its a night scene, but its all getting very muddy.
the muzzle flash from the gun will be so overexposed in the dark, really cool opportunity to play with the harsh shadows.

also we're all aussie here, you dont have to call it color.

>>7940821
h-how did you know I wasn't American?

>>7940808
>What do you think, Raito-kun?
That's not how they say it in my rub-a-dub-dubbed aneemays

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>>7940823
your cops are aussie, and your old man protagonist has a mullet worthy of a bloke down the pub.

>>7940826
red rorry yerrow rorry red rorry yerrow rorry the Japanese are terrible

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i'm not finishing this tonight. i'm lazy and want to play skyrim.

>>7940829
love this drawing.

>>7940752
the establishing shot is hilarious

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Fuck i just wrote some long ass essay, it fell asleep for a second while i was talking to a coworker , and it just reset the whole page
>>7940808
Lotta good points, definitely right with the first page, I’ll add texture, or draw the background if im not satisfied.

I’ve been using rohan at the lourve and the long halloween as my main references, and they’re relatively simple with their coloring, but they either have more contrast with alot of blacks, or a more watercolory background that makes it more interesting.

>>7940821
That looks really cool. I aint coloured the whole scene, so when im doing that I’ll experiment with dark values and actually learn how to colour highlights. Im not certain if i want it to be that dark, I’ve been stealing colours from Ghost in the Shell, and that tends to be pretty light during the night scenes, especially with skin color, but ill have a play around, could look more cinematic, and i do really like that contrast

>>7940829
Good to know he visibly looks aussie, he’s sorta meant to represent the corruption of the aussie spirit, boomercore, also >>7940823 aint me

>>7940823
Hey, only im allowed to impersonate other people, Jake’s my creation, you’d better not copy me

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Also wanna reiterate, fucking hell Rohan At the Lourve is so beautiful

>>7940680
I think speed lines are mostly a time-saving measure, that is, they are literally used for "speed"... it's cheaper than a real background, but still looks better than just a white void. I don't have the brutal deadlines of a mangaka so I don't see a reason to not draw real backgrounds.

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>>7940906
It's economical, but it's also the best way.

Can you think of a better way to convey the sense of speed in pic related that isn't speed lines?

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>>7940908

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>>7940908
Composition here probably could be better, but should be good enough to communicate the idea

I'd move the camera farther out, showing the entire vehicle, so that I can show it partially levitating at a dynamic angle
I'd use posing for the characters to make it look more like they're holding on to their dear lives... I understand in the original panel the hero(?) was meant to have a cool moment or something, but I'd lose that, it's nonsense, and it's the major thing that's fighting against the idea that the car is in motion and the speed lines are a crutch for that
Add some floating objects in mid-air
People reacting

It's more fun this way, is it not?

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>>7940920
>It's more fun this way, is it not?
Yeah, until you remember that you have a deadline to meet.

>>7940920
You took a relatively quick small panel and turned it into something big and busy and more time consuming.

>>7940922
>>7940923
That was kind of my whole point
The speed lines are there to save time, but if you have the time there are always ways to make things better

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Are there any other example of doujinshi storyboards?

>>7940924
Yeah but it's not really a replacement for a small panel just showing the character chuckling...

>>7940927
Unless there's a writer who insists details like that to be there you can just change the script to make it more visually interesting.

>>7940929
you can't make every panel a detailed dynamic panel. That's western comics logic.

>>7940931
You can't tell me what to do!

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>>7940920
That's one way of doing things but like >>7940923 and >>7940927 said, it's just a quick panel and even if there was more time to work on it, it shouldn't be needlessly busy especially for something like DB where visuals being easy to digest is one of its highlights. I think the compromise between speed lines and backgrounds is not to do something completely different for no reason but to combine aspects of both in ways that compliment one another, such as turning parts of the background into speed lines. This way it isn't just lines but a recognizable shape, and it doesn't draw too much attention to itself because it's mostly out of focus while conveying the idea of speed. As you can see here Yamcha is passing by a seminal DB monument which lets the reader know his general whereabouts at this point in time.

>>7940941
>I think the compromise between speed lines and backgrounds is not to do something completely different for no reason
Never compromise. Not even in the face of armageddon.

>>7940947
Everything about the medium is made of compromise.

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Damn I always kinda knew speedlines were bad but I never realized just how bad. I have to make another hard rule for myself, to never use them meme streaks even accidentally.

>>7940965
Just because there are alternatives doesn't mean you have to crash out over it unc

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>>7940941
the speedlines are just the background blurred, that's what they are

>>7940965
>always kinda knew speedlines were bad
They were never bad. It's literally just a technique to abstractly capture the concept of movement and/or motion blur.

>>7940990
I'll go back and erase all of them from my comic.

>>7941019
I don't really get this bit you've been doing for several threads now, but go on, maybe it will be funny or make a point eventually.

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The other main character of the trad practice side chapter. I wanted to make a full page drawing of both of them, which has been a really fun side quest. Time to start working on some actual pages now

>>7940677
i wish the paneling was a bit better cuz i actually think the art quality for the characters is super nice and expressive

>>7940816
>n. It doesn't look great. It looks far better in black and white, or in the anime version which was drawn with color in mind frm the beginning.
i disagree, i think linework with brown highlights feels much more tactile and visually interesting than the anime, i suppose the anime is more "realistic" or accurate in terms of being representational but there's a lot less going on there to me

>>7940823
Because you don't own any guns.
The slide of the pistol pulls back when fired

>>7940821
Suppressors all but remove muzzle flash, especially if that's a 1911 in the pic (could be a BHP, I dunno) so that's already going to have less than flash than like a 9
This is way too much light

>get no replies on my updates 4 times in a row.
>multi hour conversation about if speedlines good or not. The example shot being a character standing on a moving vehicle
everyone leaves cause there's no reason to post here kek.

>>7941176
I find these larp posts funny, and I appreciate you doing them. Keep it up, the thread shouldnt take itself so serious

>>7941176
>noo people are having discussions but ignoring me
what's your update you little bitch? I'll give you some replies

>>7941192
Nta anon but someone asked this in the last thread and got zero responses kek You braindead niggers don't even pretend to be interesting in the shit being posted here until its porn being uploaded and everyone knows this.

>>7941176
I don't have anything to say, assuming that this is Devil's Moon anon. I'm generally a quiet guy. *shrugs*

>>7941208
sure bitch

>>7941176
If you're devils moon, I think people are looking and liking what they see. There's no feedback to give because I think you've got the best comic here by far.

this damn captcha discourages me from making a post that just says "nice" and waiting 3 minutes

>>7941229
The captcha is in the best state it has been in years

>>7941208
most things posted here are bad and people don't want to be rude

>>7941245
If you've got complaints, you gotta name them, anon. What are your issues with specific comics? People ain't gonna get any better if you don't list issues.

>>7940984
I don't disagree, just saying you can mix and match ideas to produce more personalized imagery.

>>7941208
>You braindead niggers don't even pretend to be interesting
You say that but apparently you're so uninteresting that no one pays attention to you until you start shitposting

>>7941246
bad art and boring premise is enough to filter most people from giving it a chance to give any deeper critique maybe that's harsh but if you're getting zero feedback maybe it's time to go back to the drawing board

>>7941242
Yaeh but the cooldown and waiting is what annoys me more.

>>7940920
Your drawing may be more fun but it loses the sense of speed. You added whimsy and chaos, but you'd still have to add speed lines to your drawing to give it the same sense of speed as the original.

>>7941211
>>7941229
Every time I don't want to believe it's laundry he comes out of the woodwork to say "fuck you" and proceeds to rant and argue for the next three hours. I guess props for not hiding behind anonymity when you're expressing your opinions.

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>>7941211
I don't think it's a nice thing to assume, but also it's not a huge deal if no one really says anything because it's also good to see contributions to the thread. I guess i'm just happy to be here.

>>7941258
People give feedback here all the time when there are problems to address. But yeah theres an awkward middle period where someones art is good so there's no mechanical feedback to give but isnt interesting enough to get glazed or complements. It happens all over /ic/, like in /int/ threads.

>>7941176
I think the speedlines discussion is low hanging fruit. It's easy for many people to bring up their opinions on it.

But critiquing someone's comic is often difficult, so nobody dares

>>7941288
The other anon is also right, a comic has to be engaging and interesting enough to get someone to care to read it to have any critiques or comments in the first place.

There comes a point where you transition from trying to get feedback and advice, to instead trying to build an audience and I think a few anons have not realized they are in the second stage now. They need to start marketing themselves to see if ANYone is interested in their product, then come back once they decide the answer is "no" and get advice starting over with a new one.

Problem with critiquing a comic/story is that it's a whole lot of subjectivity and what I may find problematic in the content and delivery may be someone's else's cup of tea instead. It's not the same as pointing out that your elbow is objectively bending the wrong way or your perspective is fucked.

Half the shit that is being published and read in WSJ wouldn't get past me on a first draft, to be frank.

>>7941288
The speed lines discussion seems like disingenuous midwits trying to solve problems that don't exist, I've never seen people complain about speed lines before but in this thread you have compelling arguments like
>Toriyama should have just drawn something completely different that doesn't fit the scene at all
or
>Toriyama should have just used speed lines instead of speed lines
as if anyone here knows better than the GOAT.

>>7941300
am I supposed know who this ping pong nip nong pearl harbor bombing guy is

>>7941318
He's the creator of anime and the man who was inspired by manga legend Toyospico Tacotaro.

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>>7941229
>There's no feedback to give because I think you've got the best comic here by far.
I hope I can be forgiven for being completely blind-sighted by this comment. The last time I received comments on my work, I was being lambasted over my power system draft, and anons called me stupid for adding powers to an action series. There's a couple anons who support my work, and I see them. But my assumption was that a majority of people here still largely disliked my work, and do not vibe with any of it's elements. I agree with the feeling that artists here aren't getting enough attention considering I can't tell what people think about my work anymore. I feel like I've been left in the dark for weeks now.

I don't know how anyone feels about my powersystem rewrite, the last scene I just finished up. hell, this page got fully rewritten cause someone here said the original had cringey dialogue. I wish I knew how he felt about the current version.

>>7941300
>as if anyone here knows better than the GOAT.
I understand the discussion started because they were comparing techniques used in b/w over color, but then it became an argument about a non-issue, solved with much weaker ideas. Toriyama should be studied as a master, not treated as an nobody whose work needs to be "fixed."

>>7941300
The GOAT would never produce something like Daipa

>>7941342
He unbecame the goat with resurrection f

>>7941358
After you're a senior citizen you can't be at fault for milking your franchise and wanting to take care of your family. At that point you can probably barely even remember what you had for lunch yesterday, let alone write a good story.

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Is there a reason why only certain percentages of grays are often used for toning? Maybe to avoid moiré?

>>7941334
You only got the compliment because you were complaining earlier and fishing for it tho

>>7941374
No I wasnt??

>>7941334
Most people end up not commenting on your stuff and some others because we aren't at that level so we have nothing to add which is why so many replies to those are just hornyposting instead
>but some nodraws who don't read my comic said they don't like me
Oh no! Anyway

>>7941365
>Maybe to avoid moiré?
More what, anon? :^)

Do you guys really think your manga will get published and you get rich?
Not gonna happen. So why play it safe?
Why dont you make a right wing manga, about a fox boy who wants to become Furer and cleans his village from aliens?

>>7941436
Sounds stupid
You do it

>>7941436
Botched right from the start, if you want it to be based and redpilled then the mc has to be human and the other characters need to be furshitters.

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>>7941436
Nah, even in an unrealistic dream land scenario where some Japanese editor decides to publish any of my work, I would make peanuts at best. At this point I'm doing it for the love of the game.

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>>7941450

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>>7941436
I am making my entire work for a specific kind of demented person who might find joy in it and potentially post about how it's making them ill on tumblr. That is my mission.

>>7941450
>>7941451
If I had sex with him (I've considered it) the green alien head goes BACK ON.

>>7941334
>>7941176
Post what you have and I'll read it. I'm new to comic-making, but hopefully I can give some insight as a reader.
>>7941288
>>7941272
>But critiquing someone's comic is often difficult, so nobody dares
>Problem with critiquing a comic/story is that it's a whole lot of subjectivity
I think it's pretty easy to gauge their intended purposes just by looking at the work. More objective things like flow and clarity should be easier to critique if that's something anons have a problem with discerning.

>>7940925
If you search the tankoubon and sketch_lines tag on e-hentai you'll see a bunch of books with the sketches/storyboards. It's not really a doujinshi thing, it's more a commercial eromanga thing used to add value to a book.

>>7941123
Cute.
>Time to start working on some actual pages now
Yippee!

>>7941176
I rarely have much to say about pages and I'm not going to reply to every page that ever gets posted when I don't have anything to say other than a "nice" or "keep it up" or something.

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>>7941334
>I was being lambasted over my power system draft, and anons called me stupid for adding powers to an action series
My man you posted just wall of text infodumps about your power system. I'm really not sure what kind of response you expect for that.

>>7941166
my bad, im not gun guy.

>>7941436
>Why dont you make a right wing manga, about a fox boy who wants to become Furer and cleans his village from aliens?
Because I don't want to make a comic about that. I want to make a comic about cute girls.

>>7941450
>>7941451
Not trying to be mean and I say this as someone who had to catch this in my own work but do you find that you often use exaggerated cartoony faces to express characters' emotions or is it just for certain scenes like this? If nothing else, you pull off the looks well but I ask since looking at them gives me the feeling of having seen them before like in multiple anime.

>>7941483
Drawing cute girls is an inherently right wing stance

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>>7941530
you really can judge the politics and ethics of somebody by what they make, this is spirtiually jewish

>>7941536
I don't think it's spiritually anything, it has no soul lol

>>7941536
Ok I'll bite. What are the weird..... uh, goat.... demon..... whatever animals?

>>7941579
they represent the puberty of the main characters, and sing about degenerate stuff

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>>7941591
How do you get that pleasant (screen flickering) half tones across the whole page?

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>>7941520
I can't use exaggerated goofy effects too often or they'll lose their comedic effect. This is a goofy romantic comedy series so I'm really trying to play it up, and just focus on the characters and pacing the jokes right and making it land.
>If nothing else, you pull off the looks well but I ask since looking at them gives me the feeling of having seen them before like in multiple anime.
I'm trying to get the basics right with this comic and also my style just isn't very original. Ideally I'd want to be able to draw like Kaoru Mori or Shirahama but I'm pretty far away from that level at the moment. My next story which I still haven't decided on-it will probably be either a soccer story or another historic fantasy set in the same world as Oi bardic fury but in the Levant-I want to have better and more original looking art-that's still a ways away tho so I have time to get better. >>7941456
>If I had sex with him (I've considered it) the green alien head goes BACK ON.
That's his pilot helmet.

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>>7941597
>that's his pilot helmet
Well he'll need it
He's gonna go for a fuckin ride

>>7941520
>looking at them gives me the feeling of having seen them before like in multiple anime.
That is because it is more of a trope than being exclusive to any one anime.

>>7941631
Kids usually have bigger eyes so that makes sense.
>favorite character
Everyone had me convinced Sasuke was some focus test shit he was forced to keep in so I'm surprised to see the creator liked him that much.

>>7941633
People do say some bullshit.
Mostly posting it to remind people (and myself) to conserve their character design ninjutsu and keep things simple. I've been giving into the "make complex character designs that take a trillion years to draw" temptation lately

>>7941591
Where can I masturbate to more of your work?

>>7941658
In your house, preferably.

>>7941658
Just look at porn

>>7941597
Nothing wrong with taking cues from inspirations, but I think if you pull expressions from your own emotions and combine it with what you've already gleaned from artists whose work you like, you could make expressions that have just as much if not more impact while being more original to yourself. It might take you away from your art looking like those examples but not significantly and probably in a more satisfactory way because as someone who has tried drawing in others' styles, it's a lot nicer not to need to constantly look at reference images.
>I want to have better and more original looking art
That will come naturally I think, for me I found that while studying art and trying out different styles here and there I always gravitated in a certain direction so once I got comfortable enough with my skill level to start my comic I leaned into what my art was already trying to look like and that's worked out so far. You have a constructive approach so I'm sure things will work out for you, good luck with this and your future stories.

>>7941668
>>7941671
I can't keep masturbating without anon's COMIC you dork. Gimme the link to the COMIC or ELSE,

>>7941745
Are you the same anon who said he was gonna draw rough babymaking sex across something like 3 different threads in the last year? Did you ever draw it?

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I've reached the point in the writing of my story where I want to fully understand it and form a tight narrative.
But I'm having trouble juggling all the various pieces, the themes, the plot points, the character arcs, the pacing, etc.
It's become too big to just encapsulate in one thought. That's not to say I've made it too complicated, the base plot is still very simple, but now that I'm trying to actually flesh it out completely, there's alot.

How do you approach your story once it's reached this level of complexity?

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>>7941784
For example. it's around 100 chapters long, and each chapter needs to do a bunch of stuff.

Every character has an arc that changes their personality, starting from a position of immaturity or some flawed way of thinking, which is then challenged, ultimately forcing them to change and become better.
This is told slowly over the whole series, with a few select moments where big changes happen.
If instead I depicted a character gradually getting grey hair like Guts from Berserk, I'd need to know exactly how grey it's getting on each chapter .
In addition there are romantic developments.
There are themes for the story as a whole that need to be communicated both in every chapter but also across the story as a whole.
There are power/ability levels for the characters, they have to be the right level of strength in each chapter and progress at the proper rate.
There is the macguffin surface level plot, taking the characters to various locations and times of the year.
All these things have to fit together harmoniously without parts feeling neglected or muddled.
There's the pacing of the series, a big spectacle chapter needs to be surrounded by either calmer chapters or chapters that appropriately build up to it.
And ontop of it all, it has to be entertaining at a casual level without understanding of any of the finer details.

At the moment I'm trying to plan it out sort of like a graph, with the x axis being the progression of the story from start to finish, and the y axis being the character's progression, either positive or negative (such as for a romantic plot, going up means the relationship is getting better, and going down indicating moments where they're not doing so well)
But very quickly it starts looking like pic related, a total mess.

>>7941790
One specific thing I want to tell in my story is a unique take on the mentor-student dynamic.

Usually the mentor figure is someone who is already wise and guides the student through their journey.
But what I want to do is feature a mentor figure who on the surface appears to be useful, but in actuality is immature themselves, and it is only through their interactions with their student that they learn to become the teacher the student needs.

The mentor figure in the past resembled the student in terms of personality, but this immature personality led them to disaster, which they responded by adopting a coping mechanism personality. They hold this state when they first encounter the student and attempt to guide them in the same way. The student rejects the teaching and ends up facing the same disaster the mentor faced, but at a more severe level and as a result of their teaching. This causes the student to develop the same coping mechanism as the mentor, which amounts to depression, but through this experience, the mentor comes to understand himself and overcome his own coping state, which then enables him to be the best person to then guide the student, for he understands him more intimately.

Or something like that. In short, the mentor goes through the same character progression as the student, but the mentor is always one step ahead of the students progression and it is through intertwining that they both reach their character arc conclusions.

I need to fit this into my plot alongside other character's arc, as well as a bunch of other stuff. It's not terribly complicated, but it's become too much to juggle in one clear train of thought

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>>7941784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrRBZNpPAfk
In writing Breaking Bad they wrote out the entire plot onto index cards and pinned them to a board

>>7941790
>it's around 100 chapters long
Jesus, my series is planned for maybe 20 chapters or so at most, and will take me years to get there. What on earth, 100 chapters?! Goddamn.

>>7941784
>>7941790
>>7941795
What I do is focus on character interactions, if you think of the dialogue between people as they converse about themselves and the things going on you'll find it starts to fill space on its own whether it's a slow scene or figuring out puzzles or fighting. Also establishing shots, you can do a whole page of characters just getting from point A to point B, not to mention full page spreads for any big moments like if there's some romantic build up then you show the two or so characters and some impactful scenery around them or something. Also steal from real life, aside from sleep there's no skipping scenes so you can take from how you/others fill the time irl and use or expand on that in your story in whatever manner you see fit. I think what's best is not to see it as some daunting task required of you but as an opportunity to go all out and do as much with the characters and setting as you can imagine, within the confines of however it has to end.

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>>7941784
>>7941790
>>7941795
You sound like a total amateur who haven't finished any single story at all.
How about actually finishing a 31-55 pages one-shot first?
If you can't even make readers pick up a short story, what makes you think they would sit through 100 chapters of your pipe dream?

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Haven't posted here in awhile but I finally finished my manga! It's a sci-fi action manga about a mercenary who hates his line of work.

The final book is 530 pages and took me a lil under 2 years. You can read it here
https://mangaplus-creators.jp/titles/282408040322225130015389105

For anyone that is scared to start that they aren't good enough. You'll always look back on your old pages and not like them so just start now!

>>7941846
>The final book is 530 pages
You gonna release a book on Amazon or something? This is enough to fill out two full tankobons. And congratulations on getting it all out there, of course.

>>7941846
Amazing, havent seen you in a while, good to see youve been at such an insane pace

Mind if i ask how your so fast, i know some of the guys here are part time

>>7941852
I had a pace of about 1.5 pages per day. I work a normal job part time and the other time doing art commissions.

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>>7941784
It's difficult, but all art creation follows the same process of working in the largest steps you can and moving down smaller and smaller as you go. If you start with the fine details first you'll lose touch with what it's supposed to be. Tunnel vision must be avoided at all costs.
What i've learned which also plays roles in visual art is that if you have a solid foundation that makes it easier to know what's going to come next. How well do you know your characters? What's the setting like and what role does it play? Is there a central theme to tie things around? Failing to lay these foundations when you start will result in a flawed creation that can't be taken seriously.

pic unrelated

>>7941846
Congrats!

>>7941826
This anon is harsh but right. Stop worrying about every plot point in your epic story and just draw. You can never translate your prose 1:1 to manga form without cutting or changing some things. You'll also realize how stupid some parts are or need to add entirely new scenes to improve the pacing.

You should be focusing on the story within the chapter or part or oneshot you are currently drawing. Make sure THAT is a complete story that is satisfying to read, nobody cares about the epic reveal 20 chapters later or the deep themes within every character when there's only ten pages to see them. Save that stuff and when you get to the later chapters you'll be confident in what you want to do.

If you have 100 chapters planned then it tells me you've never finished a comic story before. Nobody has the time or energy to draw 100 chapters as a hobby, and if they do it will take years. It already takes pros 2 years to draw 100 chapters and they're being paid and have millions of fans cheering them on. See if you can split it up into parts that are more mangeable.

>>7941846
Dayum, grats

>>7941951
AI has more memory than any single human could possibly store in their own brains.

>>7941954
so AI has the most dicks in its memory? that's kind of gay

>>7941969
Having a penis is even more gay

>>7941781
I did yeah but I need to finish it

>>7940677
>>7940684
Sad that I missed out on a cool discussion. There was always a place for color in manga, but as aforementioned, the traditional methods of manga used for a long ass time have always been for circumventing production and time restraints. Purposefully going the black and white route isn't inherently bad, but it was never what made manga manga. Given the time and resources, I'm sure most mangaka would have embraced putting color in their works.

Is it better to draw in Grayscale then Convert it to Mono?

>>7942018
I like it when the comic is black and white but then you get color pages as a treat.

>>7942026
Depends on your drawing program. In CSP you can do that no problem.

>>7941594
no idea dude, its compressed and saved as a jpeg, i couldn't have less impact on how it turned out in that screenshot.

the screentones i've been using are the default textures of CSP but then turned to Half-tones, i prefer the subtle texture in them rather then just flat digital ones.

>>7941658
@Treellaux, I hate self promotion. and its been dead since 2022, but im going to try and get back on that horse now that im actually doing something tangible. i'll post some of my backlog there as I progress, y'know; so it doesnt just look like it came out of nowhere.

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>>7941591
very cool lighting, the white line on the arm closer to the light source really conveys that

>>7941123
looks good,good luck!

>>7940849
thank u, cool double page idea

>>7940765
hope it helps

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>>7941692
For this comic I haven't been using references for the faces, just the bodies and poses. I'm trying to just do the basics right and focus on not having any weak panels or pages. I agree the art is kind of generic and soulless looking, it's probably because I don't have much passion for the story anymore and am just finishing the one shot for the sake of finishing it. I think it's good, but it's not a story that's inspiring me to put my heart and soul in to it like Oi was.

What happened with Oi is the more and longer I drew the characters, the more I got their expressions correct because I understood the characters better. One of the main problems with Oi looking back at it as the art was really inconsistent panel to panel. Often I'd draw a few really good panels on a page but then some sloppy inconsistent ones too, and it brought the whole page down. I'm trying to work on being consistent and clean and not getting lazy and sloppy with panels.

As for the style I'm drawing with now, it is pretty generic. A lot of people tell me it looks like Toriyama, but I don't really think that, and I haven't read dragonball since I was a kid. I also get told that it looks like 90s/00s style, even though I don't really read any comics from that era. It is what it is. My next comic I start working on I want to develop a more unique style for. I need to find time to do some life drawing again, when I'm consistent doing that regularly, all my art improves, when I neglect it everything gets sloppy or bland.

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>>7941176
The last comment I got was just someone saying they wanted to fuck the MC of my comic and at that point personally I was done posting my shit here. Im aware thats a compliment around these parts mind you, not complaining, but if thats all Im getting then I take it Im on the right path.

You should view it the same way. I understand the feeling of being (You) starved but if no one is saying anything bad on here then you'll probably be fine when it gets posted to your audience

>>7942215
are you the aescast guy
nigga you draw cute girls what the fuck did you think was gonna happen

>>7942238
Actual Aecast anon here - no, >>7942215 is not me lol. I actually wonder which comic he's talking about.

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>>7940569
How can I draw more in a sitting or do more sittings a day? I get fatigued so easily. At this rate I'll be done my manga in 2045.

>>7942618
It varies for everyone.
Consider drawing like work. You work 8 hours a day, how do you manage? (or how does your boss manage you?

Some people have to listen to music, some people have to be talk to others, some people have to be in silence/be alone.
And the work itself, some people have to be doing the same repetitive task all day, some people are the opposite and have to keep switching it up every hour.
Some people thrive in easy jobs, some people demand a constant challenge.

There's all these variables and having the right kind of work makes or breaks you.
You have to find out what allows you to work more hours, and nobody can answer that, it's just self exploration.

>>7942621
Thank you.

>>7942618
What the other anon said plus if you can draw during hours when you have the most energy. I draw during work sometimes because I was always too tired to draw much after work.

>>7942786
The other day I found a weird hack, when I draw a full page and insert the text only after I finish the whole page (and not per panel) I seem to incur less fatigue, since my brain's context switches for the same one page are

drawing -> texting

as opposed to

draw panel 1 -> text 1 -> draw panel 2 -> text 2 .... etc 5-6 times

>>7942840
*Of course, this isn't tested long-term. It's possible that just the switch-up boosted my energy a bit because of how I wasn't used to this paradigm.

>>7942840
that's standard practice!!! But its good that you are now doing it, you can even do all the sketching for multiple pages at once before you begin inking.

>>7942840
Yeah if you can help it, it's easier on the mind to do one type of task (lineart, bg, text, etc) at a time for a page rather than do everything for one panel before moving onto doing everything for the next panel. Decision-making is what fatigues the brain so the less variation of decisions you need to make in a short amount of time the less tired you'll find yourself getting during the process.

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Looking for feedback on Detective Hefferchu Chapter 5:
on tapas/webtoons/pixiv/inkstra @ https://efsius.net
What is your fav joke/moment? I'll also be streaming for next several hours. Thank you!

Is there a way to share a 60 page storyboard here to get feedback? Though typing that I realised no one is going to be willing to read a 60 pages storyboard

>>7943111
Yeah you can make a pdf and upload it on an external site, but honestly, if it's just a storyboard you'd probably get better feedback from /lit/ or somewhere like that

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>>7943111
This is more or less what editors and friends are for.
Someone who will actually read 60 pages of half indecipherable scribbles.
But assuming you lack both of those things, here is probably the best place.

As the other guy said, a pdf works, you can upload pdfs to catbox I think. But lacking that you could just compile it into one big image (and upload that to catbox also to keep a high enough resolution that it can actually be read)

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>>7943111
>>7943131
Oh also, it's very likely that your storyboards are readable to only yourself.
This is a storyboard for a comic I didn't get around to drawing, I know what's going on, but nobody else does. If you want to share it with others for feedback, you should do a little clean-up pass over it all, maybe doing things like colouring in the sillouettes of characters, and labelling things like sword, car, sky, etc. And if the dialogue is important you should type it, handwriting in storyboards is always impossible to read.

>>7943132
also, I say this in the specific context of trying to get random strangers on 4chan to read your storyboard. It's in your interest to make it as easy to decipher as possible.
You can present a bunch of hieroglyphs to an editor or a friend and they'll make the effort to figure it out, but strangers on the internet will just give up after the first 3 pages

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I'm gonna try doing some speedlines on that mechanical arm later. I never did speedlines before. Wish me luck.

>>7943356
Either draw it but with the speedlines to begin with, or you draw the full thing, draw speedlines over it on a separate layer, then do some masking for the original thing.

>>7943132
3 people one of them a gremlin
throws some ball away
it meets fat guy
fat guy threatens
ball is smothered?
hot? ???
sword???????
throw it away, read book, ask, wonder, another fight...
...
-action garbage
-pistol, crossbow, sword...
hit, keep fighting, more action garbage...-
sword hits and throws guy away,,,
guy is defeated/under pressure...slain...
others talk. three warriors, it continues

Did i get it right?

>>7943356
Dude you GOTTA learn how to add more line weight variation and how to draw hands. That glove on the 2nd panel is killing me.

>>7943448
First panel*

>>7943448
It could be mitigated by simply moving the hand more to the back of the head so it that doesn't read as a claw hand if that's a problem, I don't personally see anything wrong with this panel.

On an unrelated note i'm happy to see the panels are no longer being drawn by hand but I can tell they're still being done individually and possibly without a ruler and my question is why

>>7942952
I'll take a look, always love this stuff

>>7943536
>they're still being done individually and possibly without a ruler
What do you mean? I just sketch the panels along with the scenes then use the square shape tool to make them.

he can definitely get away with using thicker lines, which would make the panels feel smaller and more compact, allowing him to draw more since it will feel like you're not drawing as many lines. For far away things you can keep the thin lines or even draw the distant objects at full size then shrink them down by selecting them, that will thin the thines out too.

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>>7943356
>>7943536
I think he mans the hatching. Instead of doing a bunch of lines he could of just done this, which takes way less time.

>>7943772
Oh wait I just reread the post. Yeah I don't really see an issue with the hand, frankly.

>>7943610
ah, I had a feeling you were doing this because the panels are misaligned. I'm not sure which program you use, but Krita got a recent update that lets you create gutters the same way you would in CSP. So basically what you do is you use the square tool for your main page area, and you can use the gutter tool to divide it into panels with specific widths.

https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/tools/comic_panel_editing_tool.html

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>>7942198
I don't think it looks as bad as you're describing, but artists gonna self hate. Do you think you can get a bead on what it is that makes you not quite as excited to work on this story? Even just from the one page, I like that the guy is a sperg, there's at least some nice energy in there. Characters who care that much about something are pretty good at driving a plot forward rather than just reacting to events.
>I'm trying to work on being consistent
I find it's easier not to draw your best all the time and instead find a happy medium between looking good and not taking forever to draw, saving going all out for important pages.
>it looks like 90s/00s style, even though I don't really read any comics from that era
Might be because it looks more like it's inspired by anime than manga.

>>7943951
DO A FLIP

>>7943951
Very nice texture and lighting

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Wip

>>7943951
https://youtu.be/lOEEpQwQhKE?t=17

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>>7942863
>>7942889

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I'm thinking of quitting 4chan and not posting my comic here anymore. There's just nobody left, I'm pretty sure the numbers are even lower than this and half the posters are just AI spambots.
But I don't know where else to go that has any sort of comic making community, that isn't also just a bunch of trannies

>>7944196
i feel like every comic we get here is great. the avid posters are all cool

>>7944196
>But I don't know where else to go that has any sort of comic making community, that isn't also just a bunch of trannies
There isn't any, at least any of the public facing ones. I've looked many times before and it's filled with a bunch of perma-/beg/s and the ones who can draw only post so that they can immediately slap you with a link to their private discord so they can get their egos massaged 24/7.

>>7944196
What are you even looking for here?
>>7941293 is right

>>7944196
>not posting my comic here anymore
And your comic is............?

>>7944324
The best one in the thread :-)

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>>7944196
>3/4th of ic user base lost in 5 years
Nodraw schizo niggers actually succeeded in driving everyone away HOLY FUCK

>>7944196
There's a ton of them, it's just that they're all filled with nodraws and trannies.

>>7944352
I'm sure the gigaleak and inviting the nodraw to end all nodraws didn't help

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>>7944196
I always find it a little goofy when people feel the need to announce their departures on an anonymous imageboard, but in this case I somewhat understand getting tired of the spam. There just isn't really anything anyone can do but use the extension and hide posts.
I don't really post much, but my experiences looking for other forums/groups/"communities" whatever you want to call them has been pretty terrible. They're just as bad at self regulating due to the nature of artists misunderstanding the difference between being critical but accommodating versus maintaining it under authoritarian sensitivity rules. The funny thing is when I was once rebuffed by a total snob in one of these communities no one bothered to step in or say anything despite the general air that group had of being helpful or nurturing or what have you. That's setting aside that all those side discords are insanely judgmental.

At their most productive people have graduated to closed off friend groups, this is probably why you don't see them at all. Not to be like "Well where else are you gonna go??" but you won't find places like this that are non committal AND free of nodraw menaces.

>>7944196

You made me think of all the random anons who posted their comic here once and got help and feedback. I wonder where they are now. Anyways that is the purpose of this general.

That speedrunning comic someone posted a few months ago was pretty cool, I lost the name of it and I'm on a new computer so I can't find it anymore, but theres so many comics people post only once for feedback that are a fun read because this place is like a bar. Just a hangout spot to get advice and motivate each other to push through the next day.

>>7944107
very cute

>>7944196
What's wrong lil guy? Let all your thoughts out. This is a safe space.

>>7944381
Yeah that's basically how I see it, but for the regulars this bar is like Cheers

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>>7941591
>>7943951
How do you manage such fine change with the screentones? This is probably just a skill issues on my part since im shit but when i try to do that my eyes just explode from looking at all that grey slops (not a manga, but I'm not sure where else to ask about screentone on this board)

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spread page from one of my prototypes.

>>7944451
Soul

>>7944381
>this place is like a bar
Yep. This sums it up.

>>7944196
If you can quit it, then quit it. There's nothing to gain here. This place is a prison, not a park.

>>7944352
What you're seeing is just the unusual high activity from Covid slowly trickling back down to normal.
Of course the changes to captcha making it harder for phoneposters/new IPs to post probably plays a role too.

>>7944451
Naisu

>>7944451
Another brazilian macaco? Welcome to the tribe meu amigo.

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>>7943753
And we're done. See you guys two months from now, when I have the motivation/find the time to make another page.

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>>7943951
first 2 pages finished (probably) already issues, (her leg is way short, I forgot to draw the window opening on the longshot, also my cintiq obviously doesnt have as wide a colour range as my main monitor so i'm noticing parts that I read as pure black coming out as 95% black.)

>>7944449
i'm sorry im not really sure what you are asking me. are you asking how I can draw the fine lines over the screen tones? if so; I don't. all the inking is done before I overlay the screentones.

>>7944456
soul? sorry i'm new here on 4chan

>>7944483
yo, wassap bro, bagulho é ruim e nois é pior ainda.

>>7944483
southern hemisphere owns these threads

>>7944496
>also my cintiq obviously doesnt have as wide a colour range as my main monitor so i'm noticing parts that I read as pure black coming out as 95% black.)
just hit that monochrome button man

>>7944496
I mean how do you do make the value change so well. As i said, it's really hard to see when using screentones, things visually start to blend a lot. Although i guess i could also just use colors first then covert it into tones later.

Either way, this looks really cool, the rainy mood on the bottom panel is top comfy

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>>7944532
I'm starting to learn to use only certain values of screentones. You can't just use any size, you gotta come up with like 3 or 4 and they should be spaced apart. I don't know the numbers but someone can probably help.

Also when people export pages, they export them smaller and the screentones start to blend nicely, too small though and it moires. Its just a quirk of digital since we're all used to screentones even when we are not going to print, but maybe if you resize your art you can see the values more clearly and its not a bunch of dots blinding you. You can see even at the huge size titty girl comic anon draws at, his dots are still much smaller than yours.

If you want smaller dots on CSP, increase the resolution of your canvas, it does not affect drawing but it will affect the screentone minimum size probably.

>>7944548
basically make smaller dots, and it wont be eyeraping

>>7944548
Cute and memorable face design

>>7944576
its just a repost of >>7944449 but 50% size. Screentones seem better this way but maybe there are other resize percentages that avoid moire

>>7944196
I stopped making comics and switched to writing when I realized that getting friends for this field is almost impossible. There's nobody to bounce my ideas back and forth with. Either get into illustrations or get into writing but comics is both in a way that's too much for one person to handle.

>>7944685
fuck drawing, writing is the most fun anyways. someone else will draw my story if it's good enough anyways

>>7944488
>>7944496
Lookin' good

>>7944685
>too much for one person to handle
Speak for yourself.

>>7944700
We're on a dry spell for competent writers anyways. People focus too much on drawing because of how extremely stimulated we all are but comics are only mainstream in Japan because they have an actual tradition regarding it there while it has no popularity elsewhere because nobody cares about telling an actual coherent story. I'd actually go as far as to say as your art can be mediocre as long as the story is actually engaging.

>>7944704
If you have anything substantial to talk about it is. Living in isolation while you torture yourself doing multiple jobs without pay is awful. That's also why most of you are miserable to hang around with and make no efforts in forming authentic friendships.

If you look at the standards of what passes for "writing" in comics, and I'm talking about actual professionally made stuff like the big two, no the bar is not high.
Most of it is total nonsense.
And you get slightly better stuff from Japan only because of the sheer volume of content that is being produced. The vast majority of manga is also garbage in terms of writing.
So if you think writing is easier and you enjoy it more, more power to you. /ic/ posters predictably gloss over it but writing is critically important for comics and isn't easy at all. It's a whole another craft that could be someone's full time job. And most of you have insurmountable difficulties in learning just one discipline.

I believe I speak for all of us when I say, fuck manga

>>7944711
Ever since the MCU and the Walking Dead, American comics have largely been nothing more than movie/netflix series pitches. American comics don't even make any money off of traditional floppies, and only really start to make any sort of money once TPBs, ominbus', and other compilations come out.

The only people who even buy floppies are speculators buying rare variants and Issue #1s from constant reboots, that they sell back and forth to each other hoping one day they will make a mint. Basically, the same shit that happened in the 90's that lead to the comic/collectibles crash.

>>7944710
Speak for yourself.

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>>7944711
I think it's essential that your writing is not bad, but actually being good is not necessary.

You can make up for a mediocre story by just having good art.
Not to say Akira has a mediocre story... but how many people actually even know the story of Akira? I'm pretty sure people love Akira purely because of the art and vibes. It's just cool. If the art weren't so cool I doubt anyone would care about Akira, it'd just be some underground niche scifi title.

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>>7944719
Deathnote has really good art, but it's not the focus at all. The writing is the focus and every slip-up in the writing has been noticed and argued about for decades.

It depends entirely on the story. Some go by the rule of cool, some are story driven.
Write a story that fits your strengths as an artist+writer.

>>7944719
My impression is that most of the comics that become popular become so precisely because of the writing.
It's rare for a comic to gain standout popularity just because of the art. Good art is just sort of expected to be there. Bad art can prevent a comic from becoming a success, but good art won't guarantee it.
When you open a comic and the writing sucks you in, that's when you know you're holding something special. There's almost never good writing in comics. Alan Moore is a household name for a reason.
I don't think Akira is the best example since it was one of the first titles that broke through in the west. I've been under impression it was not a big deal in Japan. In the west it was carried by the novelty because people weren't used to anime or manga.

>>7944722
>I've been under impression it was not a big deal in Japan.
You're wrong, it was a landmark series in manga. It's a turning point that helped make the 80s what it was in manga.

>>7944710
>jobs
If you only see it as a job then it's for the best you decided to quit.

>>7944732
not him but it is a job. doing it while it's fun only gets you so far, beyond that is pure work.

>>7944732
I'm no doubt not built like a mangaka. I also know that a mangaka's life isn't one to celebrate and they have editors and the ones I respect work with full-fledged writers and have editors. Engaging with people helps hone and improve your craft and if you are unable to do not only does your work become worse but it does feel like a chore.

Whether it's because of time consumption or because most people into this are extremely-anti social. but you won't find helpful people to work with once you hit a certain age. At best you'll get well-intentioned people who are too busy to help you, and, more likely, you'll get self-absorbed people who simply are miserable to be around and barely help either of them with their goals.

>>7944740
You've never talked to me.

I don't think writing matters for Manga. It depends what you call writing. Does deciding the panel flow and shapes count as writing? What about the silent panels? Or is writing just deciding on the general plot and story beats? So many writer think a good story is one that has no plot holes, a deep important message, characters with unique and complex themes... that's just the fundamentals. That's not creativity or skill. You can make a Manga about a guy painting his walls and watching them dry.
All writers think they're so smart and that the artist is just building their vision for them, but the truth is any artist who likes making comics, can already write good enough. Is like saying you are good at math so you can design the ultimate house and get someone to build it. The builder already knows how to build houses without the worst because also knows math.

>>7944717
>since the MCU and the Walking Dead, American comics have largely been nothing more than movie/netflix series pitches
It's bizarre because the same thing has happened with manhwas; they were almost always self-insert power level wanking or modern day chaebol corporate power struggles sprinkled in with badly written romances, but somehow now they've gotten even worse. Barely above AI-tier slop in terms of story writing and they're just pumped out in the hopes of getting a live-action kdrama adaptation. And of course almost all of it is purely digital in that horrid webtoon format for infinite scrolling. Can't have the workers doing anything else while they take a poo.

>>7944548
Oooh i see, i never thought about using resolution like that. I think the hair looks better now but the tones on the dress are a bit too faded for my tastes. I'll play around to see what I like. Thanks a lot for the tips, anon.

>>7944576
Thanks anon!

>>7944711
>only because of the sheer volume of content
And because those writers have a bit more creative freedom and like writing stories rather than political gobbledegook

>>7944719
This kills the speedlines haters

>>7944710
>Living in isolation while you torture yourself doing multiple jobs without pay is awful
This really isn't related to comics as much as it is a problem with your own personality and lifestyle.

>That's also why most of you are miserable to hang around with and make no efforts in forming authentic friendships.
Pure projection, you've already told us that's exactly what you are doing. I am married with a house full of kids, play games with friends from HS weekly. None of them know or care about my comics. Comics don't give me your problems, you did it to yourself and will continue to do so.

>>7944735
>If you ONLY see it as a job
Context. Work and job are not the same.
>>7944740
>I like socializing and I picked a hobby that requires me to put in effort that I don't have the motivation to do
That's fine, just means it isn't for you. But don't pretend like that's a universal problem of the medium, some people like it and some people don't.

>I need help to make comics!
>I need someone to talk me through it!
>I need people to cheer me on!
>I need a friend group to do work for me!

Your loneliness is just an excuse to not do something you never really wanted to do in the first place. Art is not and never was a social hobby, it has always come from introspection. Go join a local MTG group if you just want nerd friends to jaw with. Do fanart if you want free praise and attaboys.

Writing prose won't get you anymore of what you're looking for than comics will, btw. Good luck getting anyone to read if you can't even get them to look at pictures.

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I love making comics. They are really fun. I dont understand where the doomposting is coming from considering that making your own comic is like living anime in your head and then printing it onto the paper. Literally a dream come true

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>>7944764
Menatal gymnastics
You can't write and you don't understand writing

I just want an artist gf that will draw my comics for me while I write.

>>7941846
90% of your readers stopped reading after chapter 2

After that the reader count fluctuates but those new readers didn't bother to go back and read the whole thing

It's somehow broken and you haven't managed to fix it

>>7944844
that's how it is for most comics.

>>7944846
Most comics suck

Sometimes comics start out slow and improve over time but when you still fail to capture the audience on chapter 10 the project has to be fundamentally broken

>>7944846
90% dropoff?! A dropoff of something like 50% or even 60% can be expected in almost anything, not just even comics, but 90%?!

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I'm still drawing those silly businessmen
>1/6

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>>7944854
2/6

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>>7944858
>3/6

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>>7944860
>4/6

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>>7944861
5/6

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>>7944862
>6/6
more soon

>>7944847
>>7944851
mb it just needs time to find the right audience. plenty of comics take a long time to take off

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>>7944866
You're delusional, the comic is broken and as lomg as you refuse of acknowledge it you won't be able to fix it

Do you seriously think that fixing a broken comic is something that just happens randomly by chance?

No, you identify the issues and figure out how to fix it

>>7944854
Nice to see you again, Moon is a Liver anon. Where you away, or just lurking?

>>7944866
>>7944867
It's really unpredictable.
If you're published in weekly shonen jump and you start faltering at chapter 2, there's little chance of success.

But indie comics don't have that same kind of audience immediate expectation.
It's entirely possible that your comic may find its audience 10 years after it's finished.
Among Us was releasted in 2014 but didn't catch on until 2020, it wasn't until streaming was at its peak that it caught its audience.

>>7944867
not him but how would you fix it?

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>>7944870
>a crudely drawn, overtly sexualized blatant ripoff mish mash webcomic finds its target audience 10 years after a 450 page run that lost over 90% of its audience during not only during the first three chapters but repeatedly had the same dropoff rate throughout at least 20 chapters

Among us as an example? Holy ngmi

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>>7944871
That depends on the author's vision, what they want it to be
Making a list of flaws is completely pointless if the actual vision and desired its effect on the reader is unknown

"I like X, I want to make a manga that is like X, my vision is to make the next X but better" is usually what this type of approach to writing is limited to so there isn't really any point in critiqueing something like this and especially if the author is completely delusional and fails at even the most basic fundamentals that are purely technical knowledge that can be acquired online

I wouldn't bother analyzing comics like that, I've read through hundreds of unoriginal low quality ripoff slop comics to spot common downfalls and form stereotypes about people in the industry

I just looked at it, guessed that the author is probably delusional and put that theory to the test out of curiosity and turns out I guessed right

Usually when I see a comic that actually has potential either the author onows what they need to fix and are working on it and there's no need for critique or the author has potential but they're not very ambitious so that they would test the limits of their abilities so they just end up making something decent but not too special

>>7944893
...Troubleshooting a broken project is a process that takes time and exchanging information between the critic and the author

>>7944868
thank you! it's nice to be back at it.
I still check the threads once a week at least.
School and work has kept me busy but now I'm inspired to continue my comic again.

>>7944893
Most stuff begins with trying to copy something else. Surely there's some identifiable things that can be fixed. Are some characters bad? Is the writing bad?

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I don't think this girl has the character design chops to be a maincharacter. She's got a fucked up Monster High thing going on, which I like, but it's lacking something-something.

>>7944900
Yes.

>>7944764
Writing>drawing. You can hook people with good art and paneling but if your writing sucks you're dead in the water. A cool design or spread can't make up for uninteresting characters or story.

>>7944944
Truth nuke for art cucks. The writers for Invincible/Walking Dead/etc all make the lion's share of the money. Artists are a dime a dozen.

>>7944944
I dislike any attempt to argue whether art or writing is better in a comic

They exist together harmoniously, that's what makes comics comics, and not a picture book or set of illustrations. They are a comic.
It's like if you were playing in a music band and trying to argue whether the singer or the guitarist was more important. You need both, and for a comic to be good they both need to be at their best.
If one is shit but the other is good, then the comic is half shit, which is just may as well be all-shit.

Bad art brings down a good story.
Bad writing brings down good art.

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>>7944949
Also, the art and writing do not exist as separate. They are joined together into a single art form called comics.

You tell the story through the art as much as the dialogue. A facial expression communicates what cannot be communicated through words, it is writing through art.
And the story is such that it facilates an aesthetic experience (ie it is the writing that dictates pic related occur at a sunset, it is art created through writing).

A comic that lacks in either department is a shit comic.

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All I'll say is that I know people who are absolutely obsessed with series that have shitty art AND bad writing but have interesting characters, know a few people into series with bad writing and good art, but don't know anyone into series with uninteresting characters but great art.

>>7944949
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>>7944951
What about originality?

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>>7944900
Using insporation from other works to further expand your own vision is great but when your protagonist looks like spike spiegel and the premise is the same as cowboy bebop's (swap bounty hunter for mercenary) that's just a lazy ripoff

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>>7944811
>That's fine, just means it isn't for you. But don't pretend like that's a universal problem of the medium, some people like it and some people don't.
You're choosing to be offended by this. Comics is lonely because nobody is into it because the target is niche with multiple aspects of work requiring you to be an expert at this with a culture (on the amateur end, at least) that everybody is on their own. Look at the work schedule of mangakas and then imagine that they are having editors and other people that support them. If you just find it fun then that's fine, but if you want an audience and to do things at a reasonable time then it's nearly impossible.
>>7944814
This is next level delusion. Ignoring the fact that art includes writing, it is about simplifying universal concepts into anything else. All the popular artists both historically and contemporary did other jobs and were involved with other people and things, and the anti-social nature of the industry is connected to the loss in quality.

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>>7944952
Your work's originality is not a unique function; a work's originality is its writing, its art, and its characters. You can have a crazy unique super special never before seen in the history of man plot but that doesn't mean anything if it's done badly. The reason there aren't many original ideas is because it's easy to come up with ideas that haven't been done much before - it's just that most of them haven't been done much because they're bad.

Being deriative IS a real concern obviously - why read something you've already read? - but that's not where you start. An elevator pitch is nice, but people rarely go "this series does an idea I've never seen before." People go "this series does something in a way I really like," and that may include subversion, but you're using an original idea as a tool to help your writing, your art, or your characters, NOT using your writing, art, or characters as a tool to be original.

>>7941784
Much of your overcomplicated stuff can be removed or severely clarified once you write out a proper trajectory for your story. You need to know where your story is going to end no matter what due to the risk of cancellation, but it's also good so you know not to introduce anything that will contradict it. Segmenting how you want the story into "arcs" can be really helpful as it constantly keeps things fluid in your head, while allowing wriggle room for details.