If you are a /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, over-analyzing schizos, retards that whine about how hard drawing is or talent debates and instead focus on posted works!>Post Your Work>STICKY:New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0QHardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?viewHardcore (working link): https://hackmd.io/@ArtStudies/rJxNW6aonHardcore (wayback archive):https://hackmd.io/@0uRfwdEoRDiHFz9wibb5sA/ry8nyys6-lCompleted(short):https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jUeG8UTwDAK8WGC4f79IlBGIAGVipfHvo48RF5Xgxyc (sus discord server don't join)Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/vieww/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/>WHERE to get study materials>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.comcharacterdesigns.comlovelifedrawing.composemy.artline-of-action.com>best art teachersGlenn VilppuMichael HamptonSteve HustonBrent EvistonMarco BucciAndrew LoomisGeorge BridgmanHikaru HayashiHide Sensei>best art booksKeys To DrawingDrawing With the Right Side of the BrainHow To Draw Comics the Marvel WayThe Art and Science of DrawingFramed PerspectiveFigure Drawing For All It's WorthThe Complete Guide to Drawing From LifePrevious thread: >>8012086
Why is that fag trex in every OP
first
>>8015644hes the main character
random designs
>>8015646scribbleGOD
>>8015497Crit for a free pizza roll
Uoogh and all that>>8015647/adv/ type of shit
>>8015642Is the OP digital only?
>>8015644hes the clique leader
>>8015642kino>>8015647cool
>>8015653yeah
>>8015652I really like it but I had to do it
>>8015651Looks like something you'd see in a newspaper
>>8015645maybe should mention that it's a study?>>80156512 people on the left should be shorter>>8015647why does everything have boobs?>>8015652body looks flat>>8015654good face, but her pose is awkward
>>8015659You mean it looks editorial? Should I apply to a local magazine?
>>8015661sounds like a opportunity to me
>>8015661Why are you pretending to be me?
>>8015658Hmm i was trying to go for something like this but maybe bright ass orange wasn't the best main color
>>8015661based pretender
nice to begin the thread wtih a few rapemogs thanks i really enjoyed that
>>8015664>>8015652sexo
>>8015654looks great :DDD
THREAD CHALLENGE
Once you make the big dumb loomis construction, how do you add hair? What's the order of operations? Remove the bald skull part, then add hair? Somehow do it while the big annoying skull line is still there fucking everything up? I'm stuck. He kind of cheated by making all his little loomlings bald or having one or two scraggly little hairs poking up off an otherwise perfectly smooth scalp.
>>8015681You sketch the head shape in lightly so it erases easily
>>8015682Yes, but when do you erase the head? How do you know how far out from the skull to put the outer line of the hair? Is there a rule, like with facial proportions? For something so exacting and mathematical, drawing really does have some major gaps in rules.
>>8015681Digital retard here, i just draw the hair in a different color, starting with basic shape and then making it more complex as i go on.
>>8015689They're more like guidelines.
>>8015681do whatever is more convenientyou can place another layer/paper and use the bald head as guideline, or erase lightly, anything goes
>okay boxes>okay circles>cannot into sexo roundnesswhat the fuck
>>8015689It depends on the hair style/angle of the head. I'm sure you could theoretically come up with a perfect system just like you could draw every body part inside a box each with it's own set of vanishing points, but it turns out it's easier to let your brain rewire itself to get a feel for how to place these things. Just print a bunch of generic base heads and practice drawing hair on them. It's easier on yourself when you're not worrying about construction the right skull every time as well
taking frenchy struggling with construction as evidence that he's using ai is retarded. he just hasn't had to learn construction because his poses don't actually require it, so he hasn't figured out why the construction isn't working for him so he just keeps doing the wrong thing. which is fine, he's just not doing complex poses from imagination and complex perspectives that require perspective knowledge/construction usage, so he's not figuring out where he's going wrong. if you think that's tracing ai when he's done thread challenges numerous times you're retarded
>>8015700it's time
>>8015696It's just fucked up, I wish they'd make up their minds, because there obviously are rules you have to follow or the art winds up looking like shit, but for a lot of said rules, the documentation is incomplete as fuck. Like, what if I want to show them at a southeastern angle but the guide only shows how to do up, down, left, and right? What the hell do I do when all the skull proportion practices I've been cranking out don't map onto anime heads at all? What part of the body do you start with first? Should you construct the torso with boxes still if the subject is a shapely woman who's basically composed of circles? And for that matter, ARE squares the right thing to construct the torso with? Because I sometimes see people doing ovals, accounting for ribcage, mapping out fat rolls, etc. and sometimes doing none of those things. It's fucked up, there's gotta be some rules or order somewhere or everyone's art would look like shit, but nobody seems to be willing to agree on what they are.
how do get better at proportionate faces. cant be arsed with this loomis homework
>>8015714You gotta do the homework, one way or another. Maybe watch a video (and follow along crucially) teaching the same stuff if that's more your speed.
>>8015716How are you retards still falling for the same bait three hundred times in a row
drawing loomi templates just aint fun. got to be some other way
>>8015703I just cant seem to get decent line weights and shapes to convey sexo. especially when inking. idk how coomers do it, mang.
>>8015652great
started replaying cyberpunk 2077still deeply disappointed that vik isn't romanceable
>>8015642Mom look, my art made it to into the OP collage!
Something about these little faggot rodents really pisses me off
>>8015731too fat and complacentthese city rodents have forgotten their roots
Fuck you and fuck your stupid fucking thread for faggots! And your mom is ugly!
i jumped into the deep end too quickly and now I feel overwhelmed
>>8015732Lol, tried to do a Deliverance, but my heart wasn't in it. I really need to update my cinematic rape references. I've never even seen Irreversible
/beg/ how do I make money off of art? I'm also new to actually selling art, and is it normally acceptable to sell pieces heavily inspired by others?Also low-key if Centuri-Chan lurks here, love your work bro, dude, dudette, can't figure that one out yet.
>Just do studies>Do them totally fine>Start thinking about what I'm doing/reading guides>Get ridiculously overwhelmed and stop being able to do everything, including stuff I could previously doAnyone else get this? I don't know why, but I get way better results when I just follow along intuitively/with minimal instruction, especially if it's something with a clear goal like "deconstruct this person" or "draw a head at this angle" or whatever. It's when it starts going weird ("draw a head in this way at an angle we haven't shown you") where shit hits the fan, even if I could probably do it on my own.
>>8015745>Is it normal to sell pieces heavily inspired by others?Oh, yeah, totally. I mean, that's a majority of comms, they'll pay for a character someone else made, in a specified style (though that's rarer), etc. Art is taking shit you love from others and making it your own! That being said, unless you work at cons (and even then for prints' sake), you really wanna switch to digital. It's just really hard to sell physical art or get traction with it on social media if that's your goal.
>>8015750I'm just desperately trying to get out of debt, after getting a felony, no job, and all that shieeeet.
Currently facing my fear of the empty blank page without a ref. Trying an environment drawing of a throne inside a large room. Wish me luck.
>>8015752Draw the Vergil plastic chair.
>>8015752Godspeed. Couldn't do it myself, your bravery is powerful.>>8015751I see! Well, it's a good way to try and earn money, but you should probably find a niche if you're serious about using it to get out of debt. Do you have any fetishes you can draw? Do you have a twitter to post to?
Any trad artists have suggestions on taking pics?This is just a sketch so it doesn't matter too much but I wanna take better ones
>>8015758Get an app that scans the photos
>>8015758Lots of ambient natural light is best. Illuminating light in front of you so you don't cast a shadow. Try to keep you phone parallel to the page so you don't skew the proportions. I have a book with the best bulbs, but it's not at hand at the moment, it's probably a just quick Google
Thread challenge
Optional challenge
It's friday, doodles>>8015654Cool work, but this reminds me of something Steve Huston and Krenz often talk about, paraphrasing, you need to always push the gesture, because at each step you’re going to lose dynamism. I kind of see it in this case the skin rendering looks stiff, like stretched fabric.>>8015672that purple tone is so nice.>>8015731I hate rodents>>8015758Lighting is the most important thing. The cheapest way is to take a photo in daylight and position the artwork perpendicular to the light source. PhotoScan is pretty good at taking photos of documents.
>>8015789Okay I'm tracking, I'll try in daylight with that app. See what that does
I'm at a loss how to improve the anatomy and perspective of this character.
>>8015738Carlson!
>>8015777Who decides these challenges? Is there a secret discord group?
>>8015849There is no secret discord group.
>>8015849yes
>>8015834I feel your pain. I really do.
Scribblemaxxing
in 5 months all i did was get worse at observational drawingmatter of fact, 5 months is nothing, i am worse than the day i started drawing
>>8015864I feel like that right now, tried to do something so new and realized I don't know anything and don't know where to start besides the beginning againwant to smash my head against the wall
>>8015815Cool work, anon. As it is, the composition looks fine, and the anatomy doesn’t look bad, but the lack of applied perspective and line weight makes it really hard to read.https://www.animationmeat.com/pdf/misc/waltstanchfield/43ws_perspective_rules.pdfI think you would benefit from studying Kinnikuman Perfect Origin. The artwork is really good, with lots of bulky bodies in dynamic poses that are incredibly readable, which is rare.For bulky bodies, I would focus on the outline to make the forms read as bulky, while keeping the inner rendering subtle and thinner, with plenty of gaps between the lines.be wary i'm not too invested in anatomy, I'm more of a read good enough guy
>>8015872>>8015864How do I avoid this happening to me?
>>8015876I wish I had talent.
>When you gaze in to the abyss, the abyss gazes back.
>>8015876Thanks so much for the advice, this is a huge help! Really appreciate it anon
>>8015872what was it?i feel like when i want to draw an animal or a new kind of landscape i am better off watching photos and videos of it (videos are very important) and coming back days later to draw it from imagination/loosely referenced instead but its like, when i try to draw accurately now, i just fucking cant, sometimes i ignore measuring and end up making 2 or 3 warped sketches before i give in and go back to the basics, it happened today also, when i got down a good 1st stage sketch i was like "damn now i dont even know how to continue anymore"like, its not that i cant draw, but sometimes it really makes me feel like a prebeg. Why am i needing to make adaptations to my process, for subjects that i have drawn hundreds of times? bitch please i have taken enough shit.
and then this will devolve into me not even knowing if i should keep drawing or just move to color directly, not a problem for trad, there i can just give up, act like i will draw digitally instead and then go to sleep without drawing at all
Old life drawing i just finished rendering
I also want to draw. Why is all my shit ugly and permaprebeg.Why cant I enjoy drawing like the talented anons here.
>>8015917too dark and uglythank me later
>>8015918Fuck you dumb nigtard.
>>8015917nightmare type shit
>>8015920i told him what he needed to hear, and i told him because i like his sketched and its such a shame for them to be ruined by a corrupted, or completely absent taste of coloring.the people who praise you unconditionally are the niggers.
Please apologize to the fragile furry
>>8015936Not eveyone can be as talented as you Toru. Why do you insist on being mean to lesser artists?
are you good at drawing portraits anon?
its always "are you good at x" and never "is depression lowering your iq by 20 points"
anatomy challenge
>>8015789thanks, youre right that gesture isnt really something i ever practiced, does krenz teach this too in his class?
>>8015971do you work more with layermodes or do you paint on 1-2 layers? super good btw
did 2 chapters of perspective worksheets today.7-3 was fun that i got to make my own perspective grid thing due to the vanishing point being too far off the canvas. 8-4 was about using ellipse stencils which didn't have much use digitally, so i went full autism and tried some things not covered by the worksheets.
>>8015976Depends on what I'm trying to do. shit ton of layers usually
>>8015976
>>8015992thanks for the video, really helpful to figure out the process too
>>8015642working on assets for a skaven ship, but picking the right colors is still very very hard for me. i basically just isolate each color and then play around with HSV sliders until it looks okay-ish. browns are really tricky though because it's basically any shade from red to green with the saturation toned down. i need assets like the toilet, doors, and shower to contrast from the flooring but the best i could come up with was an olive green. i feel retarded, but i need to learn to do more than just floor planning.should i use an amber color for the control panels?
>>8015992recorded any time-lapses? krita has a built in recorder (recorder docker)
>>8015971/adv/. Not really material for this thread
>>8015970wheres the challenge>omg an average woman facing the camera im loosing my mind aaaaahh
>>8015781Good movie. Lee Lee Segadoodoo was really hot in this. Wes Anderson knew she had one good nude scene left in her. That's true vision.Fun pose. All the tension is hidden by her hair except for the hand and forearm, very subtle. I'll finish up falling later, bit I need breakfast.
>>8016031
>>8016019>two pieces of meat doing shit>blablabla
>>8016019“Challenge” doesn’t mean “difficult”, it just means “draw this picture”
>>8016053this time it was called anatomy challenge not thread challenge making it seem like the anatomy here is the challenge
>>8016054I take it there was not enough buff men for your liking? open your anatomy book and head down to the leather club two blocks down
>>8015970>>8016019>>8016054HERE'S THE THREAD CHALLENGE YOU FAGS:>>8015679It was posted right at the beginning. The last five threads everyone's been bitching about the "where's muh thread challenge", and now you don't even care. Fuck this board.
>>8016085This one blended into the background a bit. I didn't notice this ref at all as I scrolled by or I wouldn't have pulled anything out of my French New Wave folder
how come no one here actually draws portraits n shit?
>>8015992Why can't you just paint on a single layer, like a real artist?
>>8016093There is the very first image posted? Do you mean from life? Why don't you start?
>>8016100>Why don't you start?im trying but very difficult
>>8016093>>8016101post your attempts anonI also want to try trad portraits soonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfCF-bNjlGU
>>8016107You think Jeff is a good lover? I think he can throw down some dick.
>>8016112You think? All the tantra trinkets in his studio, that beach surfer tan, he also must be on TRT, and to top it all off, he's a painter artist. That mother fucker has pussy killah written all over him.
>>8016093Drawing photorealistic portraits basically only helps you draw photorealistic portraits and nothing else. If you’re a /beg/ it can be a good exercise in observation and lighting and etc, but if your goal is to do manga or animation then it’s better to spend your time just practicing those things directly
>>8016127>Drawing photorealistic portraits basically only helps you draw photorealistic portraits and nothing elsewronghttps://www.artstation.com/krenz
>>8016129Ok spend years drawing photorealistic portraits of Walter White then, you’ll probably get more followers and likes that way anyway
>>8016127dont think this is true. photorealism is difficult as shit. if you can do photorealism then you have a very solid grasp of fundamentals
>>8016135just look at the portfolio I linkedit has portraits, color studies, stylized characters, full illustrations, doodles and sketchesall of them are important
>>8015851the type of thing a clique member would say
>>8015970Jerkin it to those pits
>>8016112I bet he has sex with all his female students. He's flying close to the sun though; they each think they're "the one" and if they find out they're all banging him, all of a sudden they're going to decide it isn't consensual after all and he will be done.
maybe ill continue on this later
>>8015781
Do you guys like gilfs?
Tried to make it painterly
>>8015965not really, no
>>8015660NTA, but boobs are the joy of life. I think if boobs weren't a thing, I'd have ended it all already.
>>8016180ouuu shii....
its not the worst thing ive ever made
>>8016193pretty cool
>>8016085>>8015679this shit sucks nigger, why are people here allergic to aesthetics>>8015777this is way way better
>>8016193Sagat!!
>>8015971>>8015992i love you, you’re incredible. please post more here, sometime.
>>8016193hnngh @ the fantastic anatomy and perspective one-two punch combo.
took me atleast 20 minutes to draw a glass of water from my perspective
>>8015647>Not even 8 months drawing>Better mechs than Jona and the guy that got poisoned by Morpho who only draw mechs>Better sluts than the fatefags>A natural grasp of perspective that mogs everyone here. Even permabegs like Raxav and Gacha cant draw anything but anime girl in white void staring at viewer>Perfect grasp of anatomy and appeal and portraits unlike graterThis isnt even fun anymore. This nigger just deathmogged the whole general without even trying. What are they feeding artists in Sao Paulo?I want every single fucking talent denier to come ahead and tell me how someone manages to make more progress in 8 months than several dedicated artists in a decade.>>8015652>/adv/ type of shitNot even 8 months btw.
>>8016193>>8016194>>8016201Dont gas up that permabeg
>>8016209shut your bitch ass up and stop blowing smoke up his ass
>draw inside the box, not outside the box
>>8016211gas up your room with carbon monoxide and die
>>8016209laughed out loud, keep up the posts
>>8016127crab post right here.
>>8016209They ate feeding them time and bad job propects.Even if I became a top 1% artist it wouldn't finance my life and bring a top 0.1% artist would still not beat my day job income. Drawing is strictly a hobby for me. An hour a day after work.South Americans have easy jobs, low hours and bad pay. The perfect mix of circumstances to give motivation - entirely fuelled by the desire to improve ones life.For first worlders art practice could only worsen life.
Are these colors even remotely convincing for a sunrise?How do I color a shallow creek at sunrise
>>8016208Pyw
>>8015972Gesture is many things. In his more popular lecture, the one on /asg/, he calls it straightening the pose. I love Krenz, but I don't recommend him because there is a language barrier. It's better to find a source in a language you're comfortable with.If you want to learn more about gesture, I think Gesture Drawing for Animatiors (or drawn to life) is the most comprehensive book on the subject. It’s structured as a collection of notes, so you don't have to read it linearly to get something out of it. its more of a thinky thinky book than a step by step how to draw book.
>>8016229meant to post this
>>8016228>An hour a day after work.>Gets you to that level in just 8 monthsBullshit.
>>8016228Khyle makes 50k dollars a month just from Patreon. Twitter adds 2k dollars a month.
>>8016235do something easier than a sunrise, by virtue of it being dark it requires a lot pf technique and understanding that you dont have
>>8016228hunger is a great motivator
Trying out the SK3 bundle for Krita. There are some good brushes. Drew this quickly, just to test them out and not be a nodraw. Lots of mistakes, especially anatomically, but eh.>>8015647Tits and mechs. You've got my attention.>>8015861Great drawings. I like them.>>8015992Godly. Thanks for the breakdown.>>8016180I don't need another fetish, c'mon, man.>>8016193>its not the worst thing ive ever madeThat describes most of my drawings, every time I'm done with one. I really like your finished work.
>>8016235Kind of. But there's no shadows.
>>8016237You can make money from Twitter? How? Ad revenue? I thought it was just a social used for reach/awareness...
Studies/experimenting with different brushesI do think the harder/less textured brushes I used for 8 and 9 have a higher potential ceiling but they will take a while to get used to :/
I’ve been drawing more than ever the past couple of weeks, hours every single day. To the point that I lose track of time and forget to eat. And I’m still garbage and still not improving. Kinda being forced to confront my worst fears here. No matter how much time I spend I just can’t do it
>>8016256>past couple of weeksthat's nothingtry 3 years at least
>>8016259>>80162568 months
>>8016249Oh, right.Well, colored pencils are so light and I'm on a trip away from my darker alcohol markers, so hopefully those will fix the issue...>>8016238Probably the best advice, but I want to finish it and maybe redo it someday. (I'll probably put it away until I get back home though)
>>8016254These are beautiful studies, anon. Great job.>>8016256Pyw? There's some recent discussion online about 4 hours being the absolute maximum for learning new stuff in the beginning. Going beyond that will most likely hamper any progress. I'd say 2 hours a day is a minimum, 4 should be max.Also, copying everything you see; artists, books especially, references, etc. It's the only way to get better, and you'll advance much quicker.
>>8016254Your paintings are pretty good but why do you choose shit tier references? Are you trying to make paintings that look like Instagram posts?
>>8016264>I'd say 2 hours a day is a minimumIf you are untalented you need 8 hours a day minimum. You can make with much less as this post shows if you are talented.>>8016228>>8015647>An hour a day after work.
some crummy skull copies
i posted this before a while ago, been a minute since i shaded muscles, so how can i improve on this?
>>8016270meant here a whole ago not before a while ago, lol
>>8016264t-thanks>>8016265They are just studies, it's not like this is all I intend to paint for the rest of my life.I'm trying to build up an intuitive understanding of the features/relationships.Always open to suggestions for where I could find better references.
>>8016270Simplify the lighting into one light shape and one dark shape. Make sure the whole form reads as an arm before you start detailing the smaller shapes.
>>8016267>you need 8 hours a dayI'd wager most people aren't neets. How do you expect people with a 40 to 50 hour work week to accomplish this? Genuinely curious.
>>8016284it doesnt look like an arm?also thanks but what do you mean one light an one dark shape exactly?
>>8016270thought this was some kind of hairless amphibious dog-like creature at first
>>8015971>>8015992The Ruan Jia of /beg/s
>>8016237The fact that this is a name I am supposed to know places him already in at least the 0.01% category. 1 in 10.000 artists sure makes a good living off it. But only those with true hunger (and arguably talent) can hope to get there.Who'd be willing to sacrifice a comfy life fir a lottery ticket? To sacrifice a shitty lufe is easy.
>>8016236That's sorta the point I am making. It doesn't work that way if you already have a life. 3rd world NEETs gave the best conditions for greatness.
Figs
>>8016256>drawing more than ever the past couple of weeks, hours every single dayBut what have you been studying/learning? What goals did you set? Did you learn all about perspective? Anatomy? Light/Shadows/Values?
>>8016309nice figs anoni do think the silhouette of the girl with her hand coming towards us is a little visually confusing thougheverbeit
>started learnign the limbs>upper arm: nice, has three main muscles and some details>forearm: dios mioWhy can't muscles just be simpler? What a mess.
>>8016289you serious? it's an arm!>>8016286again i ask, what do you mean man?
>>8016185Zased gay David enjoyer
>>8016309Really nice and dynamic, especially Cate Archer lookalike and the bow dude
>>8016311nta but the more i learned about perspective and painting the less i wanted to deal with it
Pauldrons or something.
>>8016366acorn
>>8016372I can accept having drawn acorns.
>>8016264>pywThis is what I was just working on, it’s mostly from imagination but I did look at a reference to check how I should handle the far eye. The far eye always fucks me up no matter whether I’m drawing anime or anything else.Now I know this isn’t TERRIBLE so it might look like I’m fishing for attention but I swear I’m not, I was genuinely expressing my intense frustrations. This one didn’t turn out too bad though. The teeth look kinda funny because I’m fusing everything from the maxilla to the jawline into one shape but I don’t really care at this point, it’s supposed to be a simplification not a realistic skull and I just want to move on. True biggest problem here was I left the far eye “symbol drawn” instead of really understanding its form, nothing I tried could make it look more 3D without making it look worse so I just left it. I’ll need to figure that out. Overall this skull turned out ok though and I think there’s a genuine sense of 3D form here. If I could do every angle from imagination with this level of quality I’d be pretty happy.What really gets me though is this took me HOURS of fiddling back and forth with the details, trying to get every angle correct. I don’t know how pro artists can just sit down and effortlessly draw a correct drawing that obeys proportions and perspective. It feels like an unreachable goal, and my long iteration times are why my progress is so ungodly slow.>>8016311Skulls. I have done literally nothing but skulls for weeks, looking at how different people simplify the skull, experimenting with different ways of simplifying the skull, etc.
>>8016378>I don’t know how pro artists can just sit down and effortlessly draw a correct drawing that obeys proportions and perspective.because they have spent as much time drawing as I have playing videogames
>>8016380I don’t know how much time I’ve accumulated over the past 8 years. Some weeks had 20 hours and some weeks only had 2, it varied a lot. I’ve spent a shitload of time no matter how you slice it though. And I’m still dealing with all these problems I’ve had since the very beginning. The last few weeks have been a legitimate change though, all new methods and goals and definitely spending WAY more time than I’ve ever spent before, so, maybe there’s still some hope.
trying to get better at expressions(man this panel still makes me sad after all these years..guts...;_;)
>>8016384thingken about griffith
>>8016384At first I couldn’t tell if that was a real panel or your study so you must be doing something right
whats the difference between shading and hatching
>>8016386i think youre just retarded anon >>8016391you actually are retarded
>>8016393bit rude
>>8016386thank you bro>>8016393shoo shoo crab
>>8016256>>8016378>I have done literally nothing but skulls for weeksWell there's your problem.
>>8016378>What really gets me though is this took me HOURS of fiddling back and forth with the details, trying to get every angle correctYou need to be less perfectionist. Also, it seems like hide 2? Hide 2 skips a few lessons on perspective that hide 1 has. While hide is ok for /begs/, you will need supplementary resources since hide courses are very shallow, and he does many drawings by feeling, which is not good as a learning resource.For your information, both I and many anons around here also spent more time than we wished when we started to draw. The first drawings, often copies, take ages and yield poor results. Even my first grid copies back the day are awful.>>8016363Sure, but you can't complain about not improving when you skip the things that I find difficult/do not enjoy and are fundamentals. I hate anatomy, boring as fuck, complex bones and muscles, difficult to learn and draw. But here I am grinding this bullshit and powering through. The reward is worth it, though. For example, now I have a good understanding of the scapula/clavicle relation because of the acromion process connecting both, and they provide landmarks to where main muscles originate.
>>8016391Hatching is a form of shading, using lines to create values. Picrel is Franklin Booth, the goat of hatching
>>8016401Famously, young Booth thought woodcuts that he admired were drawings, and by recreating them with ink, he developed his intricate style.
>>8016378>Skulls. I have done literally nothing but skulls for weeksholy based
Maybe I just like looking at drawings and not drawing myself.
>>8016398My goal is to draw a simplified skull from any angle from imagination. I can’t move on until I can do that. If doing boxes or perspective exercises or whatever would help me achieve that goal faster then I can do that, but I can’t just say “eh fuck it I’ll just come back to skulls later”. That mentality is why I’ve been permabeg for 8 years. I need to actually SOLVE this problem, permanently, by any means necessary. There will be no progress until I do.>>8016400>Hide 2 skips lessons on perspectiveI think my perspective is actually good enough here. Like I said it’s mainly the detailing on the form of the distant eye that was my biggest stumbling block here, I need to just look specifically at the skull form here rather than generic perspective exercises. And I can live with this form for the teeth, despite it being a bit funky. But if there are noticeable perspective errors here then please redline it.>the first drawingsI’ve been doing this for 8 years
>>8016410>I’ve been permabeg for 8 yearsplease tell me this is a joke
>>8016311>Did you learn all about perspective? Anatomy? Light/Shadows/Values?Literally none of these matter in art. All of these are copes invented for talentless hacks by talentless hacks to feel better about themselves. Oh I am totally not wasting time, I learned the correct shade of the terminator today! I learned the left toe muscles! I learned how ambient light should affect the shadow!This is all not real art, this is bullshit, self serving gobbledygook. It's a substitute for the only thing that matters in art - the ability to elicit an emotional response from the viewer. To be able to catch their eye. To make them stop scroll through dozens of same looking pictures. That's something you can never learn. It comes from the soul.A talented artist can make broken anatomy, broken perspective, wobbly lines, no color, no rendering, no shadow or broken impossible shadow drawing work. Catch the viewer by their soul's balls with invisible hand and force them to mentally engage with the drawing, force them to feel something. Doesn't matter if it's some high art or some smut.Meanwhile talentless hacks will waste hours on setting up perfect perspective, mathematically calculate perfect shadows and values and composition and still produce something dull, uninspiring. Their art will be background noise, perceived by no one, remembered by no one and will influence no one.A talented artist will become a good memorable artist first and THEN will take their art even further beyond and learn the intricacies of fine arts. A talentless hack, on the other hand, finds himself before an insurmountable wall that he's ill equipped for andhopes to climb it by learning "fundamentals". Not realizing - if he is forced to learn them to make the first step, he had already lost.
>>8016410>My goal is to [the hardest fucking thing ever outside of a full figure from imagination at any angle]Same bro.
i didnt "spend time", i was a natural at drawinganyway [censored key information kn impending legal proceedings]
>>8016410Also>perfectionisticThere’s a difference between perfectionism and meeting the minimum standard. I have to struggle for hours just to meet the minimum standard. The drawing I posted is definitely not perfect, but I posted it anyway, because I think it’s at least close to the minimum standard
>>8016416shut up lmao
>>8016411Nope, I have literally been trying and failing for 8 years. If you want advice on how to NOT learn how to draw then I’m your guy
>>8016416nodraw post
>>8016417wild exaggerations.
>>8016417The skull itself is not that complex or difficult of a form. It’s symmetrical, splits nicely into just two distinct parts, etc. I’m not trying to draw a photorealistic skull with bone detailing and lighting from imagination, just a simplified one, like the one I just posted. And I do think I’m getting closer to that goal
>>8016416You're not wrong. Good ideas deathmog fundies 90% of the time.
>>8016423cant know what doesnt work if you dont know what workswasted 8 years of your lifeif that sounds awful consider there are probably 1 or 2 anons here who wasted 50 years, shit look high school teachers, they waste their entire lives
>try to do a portrait of a beautiful girl>ends up looking like big mom from one piecefucking hell I'm going back to stick figures and anime bullshit
>>8016429In fairness it’s more like… 6ish years wasted. From late 2018 to early 2020 I was drawing a lot, learned basic observation and line control, etc. Didn’t make a ton of progress but I at least got my feet wet and learned a lot about what DOESN’T work. From covid until now though I stagnated hard, wasn’t doing it as much, just really aimless and making no progress. Lately I feel rejuvenated though and I think I have another chance
im gonna draw from life to learn perspective. later nerds
>>8016416This person does not draw.
>>8016434what is the best work (study, original piece, whatever) you did during those 6 years
>>8016416
>>8015876>>8015815Thanks so much again, Made another attempt following the suggestions and trying to use "L" and "T" rules to help readability. I will look into Kinnikuman PO and try to study it. >>8016246Actually really good anon.
>>8016448can you teach me what he taught you lol
>>8016384one last before moving on (100th illus on this pc!)god I hope they manage to animate this moment well
>>8016424>>8016438>no works attachedIronic.Here's something I drew not long ago.I'll have to explain the scene since you need to be able to read cyrillic - she wrote an obscene word on the fence and is trying to hide the spray can from the viewer. I refuse to engage with fundies further than this level, until I can produce work after work that will make people reply to it and call it soulful. This one was a success, the others after that sucked. No fundamentals can save an unmemorable boring drawing. A talented artists makes shitty scribbles look sovlful.
>>8016345His thin white duke phase was goated
>>8016328Thanks, yeah I think I didn't forshortennit properly>>8016349Thanks
so mogged
>>8016455Anon you literally have a severe fundies error in this drawing, the forms aren’t overlapping the way they should if you were looking down at her from this angle so it just looks like her legs are really tiny, it doesn’t actually look like they’re in perspective. Just open Design Doll and look down at the model from above and see how it’s different
>>8016455measuring your success by the engagement it produces is the ultimate zoomer brainrotjust look inside yourself and figure out if this is the thing you actually want to be making
>uploading files from your ip range has been temporarily blocked due to abuseAnyway, here's my attempt at gesture drawinghttps://files.catbox.moe/j46e6r.jpg
>>8016467how do you decide where light hits and not, like which crevice
>>8016467very nice
>>8016475Something funny going on in the torso but idk what. Probably not showing the overlap right
>>8016475sexy amputee
>>8016455Do you even post your stuff anywhere but here? I mean, I get you want validation and engagement on your drawings, but baiting for dubious "sovl" replies in /ic/ of all places? Come on man...broaden your horizons at least.
>>8016473It's an attempt at blocking in shadow shapes. It's a bit sporadic compared to the reference's shadow placement but trying to make the form stand out more.>>8016475Thank you
loosely copying manga panels is..fun!?
lines and basic colorslunch, then figure out light and shadow>>8016483nice
>>8016483fun is most important
Long time no see /ic/Ink and watercolor geriatric frogman
>>8016491lovely
>>8016378
>>8016462Did I claim I have no errors? What point are you making? Would perfect perspective improve this drawing? Only technically. But it's irrelevant to art. It would be a better drawn art. Not better art. Different things.>>8016464Art is created to converse with the world around on a higher level than words. The bad art is unintelligible mumbling to yourself. The good art moves people. Whether you want to reduce it to "engagement on social media" is your choice.>>8016480I wasn't talking about /ic/. I barely post here these days. I posted it in other art communities and got good responses. Technically flawed but has soul.
>>8016501what about me
>>8016504>Would perfect perspective improve this drawing?Very much so, yes. Doesn’t even have to be “perfect”>But it’s irrelevant to artIt’s really not
meh>>8016477her rib is broken, too wide below booba
>>8016507sexo>>8016484>>8016483cute>>8016467mogs me>>8016455sovl
>>8016507Cute. I like the square clouds
>>8016467Wouldn't want to be making THAT.
>>8016487Except there are things you can't draw even if they're fun
>>8016507Coomslop, shoo!
>>8016512that what?>>8016507GoonGod stay
>>8016505
Is there something off with this like is her head too big
>>8015777shit and also poop
>>8016522bro... you forgot me?
>>8016523The head seems fine. The hair and tail are a mess, but this is still one of your better drawings.
>>8016526u-uugh
>>8016525>>8015651I know these aren't super appealing or anything but I recommend drawing using a brush with no jitter, my line confidence went up
>>8016448
Am I feeling it now mr crabs
>>8016548hes a big guy
>>8016549For you.
>>8016475WA
More anatomy slop.
>>8016569Wa waa
Another sketch. Not really feeling this one :P
>>8016591Aside from the left girl’s mouth being off center it looks good.It doesn’t really feel like the Monogatari girls though, I didn’t notice it was them until I saw the hair accessories
>>8016484looks good anon :)
>>8016254looks good
rizzed up the colors a little>>8016579speaking from experience you will forget 95% of this after you finish this>>8016491mogs the thread desu
>>8016603>speaking from experience you will forget 95% of this after you finish thisI forget it the moment I do it. The point here is not to memorize it all, I am not a medical student. It is just to familiarize myself. Then I distill it into more simple, stylized, and reusable information (visually; I rarely remember names, even more when I group them), which is easier to persist in memory and practice later.
>>8016401cheers, shall be attempting this
Why are /beg/ and /int/ lumped under a single thread? 99% of the thread mogs my /permabeg/slop
>>8016623Whenever there’s a separate /int/ thread it’s just nothing but arguing over what counts as /int/ or not. If it’s all one thread then it doesn’t matter
>>8016623Yeah, it should be intermediate and advanced. Most shit in here is not beg, not even by a long shot, and actual begs are too self-conscious to post their crap when they see this.
>>8016630>too self-conscious to post their crap when they see this.ngmi
>>8016630idk I'm turbobeg and I like having the bigger thread with more company
>>8016507The way the edges warp makes it look like a calendar somewhere, maybe in a juxtaposed way. I don't mean anything by it, it’s just a thought.
>>8016630The average skill level of the thread has gone up over time. It used to be majority hyper awful day one Loomis scribbles but you don't see that as much anymore, and you see way more finished pieces that actually look kinda ok
So this is the path to escaping /beg/...
>>8016651I would say this is the path to enter /beg/.
>>8016651Now start adding volume to the noses to practice forms intersecting.
>>8016646Well, of course the average skill level went up, because it was made into the int thread, too.
>>8016646>The average skill level of the thread has gone up over timeOnly because the brazilian talentfags appeared.
nonsense bg>>8016508>>8016597thanks
>>8016623Link the pictures that don't
>>8016653This leveled up my art.
doodle>>8016523The hair rendering isn't working. It's way too busy, with way too many black lines. You're applying too much value locally. Spend some time studying hair and furry artists.>>8016507The hair coloring is beautiful. Great work, anon.>>8016491real life watercolor physics beats everything. Cute work.>>8016448You're doing great, pure sexo. Keep internalizing those simple principles and observing more art, and you'll have more fun.
>>8016523
>>8016671zoomoid fluoride stare
>>8016677millenial atrazine sissy stare
>>8016687>>8016685lol
>>8016685You say that like it's a super combo move or something.
>>8016698construction god!
>>8016646There are not many people around, so splits will just leave two people who would post the Loomis heads alone, and you would not have a thread. If this is the plan, you could just make a megabeg Loomis head thread and see it for yourself
>>8015642How do you even start rendering these sorts of diamond patterns?
>Look up drawing exercises>Tons of cool form and perspective ones that I would enjoy where you rotate boxes and intersect shapes and shit>But I need to work on observation/proportionality mostly at my stage>Look up drawing exercises for those specifically>Worst imaginable psychic torture ever conceived by the human mind like "draw a dot, then another dot. then draw a third dot even spaced in the middle."No way out but through it I guess.Also does stuff like grid lines, enveloping, and plumb lines help develop proportionality skill, or is it more like a tool to get good results in the mean time while you develop the skill? Am I overthinking all this and I should Just Draw?
>>8016715inspired me to do some really good figure work
>>8016746that how i begin all of my drawings lol
>>8015849someone who has no idea what looks interesting fron a training perspective
>>8016522thank you
>>8016506Utterly wrong.
I should clean my room.
just draw
>>8016776love it when the soda can Is 1m long
Any video or book on the basics of how to hold the arm and draw on an easel like in the classical academies? I watch videos, but they are actually a teacher talking about how to draw something (for example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y15mAjG6yW8 ) and I can watch how he uses his arm, but my idea is a video dedicated to watching how you're supposed to use your arm and shoulder for drawing
>>8016829New masters academy beginners course has something like that. It used to be free, no idea if it's still is.
>>8016832could you please provide a link to the resource, anon? if you still remember where it is, naturally.
>>8016833Yeah I can google it for you lmaohttps://www.nma.art/v3/course-catalog/courses/781200/
>>8016835thanks anon, I'll take it from here and dive into the site, searching for what I'm looking for
very broken something
>>8016838long limbs
>>8016736based
>>8016838Dude, all of what you draw is amazing. Keep doing the good work
>>8016838not helping people that are better than me
>>8016860Loser mentality
>>8016862alright, the leg on the right has no volume
>>8016865If he's better than you, then how could you know?
>>8016838lovelythe lower leg looks longer than the upper, and the width of the arm is a bit too narrow in general compared to the thighstill, that might be the design you want
>>8016873this, be quiet begger
i have no fucking clue how hatching works. I just draw sone lines and hope for the best
>>8016860Isn't it somewhat self-contradictory>>8016865The statement itself is true. But because you called your commentary "help" something like: "You're doing legs wrong, this is how legs should be done" {pic related}, then it would look more like an attempt to helpAnd I would say Yeah, it makes much more sense now.This is me helping you make your help more helpful
>>8016423Tell me all you did, so I know what to avoid.
>>8016523Gun light as a feather?
>>8016886consider finding an artist to do a study of. i find Vredeman de Vries hatching to be beautiful. the perspective can be wonky at times due to it not being completely figured out yet when he was alive, but his cross hatching is great.
>>8016909things to avoid is how to permabeg. so you are already on this path. permabegnees usually the result not of doing something specific, but of not doing a lot of stuff enough, and general retardation
>>8016911gonna have to read up on how to indicate form with hatching. I'm barely one month in but I think hatching looks aesthetic
>>8016917Crazy good
>>8016838you just KNOW
>>8016925Its by Katsuya Terada
>>8016886Rendering in Pen and Ink by Arthur Guptill.
>>8016838knee is touching the canvas
>>8016813i hate FIAT, it's just so gay
oh my god i think i finally get rendering ohhhh god im cumming aaaaaaaaahh ahh stinky boy milk everywhere fuck fuck fuck it feels so goodis this what enlightenment feels likeoh my goodness
>>8016961pyw
>>8015642How the hell do I get 3d perspective and forms?
>>8016971by practicing morenext question
>>8016894his work has broader appeal than mine and i recognize that it has more skill expression that my own too, so he is better.I am not doing clown bullshit, he understood what i meant surely, the people who dont understand just dont matter.I dont like how begs here seem to expect that they will be handed out revelations about drawing, i wasnt handed out a single thing, no really, all of my improvement came from recognizing what i was missing and going through the torture of googletube to learn, and good old studying.If anybody here expects me to explain to them all of the ins and out of how to draw good figures in 1000 characters they can fuck themselves.and fuck you, clown.
>>8016971use 3d software.
>>8016973>I dont like how begs here seem to expect that they will be handed out revelations about drawing, i wasnt handed out a single thing, no really, all of my improvement came from recognizing what i was missing and going through the torture of googletube to learn, and good old studying.Holy mother of TRVKES
>>8016973Why are you even here anon lmao
>>8016978better signal to noise ratio than danbooru
>>8016978we have no int+ general on /ic/ sadly because retarded begs can't stop shitting up the thread with their garbage
please go draw
>>8016973No one asked anything of you specifically. You volunteered
>>8016971I can only draw flat drawings. its over
>>8016990Also even after reading hampton and literally seeing bone landmarks I can't get boxes correctly.Will practicing more fix this?
I noticed I tend to draw characters leaning to the left and I only realize it when I flip he canvas. Does that mean I have some brain tumor or something?
>>8016990looks greatflat is justice
>>8016996Thanks! but I meant like 3d perspective haha.Sorry that I wasn't clear
>>8016994This seems like really good practice though, definitely going in the right direction
>>8016998Thank you so much for guidance!
>>8016997you litreally understand it, you been asking the same question for months now. how about finishing something instead for once. or moving on to light which can ehance the 3D
>>8016985i wasnt talking with you + suck my dick
>>8016995I think its the brain-eye-hand coordination.Saito naoki had problem of drawing slightly warped drawings and he later found out one of his eye was positioned a bit higher.
>>8017000Thanks but I don't think I get 3d.Like I can only draw flat perspectives I can't draw deep perspectives. Def going to try drawing finished drawings in the future. Thanks.
>>8016997>Sorry that I wasn't clearIt was clear enough, I'm just kidding (the flat part, not the great part)>>8017001>i wasnt talking with you actually you did
>>8017000I think I might be retarded.I have severe mental illness and I have parkinsonism,and I am also slowly getting alzhiemers from sleeping pills,which lowers my learning process
>>8017002my right eye is higher up and i dont have this problem, though i tend to go out of proportion while reworking areas, like if i am trying to get the shape of an eye/cheekbone right in a portrait i will have to redraw the chin and jaw lower, like moving the entire drawing slowly through the paperi'd like to think thats a technique issue.
>>8017010I want to draw something like this guyhttps://x.com/UNJALGEUSSEUcool men and also cute anime girls.
>>8017009>he>means i am talking to you because it refers to youwhat the fuck is this autism? if i say donald trump is a retard am i talking to him?
>>8017010I think the other anon is righttrying to light the volumes can also show you where their structure is weakand placing cast shadows is good exercise for spatial awareness
>8017014my bad i am low iq, whatever you win great job.
>>8017012Yeah that might be the case. Anyway, best wishes and also wish you crazy amount of art gains.
>>8017015Thanks maybe I gotta try that. But I am so ass at giving values(shadows) like I don't know the process of doing that.
>>8017020place a camera facing the same direction as the lightwhatever the camera doesn't see, is in shadow(rinotuna has a course dedicated to this principle, pic related)as for assigning values to the shadows, it depends on ambient light, but a good starting point is halfway to black from the average light value
>>8017026The principle/trick/approach is fully described and explained in your post. The tricky part could be visualizing the object from the light point.
what?
>>8017034What?
im having fun
>>8015777
>>8017043No you aren't
I assume everyone here is able to consider the arm's extensor carpi radialis brevis in a forced pronation position, right?
>>8017048I forced your mom into a pronation position last night, ayy lmao
>>8017026Thank you so much artchad!
>No you aren't
>>8017002I wonder if I have something like this. I swear to god that perfect circles look slightly horizontally elongated to me, so my circles always come out warped unless I consciously account for it. My vision is also just shit in general though, even with my glasses on
>>8016990Literally open up Design Doll and trace over the model
why am i sturggling with drawing noses brehs
>>8016285you dont
I wonder if I'm better with trad pencils, though I'm sure I'm better with digital inking
Anatomy gods, is this bulged muscle (red arrow) still triceps? Does triceps cover that much ground in this position? Or is it a forearm muscle?
>>8017154thats still the tricep
>>8017154Yes, that's still triceps
>>8017156>>8017158thanks frens
I’m not motivated to finish my sketches… it’s a cycle of working on a sketch, deciding I don’t like it, and starting something different
>>8017161you dont like a single sketch you made nigga? Then maybe youre right to skip finishing them you gotta get good
>>8017161justdraw
been drawing noses for two days
>>8017173pyn
thread kinda slow, where are the drawings
Its been 1 month since I've drawn. I've noticed no regression in my stylus handling (somehow) but I guess all of the regression went to my decision making. I have do idea how to start and finish shit anymore (not like I was finishing anything in the first place). I've forgotten how I did hair, forgotten how I've done faces, forgotten how I do bodies. I haven't even attempted anything harder than a front facing pose yet, I'm afraid of how it'll turn out.I have high hopes though, I haven't regressed as far as I expected. I tried to practice spatial visualization during my break (imagining things really hard), but I dont think it had any effect. It feels good to be back. That default charcoal brush is great, I should use it more often.Did I miss anything huge on this board while I was out? I know everyone here missed me.>>8017154Looks great, the legs have this amazing harmony
>>8017137Digital sketches can never be as kino as trad sketches of the same level. You instantly gain appeal points if you do it in trad
>>8017160There's only 3 muscles on the upper arm, the only one that might be sneaky is the brachialis
>>8017186I used to say that but then I got a job and could afford a tablet lmao
>>8017186Actual cope lmao
>>8017191I was finally converted away from using paper by default to doing everything digitally, once I got a small portable tablet that I can use in bed and on the couch. I’ve always had a Cintiq on my desk and never preferred it for sketching, but the convenience of being able to whip out the little tablet and draw anywhere anytime is too appealing. He’s still right that trad drawings will always have intrinsic soul in a way that digital won’t though
>>8017186thats just the paper texture, you can just add a paper texture to digital sketches and it looks the samea layer of obfuscation always makes thing look better
Fuck this expensive hobby. 20 sheets of good paper for bazillions? No wonder I will never make it.
>>8017207lil bro printing paper dont cost that much
>>8017208Bad paper = bad drawings. Good papers = good drawings. It is common knowledge.
Finally drew something other than blank figures today. I'll touch it up later.>>8016623I think the segregation is dumb to begin with. I wanna see whatever pro is lurking post his stuff here too and give advice if possible.>>8016838long limbs are hot.
>>8017225Are the toes supposed to be this long?
>>8017227More bone-y than long.
>>8015642i'm watching x files and drawing/learning heads/faces/hair from some pics i found on yandexrate my drawing, took me 5 minutesi'm also testing krita's pens
>>8017236mogs me
Knowledge. I am becoming Knowledge. Knowledge is filling my /beg/ brain.
>>8017225Hold it right there.
i suck at drawing mechs/vehiclesone of many things I need to improve at
>>8015642How do I naturally get into drawing gestures? I realized that unless I'm specifically copying a pose from a photograph, all my random doodles from imagination are just, well, this.
>>8017238the left one?i have been using style 17 whitch coincidentaly looks like ashley's from resident evil
>>8017244Scampuss my beloved.
I might have to invest in a screen tablet bros...Whenever I see someone use one I can't shake the feeling that I would be way more accurate with my lines
>>8017265Very nice. Morpho's such a good book.
>>8017265something something brush economy
>>8017137noice
>>8017265I coom to square brushes
hello everyonei have been learning to improve by drawing my favorite character of all time, brian griffin from family guyplease be patient with me i love him so much
>>8017277omg kino
>>8017277This has potential. You should unironically consider catering to the Family Guy meme crowd.
>>8015679This turned out kinda eh.
>>8017277
>>8017283yeah i agree
>>8017284Her torso looks like a worm.You have very nice lines but the anatomy isn't there
>>8017284A body like a Chinese steel mill accident. kekGood try anon. Next time try to add some definition to the torso instead of those random double lines.
>>8017284good lordlike the other anon said, you have nice lineart, but your observation, anatomy and understanding of form is poor
>She had some breakfast
redrawing an old sketch I didn't finish
>>8017297Oh hey it's you. Is she your own character or from something else?>>8017299I like your faces. Did you follow any particular tutorial/guide?
>>8017302Hello! She is my character :D
>>8017302>I like your faces. Did you follow any particular tutorial/guide?Ty. I think I watched some Hide videos about faces a while ago but mostly I have just studied the faces of artists I like.
welcum 2 chunderdome>>8017279https://youtu.be/43EnC_1oh5E?list=RD43EnC_1oh5E
>>8017279>>8017283>>8017285thank you for letting me cook with this onei love him so much i could strangle himhe is the sole reason i want to improve as an artist
>4 schizo in a row
>>8017318ihhihih np <3>>8017309:DDD
>>8016985why are you posting a piece meant to dunk on permabeg schizo's work of over a year ago, zzz?
>>8017318>>8017277cool brians>>8017290>>8017279nice tits
>>8017318>>8017277the most intriguing artist we've had in ages. maybe the one who will finally make it
>>8017296When you say form do you mean it dosen't look 3d? As in their dosen't look like theirs planes, just so I know what I'm fucking up.
>>8017322>bird titsI want to FUCK that bird.
>>8017338Why?
>>8017338How do I achieve this level of mental illness?
WHY IS EVERY APPLICATION ON MY PC LEAKING MEMORY FUCK>>8017338imagine making up this story and posting it on a chinese basket weaving forum
>>8017299cutie>>8017265those are great>>8017247scot robertson how to draw is good start
computer, generate images of floppy goose titshttps://youtu.be/9HqAdrLHi84?list=RD43EnC_1oh5E
>>8017277>>8017318>one of the most insufferable characters in the show>literally the Lisa Simpson of Family Guy>still like him because he has such a good dynamic with Peter and StewieKeep trucking Brian Griffin guy
practicing drawing from imagination
>>8017345kurumi cute. thanks for drawing her
>>8017349>Lisa Simpsoni take offense to thisbrian griffin is infinitely more interestinglisa simpson was born smart and she’s a child prodigybrian pretends he’s an intellectual and he had to suffer thru some bullshit to get therethank you so much i will keep trucking i will improve thanks to brian griffin
>>8017340I was bored and getting fairly low numbers anyway since my drawings suck ass, I thought I'd check if it did anything.Also some of my stuff was getting added in boorus by bots and spread by other bots, but while I believe uploading there should only be done by unemployed autists and that it stopped some of my pieces from ending in places they're too shit to be in it's just a bonus.
>>8015679
>>8017360Terrifying.
>>8017360bro doesn't believe in non-binary lighting
>>8017358>brian pretends he’s an intellectual and he had to suffer thru some bullshit to get there
so many pity (you)s, it was a particularly poor study ig>>8017276yeah man I find square brush renderings appealing too, haven't figured it out yet tho
how do i get good enough to start being uploaded to boorus>>8017359can i see some of your work
>>8017367Draw and improve for a few years ig. Also draw popular characters
>>8017367Drawing niche franchises can also work.The quality threshold is not that high ime.
>>8017366Top left is best one. Really nice gesture.
>>8017377because that one was reffed from a thread challenge haha
>>8017379Are blues from imagination? They're still not bad, but non referenced drawings almost always look worse than referenced ones unless you're a pro.
Is there excersises to get better at observation? I keep having to copy>paste>overlay on the thing I'm drawing, then it takes about 5 of that to get it right which is just kind of lame and feels like cheating.
>>8017381Krenz grid studies
>>8017337heehhehe>>8017324tyhank you <3
Today’s life drawings so far
>>8017389
>>8017390
>>8017367In my case it's just that I draw a bunch of stuff on 4chan so it goes something like>Draw whatever on some thread on /co/, /v/ or /trash/>Anons there archive every last bit of OC on the board, if you doodled some bullshit on /v/ or /vg/ months ago it's probably on vidya.pics for example>A bot scrapes that sometimes, if it's rated at least "questionable" it ends up on Rule34 and if it has certain furry girls on e621>Then it spreads to fuck knows where thanks to other bots scraping those, I've seen some of it being used to illustrate a Vietnamese fanfic about what Google translate told me were dieselpunk lesbian zombies
>>8017415noice
>>8017362>Unc found an excuse to drop a Pandora's Box reaction image. Happy for you brother
Any time I draw a dogshit elf I just tell myself it's OK because it's an Elder Scrolls elf and they're supposed to look like that.
>>8017358Both have had ups and downs. I think they're the kind of characters that work fine when the writer is really good but they're kind of a trap character for midwit writers
>>8017419I must be retarded. Why am I honestly responding to shitposts
>>8017417kek right back at ya
>>8016813Thisisthecoolest
>>8017343I'm now horny thinking of chubby kurapika
gave up, why does drawing have to be so hard?Is learning construction the only way I can improve?
Drawing another robot gal. I tried painting today and it looked like ass. I keep putting it off even though I know I'll need to learn it eventually.
>>8017444If you're struggling with basic observation and accuracy then construction honestly won't help much and might just confuse you. You should be able to accurately copy a reference just going line by line and measuring the proportions
>>8017453kinda looks like skibidi toilet cameraheads
>>8017453You could start small and practice the silhouette of shadows.
>>8015679gave it a try
>>8017454I'm not trying to blindly copy the reference (even if thats what i usually do). I wanted to give the guy a suit instead of that shirt but it was hard, so I ragequit. Most of my issues are probably because its a bad reference photo.If I could draw from imagination I would, but all my attempts turn out like pic related.
https://youtu.be/Po_dBFmT4rc?list=RDPo_dBFmT4rc>>8017453yo super dank robots
Prove that you are int by redlining the guy
>>8017476Actually just draw him. That's the new thread challenge
mostly just comfort zone drawings
schizo face doodles>>8017228If you’re going to have designs that are symmetrical, I would spend more time making those symmetries look as even as possible. From the thumbnail, the pointy wing things look wonky, and at scale, they look off. You seem a little lost on how to progress.>>8017352Great, keep going! There are many exercises you can do to improve. My favorite is to scribble and then try to find something to draw from the scribbles.>>8017444>>8017471I think you’re doing fine. You just need to learn how to abstract what you see. If you want to draw suits, find references (drawings, not real photos), see how other artists do it, and copy them.
>>8017464I can usually manage that to a certain extent. I just don't know how to paint different materials yet (like metal and plastic in this case). I should probably try to grab some simple objects and paint those.Great figures by the way. You capture the feeling of the gestures quite well.
bath drawinghow do you come up with ideasmy drawings are like a cloned cow; udderly lacking any originality
>>8017492i dont think originality is your problem here: the dress and shouldered gun are nice although shoddily drawn. the head is too large for the body imo, you should try to achieve more appealing anatomy. also lazy to not finish the hair.
>>8017483crop your canvas and label it as studies.
>>8017492your drawings are lacking perspective. i think your ideas are fine, but execution is bad
>>8017479do you have military background, by any chance?
>>8017476there's nothing wrong with the guy, he's just skinny and the suit gives him fake shoulders. the hand is foreshortened.
>>8017474you belong in the streets
>>8017493>>8017496yeah I was drawing on the floor of a bathroom for ten minutesnot excuse the pile quality this, I need to do betterty nonnersI have that perspective made easy book so maybe I'll try learning from that
>>8017492Character looks cool. Start asking questions about who they are and what they do and an idea for a situation to put them in often presents itself
>>8017497i really like reading about military history but i havent been in the military myself
>>8017467beautiful.
>>8017495No, it’s already below 200 KB, it’s not worth the effort.
>>8017464do you have an artist that inspires you? do you want your work to look like theirs?
>>8017509I have an influence map, but a lot of my favorite artists aren't necessarily one's I'd want to copy, I like looking at mechs and furries, but I'm not sure I want to draw mechs and furries. If I had to pick someone I want my art to look like I'd probably choose Mikamuse, Okinawanogori, Karasu-Chan, Shuibaow and Takako.
>>8017483Thanks, it's coming along well
>>8017476Floating anime heads
>>8017557Appeal draining… fading away…
>>8017577why dont you polish things?
Today’s anatomy practice - forearm muscles
>>8017479Dope stuff per usual, big fan of your style
I CANT DRAW. I CANT FUCKING DRAW.I PICK UP THE PENCIL AGAIN ONLY TO GET MOGGED AND RAPED BY ANY FUCKING FUCK IN A WEEK.
>>8017615Glad I’m not you.
>>8017617TALENTED RAT
>>8017621I’m a hard worker, not talented.
>>8017615>I PICK UP THE PENCIL AGAIN ONLY TO GET MOGGED AND RAPEDgiwtwm>>8017624I wish I were a hard worker, you have it easy
i really like this kind of style but i have no idea about the name of itit is 'the' thing that activates something in me
>>8017624That is what every single talented fuck wants to believe. What every successful businessman swears by. What every pro athlete will brag of in interviews.Its all me.Luck wasnt a factor. It wasnt handed to me.I had to work harder than anyone else.You dont know what it means to be some talentless trash that will never make it. Otherwise you wouldnt think so highly of yourself.
>>8017631What trash like you thinks means nothing to me.
>>8017642You have replied thrice already. Were you any confident you would have ignored it. So shut up now.
>>8017646>c-cared enough to reply!This has always been the saddest cope reply possible.
>>8017608More
AHHHHHHH I CANT FUCKING DRAW.
So... sorry if this is a dumb question, but do you guys ever feel embarrassed about what you like to draw because you feel it doesn't fit people's mental image of you? I'm an adult man, I like lifting weights, and I tend to come off as pretty stoic/serious most the time... yet I enjoy drawing girls in a very "girly/lolita" type of way. Lots of pink, stuffed animals, frilly stuff etc. I'm not gay or anything, but yeah.. my family asks me what I draw and I'll show them anatomy/landscape sketches and what not, but my true interests I keep to myself because I think they'll just be weirded out. Do any of you guys relate to this?
>>8017670you just have to do your best
>>8017680MY BEST IS LESSER THAN ANY TALENTED'S WORST.WHAT DO YOU EVEN DO WHEN YOUR BEST ISNT ENOUGH?
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU DRAW APPEALING HIPS?
>>8017673I feel you man I look like richard stallman and I exclusively play as cute girls in video games and like giving them pretty outfitssimilar to you, I am not gay.
>>8017673no need to feel embarrassed, however do not show your regular stuff to normies or especially your family members as they will likely not get it and it might permenently damage their image of you. Keep those to yourself or other online only.
>>8017631you are such a fucking retard, just go ahead and kill yourself immediately.
>>8017673when people look at me they can tell that i am completely soulless, i just draw whatever i happen to appreciate at that moment.When i was younger and fat, muscle and hormones hadnt destroyed my face they would ask me why i looked so serious, now i am just disgusting so nobody cares
>>8017719Really cool
>>8017673I sometimes get panic attacks thinking of what would happen if my family/coworkers discovered the psychosexual horrifying shit i draw
https://files.catbox.moe/2nbgao.pngPostan muh loli /beg/ drawing of Coco x Agott yuri that I finally finished.
>>8017673I compartmentalize to an absurd degree because of anxiety, so the fact that I draw is a closely-guarded secret that's life or death. My family has no idea, it's only linked to my online persona, my IRL identity isn't an artist at all.I'm kinda embarrassed to show anyone what I draw, partly because it feels at odds with how I think people see me, yeah, but also because it's sexual in nature most of the time. It seems like it'd be natural to be a little cagey about it. You're expressing your inner thoughts and covert interests, that's not exactly something that you share openly with people just because it's art.
Here's a rapid ten minute study before I start copying Bridgman again.>>8017673I really want to draw cool girls with big tits, big muscles, in mechs, barely sfw, etc. Basically just cool stuff for myself. Thing is, you've described me to a tee, except for the Lolita-thing, but I'm not going to shame you for that. Adult, fitness, sociable, etc. I keep having to draw more normal stuff, like anatomy and portraits to show regular people, but it's not what I like to draw. I really wish I had a group of friends to draw and share stuff like that, but alas. My regular friends are rather normal in comparison to my interests. I'd wager if I was really good at drawing, it would be more justified that I were drawing sexy girls, so that's my goal for now.>>8017444I'd love to see some of your painted pieces.>>8017479I love the guys in the top right.>>8017492I really enjoy your latest works, anon. Keep it up.>>8017577>>8017597These are great! I love the loose style.>>8017629I like it too.>>8017719Brilliant.
>>8017444I miss-clicked, and my comment about the painted works was to >>8017453Still, I actually do like your drawing, but my comment was too long. Drawing is legit one of the easiest and cheapest hobbies to get into, but also one of the hardest to master, and one you'll never master completely. I try to stick to small studies no more than 10 to 20 minutes depending on the difficulty or scale. Past that, and you're not learning much, and you'll be more occupied by polishing a turd. Unless you're trying to improve linework, them go ahead, I think. Your biggest struggle seems to be construction in general, and it might be an idea to try and study Hampton or Bridgman, even though it's boring. I do envy your style, a thing I'm trying to improve.
>>8017758nice hand
>>8017766Thanks. I hate drawing hands, which is a reason to keep drawing more of them.
i finally found the answer to all my problems in drawing and potentially in painting.
>>8015707oooh my bro, i feel your pain. i did looked for said rules so many years...
>>8017247Blog?
>>8017770Share with the class???
I just got the new stylus, pressure sensor doesnt work, weighs triple x my old oneplease donald trump nuke china, i will make religious paintings of you and dedicate my entire life to immortalizing you
>>8017800did you update your drivers?
hii drew a brian for my friend who is supporting my journey to improve as an artistits his oc with a briangriffin being lovedi hope he likes it
>>8017719Almost feel like this could be in an official artbook, it's really good
>>8017800Ah modern technology...you never cease to impress. In the past, we imagined the future of technology in all sectors to be easier, more convenient, less manual work, yet, expecting things to just...work. You could just plug in your new pen tablet "Initialising drivers sir!"then presto, you can use your tablet with it's inbuilt pressure sensitivity with no hassle, maybe just a required restart....but no. Instead, we padded, sanitised, idiot proofed technology and computing so much it no longer works and requires more manual, obtuse macgyvering from the user- but rejoice! for we've finally accomplished accessibility - so now the dumbest people in the world can be louder and more distracting. It only took your entire adult life and trillions of dollars in "R&D"...isn’t this great?
>>8017513You have a lot of lineart drawings there, but some paintings too. I just can't see you do paintings with how much focus and care you put in your lines. This reminds me, I never made my influence map. I should get right on it.
>>8017513Also, all images except one are really colorful, but your own work is monotone. Why is that?
>>8017719hiding feet as usualfeels cramped on top
>>8017758that's impressive for 10 minutes, especially the hair, but do you really want people to appreciate your work for the amount of time it took rather than on its own merit?
>>8017824work on your faces, they're rather unappealingthe lines on the leg were unnecessary too
>>8017806>mouse drawingshe should lean forward more
>>8017816>mental illness
>>8017845High sensitivity mouse is just comfy.>she should lean forward moreDamn, didn't notice. Already fixed pose to lean forward more few times, but still not enought
>>8017840>hiding as usualthis is pure slander>feels crampedgot squished by the edge of the canvas
>>8017843I guess you're right about that. I'll be more mindful about that. In my view, it's more about excusing myself for making mistakes that I can be more aware of next time, more than anything else. Thanks for the compliment, though. I don't really draw for appreciation, but more just because I don't want to be a nodraw lurker. I just really like to look at good art and contribute in some way.
>>8017815? i am on an android tablet, shit should just work, thats like linux and shit.
honestly, i am sending this stylus back and not buying another, fuck art i am done, all of my recent studies have been complete failures i am not built for this shit
>>8017844>work on your faces, they're rather unappealingThat's just asians, any attempt at removing stylisation results in their blatant bug-esq features being more prominent. jk jk...I'll go grind master studies or some shit.
>>8017858Which drawing tablet do you use with your android tablet? That would help a lot.
>>8017859If you give up, you’ll regret it.Imagine quitting now and looking back a year from now thinking what you could have done with that year if you didn’t quit. Imagine how terrible that would be.
>>8017864I meant stylus.
>>8017866i am never making it in art anyway lol, there is levels to this shitit doesnt matter.
>>8017866The sunk cost fallacy always drags me back.
>>8017868Neither are alot of us. I gave up on "making" it years ago, whatever metric you want to use to describe that. The age of growing a following organically is done, you're playing an algorithm game with infinity Indians using AI, it's DONE! If you didn't get in the social media game with your art 6 years ago then you never will now.
uh huhbubble delusions triggerdouble nigger
>>8017858>android tablet>shit should just workPick one, not both. Unless it's a wacom or Samsung tablet, an android tablet is not going to "just work". If you want a tablet to just work, get a cheap, used ipad pro and an apple pencil. A 2017 model costs about 150 bucks, plus a 50 dollars for the pencil.Portable tablets are expensive as fuck.
>>8017862asian or not what is prominent is the lack of loomis
>>8017880I did use loomis. Maybe I need a refresh on it, I'm coming back from a long break to be fair.
please nobody tell him
>>8017824along with the problems with structure, try removing some linesone way is to only use lines to indicate overlaps, occlusion and outlines, not plane changes (of course not applicable when you start trying to use value / hatching, but it might be useful as a starting point)try and see how much this idea simplifies the hands and face
>>8017673>>8017691>>8017693>>8017725>>8017743>>8017758Absolutely a bunch of NGMI losers. You are all pathetic to reveal this stuff on 4chan. A bunch of massive faggots.Me? I like anime lolis. I draw anime lolis in small panties and play anime lolis in vidya. Nothing to hide from family, friends, or strangers. The ones who feel uncomfortable with my based hobbies are tasteless and can dilate.
>>8017908based
>>8017908cringe
>>8017855>>8017929imma be honest with you chief, I think it's time for you to graduate from /beg&int/there's nothing for you here except to get attention from anons less skilled than you
>>8017934>there's nothing for you here except to get attention from anons less skilled than youyou assume that's not the reason he posts here
>>8017936truth nuke. and also quite sad.
>>8017940why would it be sad to wish for your art to be seen? why do you think anyone posts their art here?
>>8017934while the first is accidentally cool, the second is not a skill it's just random bits on a flat shape, It's surprising that this is what finally triggered you
>>8017934why would you want skilled artists to leave, especially if they do paintovers occasionally it's good to have a wide spectrum of skill imo
>>8017943not that guy you replied to but:>why would it be sad to wish for your art to be seen?thats what social media / discord channels are for, you'll reach a much broader audience and actual non artists who just appreciate your artwork without looking much at the technical behind it>why do you think anyone posts their art here?to get critique and share in the struggle like artists on the same level as you (think of it as a digital classroom)you could argue this guy can critique well since he's good, but he doesn't contribute to thatthe only reason I can think of why he still posting here is because he is too afraid to post on social media and/or likes to humblebrag about his skill compared to other artists trying to get betterlike you can do something like this >>8015992, why are you still here?
>>8017950by your own logic you might aswell post on reddit
