I will learn it

I will too

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is /lang/ dead? haven't been here in a while

Speakin of which, how do you guys keep at it? I go all in studying for 2 or 3 weeks and then drop it for 3 months. .

>>222115781
Fellow ADHDer

>>222113449


necesito ayuda con mi pronunciación
https://voca.ro/17JRryUKQcq9
el texto:
En cuanto crecí lo suficiente como para comer pasto, mi madre comenzó a salir a trabajar de día para regresar al anochecer

>>222115781
ive been studying consistently multiple hours a day every day for over a year without missing a single day and am still not conversational or able to understand scaffolded native content

the joy of cat 4 languages

>>222117633
how do you do it?

>>222115781
Estoy haciendo input. No tengo mucho tiempo para postear aqui.

4chan as a wider whole is in its death knell

>>222120351
this

>>222115781
>>222120351
so where do we go once /lang/ is truly dood? the only options nowadays are normie social media sites whose language learning communities are all somehow worse despite being magnitudes more active

>>222120486
Maybe we should finally give in and make that /lang/ discord. This general is a glorified chatroom anyway.

>>222117633
I think it took me at least a year and a half of doing that until kids shows started becoming comfortable to watch with subtitles in Japanese of putting in hours like that. These days I'm pushing into reading literary classics etc... but the hours are insane desu. I couldn't do it again.

>>222113449
Should I buy the language dip and learn Russian? A lot of people use Mandarin to geopolitically diversify, but I'm not convinced the demand for English-Mandarin speakers is going to increase much from where it is now. China is already pumping out a ton of English speakers, and business with the U.S. is declining. Meanwhile, hardly any Americans know Russian; hardly any Russians know English, and relations between the two are literally at rock bottom. It seems like a better place to carve out a niche.

>>222120351
It's sad seeing what this website has become. It's not even like 2017/2018 when I saw spam and newfags drown out all the good content. Now it's just quiet, and most of the posts are from a handful of mentally unwell people who aggressively shit up any potential conversation. Neither quality nor quantity.

Is there a reason for this? Did other places steal most anons, or did the site just go to shit?

>>222115781
>I go all in studying for 2 or 3 weeks and then drop it for 3 months
I do this lol

>>222122119
The internet in general has been dying for the past few years. At this point if you want any semblance of normal people you have to go to Discord

>>222122119
The internet is for a while now a place that exclusively caters to <95iq normies. Everybody worth something has quit it long ago, all communities everywhere are in ruin. Even if 4chins had great leadership and moderation, the result would be almost the same.

>>222122119
the site still gets spammed by off-site groups which is one of the reasons why it's dying, places like discord and xitter have sapped a large chunk of the userbase and younger people only use platforms that they can access on their smartphone through an app
i think we will witness the internet completely die as it gets overregulated by governments, flooded by bots and lose all of its charm, maybe one day there will be a brand new thing that gives rise to a similar culture before being inevitably ruined once again

>>222122353
>normal people
>Discord
Lmao

>>222122353
I tried discord for a bit back in like 2016-2018, but hated the constant drama. Is there a secret to finding comfy servers that have either fun shitposts or good conversation?

>>222122371
>The internet is for a while now a place that exclusively caters to <95iq normies
It's pretty sad. I remember the internet being 90% middle-class White guys up until the 2010's, and even then the normies were safely quarantined into a handful of sites. Now you try talking about anything and either some normie jumps in with a take that was played out ten years ago that he thinks if profound, or some deranged brown or LGBT person has a meltdown over something trivial.

>>222122510
I'd love to see something new come about that has an innate way to filter out retarded normies, but still gets enough traffic to be good. Something interesting about the internet is that people can easily shrug off any infrastructure-level blocks, short of completely turning off the internet like Iran does. But its organic and individual nature makes the internet extremely susceptible to cycles of (1) building a great product that quickly gets a ton of users, and builds a near-monopoly of some important function, such as google and searches, and (2) enshitifying after you've corralled all those users into your clutches with either monetization or regulation.

>>222122612
>>I tried discord for a bit back in like 2016-2018, but hated the constant drama. Is there a secret to finding comfy servers that have either fun shitposts or good conversation?
There isn't, and it's for the same reason there aren't that many cozy IRC rooms. It heavily depends on the channel admin, and most people can't lead for shit.

>>222122119
bots drove out all the good users many years ago and then the bots were removed in the last couple years

>>222122119
All we can do is our best to qualitypost and not just lurk or complain.

>>222121810
I knew someone very high up in the Chinese import/export industry and they told me the prevalence of English among Chinese businessmen worth partnering with and the ease of hiring a translator meant that having Chinese as a second language is only a relevant qualification for sending someone over insofar as it demonstrates a willingness to live there.

>>222120486
language subreddits used to be bad because of constant beginner questions, but now I miss such times. Nowadays it's just advertisement for vibe coded web apps, or obvious bot llm training grounds

>>222113449
Is there a language whose internet is like the old internet?

>>222124311
This is what I've been hearing a lot. People always say Mandarin is good for your career, but it's only useful in a single closed-country that already doesn't have much demand for English speakers.

>>222126133
Yes exactly, and for every one white guy “beginner” there’s 100 American-born Chinese that say it’s a second language even though they grew up speaking at home that you’ll have to compete with. It’s very different even from Spanish because at least the sheer number of Mexicans hopping over the border means it opens doors in sectors outside of international trade (where, again, it doesn’t open nearly as much as people think). Overall, learning a language for monetary gain if you know English is pretty retarded, unless you have a specific assignment or whatever, so you need to have some other meaningful motivator. This person spent decades in China and never learned anything beyond basic pleasantries and they said if anything it was a social advantage since it forced all negotiations into their comfort zone, which I have also experienced doing negotiations with Japanese businesspeople.

>>222126133
>>222127053
I'm finishing the HSK4 vocabulary deck tomorrow (so, I've just seen 1200 total Chinese words in Anki), and deciding to take a break from Chinese for a while because of stuff like this. Either coming back to reading novels in Korean again, or maybe finally dabbling in Japanese. I started to look forward to reading manga and translated Japanese thrillers in Mandarin, which feels retarded instead of just learning le nihongo itself.
I really liked reading graded readers in Mandarin and feeling the obvious improvement, and chatting some Chinese ethots, but after trying bilibili, cdramas and other stuff a bunch I can't see myself enjoying Chinese content for an hour a day or anything. I need to stop coping. But it was a fun project for a few months.

>try Viby-i
>thought I mastered it when I pronounced fil
>try any word with t or d like tiden
>completely fuck it up, can't transition from t to i or even n to i
If the tip of the tongue is supposed to be up against teeth how can I even learn to do this

>>222127485
I had a nearly identical experience when I realized how poor the media environment was. It’s really more important to have something that compels daily engagement instead of forcing it.

>>222115781
Lang has been dying for years but somehow persists.

You got to integrate language learning into your life and develop daily habits. It is hard to break habits once you've set them.

the two stupid youtube jews the lingq guy and the linguist guy convinced me to do the repeat listening/repeat reading thing where you go over the same material until you've made sense of it and it was such a load of fucking bullshit you don't build real comprehension that way you need to hear shit in different contexts

Don't learn mandarin learn classical chinese
Mandarin is useless

>>222122510
>places like discord and xitter have sapped a large chunk of the userbase and younger people only use platforms that they can access on their smartphone through an app
I think this is a huge part of it. The site going offline after that hacking episode for a week or so didn't help either. I bet a lot of people never came back.

>>222124251
really all we can do. I still think there is something special about the convos that one can have here. I've certainly learned a lot from this particular thread over the years.

>>222115781
>I go all in studying for 2 or 3 weeks and then drop it for 3 months. .
Do AJATT with your target language. If you practice it all the time you will be evolving

>>222122371
the internet has been full of mentally ill retards and spammers for as long I remember, and I'm old. People have also been talking about the 'good old day' (5-6 years prior) for over 20 years. If anything the average poster was more retarded and inflammatory back when I was a kid than they are today. The only time the internet was actually good as a social environment was wayyyyy back during the early adoption period when only technical people and well-to-do middle-aged normies used it and real life standards of politeness were still expected.

The only thing that has genuinely declined is that around 15-25 years ago you could find niche, genuinely competent and innovative information and strategy about virtually any skill be it plumbing, 3d art, gardening, videogames or basically anything else. There were a million forums and guides and arguments about how to min-max the best possible build/strategy in videogames and that sort of innovation/hyper-optimization mentality spread to everything else. That's when AJATT and a lot of things like that developed. Sadly that all got drowned out by the millions of spam how-to guides and by reddit killing off all the forums.

>>222128619
>The site going offline after that hacking episode for a week or so didn't help either.
somewhat related but futaba (2chan) experienced a staff mutiny or a hacking, don't remember well, that caused them to create an official discord server and from what i've heard its existence has severely affected the activity on the actual site, people are really eager to jump ship and never return it seems

>>222122771
in theory subcultures should form and create in-speak that is meant to filter outsiders, so there are always going to be small communities with quality content output that gatekeep the normies, however subcultures eventually grow too large and die out which honestly is what happened to 4chan and many other places on the internet

>>222127485
AJATT sucked. what did they actually contribute to the langauge learning community other than tricking people into wasting their time doing sentence cards and changing their operating system language?

>>222128983
well whatever the case it demonstrated a willingness to figure out better ways to do things which is mostly absent now. Nowadays there's almost a blanket hostility towards new ideas as a whole

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What’s the best way to get vocabulary fast without using flash cards?

I'm kinda stuck between French and Japanese, I would just get em both but I think that's impossible

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>>222128983
What is the 'AJATT' acronym I keep seeing on here, and there's also another acronym similar to ajatt that I've seen that I also don't know what it means.

>>222129144
'all japanese all the time'
you pretend you don't know your native language anymore and engage in your target language 24/7. You only do word-lookups in target language with target language defintiions, you only get grammar explanations in your target language, you constantly listen to audio in your target language in the background, you do everything you would normally do in your native language in your target language instead, etc

>>222129119
Go over a short text and lookup every word and understand every sentence, then re-read casually after 1 day, 3 days, 7 days and so on. You get the effectiveness of SRS while learning everything in context and doing much less work.

>>222128874
>and by reddit killing off all the forums.
This is one of the worst things. Old forums sucked. I remember writing walls of texts in flame wars. I remember the 1984-tier rules and the need to kiss up to jannies, so that their clique doesn't outcaste you. But I miss how they existed as little pockets of organic activity you'd stumble upon. Small websites are practically dead, and even when a search engine happens to show one, it's usually lifeless garbage not worth looking into. Centralization was a disaster.

>>222128911
>in theory subcultures should form and create in-speak that is meant to filter outsiders, so there are always going to be small communities with quality content output that gatekeep the normies, however subcultures eventually grow too large and die out which honestly is what happened to 4chan and many other places on the internet
This reminds me of what happened with those incel forums. They got too big. People started using it for "content" to make money. It had a disproportionate impact on internet culture similar to what 4chan used to have. And now every failed normie on the planet is using their terminology and talking-points. That said, I haven't used their forums, so I don't know how the quality there has shifted over time, only that they became to saturated in the mainstream internet.

>>222129119
Re-reading.

>>222128541
Depends on the material, but you are right that it can be over exaggerated if not engaged with in an intelligent way. I did mass rereading to get through the latter half of LLPSI when I was learning Latin, and it did actually teach me a ton of vocabulary and help me get out into the literature, but a lot of my grasp on the grammar taught in those chapters was pretty faulty. I would say that intelligently choosing your primer text is ideal, ideally pick one you would want to reread anyways, and the more influential or common the turns of phrase, the better. For example, the gospels in total are ~300 pages long in my new testament, contain a ton of core vocabulary, are among the easiest latin texts to read, mirror each other roughly meaning there’s huge carryover from one novella-sized gospel to the next, and are massively influential on much of the subsequent Latin corpus. So slowly decoding John helped, rereading John with an english translation on hand helped more, rereading John again unsupported made me able to actually go and read some Latin with less handholding. I’ve probably read the gospel of John 5x at this point since it’s short and gets easier each time. By the time I got to Acts, which is in a more ornate and complex style, I simply read it without a dictionary and found much of medieval latin to be relatively transparent.

>>222129127
You can learn French in like a year, dude. Just focus it down and then pivot to Japanese. If you get too antsy about Japanese, you can still learn a bit on the side.

>>222127485
Do you have any direct career plans with your languages? If not, you could just alternate between those three languages as your interest in them rises and falls.

>>222129127
French takes 1/4 of the time to make the same amount of progress so just go for it