Would it be practical for Iran to build a supergun that could bombard Israel? Could the barrel life be sufficient to make it cheaper than liquid fueled rockets?
>>61450076It would be a gigantic waste of money and a massive, useless target
>>61450076No, and you've made this thread several times before with this image.
>>61450082Why would a disgusting zionist such as yourself care?
>>61450083>self appointed hall monitorNo wonder you are here obsessing over guns with fantasies of being a vigilante.
>>61450076Killing Gerald Bull is genuinely one of the worst things Israel ever didSuperguns never would have been viable for manned missions but if they worked we could have put so much hardened shit into space; satellites, supply shipments, space station frame components, etc.Fucking $200/kg to LEO in 1990, imagine
>>61450086I fucking hate the kikes and I think they should all be slaughtered but I'm not a complete retard who believes superguns are still viable.
>>61450110>I'm not a complete retard who believes superguns are still viable.Did you get your opinion from the History Channel?
>>61450125What makes you think they are viable? Why wouldn’t it just immediately be bombed before they even started to assemble it? I mean it’s a huge stationary soft target after all
>>61450129History Channel wants their opinion back.
>>61450110>>61450082Bull didn't care about weapons. He went to whoever would fund his crazy idea because he wanted to put shit in Europe.It's like how nobody actually gave a fuck about Von Braun being a Nazi
>>61450134Okay sure, the history channel and literally everyone else… again what makes you think to the contrary? I’m curious. I also think giant guns are cool but it seems like their time has come and gone
You mean like Iraq did? The answer to this scenario already exists.Iraq: we will shoot satellites into orbit for very cheap! It works! Let's sell this to other countries! Thank you Canadian engineers!USA/Israel: a super gun to attack Israel. We agree we must take the technology for ourselves. Oh Israel got there first? Oh all the engineers and scientists were armed and dangerous and there are no survivors. Well this is a mission failure. Israel: lol whatever you say American dogs, thanks for the help
>>61450159You cannot shoot a satellite into a stable orbit, and for Iraq to claim they were suddenly going into the satellite business was laughable.Also Israel was absolutely vindicated in their suspicions during Desert Storm when Iraq launched 42 scuds at Israel to try and provoke them into the war.
The American experiment was literally just two spare battleship guns welded together and immediately had success putting half ton objects over the Karman line for (compared to rockets) virtually no costIt's actually baffling that they looked at that initial success and went "Nah fuck it we're not gonna develop this any further, never going to do it again, and get the jews to kill anyone who takes a crack at it"
>>61450174And in reality the final proposed projectile for Project HARP was only designed to carry 200lbs of actual payload, and the necessity of fitting in the cannon required all payloads to be of a specific shape and hardened to withstand launch. It worked with a very narrow set of specifications for use that would ultimately relegate it to niche function.
>>61450174Because they wanted to use the satellites not destroy them.It wouldn’t have been able to fire anything fragile which made it pretty much useless.
>>61450147You are a kike zionist shill muh history channel gerard bull was stunning and brave
>>61450159>says something stupid>I tell him its stupid and why I think so>*crickets*Is it a bot? Low-effort posting?
>>61450424No just a thirdie
>>61450110Long range heavy guns invalidate modern missile based air defense. As has been debated, discussed, and proven here and elsewhere many times. It's even cheaper than modern missilery. The only way Iran would be able to feasibly hit good targets in kikeland though would be from third party groups in neighboring countries like Syria and Lebanon, as the feasible cheap range for accurate fire that is impossible or difficult to intercept with modern missilery is about 150 km max on propellants alone. Lots of recent developments have made older technologies viable and even more efficient again like big and small gun spam.Verification not required.
>>61450462With all due respect (because there's some disrespectful motherfuckers on this board anymore) your point still doesn't answer the "it will be instantly deleted by airstrikes" countera Project Babylon sized gun would be approximately 3x the size of pic related, and the war in Ukraine has shown it's actually a bit difficult to hide fucking 155mm tractors
>>61450540You can protect your guns with modern missilery AA, as stated it has gotten redundant to the point that barely anything gets through it now, except for the big AF guns (minimum bore of 8" can shoot a 1000lb+ projectile 150km fairly cheaply with modern ballistic and metallurgical understanding). The huge AF German guns (which were bigger than superguns actually, since they knocked out Soviet superguns and 30m reinforced concrete bunkers at range), were protected by AA in the battle sphere in the range of Soviet aircraft and were never knocked out. Obviously some Lebanese militias won't get good AA, but given the cheapness and ease of use and effectiveness of something like an 8" supergun, a country like Iran could make and send dozens in a year or less and transport them in semitrucks and moving vans in parts.
>>61450600That’s nice.Now how do you aim it?
>>61450076The closest points between the two countries is over 500 miles. How the fuck is an unboosted projectile supposed to fire that far? They'd need some Jules Verne sized cannon.
>>61450647Ever heard of artillery. Big guns are literally just big artillery. You could get some sandnogs with some drills, bolts, hoists and levers, and metal piping to make a basic chasis with pitch and yaw. Again, every single debate, discussion, and prove has already been beat out already here and elsewhere.
>>61450688> Ever heard of artilleryYes. Of course. Artillery can rotate and elevate.HARP could not rotate, but could elevate a little.Babylon could do neither.Big railway guns like >>61450540 could elevate, but can’t really rotate without laying down a section of track. Which is very, very slow.
>>61450768Again, I'm not simply talking about HARP or Babylon type guns or railway guns. With modern mettalurgy and ballistics you can build an 8" 150 km propellant only gun with an artillery chasis that is assembled on site after transport, easily and cheaply. If you want to greatly extend the range you can also do that as well but you have to ensure the strike package is less than 1% explosive charge to kinetic impact material, so that it will not blow up if intercepted by modern AA missilery. And on the longer range systems your barrel life will be greatly lowered. Other than that it is still cheaper and more effective that modern missilery in getting through modern AA nets, if you get within range. Iran already transport materials and people all over the middle east covertly, it can easily send a bunch of buildable and aimable guns to countries in range of kikeland.
>>61450076It's called a cannon, son. A cannon isn't going to change anything.
>>61450173The reason they launched them at Israel is because they were the only America aligned country within the SCUD's short range, Schlomo.
>>61450083CLEAN IT UP
>>61450076considering israel just showed they have the ability to strike anywhere accurately in iran that would be a massive and easy target. both immobile and extremely expensive
>>61450369Aren't things like BONUS and SMART packed with electronics?
>>61450174>virtually no costWell thank fuck huge ass barrels don't cost a thing and last forever.Also, post diameter and payload before you go full retard about this things capability of deploying satellites.
>>61450095get out, normalfag
>>61450076The real trick is to build a cheap mock up, pile on the air defense and bait Israel into trying to attack the fake. But then build a smaller mobile supergun. 180kg lifted to 180km, which means 100kg on target over half the planet.
>>61450095>i have no gunsget out.
>>61452797only enough to steer the shell onto the target, and developing those was a feat in itself, which is the main reason why only a handful of countries around the world manufacture guided artillery shellsuseful satellites are full of shit like hi-res cameras and particle sensors and fuck knows what else, I'm not surprised that the cost of developing versions of space payloads that can survive being fired out of a gun is actually more expensive than SpaceX
>>61453357>mossad detects and discerns both projects >IAF drops mock up bombs on the decoy gun >MEK destroys the real gun with quadcoptersIran keeps trying to bullshit a bullshitter
>>61451152Yeah well those scud missiles killed my grandma and her dog.
>>61453413Turns out the fake super gun was real and the fake bombs they dropped that cost real aircraft being shot down should have dropped real bombs.
>>61450110you lack aryan spirit
>>61450076Iraq tried building a supergun to target Israel and you know what they did?They just fucking bombed it before it was completed.Take a wild guess what would happen if Iran tried it.
>>61450108Dude pls. Falcon 9 first reusable stage launches 110 tons payload at 3000m/s. No gay gun can come even to toe size of these numbers.Stop being gay boomer, accept your techno prophet and his teaching.
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>>61450174>literally just two spare battleship guns welded togetherBattleship gun barrels have a life span of like 300 shots until they're scrap. Also, kind of Ironic that Battleships were made obsolete because of... Missiles
>>61450076>>61450174>>61453357MEIN FÜHRER, IS THAT YOU?
>>61450108It is physically impossible to bring something into Earth's orbit with a single push of acceleration. Not to mention whatever you're shooting is getting an insane amount of Gs so say goodbye to delicate scientific equipment
have you not seen all the long-range guns projects being cancelled left and right?ERCA. dead.SLRC. dead.railguns. deadanything past 20 miles, you'd be better off using missiles, unless we make some revolutionary breakthrough.
>>61455678This, at the speeds required go reach those distances the atmosphere begins acting similar to water. Hence why you basically have to use what is essentially a torpedo that goes through the air
We are witnessing a war in which airspace is contested with flying remotely operated weapons yet no one has fully embraced the robotic fortpill which was predicted way back in the 90's that it would require siege class artillery (that nobody has anymore) in order to be defeated. Any country with border disputes and no nuclear weapons should have been investing in modern fortification technology.>"The lack of very heavy artillery such as the siege weapons of World War I and II means that strongly constructed fortification will have to be reduced by air attacks. And this can be an advantage for a force which can provide adequate air defense over its fortifications. Hardened air defense in prepared fortifications which can reduce the accuracy of air attacks would reduce the need for air superiority by the defender.">"Obviously fortifications can not make up for surrendering the air completely to the enemy, but with fixed permanent fortifications, which employ available technology appropriately. it is possible to offset an attackers air force with hardened air defense sites. This must be possible or the Navy's aircraft carriers will not survive the next war.">"Modern technology can be used to enhance the ability of fortifications to allow economy of force. The use of forts as an economy of force measure can be made more effective by the use of robotics. With current sensor technology combined with robotics a small number of well protected technicians could defend relatively large defensive sectors. These type of fortifications would be limited only by cost."
>>61450076The only thing Super about iranians is their women as ling as you have a big enough dic/k/ to reach past those thick brown chee/k/s
>>61455664The prototypes being tested had a base bleed system that allowed for added acceleration, enabling escape velocity. There are also many items that could withstand the Gs, especially if they had non-Newtonian shock absorbers in the loading system.
>>61455678>>61455712A high BC heavy weight projectile traveling at supersonic velocity behaves differently from missiles and smaller weight projectiles, although the BC behavior of single energy burst projectiles can scale. You can easily shoot a 500kg long high BC shell 100 km with modern materials, and the velocity would not have to be increased very much from an old USN 16" gun. BC behavior can scale. Meaning an 8" gun projectile can remain supersonic for over twice (and even more than three times) the distance of a 16" projectile. A smaller scale example is a 7mm08 AI or 260 Rem AI having 2-3x the maximum supersonic range of a .308 win, and 1.5-2x the range of .308 AI. Smaller bore artillery is currently already able to shoot past 100km accurately, scale it up a little and find the ideal BC to weight ratio and you have guns that can lob 500kg torpedoes over 100km to supersonic impact and still have barrel life measured in hundreds of rounds fired. Something that modern missile nets and CIWS are not designed to deal with, because everyone developed missile AAs to the point that nothing is getting through for cost effective effect on target when using GMs now. Military acquisition research and selection is notoriously corrupt and retarded.
>>61450076You will be shot by Massad outside your hotel room door. >How quickly they forget
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>>61450136>It's like how nobody actually gave a fuck about Von Braun being a NaziOur Nazis were better than thier Nazis. Get over it
>>61450076>Would it be practical for Iran to build a supergun that could bombard Israel?no>>61450082>It would be a gigantic waste of money and a massive, uselessThis. It also has to be remembered that Irans biggest problem in the world is not Jews, Israel or frothing about Palestinians that are actually nothing to do with them. They sent weapons to Russia to kill Europeans for wanting to join the EU. So. Here's the deal, Russia will be disarmed and dispatched like a rabid animal and then Iran entire riling oligarchy will be hunted down and killed, including its little outposts in Damascus and its little social clubs in Lebanon. Should Iran build a fucking cannon? yeah. That will help with the almighty epic revenge its going to be facing. As with Russia I would be genuinely surprised if Iran in its current form exists in 15 years. Iranians don;t need to worry about building cannons or fucking Israel, they need to worry about a rearmed, militarized Europe coming looking for payback.
