Typical japanese milsurp collector editionDiscuss overpriced collector guns in calibers you never shootPrevious >>61227377
>woke up early to attend online auction across time zones>get outbid within first 30 minuteswhy do i do this to myself again?
My dad sold my grandpa's Arisaka's from WWII back in the 90's and he's regretted it ever since.
So I recently impulse bought this can of 30-06 blanks with no powder.Will they still cycle through my Garand with a BFA?I was thinking if they don't then should I just under load them and dip the tip of the cartridge in wax or something?
>>61348549Where does one get that? Gun show?
>>61348949yup
>>61348976How much did it run you?
>>61349017$65 I thinkidk if that's good deal or anything
>>61348549>$65 for unloaded blankswhy?but yea just underload and wax wad/cream of wheat and go to a re-enactment or something
>>61348549I don't think they ever made blank 30-06 that couldn't cycle a Garand since the 1903 has 22 adapters.
>>61349640hey man, it was an impulse buy for a reason loldo you have a video or something I could possibly reference?I know very little about reloading and less about loading blanks
Goddamn Tojo I hate you so much but the revolver game ridiculous.
>>61350313Maybe some more self control nexttime, if you went into this not even knowing how to reload.
>>61348549Blanks with no powder? So what, just primers?They actually look like the Greek surplus blanks that are supposedly actually a bit hotter than other blanks. I hope that's the case for you and your new grenade launcher's sake.
>>61350404>literally a clone of the fagnus but minus the double action searWhat's so ridiculous about it?
>go to range with some buddies>bring luger>fudds marvel at the german autism device>able to hit stuff with pinpoint accuracy >meanwhile I can't hit shit with a modern handgun nearly as wellI'm convinced it's the grip angle. That steep grip angle helps immensely with recoil and keeping it on point. Why can't I get a modern handgun in 9mm with the same ergonomics as a luger?
>>61351510Just edc the Luger
>>61351556>only 8 rounds>not the best sights>get mauled by the prosecutor for MUH NAZI if it's ever used for self defense
>>61351630>>only 8 eight rounds>many people edc a revolver and are completely fine>>not best sights>>pinpoint accuracy>>MUH NAZI>not running away from the scene after using it in self defense
milsurpalso what scope is used here?
bump >>61352815I think I saw that scope somewhere, lemme check
>>61352815Found it, it looks like a special designated marskman optic made for the italian SFs.
>>61349107i dont know anything but thats not bad for a box of crap
>>61352815https://www.collezionareexordinanza.it/uploads/source/AR10/AR10%20manuale%20ita%204.jpg
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Anyone have good load data for 8x22 Nambu? I recently got dies for it and can now start forming cases from .357 Sig brass and I already have 100 gr .320 bullets for it. Just need to find a proper load for it so I can try it out on the range.
>>61347299>Discuss overpriced collector guns in calibers you never shooti bought this garand a year ago and a bunch of ppu garand 30-06 but ive yet to actually fire it once. it just feels like its too clean, and i dont want the hassle of finding a rifle range near me.in fact, i also have a smle, type 38 (boomerized), and one of those rusty carcanos theyve been handing out the last 4 years that ive all havent shot once.
M'ausers.
>>61354364no innawoods near you to shoot them in? innawoods is the best but its understandable some folks live in places where there is literally none in their entire state.
>>61354271>>61354279>>61354289thanks anon
>>61351510Steyrs? Glocks?
>>61347299Oh hey, she's currently our province's chief firearms officerToo bad she has no real power
>>61349107WA gun show?
>>61354364 >one of those rusty carcanos they been handing outI was handed three.
>>61355020What fresh hell did that MAS 36 see?
>>61354807no sadly, not yet at least. i wont be in a position to move into a free state until 2025
>>61355020yeah, the one on the bottom with the bayonet. thats the one i have. i have at least 40 rounds for each of my milsurp crap. the only one ive actually ever shot was my 1917 nagant
>>61354934>sheShould I tell you anon?
>>61355077grim. Yea if you know youre gonna be somewhere that you can just innawoods at then might be good to wait then sink money into a rifle range membership. See if those locations have public hours or other easy freebie days to at least shoot your surp once our twice before you move, but otherwise waiting wouldnt hurt
>>61355125>>61355125I have stripper clips, ammo pouches, slings, and bayonets (though some may have to share.)I’ve shot all except the .303 and Carcano. But I did just get two bandoliers full of .303 with clips yesterday at a gunshow. Wish me luck that it doesn’t blow up in my hand.
>>61355435Can't speak for the Carcano yet, but .303 is a lovely cartridge. Have fun.
>>61347299>>61355139I wanna say it's based to see women who are genuinely into surp even if boomer, but knowing the "women" at my local gunshows, I am skeptical that's an actual woman. There are three tranny boomers that are regular vendors at my shows. It kinda baffles me why they're there considering the shows are basically Republican/Trump conventions more than they are about selling guns these days, and you can always see an active perimeter of people avoiding their tables.
How quickly am I going to die if I actually fife one of those 8mm carcanos?
>>61354991no I'm in New England
>>61355435>Wish me luck that it doesn’t blow up in my hand.should be fine. Unless theres something overtly wrong with the gun itself and youre using to spec ammo youll be fine.
>>61348034I've gone to in person auctions (not totally gun related) at like 7AM and barely bought shit, often nothing I was interested in that I saw on the listing like guns. It's the hope that you might just get something at a good price that keeps you going lol. At least when it's an in person auction it's something to do and you can get a hot dog.
>>61348549Lmao, some old fuck took the powder out of a ton of blanks and sold you a box of bore corroders for $65? There is no way...They look like they still have the red tips on them so they should have powder. Have you tried actually shooting any?
>>61358698Oh shit I forgot that primers are the actual corrosive bit. Yeah he really fucked up.>>61348549A quick Google for "30-06 surplus blanks" turns up multiple results. What were you thinking!?
>>61358698yeah you can see some of the broken red tips in the picture but they're all broken. They don't need to cycle, I have an M1917 and my friend has a 1903 so we can just use those and clean really well which we usually do.>have you tried actually shooting any?no but I'm not expecting any miracles. I'm expecting a loud pop and no recoil.>>61359005>What were you thinking!?I was thinking I wanted to have fun with my friends
>>61359067>have fun with my friendsunless you were all planning to shove them up your anus at the precise moment of climax to achieve an unfathomable sexual high equivalent to 1000 suns colliding inside a basketball court sized aquarium filled with non Newtonian fluid and cocaine, i dont see how blanks with no powder could be fun.
>>61359067I mean I guess if the cases haven't been crimped or anything you got a box of primed brass for $65 so from that angle you did ok.
>>61355058Either Vietnamese or bubba.
I posted another thread about this but here’s my Sparkbrook No1*** I got last week. I’m gonna be taking it apart and cleaning all the rust and grime off today. The magazine spring is extremely weak and I doubt it’s going to feed. Any suggestions on how to fix this? I haven’t even been able to get the follower out past the feed lips to examine the spring.
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>>61347299she has a website called Nambu World. I stumbled upon it by accident once while looking up Japanese surp stuff
>>61363208>>61363231Hey what's up Sparkbro. There's a guy on Gunboards who was going to make repro Mk.I charger guides: https://www.gunboards.com/threads/reproduction-shtle-mki-sliding-charger-guide.1196861/
How much should I worry about this crack at the end of the receiver?
>>61364456eh, i have one bigger than that on one of my rifles. >>61363208sick looking beating stick
>>61364456The rear of the receiver tang is bearing against the back of its inlet in the stock, and acting like a splitting wedge under recoil. Does your carbine still have its recoil lug which sits under the receiver around the forward action screw? You can't see it externally, so check to make sure it's still there. If it isn't, you'll have to get one. If it is, you want to make sure that it is actually bearing against stock and properly transferring the recoil forces there, rather than allowing the receiver to move rearward and the tang to strike the wrist. Once you get the recoil lug seated properly between receiver and stock, then you can fix the crack at the wrist by drilling a hole into it from inside the receiver inlet, down into the wrist paralleling the long axis of the split. Then you fill that hole with something like Acraglas and put a wooden dowel into it to force the glue into the crack from the inside out, and also reinforce the split. Finally, carve out material from the rear of the receiver inlet so the rear of the tang is not making contact with the stock. Or something like that. I've only fixed a Mauser with a similar issue and the two systems' recoil lugs don't work quite the same way so I'm not 100% positive on how the receiver transfers recoil forces to the stock.
>>61364653It's got one. The action has a tiny bit of play in the stock. We're putting a thin plastic piece in the recoil lug fix the problem there or will I need to get a new one?
>>61363385>sheInsert Mike Meyers gif here
>>61348549>Boomer sells blanks after he removed the powder>WhatTheActualFuck.jpgThat man is either the absolute worst kike to inhabit a gun show in history, or one of those milquetoast fucks who is overly paranoid about the legality of what he's selling. Do you live in a shitlib state?
>>61365487>We're putting a thin plastic piece in the recoil lug fix the problem thereI would use something less compressible like brass, but that's definitely worth trying first before replacing the whole thing. Most hardware stores will have brass sheeting you can buy to cut shims from.
>>61367347NTA but on the topic of shimming, I have an SKS and SVT-40 that are a little loose in their stocks. The barreled action has some back and forth play so I've refrained from shooting them yet. One of my friends advised me to use sheet cork to shim the area between the neck of the stock and the back of the receiver (where we see most hairline cracks form on rifles from this exact issue.) Is this the correct course of action or should I be shimming elsewhere/using a different material?
>>61369061I wish I could help Anon; IDK anything about the SKS or SVT and where their recoil surfaces interface with the stock.
>>61347299So /k/ I have an M1A1 carbine that my great- grandfather supposedly stole from the armory when he got out of the military shortly after the end of ww2. I don't know exactly when he got out because his records got burned in that fire in the 70s. Anyways its a Dec. 42 inland receiver, 12-42 barrel, high wood stock, type 1 barrel band, blued bolt, etc. Everything looks good except that is has the later sliding rear sight. Would this be correct for a ww2 gun?
>>61348549did you even inspect the rounds before you bought this? I wouldve seen this and noped out inmediately
>>61365487>>61369061I was able to smush 22 cases flat and use them as brass shims in my rifles and they seem to work well. for actually fixing the cracks use toothpicks to spread the crack then get wood glue inside of the crack then clamp it as tight as you can, then wipe off excess glue that squishes out.
>>61347299Wonder how she estimated 1915 for that Type 26.>>61350404>TojoTake it up with Meiji Tennou
It was a beautiful day so I did some cleaning projects outside. Scrubbed the bore on my M95 scout carbine, K11, and M95 long boi (picrel). And did thorough deep clean on the M95 long. Good feeling of accomplishment. Have you cleaned your rifles anon?
I've bought a great gun. Only issue is the previous owner sprayed truck bed liner over all the metal. I need solutions people. Acetone?
>>61372712I cleaned my Type 38 like a couple weeks ago that was covered in cosmoline. Yesterday I cleaned my new howa mini.
>carriers keep messing up delivery of all my wife's random online retailer product impulse purchases recently>custom dies are also on their wayDEEPLEY CONCERNED
>>61369061I seem to recall that the Brits used to shim SMLEs with paper strips for competition shooting in the 50s (?) and I do remember something about cork sheets. Just get some decent "archival" grade cork or at the least something from a good recognizable brand (ie not from Dollar Tree) because, you know, being acid free and lasting and all that. Go to Michael's or JoAnn or something for sheet and get a half decent brand. Or get some thin wood veneer to glue in there and shave down. I'm sure doing it "properly" (and permanently) would involve AcraGlas but that can get messy and is very much not reversible like Titebond II (semi water soluble) and some wood or cork shims are.
>>61372726Citristrip? Does Citristrip even touch bedliner? I do worry about the possibility of it eating bluing, though, but a quick search says it's fine and I know I've used goo gone (citrus based) in a blued barrel's bore (many times) before. Both will eat wood finish and things like the painted on (dry moly lube) finish of an AR15/M16 mag though (ask me how I know...that was painful). Post a pic; might be neat actually. They used to crinkle paint competition AR15s in the 80s or so. If it isn't sloppily done, it might be some silly custom build reason like that.
>>61372712based M95 longboi enjoyer.
>>61364653pre-1900 Mauser gang
>>61376574for boobies, argentinia! (carbine)for booty, peru! (long rifle)
>>61372712>>61376544steyr longboiselegant weapons from a more civilized era
>>61376574I am deeply envious of that rifle; I want at least one of the unconverted Ottoman smokeless Mausers for my WW1 collection.
anyone ever order from Atlantic Firearms? Been looking at some surplus pistols
CMP now has actual naval 308 Garands if you're interested.
>>61377946How long have you been collecting to have that great of a collection?
>>61377946I in return want your 1903 and your Ross.
>>61379042I have, I ordered my M937A from them. Was just a matter of sending my C&R to them and going thru check out.
>>61380681>shooting innasagelandsI do love my innawoods but I want to experience this one day. We have so much in this state too. Just never had a reason nor a good place to go.
>>61377946is that g88 turkshitted like mine?
>>61379481>How long have you been collecting to have that great of a collection?12 years.
>>61380681I'll buy you a M1903 for your M1893: that's 10 better. >>61382459No, but the bolt is mis-matched. AFAIK plain Gew.88s like this one weren't sent to Turkey, only 88/05s and 88/14s.
Sorry if this question gets asked a lot in these threadsI just recently got my great-grandfathers WW2 air force field jacketit has his rank at the time (e-7 I think) on both sleeves, and his name + squadron on the chest on a patchIs it ok for me to wear it in public? I have no intentions on larping and taking advantage of a 2% discount at stores. Just want to honor him even though he died long before I was born. I also don't intend to wear any other military or camo styled shit with itIf it is ok, are there any bits of information I should learn about him+the jacket from my grandmother so if people do ask or confront me about it, I can inform them betterthanks
>>61383634I just realized this thread is about guns.I thought milsurp would include military type garmentsmy apologies, I'm not savvy on this shit
>>61383642>I just realized this thread is about gunsIt's about collectibles finance and alternative investment classes
>>61383634>>61383642I think it's fine to wear it; it's a pattern that's long been out of service so anyone who mistakes you for an active-duty serviceman is a retard anyway.
>>61383634I don't think you have to worry about stolen valor with something like that. If someone somehow gets a stick up their ass about you wearing an 80 year old piece of uniform (very unlikely), you should be able to explain why, and if they're still mad beyond that, they're a legitimate basket case (record it and post to us here for lulz.) That said, you probably don't want to stain or wear it out if it's a family heirloom at this point. I'd treat it as something to wear on special occasion, and not something for everyday use.>>61383642I usually roll my eyes when people come in here asking about milsurp clothing, but you are polite and humble, so no harm, no foul. Learn as much about your grandpa's life (and your grandma's too) as you can while she's still alive. Once they're gone, what they didn't tell anyone dies with them. My grandfather lived through World War 1 but died when I was 8. I often wish I could ask him all about his life now that I'm an adult who understands history and wants to know more about his time period.
>>61347299Is anyone considering getting one of those Navy Garands from the CMP? If I didn't just get a pair of .308 experts I might've put an order in.
>>61383634I have my Grandfather's M51 jacket. I was a senior in high school when I got it and I pretty much wore it every day for a year, I put more wear on it than he did. I also have a few of my dad's navy shirts. I have other stuff I've just found here and there. I recently took a trip and at the airport I was wearing an M65 jacket, an ACU backpack, and had a OD laundry sack (yeah I realize I was larping a bit too hard lol) and I never got mistaken for a member of the service. It crossed my mind of what I would do if I was and I would probably just say "I'm not in the service but my father was so I'll tell him you said thank you."TLDR: you're good, if you get mistaken just say politely and quickly that you're not in the service but you have had family that was.
>>61347299did someone say Japanese milsurp?>top: type 99 long rifle, intact mum>bottom: type 99 last ditch, no mum (not ground off, just never been) bringback from great grandpa
>>61388935>just never beenHow common were rifles just totally lacking a mum from the get go?
How do y'all clean your rifle after using corrosive ammo? I've heard ballistol, I've heard Windex, I've heard just plain hot water, but which do you use?And after cleaning, do you just let it evaporate on its own, or do you get after the moisture with a dry patch or something to ensure no rust?
>>61389004I have no idea. My grandpa told me that he got the rifle from a warehouse in Japan. Mine has a totally blank receiver.
>>61389035for comparison, my t99 long
is this surplus???
>>61389068full auto or cucked semi auto?
>>61389095semi reweld, you go fuck'n find a posty bren bro
>>61389109what do you mean find one? Im was just asking to see if full auto or not no need to be so defensive about it.
>>61389150nobody is attacking you bro, just bren it in man. Just bren it go. The british war museum has it documented that i had it rewelded and own it now too. I asked them about it, they are cool dudes over there. Nobody is sure how a 1945 built mk3 wasnt converted into an L4 but here we are probably the last batch of .303 brens ever to be made and also unironically the last batch of semi rewelds since literally everyone closed shop during covid. I doubt we'll ever see another 20 made in our life times.
I wish I had a full auto Type 99 and a time portal into every imperial Japanese arsenal so I can steal their ammo whenever I want. Or maybe I could work out a deal where I give them war strategies in exchange for all the freshly made guns I want. I could flood the market with Type 44's and Type 2's and be rich.
>>61389068Of course it is
>>61389016tons of hoppes patches until clean, clean patches, clp on moving parts. done
>>61389190>time machine for ammo in exchange for strategies>Japan wins the war thanks to your advice>returns from time jump to a US with Japan tier gun laws.great job.
>>61389486It's a separate timeline. I can abuse it to my heart's content.
>>61389035Put a straight edge on it. It was there.That's a 34th series, so it's pretty far from end of production and not "last ditch" fully.
>>61355553Well you're absolutely correct. that's the chief firearms officer of Alberta. a known tranny who is extremely gunpilled. it's a weird vibe.
>>61389649You seem like some contrarian hipster who thinks obscure = better.
>>61389016>How do y'all clean your rifle after using corrosive ammo?Pour water down the barrel, then dry patches to absorb any remaining water, then clean as normal. Hot or boiling water have the advantage of evaporating more rapidly, but the water temperature is not essential.
What surps are common at your local gun shows? I swear, I only ever see overpriced CMP M1 Garands and the not for sale Luger carousel at mine. Mausers are quite uncommon and whatever Arisakas are present are all mismatched beaters.
>>61390416Chinese SKS and Soviet M91/30s, and CMP M1s. Usually an Enfield or two. There’s a guy on the local circuit with a table full of Ceracoated and varnished ‘surps of many varieties which he claims as “original” for outlandish prices.
>>61390416There's a decent variety actually. Usually I'll find random South American Mausers and an Arisaka without fail. There's always a guy who brings like 20 M1 Carbines. All overpriced as fuck.
>>61383634Yeah that's fine. if anyone accuses you just say its your grandfathers
>>61390461P14s are criminally underrated. Seems like most regard them as cope M1917s.
>>61393209It would be the best infantry rifle of WW1 if not for the M1917.
>>61393517Can't deny the practicality of the M1917 with its non rimmed cartridges and +1 round advantage. That said, personally I feel the P14 is more comfy to shoot. A little softer recoil, and it could just be my rifles, but I find the .303 rounds have a tighter and more tactile lock in when loading than the .30-06 does. I shoot tighter groups with my M1917 than I do with my P14 though, despite the P14 having a finer front sight blade, and I still haven't figured out why. I need to test more types of ammo through it. My M1917 has been capable of .5 MoA using surplus Lake City ammo, which is phenomenally impressive for a 100+ year old rifle.
Will the new ATF dealer rules finally shut down CMP garand flippers for good?
>>61393763>I shoot tighter groups with my M1917 than I do with my P14 though, despite the P14 having a finer front sight bladeCould be that a diet of Cordite has eroded the throat and rifling of your P14 more. Henry Chan also talked about the advantage of a wider front sight post over a narrow one being that it gives you more of a horizon to place your target upon and keep your windage steady.
>>61394263P14s also went through the same chamber enlarging as the SMLEs.
>>61394247That shit is maximum gay and needs to die immediately. The fact they don't clearly define what "a guy buying/selling for his collection" versus "totally evil man selling guns" is highly concerning. God willing SCOTUS murders the Chevron doctrine this June.
>>61393763>.5 MoAGod damn that's good, was it 5 shot group?
>>61394719It was a 3 shot group, the nicest I did of about a dozen groups at 100 yards that day, and funny enough within the first 6 shots I took with that rifle. It actually wasn't mine when I made those shots. It was owned by a friend who I shoot precision matches with and he was talking about selling it. I said I was interested but wanted to see how it shot, and I'd bring out my P14 to compare. Consistently shot the tightest groups I ever have with a milsurp rifle on that day. I joked with the friend that I'd think the targets had been pre-punched and that he paid off our other friend who was spotting to play along and trick me into buying it, but I had put up the targets myself. Our spotter friend was rather shocked at the accuracy as well and said "If you don't buy that, I'm next in line." Needless to say it's mine now. Certainly made me feel kind of funny that it not only outperformed my P14, but also my No.4 T I brought along that day as well.
What's a fair price for a nice refurb SVT-40 these days? It's on my list of older semi auto rifles to get and would be a nice counterpart to my M1.
>>61396923At least $2500 if you're from Murrika.
>>61393517I need a p14
>>61394288That was just bumping the shoulder forward just a little tho; I don't think it would have that much effect. The Ross rifles got it worse and it didn't affect their accuracy. >>61397466Do.
How bad are the current rack grades? Are they actually shootable? I heard a few people getting stuff that was supposedly not even safe to shoot, which sounds odd since it's the CMP.
>>61398317Why do people even gamble on this shit? This is like the goat piss rifles from RTI. Just cough up the money and get a choice specimen. It's not like you're ever going to sell it.
>>61398378It's not gambling if it's still worth exactly what you paid for it even if it's shit because mouth breathing mongrels can't fill out a few papers to order directly from the CMP.
>>61398395I will not fill out the paperwork. It is my divine right as an American to have unlimited access to all weapons without having to read.
>>61398206It was the same as for the SMLEs. They ran the reamers deeper to enlarg the entire chamber. Ross rifles did not get the chamber reaming and were simply cycled out of service.
>>61398378Don't talk shit about my piss sticks. Cheap! Patina! Muh history!
bump
>>61382435mountains and grasslands are based.
>>61398395why are the boomer retards at CMP still requiring people to fill out paperwork to buy something. how fucking hard is it to hire someones nephew to craft a proper fucking webstore
>>61400484Because there are still requirements aside from a credit card and the name of an FFL to buy their guns. Personally I think their requirements help to keep their guns in stock for longer and sent to people who want them enough to do the legwork to get them. Otherwise their stock would always be sold out and you'd see their guns being flipped for profit left and right. If you want a quicker and simpler transaction, you can always give $3,000 to your nearest boomer.
>>61401618Wait. Do you need an FFL nowadays? Mine just shipped to my door.
I paid $1400 for a beautiful M1 Garand at a gun store. CMPoors will say I was "ripped off" and am ruining the hobby for everyone else. All because I saw and inspected rifle in person and made a value judgement instead of gambling and pretending to join a marksmanship organization.
>$750 for a late 43 with a matching barrel that is perfect and GI stockAntiCMPsisters, how will I ever recover from them doing this to me..
>>61401777Garands and I think the 1917s can go to your door, 1911s need an FFL.
>>61402863Why does the mail have the big gay when it comes to pistols anyway?
>>61403126Because the laws and age restrictions are more strict on pistols in general. Pistols are easier to conceal, easier to steal, and used way more in gun related crimes than long guns.
>>61396923I bought a nice one for 2300 a few months ago at an auction - I almost got away with it at a steal for 1700 but some dude online bet me up to 2300.
Did literally any examples of the more exotic Japanese SMGs make their way to the states? Kinda funny how GIs nabbed rare trials Pederson rifles but not the funky looking SMGs.
>>61398526>Ross rifles did not get the chamber reaming and were simply cycled out of service.They did tho: Ross rifles modified in Europe were marked "LC" on the chamber and those coming from the factory with the enlarged chamber were marked "E". Even after the Canadians stopped using the Ross as an infantry rifle the Brits were still buying them for use by the Royal Navy, Royal Marines, and training purposes.
>>61406925Yeah, there are a few SMGs out there. They were pretty rare. There are reports of those trials Pederson rifles being used on Okinawa. Pretty much anything not bolted down in Japan was taken tho. You can find factory pressure test rifles for instance.
Is pic rel a PU scope cover period correct for ww2?
>>61406925>more exoticWonder if anyone kept a National defense rifle.
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>>61408309>>61408305SOVL
>>61406925lmao at the thought of a WWII vet with a Morley Safer voice pronouncing "Murata" and having it written down like "Marauder"
>>61408926A lot of the naming conventions we use for these guns are more of a modern thing and weren't used back then. Japan never referred to their guns with the designer name, just the number designation that was printed on the gun itself. A GI back then would have known even less what to call it. Most were just calling them "this Jap gun I brought back with me." Similar to how an AK-47 was not called an AK-47 in 1947, or how World War 1 was not called World War 1 during World War 1. Even the Garand was most often referred to as simply the "M1 rifle."
>>61409110Bring back papers are funny like that too.>SKS listed as "chi-com rifle" with "chi-com" as the caliber
>>61408007I saw that because there are basically no pictures of the weirder SMGs like this thing that aren't black and white and decades old. Can't find any auctions either.
Picked up my new 98/22, just finished soaking and cleaning the cosmoline off. Early C block serial (mid 700s), made mostly of Amberg Gew98 parts. Everything about it looks great, except one of the smoothest of brains had hammered the front barrel band on backwards, took an hour to whack it off, but shits too deformed for me to stick it back on correctly. Other than that I just need a couple screws.
>>61408120bump
>>61410207>hammered the band on backwards But why
>>61410207>made mostly of Amberg Gew98 partsAre you sure? CZ-Brno was established using the Waffenfabrik Mauser Gew.98 production line and Mauser's spare parts stocks.
>>61410867Brain damage maybe. I bent it back into shape with 2 crescent wrenches and sanded out the inside, slipped back on okay.>>61410973Now that you ask, I'm not sure. There's some "A" stamps on the bolt body, barrel, and some small parts that look like this. Thought they meant Amberg, but I'm thinking these are inspector stamps possibly?
>>61411088Interesting. I do not know what the "A" means. My mis-matched bolt is from an "E"-block 98/22 so it's all "Circle-Z"-marked CZ-Brno parts.
>>61348095I have my grandpa's arisaka but the lotus (or whatever it is) is defaced and someone apparently tried to sporterize it. I doubt I'll ever shoot it. Cool conversation piece I guess?
>>61411312I got the circle Z on the rear sight base but nowhere else. Bolt handle has the imperial eagle and an inspector stamp. Everything else is this A or the last 2 digits of the serial.
Did anyone shoot this weekend?
>>61411461look up Arisaka Chrysanthemum if you're interested, plenty to read about it.
>>61412349I did, for the first time in a while. Went to a new range and found it a bit pricey, but really nice.
>>61412349>nearest outdoor 100 yd range is 90 minute drive for me>no public land to shoot on>no fun allowed stateStop reminding me how miserable this shithole is.
>>61412349Actually yes. was nice.
>>61410835Look at reenactor guides and compare.
>>61413990>no public land to shoot ontoo bad, its fun.04httj
>>61412349I went on Saturday. It was nice- I had the range to myself (and my gf). Had a fun time making fireballs with my Polish M44.
Am I dumb for using surplus ammo in my SVT? It just werks in term of cycling, and cleaning it isn't really difficult. I just dunk all the parts in hot water and pour some down the bore and gas port, dry, and then clean as usual.
>>61413747Nice tokarev, anon>>61413990Sorry to hear that. Where I live theres no public land either. Luckily I have a good range I go to. >>61414136Good :)>>61415589That sounds good. I'm glad you've got someone special to share shooting with.
>>61347299So...My AG-42 will arrive later this week, and I've read online that (like the garand, g43, etc.) the AG-42 can be damaged by shooting the wrong ammo because most modern 6.5 swedemoor is loaded to twice the pressure of the original skarp patrone 94. So to those of you with AG-42s, what do you shoot out of them? If you shoot commercial ammo, what should I look for on a box to ensure I don't destroy the gun? This is my first milsurp semi-auto and I'm still fairly new to firearms as a whole and I've never paid much attention to the pressure values on my ammunition since I don't think it matters much when dealing with my sturdy bolt-action milsurps.
Is the romanian m69 considered milsurp? Its my newest "surplus" rifle. Its a pretty good shooting rifle. I took it out for some target practice and then some pest control. Only issue I have with it is the magazine acts up when there are 5 in it. The first round will feed in a strange way that bites the tip off of the end of the bullet. With 4 it works flawlessly. Does anyone have any ideas?
>>61401867i did the same, but these garand prices to be fucking ridiculous tho
>>61406925god that type 22 looks sick, im a big sucker for stubby rifles that look like that and the smle
I’ll ask here before I post any pics but is there anyone on /msg/ that knows anything about older binoculars like Hensoldt binos for wwii and prior, I just got one and want to know it’s rough age
>>61419291Post a pic, I'll see what I can do
>go to lgs consignment shelf>new rifle for once>Mauser style, tag says it's Thai>Look it up, it's a type 66>"Chambered in 8mm Siamese"Is it worth getting something like this? Are Thai Mausers any good/bad?
>>61420073Unless you can reload, Siamese ammo is straight up unobtanium. You'll also need to form your own brass. Funny enough the Siamese mausers were a major bubba item a while ago. A bunch of them were reamed out and converted to 45/70 gubment.
>>61416296I bought one for super cheap last year and it's the biggest piece of shit. Had to replace the trigger spring and get a repro mag. Even after multiple thorough cleanings the bolt is stiff as fuck. It's like sandpaper being pushed through a straw and it takes a ton of strength to open and close. And don't get me started on re-assembling the bolt.My only cope is that it's a cool link to the Prague Spring and the downfall of Ceaușescu. Basically, after the Soviets and friends invaded Czechoslovakia, Ceaușescu got all paranoid and set about creating a civilian militia called the Patriotic Guards. Fast forward 20 years and he and his wife are eating lead for Christmas dinner on live television. Turns out a lot of the Patriotic Guards he sent out ended up joining the 1989 protests against him.
>>61347299I seek enfield shtle stocks with volley sights, Where can I find such for a 1906 BSA?
>>61420037Thanks in advance, I’d love to know when this guy might be form, it also came with a case I seen with other Hensoldt binoculars but I’m unsure about that as well
What's everyone on the hunt for these days? I'm looking for a nice matching Imperial German Gewehr 98 or Kar98 but they are definitely more uncommon than I thought they might be.
>>61421747I'm just starting to form a collection, so I don't have any hard particulars outside of WWI era type stuff. Maybe another Mauser, but everyone loves Mausers
>>61421747>What's everyone on the hunt for these days?Belgian Mauser Model 1889 infantry rifle, a Serbian Mauser Model 1899, 99/07, or 1910 infantry rifle, or any of the Ottoman smokeless Mauser infantry rifles (1890, 1893, or 1903). I don't have a lot more that I want.
>>61421747I need a Gew41 and SVT38. I've got a Gew43, Garand, and SVT40 already. The problem is I can't find any in good shape.
Daily reminder: you can still get good deals out there. This is a matching rebuilt Type 38 for under $300. Retards will pay more for a stock set to "restore" their POS bubba'd turd they bought for more than this.
>>61423191Weeb stuff is in this odd position where it can simultaneously be cheap (long 38, short 99) and insanely expensive (44, long 99, short 38, 30, etc). Cheap jap stuff and spaghetti stuff is all that's really left, and both suck ass to get ammo for unless you reload. It's sad how we don't get new surplus now except for literal goat piss garbage.
>>61423711Are Czech mausers still reasonably affordable? That's my go to milsurp recommendation for my friends who get interested in these old guns.
>>61423753Not particularly. Both them and Yugo mausers have risen.
>>61423825Dang yeah. I was just browsing gunbroker to get an idea. I was still thinking they were 300-500 dollar guns. At least 8mm is actually pretty inexpensive.
>>61423711There is little rhyme or reason on prices for most Arisakas desu. Most sellers and buyers know very little about them. So many just assume intact mum = rare and pay out the ass for some type 99 with a sanded stock and repro monopod and dust cover just because muh intact mum. This is also ignoring the fact that there are 15 Arisakas with intact mums for sale on gunbroker at any given day. These same retards will also buy a bubba'd Arisaka with intact mum then buy a ground mum just to part out to restore that intact rifle. I've seen actual rare Arisakas parted out this way.Now we're also seeing a ton of shitty fake mums coming on the market.>>61423753>>61423825I still a lot of cheap mismatched Vz24s.
>>61423753>Are Czech mausers still reasonably affordable?The Vz.98/22 sells for $200-300 even in 2023; it's been a decade since I bought mine 12 years ago and the prices haven't gone up since. No-one wants them because Turkey.
>>61424037I have literally never has an issue with Turk mausers or ammo. Hell Turk 8mm has never given me a dud or hangfire. The worst I get is a cracked neck every now and then.
>>61424037Those are a lot of bandoleers, anon. Nice looking rifle too.
>>61423845You can get M48's for $400-500 all day
>>61424052My experience has been similar. Thank you Ian for making everyone else dismiss it out of hand with one dumb video.
>>61424082Most of it's gone now; that picture's 10 years old.
>>61424098How hard are the vz98s with rollercoaster sights to come by and how much are they these days?I don't really care too much about having a legit Gew98. I just really like the rollercoaster sights.
>>61347299>Feb 4 2007 (Canada, Alberta)>Here's grandma's extensive collection of niche firearms, pretty cool isn't it?I would like to go back.
>>61424320>How hard are the vz98s with rollercoaster sights to come by and how much are they these days?Haven't seen one sell in at least a year, but they're usually cheaper than even Turkish-used Gew.98s. The ones in the USA all came via Turkey as well. Czechoslovakia sold them to the Turks and the Chinese and it seems like only the Turkish ones survived. There were only 10,000 to begin with so there's actually a decent survival rate. Mine is a complete mixmaster of German, Czech, and Turkish parts but it shoots straight.
>>61424098Ian is an abhorrent shill. All the political shitposting aside, he's always been a charlatan for auction houses and trash sellers like RTI.>HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS RIFLE YOU CAN BUY AT THIS AUCTION HOUSE>LET ME SHOW YOU THIS RIFLE FROM RTI THAT DOESN'T HAVE GOAT PISS ON IT (it's the only one that doesn't, and I took it already!)>GO TO THIS SHADY WEBSITE AND BUY STUFF FOR A CHANCE TO WIN A GUN>LOOK THE M14 TOTALLY FORGOTTEN RIGHT (which is also conveniently being sold by an auction house)
>>61425182The shady website thing for the SVT was a pretty dog shit thing to do. The auction house thing is more excusable however. There aren't many Johnson automatics guns out there, maybe getting to disassemble and show off one from an auction house is legitimately the only way to share one with the Internet? At the same time, the auction house gets to attract potential buyers, it's a win-win for both parties, plus we get to see the cool guns. It's more understandable as you move towards super obscure prototypes and whatnot and away from more common but "forgotten" weapons like a ljungman or whatever.
>>61425182The contests are meh.What it looks like from my point of view is that the auction houses invite him to come by and let him look at all the guns for auction and he chooses what to make a video on (maybe depends on the auction house idk) and then they pay him for it. He gets to make another video, auction house gets advertising. I've never seen him mention RTI but I definitely have not seen all his videos.
>>61425800He toured RTI and got to take his pick from their entire stock. He made off like a bandit with some odd patterns of Ethiopian used French stuff.
>>61425182The raffle thing could actually be cool if I weren't paying $50 for a stupid mug.
Enough chirpin'; back to 'surpin'.
>>61425182I sincerely doubt that someone decided to drop $40,000 on a rare MG because Ian made a video about it. The recent giveaway shilling is pretty retarded though.
Asking for input on a local listing for a RC K98 I'm looking at. Here's a collage of all the pics. The bore is described as a "7/10" (so let's assume it's actually a 5/10). I'm concerned about what looks like another crossbar or maybe dowel job in the wrist of the stock. Guy is asking $750. What do y'all think? I've been interested in adding a K98 to my collection (even if it's an RC).
>>61426816Decent price for an RC. Yes, the Russians sometimes added another cross bolt.
>>61426816That bolt is from Ivan. They added them to laminated stock mosins too.
>>61426559You give people too much credit.
>>61426816Tbh its not that bad of a price for an RC. I bought one around a year ago for 800 and I am glad that I did. You truly never know what you may find with them. As for me I found out that mine was a depot repair and 90% of the parts on it matched. Id day saw give the rifle at least a look over. They aren’t going to get cheaper anon, so id say go for it.
>>61426816The finish on that one looks kind of rough unless that's just the lighting. $750 is worth it if it's in good condition, but if that's post refurb rust all over it and the bore isn't actually a 7/10 or higher, I'd say pass.I bought my RC for $400 last year at a gunshow. Also saw a nice Yugo K98 for $550 at a gunshow a couple months back. Don't let the others in this thread who only use Gunbroker as their pricing metric scare you into thinking you'll need to pay $1,000 for the next decent capture K98 that pops up.
Does the M35 Turk bayonet fit a 93/33 rifle? I have worries on account of the cleaning rod
>>61427509>he doesn't exclusively go by boomer pricesI KNOW WHAT I GOT SONNY PRICE IS FIRM
>>61427100>>61427243Good to know. Appreciate it. The pictures aren't high res enough so I thought it might be a bubba job.>>61427457The fact that it isn't $1k is what's surprising me the most and making me fomo. The seller actually dropped it from $850 since nobody on the forum has touched it yet. Seriously. I see them asking $1k+ for even the most bubba'd shit all the time.>>61427509Congrats on living in Des Moines where it's still the 90s. But yeah. The finish looks a bit rough. I might see if I can get him to go lower.
>>61427509Just because you got a deal doesn't mean that average prices aren't 650-900
Range report.7 of 15 vintage rounds test fired and dead primers on all of them. Solid strikes on all them. gonna pull em and probably recycle the powder and bullets into the 220 swift loads. Clip didnt load either. There is still too much tension on the rounds and they wont strip off onto the follower. Also extremely difficult to load the 5th round.All around, back to the bench with it
>>61411532The Japanese defaced the seal of the emperor before handing them over to the Americans. It was considered shamefur dispray
>>61429230Well, at least all of them chambered and there's nothing wrong with your firing pin spring. You could pull the bullets, dump the powder, deprime the brass, and then anneal it to be able to have some original 6mm Lee Navy brass available for use instead of only .220 Swift.
Bump, are milsurp optics allowed? I recently got pic rel, I'll take it to the range soon to try it out. I doubt it will work as intended as I only have heavy bullets to shoot.
>>61431675That's very cool. What does it normally get mounted on? A PKM or something?
>>61432273An SVD, but the mount is universal so you can also mount it on an ak if you're dumb enough ( >>61424885 ). The concept behind it was to be able to accurately take shot at various ranges without having to touch anything beside the magnification as far as I understand it.You're supposed to zero the optic at 300m, and then lets say that your target is at 500m you'll simply rotate the knob on the other side to match the 5 mark inside the optic and the bullet drop is automatically compensated. The downside is that if you wrongly estimate the range and you zoom in too much or too little the round will impact either high or low.From what I heard it's calibrated for 147gr ammo so I don't know how it'll behave with heavier match ammo.What's the optic in your pic? reminds me of the PVS-2
does anyone have the mosin accurization guide? I remember it being posted here in 2014
>>61420963Sill looking for help if anyone is cares/knows anything about German binoculars/optics
>>61433301the cork/brass shim thing?
>>61421747I’d like to get a nice M95 long rifle, a 45 (byf) date and 35-36 (a/147 code) date k98 to round out the collection and I have a dou 44 and a duv 42 for a nice progression of arms. I’d also like to get a Swedish Mauser and also a g/k 43 form the duv factory if possible, though this is more of a long term goal. Pic related is my collection so far minus the ptr, don’t have a pic of the family without it given how small it is
>>61431675Post whatever you want. Not as if the thread is really fast or something. How's the glass on an old Soviet optic anyway?
>>61433426Ya
>>61393209I got my P-14 for $400 last fall because the shop owner never bothered to check the bore to see if it was actually demilled, he assumed so because of the drill purpose stock lmao. He had a second one in a clean stock...for $1300 lmao.
>>61394247>ATF requiring everyone to be an FFL to sell guns>ATF continues to speedrun shutting down FFLs for minor clerical errors.This totalitarian faggotry is all by design and I hate it with every cell in my body.
>>61433430What type is the Mauser that suffered at the hands of Bubba?
>>61434006It’s a La Carona m43 made in 47, it was all matching from what I can tell, bought it off a dude at a gun show who said he was going to this it in the burn pile and for it for $175, needs a new bolt and stock but the rifling looks good
>>61434039Here's an M43 stock with handguard and hardware if you don't mind paying $140 plus the utterly kiked shipping cost of $90. I can't find one anywhere else:https://www.ebay.com/itm/305513130527
>>61430259Was thinking that too. I still have 8 more rounds that will get the treatment too just to say I tried them all. But at the very least having them as basis for comparison for my .220 loads is invaluable.
>>61434080I had actually had that stock saved on eBay and he sent me an offer, but I was waiting on another stock I had my eyes on that was at $190 plus like $19 shipping if I remember right. thanks for the looking out though, plan on grabbing a new bolt from Apex.
>>61421747a stock set for my U.S. contract Winchester 1895
>>61423191>Daily reminder: you can still get good deals out thereThat's because the market has low-grade stuff has collapsedcollector grade stuff is still going high because richfags are making $$$ from stocks and real estate, but poorfag grade stuff is going low because poorfags can't afford to buy anything because of inflation
>>61421747I dunno maybe a krag? Im done buying things for a while Im just going to save up for next years Tulsa show and spend big bucks on something neat.
>>61433430Any reason why you want a byf 45 and a S/147 specifically? You're more likely to find a bnz 45 and any pre war K98k that's still around is a survivor considering how long they stuck around in German service. You better not be competing against me for a G/K43, that's the big one I'm saving up for now.>>61435312>maybe a Krag?Join the Krag gang.
>>61435374>G/K43I heard some dealer at the Granby Colorado gun show last summer say "I have fifteen of these back at my shop," while pointing to the entirely typical one he had at his table with sanded wood for $6,000. This is who we are competing against.
>>61435374I want the really rough looking receiver of the byf 45, and for the S/147 that's the code for the J P Sauer & Sohn factory, I had a RC 147 1940 rifle that i sold to get a set of working Nam era NVG's among other things. I have an "early war" example with my duv 42 and a late/mid war with my dou 44 rifle. I'd like the goal of a certain factory code and year to set to keep myself form buying to many things as at the moment I'm in college so cash is a bit tight, a few weeks ago at a gun show I passed up a bnz 44 rifle that was $250 that had a stock that was bubbaed but the rifle itself was still good if not matching because of this and the fact I don't want to have another sporterized to fix as I have yet to fix the one I have. I also have a pipe dream of a G41 form duv as i think it would pair well with the 42 duv k98, 42 was the last year that duv made 98's before switching to G41's and then switching again to the G/K43 in late 43/early 44 if I remember right. >tldr my own personal autism is the reason.pic related is a 45 byf reciver
>>61435493based boomer, that's what happens when you buy dealers tables at gun shows, you can snag all the good deals before normalfags show up
>>61433708>How's the glass on an old Soviet optic anyway?Surprisingly clear. old soviet optics are 90% of the optics that I have shot but it still surprised me. at max magnification it's just a bit clearer than one of my albeit cheap modern scope. (except the edges of the image that appear slightly fuzzy)
I need help from someone proficient in German autism. A friend of mine wants to sell me a k98 at a decent price. The waffenamt marks on the wood are rather weak. He claims that this is normal and NOT due to sanding the stock. It's a laminate stock if that makes a difference. Is he right?
>>61437141Depends, you can have a weaker stamp on the stock or it could be sanded, pictures would be needed to confirm. Laminate stocks don't take stamps as well as standard walnut but they should be clearly legible. If the bolt handle recess looks washed out, the edges around the action and recoil lug look rounded, or the edges of the stock slot look rounded out, then it's probably a sanded stock. You should also be able to very clearly see the layers in the lamination from the top and bottom, if they look blended together to the point you can't see the divide between layers, then it's been sanded.
>>61437215>the bolt handle recess looks washed out, the edges around the action and recoil lug look rounded, or the edges of the stock slot look rounded out, then it's probably a sanded stock.The edges look crisp with no rounding. The same goes for the laminate layers. You can see a pretty clear separation between the wood slices and the red glue too. The only thing that looks weak is the waffenamts. Granted they're not blurred out or smeared, just weak.
>>61437278>The only thing that looks weak is the waffenamts. Granted they're not blurred out or smeared, just weak.It might be legit then, some stamps were struck harder than others depending on how strong the person striking the punch was. Pic is the final acceptance on a byf 44, weaker but still clearly legible. Post pics of waffenamts.
>>61437766I'd have to go bug him for pics, but they look a lot like that. Rather weak, but not smudged or blurred or that "burnt" look sanded marks tend to have.
>>61435312>TulsaI don't live out west and have heard countless stories about this show being heaven on earth. How good is it, truly, for surp collectors?
Do you actually need to clean the bolt after using corrosive bullets, or is it only really the barrel that's at risk from the salts?
>>61438569I don't like gambling withanything that could potentially destroy my rifle. I always clean the bolt face, firing pin, extractor, chamber and barrel after shooting anything corrosive. If a part can accumulate powder, it can accumulate corrosive primer salts.
>>61438569>Do you actually need to clean the bolt after using corrosive bulletsThe rings of old pitting on the bolt faces of several of my rifles suggest that you should probably clean them after using corrosive primers.
>>61438640>>61438658Alrighty, sounds like I'll need to take the bolt apart and give those parts a soak after I go to the range next
>>61438667I never go that far. I just wipe everything down with a wet rag and then a dry one and I've never noticed any corrosion on my rifles, and I almost exclusively shoot corrosive 8mm through my k98
>>61438684Are you meaning take it apart and wipe it down, or only wipe down the exterior bits?
>>61438697I unscrew the bolt to reveal the firing pin and then I run a dry cloth across it from the bottom to the top to see how far down the bullet residue went. I then clean from the bottom of the residue covered areas and upwards. I rarely ever see residue on my spring or below, but I clean and re-oil that area after every 3rd or so shooting session just to keep my boot smooth.
K. Kale turk mausers, are they any good?
>>61438909They're fine.
>>61438937Thanks friend. I was looking at getting one as a cheap birthday gift to myself
>>61438909>>61438949They're not the most esthetically pleasing mauser, but they work just fine.
>>61438909Maybe my friend's was just dog shit, but the sight sucks. It's a very tiny notch that makes an early pattern m1903's battle sights seem preferable.
>>61438569I run a bit of water down the bore at the range and put a bore snake through it once or twice before I pack the gun up. Then at home, I spray a little CLP down the bore, bore snake another 2-3 times, then wipe down the bolt face. I never take apart the bolt. Maybe I should? Haven't run into issues with it so far. That said, this is only with bolt actions. I never shoot corrosive ammo through my semi autos.
>>61439353Corrosive in semis is fine, but is requires disassembly and cleaning. I run corrosive in my SVT, but that's especially easy to clean due to no gas tube.
>>61439388>Corrosive in semis is fine, but is requires disassembly and cleaning.And that's why I don't shoot corrosive in semis, lol. It's not any more or less corrosive for either kind of rifle, but semis just take more attentive cleaning. Semi autos are also more finnicky and much more expensive than bolt actions, so I'd rather not take a risk at missing something that needed cleaning and rusting part of a $2,000+ rifle.
>>61439451While you should always clean after firing corrosive, people meme about how bad it actually is. Your gun won't instantly turn into a pile of orange dust if you miss a tiny spot while cleaning. It takes a LOT of ammo fired plus a wet environment.
>>61439586I know it won't instantly rust, but I live in a humid climate and my guns get stored for long periods of time. They're no longer service rifles that get regularly checked and cleaned, and I have a lot of them. I'd rather err on the side of caution and also save myself some work.
Is Turkish 8mm really that shit? I've heard mixed reviews, most saying that it's not great but usually fine, but a couple saying that it's actually dangerous to shoot
>>61440088The brass is sometimes brittle; they didn’t start annealing cases until 1949. It’s also light 154gr @ 3000fps: a clone of the German 1905 S-patrone and the velocity confuses people who are used to much slower 198gr SS-patrone heavy ball. I get 3-5MOA from it.
>>61440043Your concern is entirely warranted. I've seen what Florida summer heat + rain + surp ammo does to a Mosin bore after just one day unattended. Invest in a quality dehumidifier
>>61440043>>61441302>they live in shitty humid areasMy condolences.
>>61438291Dunno, never been, thats why im saving to go.From what I heard Show of Shows is better for surp overall. But Tulsa is an easier drive for me so thats pretty much it im sure ill find what im looking for at something so big
>>61440088The powder granules they used have broken down into smaller pieces over time and increased the surface area that ignites, causing a higher pressure detonation. It’s safe to shoot in bolt actions, it’ll just be a little spicy, but you shouldn’t shoot it in semi autos unless you want to risk damaging the gun. You could always buy the ammo, pull the bullets from the cases, and reload it with your own powder.
>>61408007There are probably less than 10 NFA registered Type 100 SMG in the States, and maybe a half dozen mags for them...
>>61443880I remember the Morphy's machine gun guy saying that there are more FG-42s on the registry than Type 97 tank machine guns. Makes the fact that FGs go for 40x as much pretty funny.
>>61444000German autism is why.>Yugo, Turk, Czech, or literally any other mauser is like $400>k98 goes for $1000+ because it has some funny birds on itThe G43 has the same problem. It's a literal piece of shit made from pot metal and literally smashes itself to death, but it costs nearly double (if not more) than the superior Garand and SVT.
>>61445518In the very first months of COVID, I had the opportunity to buy a Gew43 for $2,300 and I passed because I felt that paying more than $2,000 for one was a bit ridiculous considering Garands could be had for $800 and an SVT for $1,400, and they are vastly superior rifles. To this day I don't kick myself for it, because I still don't think a Gew43 is worth more than $2,000, despite the fact that they're selling now for twice that. Cool looking rifle, and I do like Nazi stuff, but probably one of the most overrated milsurp guns in existence. I'm no poorfag, but I'll likely never own one because unless they drop massively in price, they'll never be worth it to me.Funny enough, a friend of mine had bought a couple thousand rounds of 8mm mauser for cheap back in 2010 with no gun to shoot them out of. He saw a Gew43 at a gun show for $700 but passed on it because a Yugo Mauser for like $200 was way cheaper. I still like to bring that up and twist the knife every now and then.
>>61446152>Garands could be had for $800 and an SVT for $1,400Strong reminder of why I should've departed the US east-coast years ago. I haven't seen those prices since ~2008.
>>61446152>Gew43My friend's dad traded one for an SKS. A year later, the very first Norinco import batch went on sale. He was sad for a while, although I guess you could say things have come full circle. At least his is a Nam bring back with capture papers.
>>61446152I had a chance at a nice K43 though with mismatched stock in early 2022 for $2700. It showed a year later on gunbroker and someone had poorly crossed out the original serial number and renumbered the stock to match (pic related). That one sold for $6k. I'm still saving up for a K43 as it is one of my dream rifles but I think about that one a bit and how I could have saved it. Regardless, I hope that I'll finally find the perfect rifle that's meant to be someday.
>>61446782What a scam. Germans didn't cross out and reuse stocks like that, plus those are struck totally wrong.
Anyone ever try reenacting? Looks like it could be fun, but a roll of the dice on whether the people in your unit are fat and autistic or cool and autistic.
>>61447316I have a friend who reenacts damn near everything from 1750 to today. American, British, German etc. He says it always depends on the unit. Some are garbage and don't care about historical accuracy to the point that it's insulting. Others are so autistic about it they come across as snide douchebags. There is everything in between. Just find good people and stick with them. If you reenact anything German, get ready to meet more people with shit personalities and a high cost of entry.
>>61444000I'm sure he's right about the scarcity of Type 97 tank mgs. Always wanted a Jap Type 99 LMG. Plenty of those around, many converted to .308.I've only saw 3 Type 100 SMG in the US in 40 years, and only 2 of them were for sale...
>>61447553Cool, appreciate the info. I guess it's just a matter of trying it out and seeing what you get. The other prohibitive aspect is how far and randomly located the events are. Been watching a lot of videos of European events and it must be really convenient for everyone to organize themselves there. But I guess their shit weapons laws make up for it.>If you reenact anything German, get ready to meet more people with shit personalities and a high cost of entry.I kind of figured as much, which is a shame. My plan is to maybe try WW2 American and see if that brings me into contact with any cool German groups.
I wasn't going to go to the gun store but I did, and I found a $50 stevens single shot which I wasn't going to buy, but then I did. Then I see the rack behind the counter where they usually put the stuff you are buying, and I say, boy is someone getting all those? And they said they were just about to put them on the floor. So the $50 stevens turned into a $650 1903a3, and a numbers matching 1909 Argentine cavalry carbine with bayonet for $500.What are typical prices for midwar 99's and M91/41's? The type 99 was midwar, I didn't look too closely since it was $600, the mum was slightly defaced, I didn't notice until 10 minutes before closing there was a bayonet on the table in a bag that looked like a type 30 scabbard, so it might come with the bayonet if I come back tomorrow. There also was a $450 M91/41 there with the bayonet. It had brass fittings on the bayonet, the rifle looked pretty decent but the barrel was a little rough, where as both of these are basically perfect which is why I opted to get them and now blow $2k.
>>61449734I know prices on Carcano bayonets are kinda schizo, would it be worth buying at $450 and sell the bayonet? I see low shit from $100, to high stuff for $350 so I'm not sure.I want a type 99, but is $600 with the bayonet about typical? I paid $125 for a type 30 bayonet for my type 38 a few years ago and I feel like type 99's are typically $500 if reasonably priced, so I'm not sure if it's a home run, but I am tempted somewhat.
>>61445518>bitch and moan about Germans putting too much time in to numbering screws and finishing things nicely>they leave unimportant exposed exterior receiver surfaces with as forged finish>bitch and moan about that too
>>61449753>$600 with the bayonet That's fair to potentially a good deal depending on the condition of the rifle and bayonet. I've seen type 30 bayonets sell for upper hundreds to two hundred, so it can make up for quite a bit of the total value.
>unmarked M1 bayonet, probably Greek>fits on Garand but rattles, loose muzzle ring>muzzle ringway too tight to even fit on the 1903A3Aren't they supposed to fit both?
Did DWM start the production with a prefix, or did the start with just a four digit serial XXXX, then after hitting 9999, went to A0001,BXXXX etc?If they started with A blocks, this is one of the first 1500 guns.
>>61450933Picrel is from an old Firing Line thread about Argentine Mausers. Congrats, looks like you have a super early one. Hope it shoots well. One of my local shops has a couple of full length rifles for $400 each in great shape. Considering picking one up.
>>61449734>a $650 1903a3, and a numbers matching 1909 Argentine cavalry carbine with bayonet for $500.Nice. >>61450591>Aren't they supposed to fit both?Theoretically, but my extremely worn M1905 bayonet is pretty loose on my early M1903, pretty tight on my '03Mk1 and '03A1, rock solid on my '03A3, and the geometry of the muzzle ring is too far off to even fit on my M1. >>61450933>Did DWM start the production with a prefix, or did the start with just a four digit serial XXXXDepends on the contract, but for the Argentine M1909s they began at "A0000" so you are correct.
As an euro, which makes more sense to buy? I want a milsurp rifle with decent accuracy to shoot regularly and improve my marksmanship.>swiss k31>sako m39>mosin pu>mixmatch k98 (matching ones too expensive here)
>>61452471K31 or M39 if you're looking for accuracy, but you will have to get into handloading for either rifle
>>61452496>you will have to get into handloading for either rifleWhy? for both the k31 and m39 I can find those big 50 round box of SB ammo for a good price. Are those not good enough?
>>61452550It's not the best possible ammo for either gun but do as you wish, it should be adequateM39 sights are easier to adjust btw
>>61452559thanks. I'll look into handloading but it always intimidated me. I fear kabooing my guns.
>>61452565Look up Vihtavuori data, start low and you should be fine esp. with 7.62x53RTheir 7.5 Swiss data is also fine apart from the OAL, it's made for looser G11 throats so the bolt probably won't close if you follow it to a T, ask me how I know
>>61452575thank you
>>61452471>I want a milsurp rifle with decent accuracy to shoot regularly and improve my marksmanship.Jesus that is a breath of fresh air compared to the hundreds of Ian fangirls that treat milsurp as an investment or as wall hangers. For once, based euro.
>>61452595Well you seeThey're worth fuck all here because the threat of a total ban is always hovering over our heads, and you can't hang them on the wall either by lawWhat's there left to do except shoot
>>61452600I guess, but would a ban of bolt action rifles be something far down the line even in Europe? Even the bongs can own bolt actions no?
>>61452605>wouldwouldn't*
>>61452605They're looking into banning lead ammo so the vast majority of milsurp would turn into trash overnight
>>61452605>Even the bongs can own bolt actions no?I think they need a special license for that.
the fat cousin of the austrian sofathe austrian comfort chair1908 and 1935 Mauser for Brasilmint conditioncompetition worthy accuracypure sex
>>61453380Brazilian Mausers are kind of cool and cheap here in Europe... but the hue provenance just doesn't do it for me, ya know
>>61452496this one is 350€, is it too much? It would be my first firearm
Is pedersoli the only one who makes a good quality rolling block carbine in .357 mag?
>>61453555Not a bad price if the barrel is goodYou might want to ask about the front sight marking (I have a minus marked sight so it shoots high with GP11 ammo) and get a brass punch set or K31 front sight tool (the side adjustment is done by moving the front sight in a slanted slot )
>>61453785Thank you for the informations, is it enough to consider a barrel as good if it is shiny, has sharp rifling that doesn't fade near the chamber and the muzzle and the end of the barell isn't nicked at the crown? Sorry for my english also
>>61453819Sounds good to me
>>61453824Nice
Question about Finnish Mosins (specifically the M39) since they're being mentioned. Are they really as accurate as they're hyped to be?I'm a pretty decent marksman and I shoot my K31 and Swedish Mausers really well. I've heard that M39s are on par in accuracy, but I've shot multiple of them, and while they're not bad, they seem like they just sit in the middle of the herd as far as WW2 bolt actions go. They're definitely more accurate, more ergonomic and more solid than a regular Russian Mosin, but as far as I can tell, it seems like they're just that; a highly improved Mosin brought up to a standard to compete alongside an Enfield, Springfield, K98, etc, but not exactly match rifle capability like neutral countries had the privilege to produce.If I've looked at the M39 as a precision bolt action of the era, I'm left disappointed. If I view it as a combat rifle, I'm very impressed. Do others mirror the sentiment? I feel like the rifle's accuracy, while again not bad, gets overhyped by the legacy of Simo Hayha (who didn't actually use the M39 btw.)
>>61454106The M28-30 is actually the more accurate rifle that was used in competitions, the M39 having more freebore n shit for combat reasons. Also depends on the ammo you have used
>>61454106>>61454150FWIW, I shoot my m/28-30 more accurately than my other Finnish Mosins, despite it having the worst bore condition. I think the sights are what make the most difference. The sight picture is similar to my Swedish Mausers (square front post and U-notch) and those I also shoot pretty well.
>>61454394What ammo and D stamp or no?
Went and shot my new Turk Mauser for the first time yesterday, had an absolute ball. I just slammed through about 40 rounds, and the vast majority were roughly on target. The sight is a bitch, and I can't imagine trying to use it in darkness, but it was still good fun.Used corrosive bullets, and the cleaning was a pain in the neck, but I think that I did it well enough. Or at least, I really hope that I did, because I will shoot myself with a corrosive bullet if I cause my first surp to rust after shooting it once.
>random voice mail, never check>actually check>gun store says there was some ammo with the gun they forgot to give me
RTI M95 anon here with a final update. I applied two coats of raw flax oil and put it all back together. Been a fun journey but I wouldn't do it again. Function checks perfectly. Bolt is nice and smooth. Now to just find some proper ammo for it.
>>61456102Pic didn't upload. My bad.
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