Did Soviet tank design peak with the T-62?
>>61410002Isn't this an old one?
>>61410002No. The T-62 was by far the worst (in relative terms) soviet tank.Worst mobility, worst armor, obsolete interior. The gun was kinda innovative (soviets were using smooth-bore field guns since the 40s) but that's all.The T-64 was speak if you ignore the fact that it was a 'tank to defend kharkiv factory's backyard'.
>>61410002No, that was the T-64. The best quality and threat in comparison to the Western armor it would have faced in the war it was built for.
>>61410112>early age teething issues>expensive by soviet standards>low volume productionT-55 was most common soviet tank up until mid 70s, few houndreds T-64 they managed to produce, sustain and deploy to that date would change nothing in the grand scale of things.
>>61410145>sustain and deploy to that date would change nothing in the grand scale of things.Doesn't change the fact it was the design peak.
>>61410002No. The ussr peaked with the t-72, which is pretty much the best tank design for a total war scenarioThat being said, the t-62 is good enough to hold off leopard 2 waves if set up right. Some ukrainian guy talked about such an anecdote in an interview
>>61410002T-80U was their peakalso peak kino, firing at the russian parliament
>>61410185>That being said, the t-62 is good enough to hold off leopard 2 waves if set up rightI sincerely want to see the T-62 crew that somehow manage to outspot and outgun Leopard 2s in real combat.Unless the point of course was using reverse slope positions or urban areas where there's a single road as a killzone.
>>61410150>design peakYeah, if you didn't make your cutting edge stuff your regular stuff it's not worth the effort. German plains would feast on all armor avaliable indiscriminately. In the end game of things M60 was eventually fully replaced by the M1, which become the standard tank in quality and quantity.
>>61410238Yeah, but the T-64 at the point it was produced and used was specifically the superior tank, overmatching NATO armor fundamentally. It represented an actual, definite MBT superiority on the Soviet side, which is why it's the factual peak of their design. Once the Abrams/Leo/Chally tanks rolled out, the Soviets would never actually have that superiority again.
The best Soviet lineage tank currently is pretty obviously the T-99. It has AP systems and all the sorts of neato stuff that modern tanks should have.
>>61410291Yeah.
>>61410237The gist of the story is that the t-62 was well-concealed and got the first shot on the leopards. None were penetrated but they called off the attack
>>61410002T-64
>>61410291>It represented an actual, definite MBT superiority on the Soviet side, which is why it's the factual peak of their design. Once the Abrams/Leo/Chally tanks rolled out, the Soviets would never actually have that superiority again.This
>>61410002update: now DesertCross 1000-3 is the best Russian military vehicle
>>61410745i hope they get a couple thousand more of them, they're sovl and kvno when going up in flames
>>61410002Russian peaked with the T-64 and went downhill after that.Western design peaked with MBT/Kpz. 70/Abrams/Leopard 2.
>>61410293Akshually it's the ztz type 99a2
>>61410770They're too easy to dismount and don't throw turrets, so they're kind of lame because their use denies us footage of more BBQ roastniks and new cosmonauts.
>>61410145Everything you said is wrong, find me one (1) actual Soviet document saying it was unreliable or expensive to produce (you cannot, because the only source is Steven Zalog's stupid ass). The T-72 and its derivatives literally cost more than the T-64 ever did. All of the purported issues were flat out made the fuck up by Steven Zaloga and regurgitated by Russians to make the T-72 look better by comparison
>>61410291I guess that's why Ukraine still fields lots of them
>>61410002Nope, the t64. The t-72 is basically a water downed version of the t-64
>>61410965The T-64s were also manufactured in Kharkiv, so they have an inherent bias to maintain their T-64s because of it. I think they traded tanks with Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union as well, trying to ensure that they both had the tanks they could manufacture on their own soil.
>>61410231truth
>>61410112> Check T-64> Designed by Kharkiv Morozov Machine Building Design Bureau> Check MT-LB> Kharkiv Tractor Plant> Check soviet helis engines, jet engines, rocket engines> Ukraine, Ukraine, UkraineJesus fucking Christ
>>61410745>>61410770Tell me how that commercial off the shelf system is worse than the new American MIC scout vehicle based on 90% parts commonality with the Chevy 1/4 pick up truck that costs a quarter of a million dollars each?
>>61411239And if you check their aircraft missiles, most aircraft jet engines, radars and many (cryogenic) rocket engines they are in moscow oblast because their design offices were started by captured german engineers and soviets learning from them.
>>61411239You are now starting to grasp why the Russians want it so badly.
>>61411239A prison of nations. Just like the Soviet Union sent individual designers into Gulag to design their weapons, they did the same to nations.
tank is tank
>>61411301>>the soviets opressed the Ukranians so much they used Ukranian land and Labor to bulild massive industrial complexes and power plants.>>also Holodomor, the Executed Renaissance and the dedicated eradication of Ukro Language in all walks of life
>>61410231I feel like we're not too far away from seeing this again
>>61411301>>The only party in Czechoslovakia in the 50s and 60s was the communist party>>Therefore all the infrastructure, schools and factories built by Czechoslovaks was built by "the communists"Sure nigga and all the bridges in medieval Europe were built by Christians. there was nobody else around. wahts your point?
>>61411321
>>61411321wait hang on, is it actually happening?There's no way it's actually happening.
>>61410002Soviet tanks peaked when they got lend-lease Shermans. All downhill from there.
>>61411364It's not happening, that t34 belong to Mr. Hewes in UK,they restore tanks and apc's for a living
>>61411403OI, YA MEAN MATILDA, INNIT MATE?
Ignoring this completely moronic post by the bald cretin:The T-62 was a fairly underwhelming tank, it was effectively a stop gap vehicle, a T-55 with a stretched hull and a new turret to accommodate the 115mm smoothbore.The gun was pretty good and ahead of it's time, however the criminally slow rate of fire and the tiny store of two ready rounds for the loader was a massive handicap to the practical firepower of the tank.In a drawn out combat engagement the loader would have to draw rounds from the hull bunker to reload the gun, making the already slow rate of fire considerably worse; the hull magazine could only be easily accessed with the turret facing forwards.In service it ended up ironically being surpassed by the better rounded T-55A it replaced when it eventually received modern HEAT and APFSDS ammunition in IIRC the early 1970s.Today it still has access to some surprisingly good rounds (if you can find them) but the combination of the criminally low rate of fire, poor FCS, stabiliser and gun laying mean that it is not going to win many duels with other tanks.IIRC there was an anecdote of Ukrainian 2A4 drivers being ambushed by a group of highly camouflaged Russian T-62s on the Zap front in summer '23.The T-62s pulled of a a successful suprise attack on the 2A4s and the 2A4s struggled to detect them, however it was for nought as the T-62s could not penetrate their frontal armor allowing them to pull out.
>>61411364What this guy said >>61411418Vid; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV3n6fYGQjs
>>61410293Can anything stop the based Chinks anymore now that they’ve surpassed Russia on weapons design?
>>61410291I would say the Soviets remained competitive to the end of the Cold War (though by 1989 they were falling more behind). The latest generation of Western tanks had still only been produced in relatively small numbers as late as 1985. You're right though that the T-64 was probably the last Soviet tank design to just be outright qualitatively superior by every metric than its Western counterparts.
>>61411313also interesting fact about gulag> In 1950-60 KGB cronies put bandera ukies en masse into gulags > Ukies after learning about mass rapes and broom sessions organising mass riots > They even build erzats tank and their own radio freequency while being INSIDE gulag> A bit later gulag system collapsesconcept of chill is foreign for those fuckers
>>61411301>Look at all the farmland and tools we gave the slaves to use
>>61410231I was being born on the day this happened.
>>61411239You missed naval vessels, also built by UkrainiansUkraine was the brain power of the Soviet Union.Russians are retarded.
>>61410002I still remember when the T-62 was been deployed by Russia and it was all "It's just for indirect fire, it won't be on the frontlines." Now they're sending T-54s into the heaviest fighting alongside golf carts.
>>61411301fucking kys
>>61410002I wanna bash that fucker's skull on a radiator so bad bros
>>61411330>the dedicated eradication of Ukro Language Bizarrely enough, Soviets did the opposite and were actually forcing certain groups of russians to learn Ukrainian and Belarusian. Obviously, as with all of their hijinks, it only made things worse.
>>61410002downhill since t72
>>61415413I want to fuck him to death using Scott Ritter's head.
>>61410002No, I've seen them fly quite a bit higher than that.
>>61413145a lot were built in poland and some Mi helis were produced exclusively in poland
>>61411424>surprisingly good roundsFunny enough of the three nations that make those two are the UK and Belgium.
>>61415413I feel like his parents beat you to it, anon.
>>61415518Copelord is at least 30 years too old for Scott Ritter the child diddler, he might haunt you for doing this
>>61410905There were teething issues with the drivetrain during the early years although they did get mostly fixed by the 1973 when it was re-introduced into service. As for the thing about it being expensive there are two reasons, the first being that the later T-72s were indeed cheaper than the initial variants while the second reason is that the T-64 could only be produced in Kharkiv which didn't sit well with russian tank plants and is the real reason for the T-72 since upgrading those plants would've been ridiculously expensive.
>>61411424The worst part of the T-62 is unironically not even the slow rate of fire but the other massive handicap caused by the shell casing ejection mechanism - it required the gun to point ~15 degrees upwards after every shot to reload, and obviously the gunner's sight would go there with it, leaving only the commander to rotate the turret in the general direction of the enemy for the gunner to pick up when he finally gets down.>In service it ended up ironically being surpassed by the better rounded T-55A it replaced when it eventually received modern HEAT and APFSDS ammunition in IIRC the early 1970s.This is what would have happened if the soviets weren't completely incompetent retards. Instead, the HEAT round that was adopted in the early 60s(1961 iirc) was only issued at 2-3 rounds per tank at most and the APFSDS didn't arrive until the late 70s.
>>61410045T-72 is worse measured against its later Western contemporaries than T-62
>>61411523I'm telling you man, you give a Ukrainian a first aid kit and they'll find a way to turn it into a tool of Russian removal.
>>61413145>Brain powerYeah compare average iq of hohol and russoid please.Also funny how the moment le prison of nations collapsed hohols stopped doing any of this lmao. Best they were able to produce is t-80 upgrade (nvm lol the production numbers are armata tier) and drones (africa tier technology) oh and don't forget that one t-64 apc with cameras from apartment intercom. Gues their brains only worked when russoids ruled over them .
>>61422026Anon, saying 'russoid' does not make it less obvious when you say 'hohol'.
>>61418069I fucking hope so kek. He blocked me on Twitter for cyberbulling him lmao
>>61421958>I'm telling you man, you give a Ukrainian a first aid kit and they'll find a way to turn it into a tool of Russian removal.You make an excellent and accurate point but in fairness, Russian first aid kits are effective tools of Russian removal.
>>61422031Hate both of them simple as.Also staying to the thread : the t-64 autoloader is more dangerous than t-72 in both cases of top attack ammunition and frontal penetration. The soviets had some t-62 based prototype that used t-72 like suspension, so i'd say it was the best soviet tank. Idc to find which one of 6 gorillion objects it was tho.
>>61422026>>61422051This is a UVZ shill, everyone ignore him
>>61421958Based Ukies
>>61410002The fact that "T-64 Obr.2022" is being discussed as a positive by this chucklefuck is fucking hilarious.
>>61422126The fact that there are morons here who don't know difference between T-62 and T-64 is more hilarious
>>61422051I remember mention that the T-72 at least permits the placement of an armor plate between the carousel and the turret basket. And T-90 card shuffling found a way to even thicken this plate.Webmrel, this T-90 manages to not perform a magic disappearing act.However the cookoff still finds the easiest equivalent to blow-out panels are the turret crew hatches.So the TC emerges from his coccoon a charbroiled worm.I wonder if anybody had an idea to implement blow-out panels into the side of the hull. Along with a carousel aperture blast door, maybe foolproofed to close like a valve, if overpressure arrives from below.Meh this would require major hull alterations, infinitely beyond the oligarchy's economic interest.
>>61422202I've seen a lot of older T-series tanks that didn't throw turret but just had propellant burn out
>>61421884>it required the gun to point ~15 degreesVery much this. It's the main reason why I don't like the tank.
>>61422202This tbf , i think it would have worked if they somehow sealed the carousel and made blowout panels to the side of it and beneath it. + At least some fire extinguisher system. Maybe make ammo be stored in some sort of fire resistant tube (filler) like in challenger/chieftain tanks.Then again too much money , dare i say a mansion or a yacht.
>>61410231This. They did my girl dirty
>>61422051>t-64 autoloader is more dangerous than t-72 in both cases of top attack ammunition and frontal penetration.It's not. T-72 has less rounds in autoloader and as result it has spare rounds stuffed everywhere.
>>61422621| the engineers were blow maxing
>>61410002The T-64 was peak, it was groundbreaking for it's time, it forced NATO to get its shit together to create the Leopard 2, Abrams etc and it wasn't made by r*ssians.
>>61411239western ukraine was part of the Habsburg Empire for a while.middle european / german ways of thinking, organising, doing things (right) were planted in peoples heads then.pic related scared the russians on the eastern front between lemberg and pzremysl 1916-18
>>61423489There is lots of this shit. Like how polish election results tend to match pre WW1 borders just like the lack of [spoiler] bathrooms [/spoiler]
>>61410293There's no APS mounted on this tank you've just posted
>>61411523Wasn't the Gulag system abolished by Kruschev which also happened to be Ukrainian?
>>61411239No wonder they can't do shit without the ukrainians.
The US had the M26 ->M46, then the M60 Patton. Then they had the M1 and it's derivatives.The Ruskies had T-54/55, then T-62, then T-64, then T-72, then T-80, then T-90. Plus all their derivatives each. Most serving together at the same time.The US was fading out the older tanks in a respectable way with giving to the Reserves, NG, and marines. The Soviets never really faded anything but the T-54/55's out.Why?
>>61411239Ukrainians, Germans, and to an extent Poles literally did all the intellectual heavy lifting for the entire USSR since its inception. And the Polish part is beyond ironic considering the founder of the Cheka and OGPU was a Pole, and even Shostakovich’s family originated from exiled Poles in Siberia.
>>61424577>The Soviets never really faded anything but the T-54/55's out.AFAIK then never completely replaced the T-55. Only their non-export vehicles were phased out of service. Most tanks were simply stockpiled in Siberia for exports, the major reason for vehicle "loses" the soviet union had as they never had a direct war at large scale.Most old tanks went to newly formed commie regimes, simple geopolitics that the US wasn't so willing to do the same (big mistake considering what happened in 1940s China).
>>61424577>M46, then the M60 PattonYou skipped two tanks that were both more important, mass produced and longer in service than the M46.
>>61424679M47 is a derivative of the m46. M48 same thing. Unless you are talking about light tanks, but I am focused on MBT.
>>61424825>M47 is a derivative of the m46completely new turret>M48 same thingretarded faggot
>>61424577US didn't even need the M60 nor the M1the M48 (upgraded) was more then what you needed in a total war
>>61424825The M48 is totally different. And anyway the same can be said about the M46 and the M26.
>>61411239Keep learning anon, you'll find out that Russia was an arrogant mangerial state over the rest of the USSR and Warsaw pact that was capable. Soviet achievements were the works of Eastern Europeans as Moscow credited itself.
>>61415440This is a propaganda talking point, nothing more. Some of this only technically happened during a short time of "korenizatsiya" policy, where the bolshevik rule wasn't as cemented in yet (because surprise-surprise bolshevik shit was brought to them with russian bayonets), so they wanted to gain some local support and did some basic shit. Since early 30s even this shit got cancelled and instead repressions on the local intelligentsia got put into overdrive. Afterwards "local languages" were a token PR point in USSR, nothing more, an uga-booga type of crap to point fingers to for foreign guests about how multi-culturalism works in USSR, while everything was russified to hell and back.
>>61422048Soviet military first aid kits (the yellow/orange plastic ones) were used by teens as a source of drugs, getting their mind high off the medicine form there, since a ton of those expired first aid kits got thrown out literally in the trash by thousands.
>>61424825>M47 is a derivative of the m46And T-90 is a derivative of T-72. What's your point?
>>61410293The ZTZ-99 has paper for armour
>>61411330QRD: all of this is ukrainian historical revisionism>holodomorDidn’t happen, but there was a famine that affected belarus, kazakhstan, russia and ukraine>executed renaissanceagain, never happened. What did happen, though, were soviet-wide purges that didn’t target ukrainians in particular. For example, people like gumilev were killed in russia but russian lit didn’t die >eradication of ukro languagesThe USSR created a standardized ukrainian language out of the spectrum of Russian-Polish surzhyks that existed before then. It did its best to force people in Ukraine to learn Ukrainian even if they were, say, russians living in Donetsk.
>>61411364Not yet, comrade. Not yet.
>>61423489>wearing a sabre Gigabased
>>61426100>t. Full on Marxist-Leninnist coolaid drinker
>>61426100>Ukraine didn't have plants before the soviet union, but built plants during the USSR>conclusion: USSR built plants to Ukraine. What is a technical progress?>Ukraine was the main food producer during its history, but suffered from several heavy famines during the USSR>conclusion: Ukrainian famines is a natural disaster. What is a general plan?Dialectics is strong in this comrade.>there was a famine that affected belarus, kazakhstan, russia and ukraine>soviet-wide purgesSo Ukrainians are right?
>>61426100Literally, and I cannot stress this point enough, literally, kill yourself. You communist cuck cunt.
>>61428061this gentleman is an Austrian Hussar, a cavalry officer.On this photo you can witness the transition from the napoleonic era into the modern age: He changed his horse for a tank. Strictly speaking for myself, i do believe that Sabers should be mandatory for all modern "cavalry", no matter if they ride helicopters or armored vehicles.
>>61426100Remember when time of reckoning comes, people like you will be hanged on lampposts
>>61410231Are these T-80U, not UD or something else?
>>61426100fuck off tard.russia got fucked for food because its idea for agriculture was retarded serfdom slave labor where they let you keep a bit of food and in turn you worked to death and never left and rarely ever got paid in anything but that pittance of food allowed you.that continued up until the 70's, where they decided to finally change things because farmers were so depressed they weren't fucking and giving birth, so their numbers were plummeted.Then things got WORSE as a result because so many of those farmers, finally getting the chance to LEAVE their shitty little slavefarm... LEFT for the cities.In other words, they treated their farm labor as disposable mobiks to be kept in line and working, the same way they do their usual armed forces.
>>61429517>i do believe that Sabers should be mandatory for all modern "cavalry", no matter if they ride helicopters or armored vehicles.I disagree.Airborne cavalry should have lances, not sabres.
>>61424658China should have been a dumping ground of Axis weapons. Forget Chang Kai Shek just load up the Chinese people with weapons so dictatorship cant exploit them.
>>61411239>Kharkov>Ukrainei know this is a tranny sub but cmon>>61425123This is one of the stupidest posts I've read.Russians sacrificed a lot to keep the union by pleasing ungrateful minorities who back then and now in EU times only know about GIBS ME DAT and nothing else.Look at where Russia is today and where these ungrateful retards are. Not hard to understand who was the innovator and who kept the whole thing running and who was GIBS ME DAT.
>>61430377>Look at where Russia is today and where these ungrateful retards are.I'm sure there's a comparison between Karelias too.
>>61430377oh look what I found
>>61430377I wish my country was based and trad((((((((((((((((((
>>61430387Just look Vyboyg (Viipuri) on street view for a bit and you will see
>>61430417>Ukraine falling off after 2014>Belarus risingZozzle
>>61430387>>61430400>>61430417anon casually just ATACMSing the other faggot's S400 of a post
>>61430377Why do so many russians want to be oppressed in evil Wect?
>>61425756China invented paper. Their paper is thousands of years ahead of ours, more than enough to stop flaccid Western KEPs.
>>61430496IMPRESSIVE
>>61411336Nope, Russians are the ultimate cucks.
>>61429876exhausts Indicate UDs. the Gasturbine has a narrower one
>>61430377>Look at where Russia is today and where these ungrateful retards are.They have significantly better standards of living than they did before?
>>61430014Aircav should have javelins - similar effect, but better range.
>>61430377I did a great job with this post
>>61430387>>61430427Looking at Vyborg’s current state is one of those things that make a grown up Finnish man silently shed some tears. The worst part isn’t even losing it, but seeing what it has became.
>>61426100>>By 2009, Holodomor denial was a matter of Russian government policy and the subject of its disinformation operations
>>61430377>sub
>>61430377>Russians sacrificed a lot to keep the union by pleasing ungrateful minorities who back then and now in EU times only know about GIBS ME DAT and nothing else.Fear Russian do gooders.Fun fact: all euro counties that escaped communism live better than countries who got Russian gibs. Really maekes you think...P.S. Nobody asked for your gibs everybody asked for you to GTFO.
>>61426100>but there was a famine that affected belarus, kazakhstan, russia and ukraine>call food confiscation famine
>>61433483All GIBS ME THAT countries that got emancipated by the Russians today are depopulated and deindustrialized beggars with anger management issues.Meanwhile Russia is back in the Top 3 most geopolitically influential countries, improved massively after the 90s societal collapse, outmanufacture the whole west alone and are a leading power in missile technology and military innovation. These are just facts that if you try to argue will only look like a barking chihuahua
>>61433617russia is currently getting completely shit on by it's poor ass panhandling neighbor.that's just a fact that you can't argue.you can only probably argue that russia might survive this war, but at this point it's just wishful thinking.
>>61433632>russia is currently getting completely shit on by it's poor ass panhandling neighbor.Even if you wanted to make an argument for this you couldn't because it's so out of touch with reality.>you can only probably argue that russia might survive this war,Survive? Russia literally changed the geopolitical balance in the world and today the US is significantly less influential worldwide while Russia is only increasing its influence and the Chinks are also benefiting by proxy.Russia's population grew by at least 6-7 million people and the chance for a colorful revolution is basically zero currently.
>>61433705Also Russia has 1000+ volunteers signing up for the army every day.They are not kidnapping men from the streets.It's obvious which side has the momentum, high spirit, and most importantly - firepower superiority. Americans are not saying that its 5:1 artillery in Russia's favor.
>>61410905delusional
>>61430377>tranny subWrong, /pol/troon. Go back.
>>61433775Strange how it was 13:1 at the start of the war.
>>61433796It was but the ghost of kyiv reduced it to 3:1
>>61433793im actually a /sp/chad and this thread was on the frontpage so clicked on it
>>61433803Did the ghost of kyiv also hide all the t80u's and t90s? Seems kind of OP he can just force Russia to fight with 1950s tech.
>>61433817Isn't T-72 the best tank in the world and beating high tech NATO stuff like Leopards and Abraps with ease
>>61433705>>61433775This is the most unhinged copium I've ever seen lol. Even China is saying that Russia is losing.
>>61423673No, Khrushchev has nothing to do with it initially. Abolishment of gulags started shortly after Stalin death even before Khrushchev was in full power, initiated by MVD and approved on most levels of soviet goverment. Because even by standarts of shitty soviet society it was way overboard with cruelty and harsh conditions. Also> Gulag did nothing wrongIs common argument right now in puccian society, which make you think that those animals are actually devolving into something even worser than soviet scum
>>61433775Yep. /k/ ignores the fact the ukraine is running out of men.
>>61411436go jump off the roof, wumao. That's not an accomplishment.
>>61434065Source: Solovyov saids so on his show
>>61434306Nothing here but us trees.
>>61434306I think these kind of posts are funny, it is like they are transported here from the past and give us a good example of what bullshit we had to hear from vatniks and russboos.
>>61434306How can such a small drone cause this.
>>61434334The same way a 'small' RPG can do the exact same thing. Shaped charges are pretty amazing.
>>61413145if Ukrainians were the brain power of the USSR, why were the best universities in Russian cities? Why did post-soviet Ukrainian industry die out while Russian industry continued to succeed? Why were the most important design bureaus led by and named after Russians such as Antonov, Morozov and Malyshev?>>61424593>>61425123see above
>>61433973French military said Ukraine takes 35k casualties a month while being able to replace less than half of that. Ziggers are clearly killing somebody. Lot more dumb Russians than there are brave Ukrainians realistically. Normal people don’t want to die even if they get to take 5 Russians with them.
>>61428579>>there was a famine that affected belarus, kazakhstan, russia and ukraine>>soviet-wide purges>So Ukrainians are right?No. The essence of the "holodomor" claim is that it was a genocide targeted against ukrainians. we know this is BS because:1. it wasn't localized to ukraine, in fact the majority of deaths weren't in ukraine2. the famine ended in 1933. do you think the soviets started a genocide just to give up for no reason 3 years into it?The essence of the "executed renaissance" is that the ussr killed a bunch of people to kill off ukrainian culture or whatever. in reality, people were killed for being reactionary retards. many people were taken down, but a far greater number lived, and it wasn't targeted against ukraine as the hohols would have you believe. in fact, you can be quite sure that most people killed were russian intellectuals, yet nobody accuses the ussr of genociding russian culture or whatever
>>61433973meanwhile america says that russia is winning
>>61423589Never gets old.
>>61434496>most important design bureaus led by and named after Russians such as Antonov, Morozov and Malyshev?>Antonov, Morozov and Malyshev?>russianCan't even tell who you're targeting with that, bravo.
>>61434567>yet nobody accuses the ussr of genociding russian culture or whateverThey do, actually. It's a well known fact the soviets massacred the intelligentsia and it's a big reason why they're such a shithole today.
>>61435981total Poland B death
>>61433617>Geopolitically influencialLol no.
>>61436229>and you people are cheering on this meaningless slaughter.Welcome to 4chan, brown newfaggot
>>61436229Ok
>>61436235Silly anon, is passive anti-infantry weapon.When enemy soldier fires AT-4 into tank, turns rocks into shrapnel and shreds the infantry back.If tank cooks off, also acts as punishment for cowardly crew attempting to flee.
>>61436229Oh the guy who says Elgin airforce base in every comment.
I prefer Soviet tank concept over the Western one, but in what fucking universe Russian tank will "see first"Twitteroids are braindead
>>61436243No, I rarely post here, as the takes are so bad that I probably lose braincells on every post I read on this reddit tier shithole.
Mad and seething every time he's breathing.
>>61433973this is one of the dumbest replies i have received>>61436226So Russia isn't now more influential in the Middle East and Africa?America hasn't lost influence around the world?This sub is actually insane
>>61436295>>61436376you don't have any brain cells to begin with twitter retard
>>61436509Never had twitter, try again you fucking tranny.This shithole has become some lower form of reddit, which was asssumed to be the bottom of the pit, but that's actually modern day /k/The only habitual users of this board are reddithomos, glowniggers, boomer fudds and the lobotomized.
>>61436526Damn, this indian learned 1 (one) token of this board's lingo, truly a longstanding member of this community and an interested party in its welfare.
>>61434496>while Russian industry continued to succeedidk anon, this doesn't look particularly successful to me
>>61436376Russians have a couple PMC guys in africa. Wow you managed to destabilize fucking Sudan. The multipolar world is here xaxaxaxa.Russia has taken some parts of Ukraine they can’t really use for anything whereas NATO has expanded greatly and support for it and america has skyrocketed anywhere not filled with brown turdies
>>61436574Russia directly causing the actual expansion of NATO while taking actions they justified as necessary to prevent the expansion of NATO, which wasn't actually at risk of happening previously, may be the funniest shit ever.
>>61436376Russia is not more influential in the Middle East at all retard. Saudi, Qatar, Jordan, Israel, UAE are all firmly in the US camp. Nobody fucking cares about failed African states.Russia is a global laughing stock. Get used to it.
>>61436580Yeah but bro they managed to get security and mining companies in Africa!(Ignore the fact that German, British and other European countries have been there for decades).Turdies are so desperate for the age of the Americans to end that they’ll treat any little thing as the “end of the monopolar world!!”.They can’t face the fact that pretty much everyone who matters loves america so they seethe in their dirt huts and dream about how Lesotho will return to their former glory if they’re just saved by China or Russia
>>61436602what is it about america that makes them seethe so hard?(besides unjustified wars in the middle east and cultural export of trannies and feminism)
>>61436634Go back.
>>61436617Jealousy. They know their time has come and gone. Maybe they had an empire in the 1200s but now all they are is a resource node for the big boys to use. They know they have no future so they convince themselves america doesn’t either. They’ve been talking about how america will collapse due to its decadent ways and filthy capitalism for decades now and in that time most the countries complaining have had at least one coup, revolt, famine or collapse of government
>>61436574>>61436580>>61436596i see the same comments on r/worldnews
>>61436652>r/worldnewsGhislaine Maxwell's subreddit, now that's definitely not Eglin airbase glowniggers.
>>61436652>commie zigger admits to being a redditor to own le /k/operslol
>>61436657so /k/ is a glownigger sub as well?
>>61436683>subClearly, as you are a retarded transplant.It's called board on 4chins, write that down in your notes, pvt shartinez.
>>61436634Jesus, I read through your posts, and you're so ridiculously full of shit I don't know how to put it into words. With retards like you around, the jews and the commies don't even have to try. You just do their dirty deeds for them.The most absurd thing about you useful idiots though, is the fact that none of you actually support the real russia. You have to lie to the point of satire to even support that stinking shithole, by replacing it with a fantasy version. I mean, either you're a shill, or you're such a monstrously stupid retard that you're actually just a victim of russia's dumbfuck propaganda. I mean, you talk about russia the way lefties talks about George Floyd. You just make up your own shit, because the real thing is beyond degenerate and pathetic, and would make your whole case fall apart.
>>61436652>>61436683You are incredibly stupid. Please go back to seething at r/worldnews, discussions on /k/ are too mentally advanced for you.
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>>61436634>Political correctnessFuck man, I didn't know it was PC to prefer the people defending their country over the people trying to conquer it.The woke mob really has gone too far, trying to cancel Russia.
>>61436718Come on, post some pics from late 90's and early 00's to prove what a shithole it is.Meanwhile you have open air drug markets in all your major cities.
>>61436734Well, you faggots cheer for everything the MSM pushes, I'd say that's pretty fucking politically correct.When you agree with "current thing" and everything unpopular pushed from the top, you're either very PC, or you are actual glowing people of dark complexion.The ukrainian people aren't defendig thmeselves, if they were trying to conserve anything of value, they would have followed the Minsk agreements, that would have prevented the war. They are now forcibly being dragged to the trenches to fight for the economic interests of american boomers and blackrock.>muh democratic vlauesLol, fuck off, they have even banned elections, coke clown is in fact a dictator now.
>>61421898>T-72 is worse measured against its later Western contemporaries than T-62oh look, new criteria brought it at the last second to redeem OP's initial boast.
>subhuman runs out of arguments >defaults back to muh Minsk Funny because this whole thing is a result of Russia violating Budapest Memorandum>The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.>The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.>The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the Principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.UK not siding with Germans against Soviets was a mistake
>>61436838All that shit went out the window when you fucknuts ran a fucking coup d'etat in Ukraine in 2014.>UK not siding with Germans against Soviets was a mistakeNo shit, if anglos weren't shabbos goyim putting the interest of their jewish investors over the best interests of the people, burgers would have no say in European politics.Unfortunately, jews bought churchill and his seat, so that went out of the fucking window before it could ever be a thing.Now the bolsheviks are in power in most of the west, and Putin is currently the only one with the balls to actually stand up against this shit.
>>61433617Literally every single one of them has larger populations AND higher standards of living.You're fooling exactly nobody - and it's because you are a brownoid thirdie subhuman. You simply do not have the capacity to fool us, you don't have the requisite intelligence.
>>61436982>putin>literally a judeo-bolshevik operative who rants about nazis and wants ussr back >standing up against bolsheviks We should send your whole fucking species to death camps
>>61436982You do know that they've had multiple elections after that, right? Even if it was a 'colour revolution' or whatever the fuck you want to label it, it's been elections since. It's not like a guy was was installed, or stayed there indefinitely.
>>61437020>judeo-bolshevikYeah, the guy openly supporting Syria and Iran is a jew, holy shit you are fucking retarded.Also, he's the one person on this planet openly talking about the role jews played in murdering millions in the soviet union.>multiple electionsOh?https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-birthday-grenade-b1b82e4f84eb5a39286d1500cf49fcd1How are the current hohol elections going?Oh, there is none.
>>61437064>Invade country that has constitution stipulating no elections during wartime>They can't hold elections without breaking their own laws>"dude look they're not hosting elections"Retard.
>>61436742>Come on, post some pics from late 90's and early 00's to prove what a shithole it is.What, do you mean, Russia? Even if you're a completely brainwashed retard, you'd know what a complete shithole Russia was in the late 90s and early 2000s. Hell, that's one of the reasons Putin managed to gain power, after that drunken clown Yeltsin drank his way through the 90s and sold russia to jews and former communist leaders. Of course, Putin lied about dealing with the oligarchs and just made a deal with them, then increased the number of jewish oligarchs by handing over russia's remaining industry and natural resources to them.>Meanwhile you have open air drug markets in all your major cities.I'm not American, you disgusting commie nigger. And if you're talking about drug abuse, russia's usually in the top 3. Russia is either equal to or worse than most african shitholes when it comes to drug abuse, alcoholism, divorce, murder, rape, aids rates, domestic abuse and so on.
>>61437064>Putin was served in the bastion of the Soviet Judeo-bolshevism, idolizes the USSR, the homeland of Judeo-bolshevism, and calls all of his opponents nazis>nooooo guis he totally isn't a judeo-bolshevik
>>61422026>Also funny how the moment le prison of nations collapsed hohols stopped doing any of this lmao.I mean Russia stopped doing anything as well
>>61410886Actually they do that too.
>>61436982>Coup>The party was still in power, its just the leader changedYou think they're electing a leading dictator kek? They elected a party, it's just the leader fled to Russia like a coward, the party is still in Ukraine.
>>61434334>>61434323>>61434327>>61434472Since the mods can't understand a jokehttps://twitter.com/Teoyaomiquu/status/1780627184979218896
>>61411523Pretty accurate, but it bears mentioning that this:>> A bit later gulag system collapsesis somewhat misleading. The usage of labor camps continued in the USSR up until the end and, i suspect, beyond it too. What happened was they were severely downsized in favor of traditional prisons and interning political dissidents in insane asylums. Those that remained were removed from the control; of the KGB and transferred to other agencies, where they would use the convict labor for their own projects. It's definitely true that the ukies were largely responsible for these changes as they tended to be the most riotous of all the nationalities in the Gulag system at the time, as well as the extensive experience many had as partisans or soldiers during WWII and the aftermath enabling to do a lot more than others could, but they didn't really manage to kill it off entirely.
>>61435989WRD: yes, they're russian>Oleg AntonovRussianhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Antonov_(aircraft_designer)>Vyacheslav MalyshevRussianhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Malyshev>Aleksandr MorozovRussianhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Morozov_(engineer)>>61436085no person from russia says this"massacring the intelligentsia" isn't a genocide and left useful people (STEM GODs, artists whose work actually mattered, etc) as a whole basically untouched
>>61439582*QRD
>>61436986>Literally every single one of them has larger populationsOnly a gypsy can lie like this without shame >AND higher standards of living.salaries increase when population halves lmaoGIBS ME THAT kek
>>61438248nah russia still has a massive MIC that exported a lot before 2022 (unlike ukraine's MIC, whose crowning achievement is selling 50 tanks), an aircraft building industry, a major nuclear power plant export industry, a rocket industry, a tech industry (ex. yandex), etc
>>61439582>no person from russia says thisYes, Russians are famous for honesty and not having a culture that is built entirely around lying, even when the person you are lying to knows that you are lying and knows that you know that he knows that you know that he knows you are lying>STEM GODs.Which is why Soviet computer tech didn't lag behind the western one, they didn't try to breed humans with chimps because lel genetics is capitalist propaganda. etc.
So, what blew up in Russia today?
>>61439675Ukraine's hopes and dreams
>>61411523>They even build erzats tank and their own radio freequency while being INSIDE gulagWait what? Where can I find more info on this?
>>61439664>if russia didn't kill some poets then it would have invented quantum computers by nowpeak mental retardation or whatever the politi/k/ally /k/orre/k/t term is these days. you may as well claim that the usa would have gotten the first man to space if it didn't kill a bunch of native americans
>>61433617>outmanufacture the whole west alonePlease give a source for this absolutely outrageous lie. Russia isn't even top 10 in manufacturing output. Italy outproduces Russia.
>>61439683You can cope better than that lol
>>61439836manufacturing output of what? measured how?for example, if you measure by the cost of produced goods, a bugatti veyron is worth roughly twice as much as a bmp-3. however, it's much less useful in combat
>>61439867If you are speaking purely in terms of production of military equipment, please state that. You are still very, very wrong, but not quite as wrong. Be specific and provide a source so I know how to make fun of you more accurately.
Talking about about Russia's industrial might, how many T-14s they were supposed to have by now? Like 2 or 3k? How many they actually have>enough for a small handful to show up for a parade once per year
>>61439895I (>>61439867) am not >>61433617
>>61436786Due to various design flaws as a base platform the T-72 is a evolutionary dead end compared to the T-62 which was designed for future updates. The T-62 can evolve (like the Merkava series which started out as a backwards Centurion) but the T-72 can only go so far due to the fundamental flaws in its basic design..If the USSR had put half the effort into incremental development of the T-62 as the DPRK has then their armored forces might actually be competitive. If they rationalized their tank designs we would not be living in a world where in year 113 a Type 216 is a equivalent or superior threat compared to a T-80 or T-90 not mentioning overwhelming dominance of basic bitch T-72s..
>>61411316The thatched roof really ties the whole design together.
>>61430377>Kharkov>UkraineDo you have problems in relationships with reality?
>>61437067>LOOK CHUD, IT'S THEIR RULES TO BE A DICTATORSHIP, OK? SO THEY'RE JUST FOLLOWING THE RULES
>>61441838>Russian shill justifies a invasion because they lack free and fair democratic elections We are living in the Juche timeline and it's great.
>>61423646it has smokes and an LWR which are forms of active protection
>>61441929Putin was most likely legitimately voted for. He's probably the single most popular living guy in the world today.
>>61442221Putin's popularity is a joke, he only had 90% of the vote not 150%. He doesn't have the people behind him, he will fail..
>>61441662>like the Merkava series which started out as a backwards Centurionthats falsethe merk was a clean sheet design
>>61441929There's also the simple fact that their leader is popular enough that even if they could hold an election right now, he'd probably win. Any electoral threat at the moment would come from someone more gung-ho into defending Ukraine's territory, not less.To say nothing of the fact that an election would have countless issues that would challenge its legitimacy anyway. There's numerous Ukrainian citizens in occupied territory that wouldn't be able to vote, likely not even approaching a complete documenting of who's displaced and still able to versus who's dead and not, opportunity for Russia to cause chaos within the process and numerous incredibly tempting targets for a country that has shown itself more than willing to engage in terror bombing against completely civilian targets of no military value.It's the most absolute pathetic attempted one-up from people shilling for a country with only the faintest pretences of democracy.
>>61442221>Putin was most likely legitimately voted for.It's not legitimate voting when no real opposition, pro-war or anti-war, was allowed to get on ballot
>>61443996Honestly I'm not sure that even if there was opposition on the ballot that there was any danger of him losing, but simply having opposition on the ballot isn't the only ingredient in a free and fair democracy. He's spent decades centralising control of politics, culture, the press and every other institution he or his buddies can get their hands on.
>>61444008That's the point. Despite controlling all internal media, despite controlling counting of ballots, he still was afraid to allow any opposition. Just look at voting outside Russia, when faking it is harder, Putin was 3rd place after two controlled opposition candidates
>>61439637Baltics contributed to USSR budget much more than they received in return, but of course your tankie reddit would never mention that. Also do not look up real population growth in Russia, it would be in far deeper shit without importing millions of brownoids from Tajikistan.
>>61426100>holodomor wasn't realMy great grand parents would have beat the ever living shit out of you for saying this. They grew up 4 miles from Ukraine in Russia near where those Russian Volunteer battalions keep doing raids into Russia. They 100% went through that when they were 8-9 years old. I am not going to bother writing anymore since you are some faggot 5th columnist and will just dismiss whatever I say.
>>61444141>Baltics contributed to USSR budget much more than they received in return,Here is the thing in the planned economy monetary transactione don't show full picture because there is no market and prices and money doesn't reflect your ability to butly goods your desire.In RFSFR for example it was literally banned for Soviet citizens to build two story private detached houses and use certain materials (for example cover roof with tiles). In Baltics countries (and Caucasian region) citizens were allowed to build such private houses. And there were many such little freedoms that were allowed on the Soveits "West" as bribe for their citizens and make parts of Soviet empire more exposed for foreign observes look more presentable.Core USSR (RFSR) was whipped by communism regulations into total bugs state.
>>61439660>russia still has a massive MIC that exported a lot before 2022all of it being rebranded soviet hand-me-downs, lol
>>61439582>STEM GODs, artists whose work actually mattered, etc) as a whole basically untoucheddelusional communist subhuman
>>61411255the US isn't using those for frontal assualts under artillery fire in a desperate last ditch human wave attack to soak up the last of it's neighbour's military aid with human corpses
>>61426100Just over 2 years ago people like this were telling you to watch The Greatest Story Never Told btw.
>>61444492Sorry I meant Europa the last battle.
>>61444141>Baltics contributedGIBS ME THAT can't contribute also what happened here>>61436986>>61439637shameless gypsy lying
>>61445279>GIBS ME THAT can't contributeSure thing, now post hand
>>61436742>Meanwhile you have open air drug markets in all your major cities.This is what Indians believe.
>>61445406>the soviet propagandastopped reading right hereyou already made a population claim that I proved to be wrong and you shamelessly continue to lie like a gypsy
