why did russia fall behind in air defense development compared to other countries?
no budget, they are still back in the 80's/90's technology wise, air defense in the west was shit too back then
>>61448740Jesus Christ can you imagine how much of a turkeyshoot the US up against Russia would be
>>61448783i mean theyre trying to be an arms exporter i would guess theyd want to invest in the field
>>61448819They're not though. They're trying to offload their Soviet stockpiles. Keeping them in working or ready reserve capability is expensive, and with the US pivoting to China, they don't have any good reason to do so. People don't tend to associate Russia as a petrostate, but their economy is as dependent on oil as the middle east. Notice how unfathomably asspained they get when the eternal smooooker visits a refinery?
>>61448740Ten years of abject poverty, twenty years of omnipresent corruption.
corruption endemic to the state+ cultural holdover from the soviet union (lying mostly)
>>61448819Their shit is good enough for arabs and other thirdies.You don't need to be the best in the field, you just need to find your niche.Unless you also want to pretend to be a superpower on par with the US, then it's just embarrassing.
>>61448740>properly spaced out and protected SAM sitewhy can't russia?
>>61448740They were banking on their reputation for quality AD being enough to deter enemy airborne threats
Because they are not a country but a territory ran by an organized crime group.
>>61448740so was this a missile or drone strike?
>>61448819They were an exporter because they flooded the market with cheap comblock surplus and thirdies ate it up, not because their shit was any good
>>61452620from NYT: >It was unclear what sort of weapon struck the Iranian air defense system. Three Western and two Iranian officials confirmed on Friday that Israel had deployed aerial drones and at least one missile fired from a warplane. Previously, Iranian officials said the attack on the military base had been conducted by small drones, most likely launched from inside Iranian territory.>A missile, two Western officials said, was fired from a warplane far from Israeli or Iranian airspace and included technology that enabled it to evade Iran’s radar defenses. Neither the missile nor the aircraft that fired it entered Jordanian airspace, the Western officials said, a gesture meant to keep the kingdom out of the conflict after it helped shoot down Iranian weapons last week.any ideas on what the missile could be? or what purpose the drones served?
>>61448740looks like a token hit on a radar to menow both parties can tell their domestic audiences>we retaliated!!and we can de-escalate
>>61452620most missiles these days are drones
>>61452776Are you a phone poster? Is that why you don't bother with Capital letters.
>>61452776>and we can de-escalateThey will continue to stir up shit for decades via their proxies and glowies
>>61448740Its incredibly expensive stuff to develop and produce
>>61448740Poland and Ukraine were the "brains" of Soviet Union weapons development. Russians are literal retards. They just aren't smart enough.
>>61453140Don't forget about East Germany!
Which other countries is Russia “fall behind” in this area? The US? Which other countries puts out better AD?
>>61453121no, I'm just lazyI also don't bother with punctuation unless it's necessary for ease of reading>>61453127yes, but the point is a direct exchange is avertedsimilar to how the USA and USSR preferred to wage proxy war but never actually shot at each other, Cuban Crisis excepted
>>61453140Weird how Ukrainian’s tech and industry mostly evaporated instantly after the USSR fell but Russia managed to maintain much of the most important of theirs. It’s also super-strange that Russia so massively out-competes with Ukraine in this area today as well. I go onto Dvach and Ukrainians are seen as subhuman retards who cargo-cult everything in a laughable pantomime of civilized advanced countries, but I come onto here and the Ukrainians ran all the high tech of the USSR. Striking divergence of viewpoints.
>>61453169>Russia projects onto all their neighbours as subhuman lessers to prop up their own self image as a wannabe superpowerWow, fucking shocking
>>61453169>I go onto DvachBelgrade will be rubble.
>>61453169I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the former CCCP party bosses squirreled away all of their wealth in the security of their Moscow-area villas during the collapse and used that to their advantage a few years later.Meanwhile the former republics (not just Ukraine) withered away
>>61453169>Weird how Ukrainian’s tech and industry mostly evaporated instantly after the USSR fell but Russia managed to maintain much of the most important of theirs- russians have infinite free oil money to subsidize shit;- ukies were under de-facto military and industrial embargo from the west prior to 2022;- russian glowies did a number on ukies;
>>61448791>Jesus Christ can you imagine how much of a turkeyshoot the US up against Russia would belmfao, then what happened with Yemen?when does the pool open?
>>61453412>russian glowies did a number on ukieshah yah, fucking vatniks^
>>61453169Russia is 3rd world oil state like Saudi Arabia, and shows same patterns of incompetence.
>>61453489when will they hit a plane or warship or anything other than an unarmed civilian ship or decades-old drone?
>>61453169Because post-soviet Russian developed systems are doing so well...oh waitEvery weapon in the Soviet arsenal worth two shits was developed in Ukraine or Poland. Russians are Asiatic retards
>>61453546>yemen hasnt even hit anything yet, but the mere threat of them doing so has chased a 50+ship nuclear carrier flotilla out of the red-sea, and has obliterated 80% of the year-over-year container-max shipping volume through the straightlol, lmfao, good question though, I wonder what will happen when they actually start hitting shit
>>61453565>the mere threat of them doing so has chased a 50+ship nuclear carrier flotilla out of the red-seaAnd other delusions /pol/estinians have
>>61453572pale shitstains deserved worse. jewrael is too merciful
>>61453572so where is the carrier group?where did the containter ship volume go?>16% of 2023?lmfao, what happened?
>>61448740Gotta embezzle that money, anon. Putin wouldn't stay in power without it.
>>61449262This.
>>61448740>why did russia fall behind in air defense development compared to other countries? it's a mystery
>>61452620look at the damage.do you think a ~1,000lb warhead of a ballistic missile would destroy so little?
>>61453169>Russia managed to maintain much of the most important of theirsDid they though, or did they loose all their electronics manufacturing base and become entirely reliant on western imports for their MIC?Lets have a moment of silence for the T-14.
>>61453169look at this nigger. Communism destroyed both countries, they were so poor back then they couldn't afford to pay even government employees. Ukraine had to sell almost everything to save their country, meanwhile Russia has massive oil and gas money to prop up their shithole, but even that wasn't enough
>>61453562QRD: you’re a retarded hohol> was developed in UkraineBy Russian engineers like Antonov> or PolandPoland wasn’t even in the ussr. And poland made… a few types of small arms, and one light helicopter, which was designed in… russia.
>>61453412> russians have infinite free oil money to subsidize shitYet this money goes to russian firms rather than the ukrainian ones that supposedly designed all russian military equipment > ukies were under de-facto military and industrial embargo from the west prior to 2022;So was Russia. the RF has never exported arms to the west afaik > russian glowies did a number on ukies;How so? Did they assassinate ukrainian engineers or something?>>61453201Terrible guess>>61453190Dvach is right though>>61459245Russia gets electronics from china doe>>61453562Asians have higher iqs than hohols and psheks thoughbeit
>>61459366>Yet this money goes to russian firms rather than the ukrainian ones that supposedly designed all russian military equipmenti'm sorry what? lmao where do you think those money should go? charity?
>>61448740it did?like literally days ago USA, UK, France and Israel TOGETHER couldn't stop 100 shitty iranian rockets.some time ago it took 48 hours for US to "find" an autopiloted F-35 on a crash course inside their own territory.So, who are those countries that are so very much ahead of Russia and deal with dozens of rockets and hundreds of drones on a daily basis? I don't see them.
>>61459398Hypothetically, if ukrainian firms did design all the important militaty tech in russia, then russia would have had to fund them to have them produce and upgrade the RuAF while ukraine and russia were on good terms. However, this didn’t happen because hohols didn’t make that much stuff and most of the important firms (and the top universities supplying them with engineers) were in russia
>>61459408shhh, we pretend that Iran is a powerhouse in rocketry. 99% interception and all that jazz.they didn't hit anything important too, just some military bases.
>>61459415nononon, ukraine and poland did so much military tech in soviet times that they need to import every western system possible these days instead of producing their own brilliant stuff. from small arms to planes and tanks. importing old russian AA rockets from the entire ex-eastern block because they can't produce a single one on their own. genius!
>>61459415>>61459492read your own fucking post again and stop samefagging>russian money>fund ukrainedo you not see your idiotic logic not working out? how about you chop off your own legs and give Usain Bolt money because he can walk and run faster than you?
>>61459497use your own advice and get some brain transplantation. not from a retard donor this time.
>>61459512lmao refute my post
>>61459516(you)
>>61459532what? can't refute it? too bad samefagging couldn't save you from you own stupidity. now it's time to chop your legs
>>61448740>why did russia fall behind in air defense development compared to other countries?Russia has always been absolutely shit at electronics, chip manufacturing and had no role in digital computing or the silicone or transistor revolutions. Further Chinese quality assurance was based on established Russian methods or not having any.
>>61453492hi helmettard
>>61452620yes
>>61448740Corruption and brain drain
>>61460343>hes nooooooooooooooticing bright and early on a sunday
>>61459330communism literally created ukraine thoughbeit
>>61462281not really the forced famine is probably what turned it from just another regional russian dialect of poor farmers to a nationality tho
>>61462303More like the soviet efforts to standardize the ukrainian language, gift russian territories to ukraine and make the ukrainian language a mandatory subject even though everyone spoke russian anyway
>>61448740decades of corruption in which people in the military thought that they could just win all conflicts forever by sending waves of men to the front
>>61459366>Russia gets electronics from chinayet we haven't seen T-72B3 obr 2024s with Chinese optics replacing the ones destroyed in the Great Kyiv Fyint
>>61457041Putin should be Eric Andre in both panels.Decades of corruption should be the gun.
>>61452770>any ideas on what the missile could be?JASSM
>>61448740no electronics industry
