>TFW fell for the "just do art on the side" memeThis shit isn't worth it, I'm busting my ass working 16 hour days, I don't have the time or energy to animate anymore I'm quitting and living out of my car
>>7948707work as a security guard or hotel night audit you dumbass.
What is your typical work week like?I have a long commute and stock shelves at night,so I would offer you some advice.
who told you to go work 16 hour shifts like you got some child support payments to make? nobody did.
>>7948714I have to pay my fucking rent, you neet faggot
>>7948715that’s a choice you made. parents are free or heavily reduced rent
>>7948716>ChoiceMom is dead and Dad has to rent a room because he's insanely poor so neither are an option
>>7948716bad faith
>>7948707>working 16 hour days,Well there's your problem. 8 and skate my dude, don't do more than you have to.>>7948715Get a better paying job. Staying in one job is a fool's errand, you should be using your job to develop any relevant skills and then jumping to a different job/higher position that pays better, until you can make it to a position that pays well with light workload. You then become the BEST at it so the company doesn't want you to leave and will keep you over others in the event of layoffs or such. Right now i know more about my job than any of the bosses or coworkers in my department, so I'm basically irreplaceable.TL;DR, git fuckin gud
>>7948719you have a choice to live in your car or live in comfort…it’s just a matter of if you actually love the cartoons so much you’d rather survive on bread and water
>>7948724no really stop posting like youve ever lived poor in your life
>>7948754I lived "poor" briefly for a month or 2 when I was a kid during the 2008 financial crisis where I had to move from a rich gated community to a trailer park and I still found it pretty comfy. That's what got me into coast to coast am radio shows and the paranormal. And because we're in AMERICA we all have clean and pristine library's just around the corner full of manga to read. You being "poor" isn't an excuse. I don't even think you can be "poor" in America. It's impossible.
>>7948707I feel for you OP. Maybe try to convince your boss or coworkers that drawing is really cool. And they can join you at your place. Like show them scott malon and me like we gotta make what he's making. That's what I wish that I did because my coworkers also drew.
>>7948707>pic rel makes 10k a fucking month while anons here either work dead end jobs or have no income at allI don't care if it's immature, this genuinely makes me full of envy and anger
>>7948769You don't have their output capability. It's 2 people under 1 name.
>>7948761childhood poverty mindbroke you
>>7948779>you never poor>actually I "was">poor mindbooke ujust stop replying to me
>>7948707If you really do decide to live out of your car:>avoid the "get a gym membership for the showers" advice; you want to avoid foot fungus and HPV.>Go to a dollar store and buy a BUNCH of those face/body wipes. Use them from head to toe whenever needed to keep clean.>Washing your hair is easy, find a sink or keep a couple gallons of water handy>Get a part-time job instead of full time that way you'll have more hours to yourself and a second source of income if you're already making money on art.>Consider a portable butane stove if you're someone that likes to cook.>Get your windows tinted as dark as the law will allow and buy a couple sunlight reflectors to put in your car. They'll keep sun out and can be used for privacy where tint fails.>If you have a lot of belongings, downsize them first, then rent the cheapest (likely smallest) storage unit you can find and store your stuff there.>Gas stations often have microwaves, use them when needed>Keep a small trash bag in your car for convenience and toss it whenever> ...There's more but I'll stop here.I'm from the US so this is just from my experience here, I don't know if all of these will apply to you wherever you're from but surely most should I would hope.
How did they get worse?
>>7948769I feel the same anon. You are nit alone.
>>7948775Im surprised more artists dont do that. 2 artists under one patreon, twice the output and more money
>>7948769Angry at yourself, i presume, for not being able to produce anything the public would be willing to pay for?
>>7948795There’s this Spanish artist I forget their name but for the longest time I thought they were 1 person but it was a husband and wife doing all the work together. Same with another JP artist. I think it’s not that uncommon.
>>7948715quit being a blue collarfag.
>>7948783>avoid the "get a gym membership for the showers" advice; you want to avoid foot fungus and HPV.You could just wear sandals, no?
>>7948769>>7948791Not the artist's fault that you fags can't make shit that's worth paying for. Your poorly done scribbles has as much worth as used toilet paper.
>>7948769It’s a good product that appeals to teenagers, why does that make you so mad? That’s two less people in this world that have to flip burgers or dig ditches.
>>7948876>can't make a good product that appeals to teens>can't make a good product that appeals to "adults"honestly, just quit art at this point.
>>7948870But Anon,,, people do pay for my stuff, i'm a game dev.It's just not getting shared outside of my small base.
>>7948707KekDoing art "on the side" is normiespeak for giving up I have never seen a hobbycel actually produce anything substantial beyond poorly done sketches, let alone a fucking animation
The question should be what can be produced consistently in a week of the spare time one has. And what a week's artistic labor consists of. When my workplace was but a leisurely stroll to get to,and a cheap bus ride to get back home, I could devote 5-6 hours a day to my projects. And this is what I could produce in a typical week. A strip drawn in bits and assembled in Photoshop, allowing me to recycle things like backgrounds and props, morphing them as needed much like AI, and build a library of imagery to employ to allow me to draw the new stuff. The size and dimensions of the strips were a deliberate choice, to make the production feasible time wise and to make it easy to put in newspapers and into collections for publication. Such was the idea, and it still is a good one, but it required me to be a homebody and sudden new circumstances forced me to fill my time in waiting rooms with sketchbooks and what began as storyboards evolved into a sprawling story that I was compelled to be its first eager fan to discover What Happens Next. Uploads were inconsistent and although the story is engaging I would want to reconstruct the story in the fashion of the newspaper strip, and built to accommodate modern viewing platforms like smartphones. But as it is,I would not charge money for it, but as reference material that I decided to share, it is invaluable. It ran 180+ strips and got eaten by Covid, China grabbing the domain name and the host server abandoned. Circumstances once again changed. Now I ponder what direction I should go for the future. I originally had a plan for the now 10 hours I can spare in my present life, one burdened by long commutes and a spouse's considerations. It was to forget about websites and domain names and go to YouTube as my promotional vehicle. I would make time-lapse videos of my creating the first story as the content I can keep traffic invested, and then drag these strips into Photoshop to color and tweak for physical publications.
https://youtu.be/f8N9tO4Oy5I?si=XIi2VVD4N_AC4bH6https://youtu.be/DxxqmJecUm0?si=OdnqMnv3CMN-OJMlhttps://youtu.be/HKPjWxVGurc?si=GhUJqQg0Q3HgPSfOhttps://youtu.be/Om9ZH0l9uiY?si=xMn_c1veZZs08lv1I attempted this years ago, so long ago my distribution model was physical comic books, and like my favorite independent comic Cerebus the Aardvark, I wanted to tell this story in 20 pages of content with 4 left over for letters and whatnot. I got 40 pages done but went stir crazy and let myself get enamored with Second Life for years. So I knew vaguely about the plot and as a reason for people to watch new videos was to be watching it appear before their eyes as I thought it up.I could spend an hour or so after work to produce a video, and I could average from two to three uploads a week. But before I could really go public with my channel, it needed its infrastructure built. Public domain soundtracks for each video to spare viewers minutes of silence, artwork and organizational techniques for me to properly run a channel professionally, and sufficiently considered products to put in the Etsy store linked from the channel. And those mysteries of online commerce fathomed as well. Once I can figure out how to get the manufacturing on demand place to wait until the purchase deposited before charging me, then I will have an endless source of money. Such is the plan, or was.Life again has sideswiped me. My job is disappearing and I will have half a year of unemployment money to keep afloat, and plan on doing something with the free time that I have always dreamed of. ......but what?
>>7948715>>7948707who asked?
>>7948715I hate landlord simps so much it's unreal
>>7948795Often times the income from one Patreon can't support multiplesor, the artists might have different visions and so prefer to work separately
>>7948707Respect for even trying, i couldnt work like that. Thats something i see as a life not worth living
>>7948707>>7948769>this guy's art shows up when im looking at porn>think it's boring because its double combo of generic vaguely retro tomboy vanilla girl with black hair OCslop + inserting the OC into lesbian porn scenarios with trendy licensed characters (biggest sin is doing this but not making it super fetishy IMO)>open /ic/ and see this thread>this guy's making $10k a month out of this shitpeople have ungodly shit taste holy hellsay what you want about making "appealing" art to make money but this guy is basically upselling white bread to boring people who don't know better
>>7948769He easily makes triple or quadruple that on other income sources, if that makes you feel better
>>7948761You're just temporarily homeless, not a true essence of being poor. Find some niggas who grew up in the projects all their life (without getting stickec up or robbed) and you'll know true poor and why they remained poor
>>7949734I'll admit I grabbed the best straw possible in life if forced to be black. Because of my dad's moving business I got free computer hardware/games any kid could dream of from people who just didn't need all the extra "trash". Like Lain on steroids. Almost like the life I have was chosen on purpose and if I knew to be thankful ahead of time I would have indulged a bit more.
>>7948769hate the game not the player, anon
>>7949659why can you not comprehend people wanting normal "boring" stuff? Its like going into a bakery and criticizing people for buying normal white bread instead of some artisanal sour dough
>>7950224it is my god given right to believe and express my opinion that people are simpletons
>>7950224I mainly don't understand why people even pay so much money for twitter artists and nsfw patreons
>>7948769Lucia is hot, though, so it is worth the money. Are you hot anon?
>>7948788when you produce art as a consumable good, any effort expended above the minimally acceptable criteria is wasted, effort that could've been spent producing more artwork. it's just bad business. they're continually finetuning just how low their standards can get while people will still be willing to pay for it to reach an optimal cost-benefit ratio for mass-production of pornographic images.i think it's cynical and soulless, but then they're the ones earning mad cash while getting to draw naked chicks every day, so who's really the idiot here?
>>7950235you can, but it doesn't fix your own shit taste. >>7950236Because they like the art, shocking i know. fags spend way more on alcohol, of shit, and phones. No wonder you fags struggle to sell your art.
