Previously on handloading thread >>61257382
What's the most obscure die set?
>>61367619I wonder... do people ever rechamber some other gun for an obscure historical cartridge just to get to say they shoot/reload it
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>>61367633Yes
>>61367619Eh, people have one-off custom dies made all the time, and there are countless oddball wildcats out there.
>>61367633I have two guns being rechambered in the next 2 weeks.
>>61367633I was debating reaming a 32acp barrel out to 32NAA for a Beretta 80x for the memes. It was going to be either 2 years leadtime or $250 for custom reloading dies though on top of a reamer so fuck that.
looking to getting into reloading, any decent starter tips/setups?
>>61369881What calibers are you interested in reloading?
>>6136989938 special 12 gauge and 308 would be the most prevalent.
>>61369881I'd somewhat discourage reloading for 12 gauge unless you're some kind of slut for recoil and absolutely have to go through a case of magnum slugs every range session. Lee's sixpack pro is good for blasting ammo, you'd have to be more specific about what your budget is, what you're looking for and firing schedule.
>>61369636Rent a reamer and do it yourself. All you need is a tap handle and some oil to do it. 4drentals has a lot of wildcat reamers which is great. I rented a 30-30 Ackley reamer from them and reamed out a chamber holding the barrel in one hand and the reamer in the other and it worked great.
>>61369934What >>61369989 said.Start off with a lee 100th kit and buy nicer equipment as you figure stuff out. If you don't really get into it you'll only be out a few hundred bucks and if you do get into it you'll have a backup press once you upgrade.
What's the poorfag setup for basic shit like .45acp, .45lc, and 9mm? I'm assuming rifle calibers need a different setup, but I don't know.
Loading for shotshells doesn't have high up front costs compared to metallic reloading. You don't need a big press unless you are shooting high volume; a roll crimper is easy, cheap, and is efficient and works great for small and medium size batches.However, >>61369989 makes a good point, it's probably not economical to reload them for casual shooting. I handload shotshells but only for antique guns that don't use modern shells.
>>61369029You definitely own some interesting handguns.
>>61367544Reloader anons, whats the most obscure cartridge you can think of, and how much is it to load per round?Im talking a caliber that makes .22 Pokey look as common as .22LR in comparison
>>61367619I've got one for .40-60WCF and .458 Lott. I dunno if the second is so much rare as obscure.
>>61369881If you plan on shooting regularly for the foreseeable future/rest of your life you should get a multi stage press like a Dillon 550 or similar. If you shoot rarely you might want a single stage press. Don't be fooled by nonsense like "starting press" setting up four individual stations on a press is not harder than setting up a single stage, but it saves a lot of time when you get to reloading. Just be thorough when setting it up. Do not forget to lube rifle cases before resizing them this is very important.
>>61370142Cost and rarity don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. Something like .50 BMG match ammo is going to be expensive because of the high volume of powder & the expensive projectile. Same for something like an old 8-bore black powder rifle. Those weren't all that rare but it's an awful lot of powder & lead for each shot.The most obscure I've loaded for personally was .375-50 BMG "Mach V", a wildcat developed by the original owner of State Arms Gun Co. I used to own the last gun he made before he died in a car wreck, its serial number was less than 20. The cartridge was a big pain in the ass to make. It took 4 forming dies to neck down the case, followed by case trimming and OD neck turning, and then the usual FL sizing. The stupid high velocities required monometallic bullets so they couldn't shed jackets. Those were expensive. However, the powder required, WC-872, was available as cheap surp at the time.Most obscure centerfire cartridge I've heard of, ignoring one-offs? 16.5x18R Beringer. It's a black powder single-shot pistol round from a Parisian armorer sold in 1850.
>>61370231The Lott is totally unknown to the average person interested in, say, self-defense, military, vidya, etc, but is very well known to anyone who is into African hunting.
>>61370104Lee makes good entry level stuff. Pistol and rifle cartridges use the same reloading equipment.
>>61370104>poorfag setupBuy used dies and a used press from in person from someone who doesn't care about getting as much money he can from it. Recently where I'm at even used dies reach just about retail prices at online auctions. Save up and buy components in bulk.
>>61369881>>61370104Just buy the Lee Classic Loader. Don't listen to ANYONE telling you to buy a bench mounted kit. These things are portable and comfy and cheap AF and you can reload anywhere with them.If later on you want to upgrade and do things like full-length size or uncommon calibers, you can buy the Lee Hand Press.
>>61370319A lot of people consider the Safari cartridges as super obscure but they really used to be quite popular, it's just a couple generations ago when nobody was transcribing thier lives to reddit. I just wish some of them guns weren't 5 digit price tags...
>>61370455this is a bad-faith post. if you reply to this include your lee classic or you're a faggot. >>61369881pic something that is easy to load and will actually be worth it. something straight wall and not for use in an automatic will be the easiest. 357 mag is great because you can play with many powders and load levels to get used to the important concepts of reloading. it's also expensive enough that reloading may actually save you money. do you have bench space where you could stick a press? you don't need it, but it will change my recommendations.
>>61370497Yeah, I got some space. Preferably not something big i can remove if i need the workbench space for some electronics projects, .38 special and .357 are definitely on my list of what I'd want to reload. Haven't been able to reliably find wadcutters.
>>61370497Good advice here, hell you can bolt a bress to a 2x10 and c clamp it to the countertop or kitchen table as long as you don't plan on sizing mag rilfe. Idk why these fags shill the handpress and whack a mole so hard, do they only load 6 rounds at time or somethin?
>>61370536well, you could get just about any press. if you think you'll start bulk reloading you may want a turret press, if you think you'll get something weird to reload, a rockchucker supreme let's you accept the large dies used for big shit, while also being able to use the regular dies. If you are totally new, I don't recommend a progressive press, it's a lot going on and easy to screw up. I'd buy used, there are lots of presses on eBay.
>>61370572>Idk why these fags shill the handpressthe hand press is fine if you aren't an arthritic manlet. The post was intentionally telling people to get the classic loader because it's annoying and difficult to use. If you think that was in support of it, you are as stupid as that poster was. >t. magnum rifle reloading handpress Chad. I didn't recommend it because he's got space for a real press and doesn't need to mount to his kitchen table like an urbanoid subhuman.
>>61370572not him, I bolted a press on a board and used C clamps to fix it on the desk when I was reloading.Made me a little (too little I'll have to fix that on the wall) reloading bench so I can swap between the Hornady, the dillon RL550, the Lee ACP something to decap and some other tools
>>61370572>hell you can bolt a bress to a 2x10 and c clamp it to the countertop or kitchen table as long as you don't plan on sizing mag rilfeI did that in college. I bolted to a double layer of plywood, I kept it in my closet, when I wanted to use it I C-clamped it to the kitchen counter. Worked fine up to and including .300 Win Mag.
>>613690297.62x54r is obscure now? Dang. I guess the sanctions actually did happen and I’m not living in a simulation.
>>61370497Fine there's my ultimate minimal portable budget handloading setup>Frankford arsenal deprimer deprimers any cartridge>Lee hand primer with shell holder kit>Lee shell holder plus steel wool in a drill to clean case (optional)>Lee spoons for powder charges>bullet seated with lee loader rod and base cap all my loads are compressed which eliminates the need to measure for COAL>I don't resize my brass because it's unnecessaryIn fact if you are loading for a straight wall cartridge, you probably don't even need the Lee Loader.
>>61371021shitty baitfor those who dont understand, its a ukraine tourist seething that this isnt ukraine thread #84758 his 100 IQ is enough to realise he probably shouldnt say this so he does the next dumbest thing and pretends to be pro russia to antagonize people who dont give a fuck about this gay warAnyway the lee turret press seems really nice for the money. Especially if you add the bullet feed die you kinda get close to a progresssive press. Am i missing something with that? Also is the new version of the lee primer feed system actually worth a damn now?
Alright, I've been collecting a bunch of 223 brass (pretty easy task at any range), and I've ordered a 7.62×25 die set from Lee. I plan to manufacturer my own 7.62×25 brass through the process that's been popularized online. >cut down the 223 brass>resize it in the die>ream the new "neck" with a reaming tool to thin out the brass so you can actually fit a bullet>resize it again My one slightly changed that I plan to use is instead of using an expensive and specialty .311 reaming tool to thin the case neck brass, I plan to use a 5/16 (.3125) to ream the neck. I understand the .0015 difference could lead to some issues, but it would save me over $80 buying a cheap machine 5/16th reamer I can get at any hardware store for $7, rather than a $70 (plus $20 for shipping) speciality .311 reaming tool. Has anyone tried or done this process in general? I'll be reporting results as soon as I get my die and begin trying to make my own 7.62 Tok brass.
>>61371299>shitty bait >for those who dont understand, its a ukraine tourist seething that this isnt ukraine thread #84758 >his 100 IQ is enough to realise he probably shouldnt say this so he does the next dumbest thing and pretends to be pro russia to antagonize people who dont give a fuck about this gay warno, it's a well poisoning post, are you new to the internet?
>>61371299>>61371564Can you both just stfu and talk about reloading. Just ignore any post in relation to anything other than reloading. That's the whole point of a general.
>>61371563>Has anyone tried or done this process in general?I did the same for .30 Luger brass, but instead of a proper reamer for the inside of the neck I just used a drill. The .223 brass I used was slightly smaller in diameter than actual .30 Luger brass so almost all of the cases cracked along the sides after a single use.
>>61371563Why not just buy brass?
Is N320 too slow to load .32 acp? And is 86gr FMJ too heavy of a bullet for .32 acp?
For me its the Lee hand press
>>61371759per GRT, N320 with 86gr RN and 2.2gr propellant gives you 862fps 142 ftlbs and burn out at 2.85" pressure is 19500psiseems reasonable.
>>61371819Looks alright, maybe the heavier bullet is good for giving the slower powder time to burn?
>>61371590Any thoughts on the Lee turret press then?
i melted down about 40lbs of stick on wheel weights, i'm getting conflicting information as to the metallurgy of them, the manufacturer MSDS says anywhere between 3-7% antimony, castboolits says they are less than 1%. i have about 10lbs of melted pewter in small nuggs, should i just cut the lead with some tin and not worry too much about the antimony?
>>61367544Wanna start reloading for my svd but it dents brass. What do? (Never reloaded before)
>>61371737Did you use a 5/16th drill bit? The projectiles and neck are the same size on both rounds. >>61371741Because Tokarev or 7.63 Mauser brass is expensive, and 223 brass is free at every range.
>>61372250>but it dents brassWhat do you mean by dent? Resizing and recapping is the first step of reloading.
>>61372063If you have known good documentation like MSDS then go with that. Castboolits can only go by generalizations, it's not like they know exactly what's in your specific weights, and they do vary by manufacturer. Also, be careful there isn't any zinc in there, that will fuck up your melt.
>>61372296Some rifles dent the side of the case when they eject. Resizing won't affect that, though fireforming will pop the dent back out. I don't know what the safety of ignoring the dent is.
>>61372319no zinc, there were all the same type of weight hand sorted. the problem is the manufacturer only has one MSDS for all their lead weight, so i cannot truly verify unless i have the ingots scanned.
>>61372331Literally just use a weight and a ball bearing to get a rough estimate of the hardness,
>>61367619Pounced on this on ebay a long time ago, never seen another of the same brand ever again.
>>61369881Lees Anniversary kit. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1013011111?pid=423081It has served me well and I use almost all of it still. The scale can be upgraded to a cheap digital. I use both to verify each other. The powder dropper is fine, but can be tossed when you buy something like a charge master link. I've recently gotten the old pro 1000 progressive press they were selling for $100, but I think they sold them all. I'm using that one for bulk 9mm and 556 only.
>>61372289It's fairly common and hardly expensive. Could just buy factory ammo as well if you just want to shoot.The .223 method is fairly shitty and makes a sub par round.
>>61372358Do you load for that caliber or are people collecting rare die sets now?
>>61372650not yet, waiting on the bullets to go back in stock at graff's so I can start on it.
>>61372487>It's fairly common and hardly expensiveIt isn't 1990 anymore, grandpa.
>>61373029What's your point? The brass is too expensive? Or you spent all your money on convenience shit instead? I can't tell whom you're blaming for the passage of time.
>>61372063tape weights are usually soft lead>>61372250you can ignore the dentssome mangle the mouth which sucks ass
>>61373029tt33s don't like the .380 case head, they like the 9mm case head a lot better
>>61369989Is that because 12 gauge is just cheaper? what if I want to load meme rounds?
>>61373238I guess you can get a roll crimper pretty cheap for the occasional meme round. it gets boring very quick thot. maker of meme rounds on shitty roll crimper
What are some tools you bought that you wish you would have bought sooner? I finally bought a powder trickler and it's so much easier than my old method of using a Lee scoop to tap out those last kernels needed to get up to weight.
>>61373561I just throw charges for plinking ammo. Only measure to the tenth when testing loads.
>>61373591Most of my stuff I am ok with just throwing with a hopper but loads for 600+ yards I trickle. Some stick powders like Varget don't meter too consistent.
>>61369881before you even start (if you're not already) brass jew as much as possible and you can start with brass and not ever really have to hunt for it
>>61373056>What's your point? The brass is too expensive?Yes, it's over 30¢/case for 7.62 Tok ammo, retard. It's over 50¢/case when you factor in shipping, because you aren't going to get it Cabela's or Sportsman's due to them not stocking it. The point of reloading is still to save money, even if that's gotten harder.
>>61372358>>61372860I use the lee dies for it and 8x56r is one of my favorite calibers. I just wish I had more brass and bullets for it>>61373056NTA but I personally like to jew out and pay as little as possible for any reloading components. The time costs make no different to me. On a related note I will soon make posts regarding reloading steel case
>>61373185>they like the 9mm case head a lot betterI've heard that using 9mm Winchester Magnum is the best for reforming into Tok ammo. It's harder to find than 7.62×25 though, so it's kind of pointless.
>>61373658And be sure to always ask other people at the range if you can have it. I don't necessarily mean because they want it to, I mean because a lot of nice shooters will often help you get it and/or collect it as they shoot to give to you when you're done.
>>61373687If I weren't already knee deep in gun stuff purchases I need to make in the future, I would get a 8x56R rifle and all the reloading gear for it
>>61372289Sorry, I don't remember what drill bit I used. It was a metric one, probably around 7.5 or 7.6.
>>61373561Electronic jewelers scale, it is much faster to use than the mechanical one.
>>61374702I got lazy and started using a digital scale tooBut mechanical scales are cool
Do you think shooting these at 950-1000 fps out of a 6" bbl will cause (bad) leading?
>>61375870probablyjust shoot some jacketed after the lead to scrape the fouling out
>>61375870what's the max pressure?
>>61372296>>61373180yeah sorry I meant the mouth, where the bullet is seated into, it will dent that part
>>61375964Can do. I don't plan on shooting many anyway.
>>61375870yeah for whoever is hit by them lmao
>>61376052ohget you a tapered drift punch to iron out the dents withjamming a needle nose pliers in there and twisting does it tooanneal and all that jazz
>>61375870You're good.
>>61375870Leading is caused by insufficient pressure for obturation for a given bullet hardness, too much velocity for a given hardness and bullets sized under throat and bore diameter. Ideally your bullet would be sized 1 thousandth over cylinder throat diameter with a bore diameter that doesn't exceed the cylinder throat diameter. Ideal load pressure in PSI is bullet BHN x 1422.
>>61376203Bullet lube, leading occurs without enough too, better to have too much than not enough. Also copper fouled bores act like sandpaper to lead.
Thank you for all the advice, frens.
Another thing that will affect lead bullets quite significantly is how tight the cylinder's throats are. I have some revolvers that won't pass a .358 bullet in any cylinder.The forcing cone angle is ideally more shallow. Rugers come with a 5° forcing cone, but 11° is considered perfect for lead.
My brother just got a Taurus 327 for $289. I now need to start reloading 32 H&R Mag (cheaper brass than 327 Fed. Mag).What are the best 32 Cal projectiles? My brother plans to make it his new beater hiking and occasional carry gun, so HP, SJHP, SWC, and WC boolits are what I am looking for.
>>61378181How is the gun? I've been fascinated with 327 for a while. Almost bought an lcr, but I'm a cheap bastard.
>>61378196I only shot 6 rounds out of it (didn't want to shoot all the ammo for my brother's new gun). It was 327 Federal Magnum ammo and the recoil felt stouter than my Charter Undercover loaded with regular 38 special. Fit and finish seems good, but still inferior to my charter arms, and incredibly inferior to a S&W. For the price, it's pretty damn good. I wouldn't get one if it wasn't on sale for the price my brother got. I may like it more with lighter 32 H&R Mag ammo, although, my brother seems to like the recoil and power from a smaller sized wheel gun.
>>61369029>9.3x74mmRÜBERBASEIRT!
i dont know shit about fuckwhats the best book to learn the topic
>>61378281Lyman is the gospel. We're up to the 51st edition now, but if you find a 50th or 49th on sale somewhere for cheaper, those are still good.
>>61378281Just look up some basic introductory videos on hebew-tube.Most companies who manufacture gunpowder or reloading tools also have some basic reloading manuals available for free on their websites.
>>61378281Counter: Lyman's book has atrocious data in it for jacketed bullets and frankly they haven't changed their own cast data in a while. Are you looking for a how-to or a recipe book? I would grab as many manuals as possible.
>>61378373>I would grab as many manuals as possible.This, honestly.Hatcher's Notebook by Julian Hatcher and Handbook for Shooters & Reloaders by P.O. Ackley (2 vols) are excellent as well.
>>61378373thanks. Looking for just for something to see how its done and if I can even afford to start. >>61378404I think I will start with Lyman and see from there.
>>61378532I wouldn't buy a load manual just to learn the basic steps. You're probably looking at at least $400 for a basic setup and some components.
>>61378281Youtube has a lot of people doing it on camera where you can see exactly whats going on, I'd recommend that. The only literature guides I've seen worth a damn are the ones included in Lee Die sets which explains what each die does, which helps a lot in understanding whats going on and why you need these 4 or so screw on bobbles.
What if I loaded some 71grn 32 ACP projectiles to make some fast as fuck 32 H&R Mag loads?
>>61379613If the gun can handle it then send it.
>>61379613paul harrell says there isn't a single 32 acp hp that actually expandsthe 327's velocity might be just the trick to get them to expand
>>61380485If it doesn't expand at 1400fps+ I'd be shocked.
>>61372250>I do still baby it tho like putting adesive foam where the brass impacts the dust cover so that it doesn't ruin the finish etc. (>>61340914)Maybe this could prevent the brass from denting unless it's smacking on the edge of the ejection port? Leather would probably work best and last the longest if you could find a way to stick a pad on the side. Could probably get leather scraps easy. Hell you could even get it in black. Use the thick stuff they make holsters out of. Might be able to get a scrap from someone who does leather work; I once got a small scrap from a guy who makes holsters to fix something. There's a lot of bits that are otherwise scrap.
>>61372358>>61372860>>613736878x56r chads what are your loads, from what I've inferred the lee data is pretty unusable. I got a set of C4HD dies off ebay a while ago and an rcbs rebel press to swage .338 bullets down to .330 I've got 260 rounds of original 1939 dated hungarian and austrian surplus loose and on clips in boxes that I don't want to fire that I got with the gun simply because it's a waste
>>61378693>at least $400 for a basic setupDepends on how many calibers he wants to do. I started for $150 with a simple single stage Lee, two die sets, primer tool, and cheap digital scale.
>>61381436I only have some German load data for Stoklossa bullets they don't make anymore But for pretty much any of their 200gr projectiles it's 42 grs VV N140 with a 72.3mm OAL, you can convert that on your own but I don't know if you have VV powders.
>>61381380that's a fukken nice idea
>>61383175>>61381380personally I wouldn't put adhesive on a 40k rifle. it's gonna corrode the finish. He's dumb to even shoot it when he already has a Tigr
>>61385437Did you know the 454 R92 will feed cartridges up to 1.880. That's part of why I selected it to convert to 357 B&D. The regular 357 R92s can be made to feed quite a bit longer by adjusting the cartridge stop on the carrier, the ejector in the bolt, and sometimes opening up the rear of both cartridge guides.They'll also be more tolerant of bullet designs then too.
>>61383189Maybe just shove a magnet inside the leather. Then back it with some thin leather. Not saying to for sure glue it on but hard to figure out another way to attach it. Oh and neodymium, none of this fridge magnet shit.
>>61385555Most 2 part/craft epoxies won't cause corrosion. I use them to bed grips.
>>61385587>epoxying to an SVDAnon...also hot glue comes off with a drop of isopropyl alcohol btw. Quick on, quick off.
>>61381436I use the PPU 208 gr projectiles with the PPU brass. For Powder I use 45 grains of IMR or AA 4064 and then seat the bullet so that the case mouth is on the groove. Then I just crimp it there and it works great for me
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What's the best 147grn 9mm bullet for subsonic/suppressor loads?
>>61387742for me, it's the 105gr SWC
>>61370079what's the bottom plate on the bullet for?
>>61388931it's a gas check :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_check
>>61388977>2024>Still not powder coating
>>61367544How hard would reloading GP11 be stateside? I have hoarded all of my old brass but I have never tried reloading it. I heard somebody once say you can convert GP11 brass to boxer pirming, but it is probably not a reality or easily done.
>>6138774290457 is a mistake do not buy itgotta seat them retarded deep to keep them off the riflingbuy 90465 instead
>>61389042you can also smash the anvils with a primer pocket swedger then glue normal LR primers inthey're slightly undersized but it's a bolt action so who cares if they sometimes fall out after having been fired
>>61388993you quoted someone quoting a picture of a GC PC bulletI still get leading with PC, I'd use gas checks but my most used molds don't got the proper base for them
>>61389042Just buy the primers.KV762N Berdan or RWS 5608.The alternative is ream or swage to remove the anvil, press in a .22 shell and trim, swage to size, and drill a new flashhole.
You did stock up on primers during the Precision Reloading special that just ended right? Primers were $70/1000 and it's obvious $0.10+ per is gonna be the new norm.
>>61389788please tell me where I can buy .217" berdan primers in the USeven at 20 cents apiece
How do you guys make load data for stuff when there's no good info on it? I have a bunch of Winchester 244 powder and 30 luger brass that I want to use with light M1 carbine bullets. Is there a compooter program or something?
>>61390151Quickload or Gordon's Reloading Tool, brotherman.
>>61390170>Gordon's Reloading ToolJust downloaded it. Working on making some loads to my exact specifications now. Looks like I was dead on with my planned 3.4grn starting load.
>>61390170mutha hucka
>>61389042Real talk, why does the shoulder on the GP11 look so funky? I have new Norma brass that looks nothing like it, and GP11 cases when fireformed look like my Norma cases
>>61390510Keep in mind that GRT itself isn't dead on, but it's a decent approximation of whether you will have a KB or not
>>61390151>>61390510you should get a chronograph too, otherwise you will have a hard time verifying the performance that you are getting. you don't want to wait for pressure signs on your cases in most guns.
>>61367544Aluminum autist checking in. From my original 6 test shells I am down to 2. These are on their 4th reload, I just want to get one of them to 5. The shells I started with for this were range pick-ups, next time I am just going to buy a box so I'll have more to work with.
>>61392035Based and semiwadcutterpilled.
>>61391478Chronos are crucial when developing data using only software. Only way to gauge how accurate it might be.
Free hazmat at MidSouthShooter, 99FH4E.
>>61391478I plan on getting on a chronograph. I recently missed a sale on a Caldwell one for $75. I might wait for a memorial day sale to see if it drops price again.
>>61393171>Only way to gauge how accurate it might be.Ballistic pendulum is an option for measuring velocity, and that can be DIYed.
>>61390170There's also an older program called "Load from a Disk"Also, don't forget you can often find published data for a different cartridge with similar enough bullet weight and case capacity that those can give you useful information as well. Check and see if you can find data for similar cartridges whether those are older, newer, etc.
>>61393948I've been looking at data for 7.63 Mauser as a starting point.
The Argentinian primers, servicios or whatever went bang everytime with my lightened GP100, I recommend.
>>61392035neato, still way too much work to separate and inspect every case when the savings isn't even that significant but I always enjoy the spirit of curiosity
>>61396542It can be worth it. Unlike aluminum autist over there, aluminum reloads are great for one time loads. Personally, I like the ability to go to the range now and again and not have to worry about looking for my brass when I'm done. Treating reloaded aluminum as disposable, because a good portion of them always will be, is nice.
>>61393898okay but why when a Chronograph is literally like 60 bucks used.
>>61396542Yeah it's just for fun, I don't intend on doing it a lot or anything.>>61398443This is what I'm probably going to do going forward since the aluminum cases are small primer and everything else I load is large, I'll just load them up for plinking and not have to worry about picking it up afterwards. Now that's I've messed around with them I know that there is rarely an issue on the 1st reload anyway.
>>61399319I'm an autist, so when I saw someone say the *only* way to measure velocity was with a chrono I called them out on their bullshit.Now the goalposts are moving to an entirely different question of which is the most practical method to measure velocity. I'd rather buy a chrono too, but there do exist other options for people who want a DIY project or who can't find an chrono they can afford.
>>61400165So you suggested creating an alternative chronograph.
>>61400165why not spinning paper disks? or electrical disruption screens?or radar?or the acoustic ones?
got some new shelves for the reload bench. just started 6 months ago and still feels like I'm on the steep part of the learning curve. what kind of experiences have guys been having with the bosnian large rifle primers? got 500 and will by trying them in my sks this afternoon.
I want to start reloading .45 and 223 and i only have this.How fucked i am ?
>>61400237or soft steel plates and measuring deformation
>>61400389it's gonna go greatjust be a bit slow
>Decide to try out my Badman Bullets 230gr .357 Magnum Bear Rounds, 7gr WAC, WSMP, Starline Nickel Plated Brass>Shoot in 3" King Cobra>Kicks like something really crazy but very short recoil pulse, gun rises up 60-70 degrees>Have to use a mallet to get the shells out>Primerholes fucked, no splitting in brass though>King Cobra handled it like a champYeah
>>61400389Buy quick change lugs for your dies.
>>61400573Try these, asolutely crazy blast out of a 6" gp-100.
>>61400683I can probably make something quite similar, these rounds are nice and would probably work but I don't like not being able to reload.
>>61400694I feel that now that I'm into reloading. I'd like to into a 158gr soft point going around 1350 but I'm too chicken shit to mess with those high pressures rn. Just .38 for now.
>>61400742The trick is to have overbuilt .357s, get a Ruger Redhawk .357 and I bet you can delete cases in it and still be fine.
>>61400742Also I'm going to be doing a 200+ round batch of .38 158gr subsonics soon for a silenced levergun project, you got any good light loads?
>>61400573>WACautocomp is kinda slow for pissin' hot 357get you some longshot
>>61400807the .38 generiload seems like your best bet3gr of any fast pistol powderany bullet from 110-170gr"it'll go bang"
>>61401059I hit it with a magnum primer and it was a wadcutter tier setup. The primers were loose in the casings to the point of falling out when extracting so it was def hot.
>>61400807>38 158gr subsonicsI don't know if I'm loading my loads light or something, but all my 158grn loads are subsonic, even in a rifle length barrel.
>>61401124fuck I said slow, I meant fast
>>61400573You don't want to venture into those pressures again, use a slower powder. As another anon said, use a bigger 357. The Freedom Arms model 83, Magnum Research BFR 357, and 6 Shot Redhawk will all handle pressures far north of what the brass will take.This was estimated by QL around 70,000psi, cases had no problem extracting. Lot of pressure when you send a 210gr boolit to 1540fps.
>>61401164I've heard this, just wanted to confirm it. >>61401071Seems pretty solid thanks
Does any component manufacturer make small pistol primer 45ACP for sale? I'm sick of having to separate my brass and keep large pistol primers around for some rounds of one caliber. Most of my 45ACP is Federal and Blazer small pistol primer I found at the range, but starline, Hornady, and Winchester brass for sale all seem to be large pistol primer.
>>61401603there are places that sell primer sorted range brass but they're kinda spendy
Is there any data on downloading 556 for optimal powder burn through a 16" barrel? t. retard who lost the information when it was posted in the last thread.Second question is about powders. Why does a certain powder only require a couple grains for a specific weight bullet while another powder may require three times as much? Is burn rate a factor?>>61400341Name of shelving system? That is exactly what I need.>>61400670Aren't the lee quick change lugs only for the smaller c press?
>>61401233>it's the quickload pissin hot handload guyI can't wait for the inevitable blowout
>>61403824There are 3 primers in there that blew out. What would you like to know?
>>61401994Rubbermaid TwinTrack, got it at home depot, maybe $180 u.s.d. all in? it works great and i have plenty of room to expand as i grow my collection
>>61404179thanks
>>61403861No, I mean, as in your gun exploding in your hand.
>>61404812Doubtful.When playing with rocks and dynamite, you use something that can'r be hurt.
>>61404916Anything can be hurt if you know what you are doing.
>>61405024That's why I'm not loading it full of bullseye.
Working on reloading my first pistol rounds. Before this only done 6.5CM.Using federal brass and 148 DEWC on a lee turret press with the lee carbide die set.How do I ensure that the seating and crimping die is applying enough of a crimp? When it it dialed down enough that I can actually see the roll crimp then it starts to buckle cases. These are light loads of only 3.7 gr of Win231 but in the future I want to work up some stouter SWC loads and want to ensure I have the crimping process down before that.
>>61401696That kind of kills the point. I can just take brass from my range if I wanted to that. I was hoping to buy some new, unmolested brass for my purposes.
>>61405064I am an intelligent individual that can be trusted with reloading equipment.
Are we making a betting pool for the first blown up gun from someone here yet?
>>61408213There's no self-professed expertise on a Lithuanian model-ship building forum, but suffice it to say that you aren't even aware of what is out there. Look up "353 Casull" if you want to also play with dynamite.
>>61408223This one.>>61400573>loading in King Cobra, K frame sized>stuck cases and blown primers>fired them all anyway
Would it be practical or even viable to start a business handloading specialty rounds for people? Like if I batch out 500 rounds of subsonic .300 blackouts or hot .357 mags? I know nobody likes shooting handloaded ammo, hell even I don't, but it would be really cool to do it as a service instead of only for myself since all I'd load for myself is .308s
>>61400573the brass is stuck because the pressure temporarily expanded the chamber walls, the brass expanded to that new dimension, then when the chambers walls returned to normal, the brass did not contract as much and was capturedwhat coal did you load those tohow long is the boolit
I shoot my handloads with a FS92 this week but had alot of malfunctions when my thump slightly had contact with the slide ( i know my error). That was 115gr and 145gr low-medium loads. Shouldnt a small touch be ignored by the slide and still fully circle? Now sure, Ammo shoots smooth and now i wonder if its time to add another 0,2 to 0,3 grain of powder
>>61408979You don't want the federal regulation, by extension the equipment/licenses/inspections/liability, that comes with that.
>>61409023You're absolutely right I don't want that at all. Thanks for talking me out of it
>>61409069I agree with the concept of making ammo, it would be nice to monetize the hobby even locally, but the only way to overcome the costs associated with regulation and insurance is to sell on crazy volumes with low margin.
>>61367619The CH4D reloader vs the virgin big box ammo pruchaser
>>61369175This, they might get a die that's fairly close and then use a chamber reamer to set dimensions, then hone and polish.
>>61369881if you shoot a lot of pistol or your time is valuable get a Dillon 550C or some other progressive. If you do some reading and take your time to understand each step it's not that hard to figure out. I started on it and I love being able to crank out 50-100 rounds in a half hour for an improvised range trip. That being said I now want a simple 50$ single stage for troublesome cartridges or a dedicated decapper.>>61409020Lubeanon I did the same thing shooting my 92FS for the first few trips a few months ago. You'd be surprised how tight you grip things when you shoot, it felt like I wasn't even hitting the slide release but when firing I definitely put enough pressure for it to not hold open on the last round. If low- medium loads aren't cycling then bring it up a bit. Always smart to work up, I do that every time I use a different powder although I go 20-50% above the minimum because I hate having hands. Check primers for possible pressure issues.
>>61409604Thanks, I was really surpriced and started to put 2 bullrets in a mag all the time till i found its its my hand. The Canik had a finger rest so we did full training without malfunctions but the FS92 wasnt Lube proof,lol. Gonna bump it up a small amount and for sure shoot more often.Do you know what strange shit comes out of my primer pockets? Its like a hidden Jizz demon wants to make me angry and reclean them. Its only coming when I didnt removed the primers and when the dry provcess is natural and slow. Might be corrosion salts from primer pockets, but i dumped the cleaned cases 3 times into fresh water to get most acids out? Also gave a cases cleaner PT to my LGS, lets see how it does
>>61409802I've actually seen this in a few of my primer pockets and just threw them out but didn't note anything because I haven't ever seen it in my 3000+ handgun reloads. Do they have a headstamp in common? I think mine were all S&B but have no clue if they were once fired or something I loaded previously. I never bought S&B before though. Might depend on cleaning or lubing methods. I use Dillon case lube (Lanolin suspended in ISO) on a cookie sheet and try to spray perpendicular to cases to keep lube out of the neck/primer pockets. Spent primers fill the holes but I could see some lube leaking in. I recently started dry tumbling my finished rounds because they look amazing and it gets all the lube off of the outside. That may help narrow it down on future loading.
>>61410323Checked them, not all got it and its always CBC(Magtech) and S&B. I know that S&B got a own primer prodcution, maybe its some Leadoxide. In the future Im going to search and write down when that shit comes back, in the past i just putted in for another run and than it was all clean. Next weekend I get extremly lubed up old cased in 308Win. My current formulation only holds like 0,5gramm detergent per Liter formulation so I might need to artifical test possible degreasing. The problem I found is carbon dust on the outside of the casing, the acidic cleaners dont attack that but make it all clean inside. I guess pure carbon would rather be cleaned in alkalic cleaners but those suck ass for the important part (inside and primers). The towel rub somehow removes the carbon anyways so its fine. We might do a early Prototype run for firearm cleaner this summer, here I could provide some case cleaner PTs for ultrasonic and wet thumbler. Also got a emulgation forming bore flush for black powder (Ballistol on crack), but no testers for that,lol. For dry tumbling I also got something but first I need to lean how to produce creams
>>61409802>strange shit comes out of my primer pocketslooks like residue from polishing media to me. what is your cleaning process?>dumped the cleaned cases 3 times into fresh water to get most acids out?That would remove anything acidic, but it wouldn't remove polishing compound which is usually oil-based. Try and see if solvent like acetone or an oil-based gun cleaner will remove the gunk.
>>61410537Im testing ultra sonic cleaners, so all wet. I agree that submerging in water remives all acids but to start im only holding acid concentration at a stupid low 0,4%, so its kind of unable to do much demage in terms of stochimetry. But not removing the primers will trap so much water amd provides such a small amount of surface to evaporate. I think its time test that residue on monday, maybe its just a oxide tgat wont dissolve but rather go out with ultrasonic action after it showed up (testimg without cleaners)
>>61410409I fucking knew S&B was bad. I use free range pickups and someone in my town shoots it. Decapping needs to be lower, leaky primer cum residue, weak brass that deforms easily. I think I'll start tossing them. Had no idea CBC was magtech. I had primer seating issues with a few of those and they looked like military cases but then again who the fuck is making military crimped 9mm? I'll keep a note for my future reloads, I just pumped out like 500 rounds of 9mm but I have plenty of brass left to do another 500. I do only dry tumble my brass though so maybe I'll have an easier time seeing it. picrel shows some S&B I found next to other brands I found obvious white shit inside. not sure if it shows in the pictures
>>61411512>>61410409nevermind I'm retarded the culprit in this case is my polish. I'll still keep an eye out since I think it is a certain primer brand. I've only used Rem and CCI so far. Haven't shot any of the federal but they're soft and shitty with huge boxes so I've been trying to get rid of them by loading all I can.
Anyone load 5.7? It's the only round I have worth loading but I'm not sure it's worth the trouble giving how pressure sensitive it is.
>>61411646lol Lyman 51st doesn't even have pressure measurements. The difference between the starting grain and the max grain seems similar to every other handgun cartridge. It doesn't seem like it would be too hard even being bottle necked. I load 357 sig and use accurate#9 to support the bullet if I don't have enough neck tension. Seems like A#7 or blue dot would do the same.
>>61411906Isn't the real autism with reloading 5.7 involve the wax that FN puts on the case?
>>61412031I believe the problem is more or less nonexistent if you're only neck sizing.Additionally, there are some 5.7 guns (I know at least the S&W) that operate without the case lacquer, so you can just tumble the brass to remove itI believe the lacquer was originally to make the cartridges feed better in the p90 mag and not for better extraction
>>61411906I wonder how loading changes when your case stretches 4mm when it's fired.
>>61412251My guess is trimming the neck more frequently which ultimately means less case life. it would be nice if someone who reloads it would chime in, but I don't know anyone who does so I'm just making guesses.
>>61412251Where are you getting that from?
>>61413392actual firing of 5.7 out of blowback guns (like the P90 and AR57). I'd be interested in seeing people's measurements of case capacity changes.
>>61413421The shoulder moving forward does not mean the case has stretched. Especially 4mm.
>>61411512>picrel shows some S&B I found next to other brands I found obvious white shit insideI find white stuff in once fired PPU brass all the time. 24 hours in a soap and citric acid bath takes it off.
>>61413753PPU was the other brand I noticed some weird stuff happening inside. I have some of their brass in 357 sig and it kinda sucks for reloading, but I never pay for plinking brass so I'll use it until it fails.
>>61392035The last 2 shells made it to loading #5. This time I used 185 grain swc's with the same 4.5grn w231. So the aluminum experiment is done, at least for now.
>>61406958yeah I knowI'm waiting on someone to make small primer heavy web cases, was gonna buy some super brass but people can't agree if it has a thicker web or just harder brassfuckin starline
>>61412111>I believe the lacquer was originally to make the cartridges feed better in the p90 mag and not for better extractionor for the cases not to stick in the chamber, like a fluted chamberremember that the p90 is an unlocked blowback and it is a high pressure round
>>61415804now it's time to toss 12gr of blue dot behind a 230 to send them off the right way
>>61413490If the shoulder has moved forward the either the case has stretched, or the shoulder has blown forward. Or a little of both. Either way the volume must increase.
>>61414654PPU brass has exceptionally tight primer pockets, they're a pain. Ruined a few primers.
>>61400670I really don't use the quick change lugs. Just unscrew the die without moving the ring. It'll screw into the same spot.
>>61416805But doesn the lock ring prevent you putting the die on? I need to always screw on from the top, which forces me change to take off the lock ring, put the quick change on, and then reinstall the locking ring. I still only have 1 and need to a 4 pack or something.
I just bought a rifle and the previous owner loaded some rounds hot enough to cause blown primers (pic rel), and dumb enough to shoot at least 20 of them. On visual inspection both the barrel and bolt seem fine. Is it safe to shoot the rifle still?on a piece of paper inside the box there is what I think was his load data: >48.3 of n140 - sierra 174gr L.75.5
>>61416947get a nogo gauge.
>>61416947Looks like the load was fine, but the firing pin is sharp/broke/messed up. Make sure the pin is nicely rounded.
>>61416957Look at the edge of the primers, still nicely rounded, the primer flowing into the firing pin recess is pretty normal. It's not pressure.
>>61416947>>48.3 of n140 - sierra 174gr L.75.5I stuck that in quickload, it's giving me a max pressure of 53k. It doesn't seem dangerous and I don't see the primers flattening either.>>61416959I agree, look at the firing pin, make sure it's smoothly rounded over with no sharp edges or corners.
>>61416957>>61416959>>61417050Thanks, I can't get a better picture as I need to go out soon, but I have another rifle like this one (that never gave me this problem) and I will compare firing pins. If it looks too sharp/too long what is the fix? Good old sandpaper?
>>61417112If it's sharp and long, then a little sandpaper, followed by some flitz polish.
>>61417135I am pleased to hear that. I wouldn't trust any gunsmith around me to unclog a toilet.
>>61417112You may also gently peen it shorter with a small hammer, take off the edges with file, sand then polish. There's a lot of space in that firing pin hole that allows primer to flow in. If you had a bigger around firing pin, then that would be an even better option.
>>61417112>>61416947Vepr?
>>61417112You're not that Italian dude, right?
Prices of .380 are insane and I'm thinking about reloading it now. RMR's 95gr RN are the cheapest plated bullets after shipping and taxes fuck everything else. I'd be able to reload them for about ~$0.21 each. The cheapest 380 is Sergeant Major at 23cpr. Otherwise it's Reman or expensive.So how do you guys calculate how much you save? Do you take price of factory ammo minus your component costs and subtract it from your equipment costs?
>>61417216>So how do you guys calculate how much you save?I don't save a damn thing.
>>61416918Grip the entire die and twist. Use that jacking off muscle damn it.
>>61417186am I missing some /hlg/ lore?
>>61416947could be just shitty primers
>>61417228>Use that jacking off muscle damn itI stopped jacking off when someone at the gym mentioned my right arm is somewhat noticeably bigger then my left.
>>61417216That's about what my 357 Mag plinking loads cost.I don't factor in the brass cost unless it was new, but even then not after the first load. So that leaves powder, which is 7000grs to the #1, so divide your cost per lbs by 7000, then multiply by the amount of grains used in a load.Primers are anwhere from 5-12 cents these days.Projectiles for plinking are all in the 7-25 cents neighborhood depending on the caliber/weight/material.
>>61417291>not jacking off with your left to get swole there
>>61417301This, I was thinking why would you stop? Just use the left hand.
>>61417216I just compare my total cost per round vs. factory ammo per round. My .45 loads come out to about half the price of factory ammo. Like most other people that end up reloading, I don't really save money though I just shoot a lot more.
>>61417351>I just shoot a lot moreAnd this is fair. I definitely piss through 250 rounds of 357 Mag every range trip. What would usually cost me 40cpr(shipped) at absolute minimum, now costs about half that. Cheapest 357 at my lgs is over $30(60cpr+). To shoot 250 rounds would cost me $100-150, now only $50 and my time which I don't mind.
Based tool but it fuck your hand even with gloves on jesus
>>61417181svd>>61417186I might be
>>61417659I fuck my hand regularly anyway
>>61416805I like the lugs simply because it speeds up the process. If you don't mind doing all that threading every time then save your money.
>>61417659How is it fucking up your hand? I use that thing all the time and my hands are fine afterwards.
>>61417351I'd shoot 9mm more if I didn't have .38/.357 to reload, so maybe its true for some.
>>614190999mm is too cheap for the effort considering Turkish steel exists.
Do all casings need to be the same size for a regular grouping, or does it not matter as long as it's within the min and max range ?
>>61417112fellow svd owner, my bolt looks the same. You sure he didn't just use shitty primers?
Is handloading significantly cheaper to make it worth doing over just buying ammo?
>>61422392Handloading is a hobby in itself, I'd do it even if I didn't spend less per round. If you don't enjoy handloading the money saved will probably not be worth it to you. My 9 memeters are about 30% cheaper than store bought and my .308 about 40%, just for fmj. I save more on soft points or otm bullets compared to factory ammo.
>>61417112>>61422387Actually yeah doesn't the SVD require harder primers than the Tigr because the firing pin mechanism is slightly different?
>>61422483>firing pin mechanism is slightly different?I don't own one but from looking at the forgotten weapons video they look the same
>>61422483dunno if tigr has a sprung firing pineither way the primers aren't very flat in the edges cratering like that is sometimes just too much clearance pin to hole, maybe he rounded the tip of the firing pin off like some dudes on here suggested, loldo some loading of your own to see what's going on, just be aware that pierced primers sometimes hang the firing pin forward making it fire out of battery, so wear your safety glasses and don't stick your hand underneath the mag baseplate
>>61423014Tiger has a spring, NDM and SVD were free floating but a lot of importers added the spring as a import requirement.
Free hazmat on powder at Brownells + 10% off using: CHARGE10 (not tried it)
>>61422314I've heard that you can get minute differences using cases from different manufacturers. Wall thickness potentially being the most crucial difference. I assume you mean the length of the brass, and I'm not sure. I would say the distance the bullet travels before interacting with the rifling (overall cartridge length) is more important than whether the brass has a couple thousands difference between cases. Randy Selby of the The Real Gunsmith probably has a video about that.
>>61425401Nta. I reload for a FAL, so I don't really load to exacting standards or anything, but it still drives me nuts how Lapua cases, Sako 100 stamped cases and regular Sako 308 stamped cases are all different weights
Wondering if handloading is worth it. I just got a couple of 357 revolvers I've been wanting to mess with and get good with a few months ago. I wound up being super busy for a few months and barely shot them. Now I'm coming down from them I'm feeling a bit more agnostic about shooting revolvers a ton vs my semi autos. I'm feeling like I should mainly be using the revolvers as skill builders and not larping as a boomer and firing a ton of 38 per month. I also stay pretty busy so a few hours on a saturday to dedicate to reloading is kind of a big investment of my time. I only really shoot 9mm and 5.56 and I guess 38 now that I have the revolvers. It seems like it may only even be economical to reload the 38s. I already feel guilty like I don't really shoot enough (I try to do at least 1-2x per month but time gets away from me and it's a low priority) and I'm not sure if getting started on reloading is going to encourage me to engage with it more or just lead to more unused clutter taking up space. I'd probably have about $300 to spend on supplies starting out, including some kind of table to work off. What do yall think?
>>61426387>300Too little for an initial investment, but everything pays for itself quickly by halving the cost of even the cheapest plinking ammo. It allows you to do more shooting.
>>61425079Yeah, and probably still $20 for shipping. I just can never justify getting any components on any site. It's still cheaper just to go to bubba's bumfuck gun emporium where everything is $10 above MSRP if you don't have a big box store nearby.
>>61426387I think you "feel" too much, just do shit and if you don't like it do something else.
>>61426387Sure that can be done on your budget. Get a cheap Lee C or O press for under $80, a Lee 38/357 die kit for $40, a perfect powder measurer $20, a hand primer or primer tool for your press, and some wood and bolts to screw everything down and you'll be good to start.
>>61422392Depends on what you're reloading. 9mm/556? You'd need to shoot thousands to break even on the cost of getting started. Obscure or antique stuff? You'll be cutting the cost of ammo by 75% or more in some cases if you have the casings.
>>61426436If you get 10% off, that covers shipping easily.
>>61427140he's probably buying powder a pound at a time and primers a thousand at a timeas if quantity discounts aren't a thing
>>61426387Based on what you wrote, I would say don't bother and that's because it's time intensive and time is what you seem to lack
should I get a .308 or .309 resizing die?I'm want to resize 32ACP bullets for a C96 to .309, but I also plan on getting into casting soon and that would include casting 30 carbine projectiles that would need to be resized. I obviously don't want to have two dies only .001 in difference..309 bullets in a 30 caliber barrel shouldn't be an issue, but I wonder if the loss in accuracy I could be incurring on using .308 barrels in a 7.63 Mauser barrel would be a bigger issue.
>>61369881start with a single stage press and dont forget digital calipers, a good scale, and a handloading manual
>>61370104you could be a poorfag ammo factory watching your goyflix with just a $40 lee hand press and $35 carbide die set for each of those calibers you want to load
>>61370455hammering is such a pain in the ass just get the fucking hand press its literally 10 times as fast as that and costs the same and literaly just as portable
>>61429582>$40 lee hand pressThose things are kinda awful. I'd recommend the lee c-press for like $42 and a dollar more for bolts and a piece of scrap wood to mount it.
>>61429683Skill issue. Think about it as also getting better arm strength
>>61426387>What do yall think?This isn't your blog you whiny bitch.
>>61429683>kinda awfuldo you have arthritis? No? then they are fine for non-bulk tasks.
>>61429544I use 308 sized poly coated 32 bullets in my Mauser and tok, they seem fine.>>61429683"They hated him for he spoke the truth"
>>61416115Don't worry, I will give them a proper explosive send off.
>Getting a wood block to have a single stage press be pseudo portable because owie arms sore after reshaping brass I thought reloading wouldnt be full of bugmen.
>>61429544you want 309 cast for a 308 barrel anyways>>61430652don't, lol
>>61430694>you want 309 cast for a 308 barrel anywaysOh, yeah you. Well, .309 resizer it is.
>>61422483Yeah I checked them and they look the same. I guess it was the primers. This saturday I'll test more with some commercial ammo
Anyone ever try these Hornady XTP flextip bullets in an autoloader?I have a Springfield XD 45 and a Colt Officer I want some new defensive ammo for, and these are rated to take down large game.
>>61432434What specific bullet are you talking about? Ftx for the 460 are sure as hell not going to expand out of a 45acp.
>>614324341. They are REALLY long for their weight. Many of the FTX have a worse BC than other similar weight bullets. Much less powder room too.2. The length forward of the cannelure is too great for all autoloaders, which means trimming brass to get within the COAL window, or having a weird uncircumcised cartridge look, where the bullet's ogive is well below the brass' neck3. Because of the expectation that the FTXs will be used in bigger, more powderful cartridges, it means they're unlikely to expand well if at all.
>>61432478>powderfulHuh, well that works too.
>>61429683i agree but he said specificaly he was doing straight wall pistol rounds and it works totally fine for that without any issue also its super conveniently portable which means you can be sizing a bucket of brass while watching tv in your room or smoking a stogie outside on the porch. but i agree a lever handle bench press is superior in every other way than mobility
>>61371766I own 6 presses and have been reloading for 20+ years. This is one of the most underrated pieces of equipment that exist. Get the ram prime kit, some dies, and components. Then throw the entire kit in a 50 cal ammo can. You can't go wrong with it, especially if you don't have room or want a travel press.Also, based full wadcutter shooter.
>>61432485lol
>>61429683Too ad onto this, you can also get really cheap deep c-clamps from Harbor Freight if you don't have clamps big enough.
>>61433728oh, that's a good ideaI've been using dewalt brand irwin clamps from the hardware store, which are much more expensive
>>61432478>long for their weightI agree, I have both HAP and XTP .355 bullets and they need to be seated deep to not jam into the rifling, hampering velocity.
>>61433728I prefer the trigger clamps. Much easier setup and breakdown
>>61433895cheap c clamps are more forgiving for cheap, low quality I've found. if you get a trigger clamp it's not worth getting the harbor freight special.
>>61434075don't buy crappy c clampsespecially the really deep throat ones, they crack without much force applied
>>61432697I feel like it would suffice for neck sizing rifle rounds too, since it doesn't require a whole lot of forceThat said, I have never used one
>>61434805it works fine for neck sizing. i have one and use it mostly just for pistol brass or depriming with a universal decapper and i almost exclusviely use it when i want to watch tv or movies in my room and dont want to hang out in my reloading bench in the garage. if you are a serious boomer handloader they would be nice to take to the range too so you could load on the fly which is nice so you dont have to load a bunch of shit that you have to pull down loater because you discovered your max pressure signs were in the middle bracket of your test loads. i think it has a good niche and its cheap enough that you should get one. its only like $40 and you can get them on sale for like $10 less every so often. way better than the hammering kits that only necksize. but it sucks to resize bottleneck rifle rounds and especially if you fucked up on the lube. ive felt the aluminum arm flexing and was scared it would snap one time when i got a sticky 30-06 case taht i didnt lube properly. now i only use it exclusviely for straight wall cartridges but thats because i dont necksize anything anymore but if i did it would be fine for that too
>>61371766>>61432749How do those copper plated was cutters preform? I've always heard that the reason was cutters are really good because they're made of soft lead, so if they aren't are they better or worse?
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>>61434566Cheap doesn't inherently mean shitty. A lot of Harbor Freight stuff is actually good but costs way less. Just have to research properly
>>61435124Pretty sure the entire point of wadcutters is they have a large bearing surface and cut a much cleaner hole into the paper targets
>>61438419They're good at hunting as well. They leave a hole about twice the size of the bullet's diameter when pushed at speed.Sure, a hollow point will expand to that size, but they won't penetrate like a wadcutter will.
>>61435124Wadcutters are pretty good for hunting/defense, but I've never heard expansion as the reasoning for it. That logic doesn't make any sense either, as any shape of plain lead bullet will expand the same so the shape being a "wadcutter" doesn't matter, and wadcutters aren't necessarily made out of soft lead either. Using "wadcutter" as a proxy "soft lead" makes little sense. Why not just specify "soft lead"? And even that is odd, as it is hard-cast lead which has the reputation for being a serious hunting bullet.The point of a wadcutter is its shape. When it hits flesh it punches a round hole whereas a pointed bullet tends to push between things rather than cutting.
>>61435124I have experience with them.The increased hardness means they are more prone to squibbing when used in a revolver with light loads.You can counteract this by loading them hot, but then you take away the point of wadcutters in the first place, which is target shooting with light loads.If you're loading for self defense, you're loading hot, and a short barrel makes squibs less likely.
>>61432749>ram prime kitI love the hand press but hate single feeding those tiny primers. A few more dollars gets you Lee's hand priming tool which is much nicer while still being portable
>>61433895those are called "irwin clamps" apparently
>>61434566You don't really have to crank it down to have a solid press. I can resize 30-06 brass with basically zero flex.
Who makes small primer 7.62×39 brass, just Winchester? It's hard enough to find large rifle primers for all my PPU brass, and I just want to load with the couple bricks of small rifle primers I already have.
>>61440508this was my idea for 577 smokeless. 6.5 grains of Ramshot Zip and the space filled with nitro cards. for powder charge I assumed the nitro cards counted as filled volume, so that's why the charge is so low. I'm not super worried since it's only 6.5gr, when a normal warshot was like, 80 of BP. GRT says max pressure is like, 14ksi.
>>61440463>irwin clampsThat's a brand. Those are ratchet clamps.
>>61441354sick, I love looking fucking retarded on 4chan, that's my favorite place to be stupid
>>61438411their c-clamps are cast and not forgedthey're very brittletry using them once and you'll learn
>>61441557just like, aneal them and then do your own heat treat or something idk
someone bake new breadI'm way too drunk>>61440641what's even funnier; a lot of the large primer brass takes large pistol primers, and you gotta pick out magnum ones with the thickest cups>>61441563u mad dunny, son
>>61441579I gotchu senpai.>>61441663>>61441663>>61441663
>>61441672<3 ilu
