I notice a pattern with immigrant populations who go to rich tutorial countries: >upon arriving at tutorial country of choice, they are always hard working, contribute a lot to the society of that cuntry>honest to goodness do a lot of sacrifice for their families and save up to become good citizens of that particular country>end up living the immigrant 'dream', over the years and decades get promoted in their jobs, save enough to buy a house and land and cars and apartments, pay off all their debts or mortgages, get their children into school etc>they end up having children there who grow up in that tutorial country, and become citizens of said tutorial country by birth >these children end up becoming spoiled lazy NEET bums who probably play video games/watch anime/browse 4chan all day>the ""native"" population end up framing these children as the problem with immigrationIs this pattern a common thing in your country? Do you fit in that pattern as well?Because of the many immigrants I've talked to this is many times the case, and not only people from my country
>>217038668This is partially true, but another cause is that it's simply become too difficult for all but the highest-skilled immigrants to access work at all.
>>217038668>pay off all their debts or mortgagesHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>217038684I feel that if that is the case, then the immigrants should also work as hard as their ancestors.>>217038733It's true though? How about your immigrants?
>>217038668>these children end up becoming spoiled lazy NEET bums who probably play video games/watch anime/browse 4chan all day4chan posters =/= real life people.
>>217038770>I feel that if that is the case, then the immigrants should also work as hard as their ancestors.I'm talking about first-generation immigrants here, for some groups it is simply not viable to access work, either for legal reasons or because labor complexity has increased to a point where their ability to contribute has become superfluous.
>>217038668it's funny that you say we live in a tutorial country when the successful first gens that come here clearly look like their family has been rich for a while. this is easy for me to tell just from looking because I grew up in New York.
>>217038896for indians particularly those who speak english fluently are already probably in like top 10% of society Philippines is also a bit like this too but to less extent
>>217038889Maybe you can make the argument that this is the case *now*, but it simply wasn't the case decades ago, maybe the 80s and 90s.>>217038797As a country with many immigrants I would think you would agree to my statement.>>217038896Elaborate. I've talked to immigrants who now live in New York and I don't think they were originally rich. I'd like to hear your side of the story.Also, what the fuck is wrong with this fucking site these days. This captcha is annoying.
>>217038944I am talking about now, it's happened to virtually all of the non-EU/EEA immigrants that have arrived since 2000.
>>217038668Naw, we really have tons of lazy, criminal foreigners that need to go
>>217038668there's some truth.I think the main issue was that these kids should never had citizenship, not even the right to stay on our soil.The immigration that was promised (and NEVER voted for) was an immigration of labour.Foreign workers would be let here, work for some times so they can earn some money and hopefully some new skill, and finally go back to their country to reunite with or found their families.I'm honestly not against that, it's beneficial for everyoneInstead we've had what's openly defined has "populating immigration", Through family reunigication laws and de facto jus soli. Add to that "anti-racism" propaganda and you've got the perfect cocktail to kill a nationIt's already over
>>217038981You really don't.
>>217038668>upon arriving at tutorial country of choice, they are always hard working, contribute a lot to the society of that cuntryAnd this is where you're wrong
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>>217039001>let me tell you about your country Yeah, we do.
>>217038668>>upon arriving at tutorial country of choice, they are always hard working, contribute a lot to the society of that cuntry>>honest to goodness do a lot of sacrifice for their families and save up to become good citizens of that particular country>>end up living the immigrant 'dream', over the years and decades get promoted in their jobs, save enough to buy a house and land and cars and apartments, pay off all their debts or mortgages, get their children into school etcNo.
>>217038989>>217038981>>217039023>>217039107Simply put, this is a problem of greed from tutorial countries as they want the good immigrants in and the bad immigrants out (called the brain drain phenomenon).You also want the bad citizens out (criminals and sexpats shipped to shitholes like mine).You are insatiable with your greed and selfishness. You are addicted to immigrants and 3rd world exploit as a result.To be honest, I do not know why many of people in the right side of the political spectrum act like immigration is a net bad thing for tutorial countries when they are the prime beneficiary for it.Do not reply to me if you don't agree on this point. I am not in the mood to argue about it.
>they end up having children there who grow up in that tutorial country, and become citizens of said tutorial country by birth>these children end up becoming spoiled lazy NEET bums who probably play video games/watch anime/browse 4chan all dayThey become criminals just like their original infestations. Their contribution to society is crime violence and a general sense of hatred and dread for life. The parents have a 70-80% unemployment rate. The test scores are worse than African countries. They over representation in violent crime is over 100x.
>>217039215>immigration is a net bad thing for tutorial countries
>>217038668I notice a pattern with anime posters. All the anime posters on /int/ are wearing rose colored glasses on the other countries
>>217039215>want the good immigrants in and the bad immigrants outI merely want to allow them the right to better themselves in my country for a limited timeSomeone who's been a doctor in a developed country for a decade will have learned tons of things, that's typically the argument given by North Africans when taking about brain drain. But if the country from which they come decides it's a bad idea I 100% respect that and even support them.>You also want the bad citizens out (criminals and sexpats shipped to shitholes like mine).I want you to execute them, please do so>when they are the prime beneficiary for itThe so-called benefits are getting replaced in our own homeland. I just know you will rejoice once we're the minority in Europe.You are either stupid or resentful, probably a mix
>>217038668When my parents came here (california) you could buy a house for 30k. Wages have not increased since but houses are now 600k here. Thats why our parents worked and their children dont
>>21703940530k after 30 years of inflation at 6% is 175k though so 600k isn't actually more expensive hehe and there aren't any extra expenses either obviously
>>217039300hmm
>>217038684this is my problem as a second gen immigrant getting a good job is incredibly hard now, and every other job pays so little its not even worth doing
>>217039318>But if the country from which they come decides it's a bad idea This has never been true in our world's history>I want you to execute them, please do soOh no, they have the power of being a tutorial country citizen so it isn't that easy, but that's beside the point. The point is you keep wanting more and more and more. Very insatiable.>>217039272This doesn't mean anything at all. Obviously, the more richer the country of origin, the more educated they are and so on. The more they can give to the economy.It also doesn't show immigrants were given the same economic and social opportunities as citizens in comparison to first class citizens.Is there any statistic that measures the hard work and dedication that immigrants bring? Please show me such statistic.>>217039261>>217039210What happened to germany? Very racist and opportunistic, despite benefiting from immigration by leaps and bounds...
>>217039104https://youtu.be/gIKR1kkIvWA?si=UPuLwuwdFIC-BvkA
>>217038944>As a country with many immigrants I would think you would agree to my statementEven if that were the case, you'd also realize that the people who end up that way are an extreme minority, right?
>>217038668the only other 4channer I've met irl was a fat black guy who couldn't speak Danish.
