https://www.reuters.com/world/south-korea-romania-pledge-defence-cooperation-amid-reports-contract-works-2024-04-23/>SEOUL, April 23 (Reuters) - South Korean and Romanian leaders pledged on Tuesday to boost defence industry cooperation as Seoul pushes to establish itself as the world's fourth-largest arms exporter amid reports of huge additional contracts in the works.>President Yoon Suk Yeol hosted his Romanian counterpart, Klaus Iohannis, for a summit and pledged to increase cooperation in the defence industry, including joint production of weapons, a statement said.>South Korea's defence minister Shin Won-sik separately hosted Poland's deputy defence minister, Pawel Bejda, amid reports of an impending contract for Hanwha Aerospace to supply additional weapons systems and negotiations over financing.>South Korea's major defence manufacturer, Hanwha Aerospace (012450.KS), opens new tab, is working on a deal worth 1 trillion won ($725.7 million) to supply K9 howitzer to Romania in what would be the first defence contract with that country, the Korea Economic Daily reported this year.>Last year the company signed a memorandum of understanding with Romania’s state-run defence company to export its K9 self-propelled howitzer and infantry fighting vehicle.>Poland, which has been ramping up defence spending, has agreed to buy $22 billion worth of weapons from South Korea in the country's largest ever arms sale.>On Tuesday, South Korea's Dong-a Ilbo newspaper reported, citing defence industry sources, that Poland would sign a contract this week for 70 additional Chunmoo rocket artillery units worth $1.6 billion to be supplied by Hanwha Aerospace.What makes its weaponry so attractive to the thirdies?
>>61482089Based. Samsung supremacy ftw.
>>61482089Based, love the K9
>>61482095Do other conglomerates like Hyundai/Kia do their part as well?
>>61482112>conglomerates*chaebol
>>61482089>a deal worth 1 trillion won ($725.7 million)Wtf is that? Dr. Evil was negotiating for the Romanian side?
>>61482131ZAIBATSU!
>>61482112Yes, K2 is manufactured by Hyundai Rotem which is its locomotive division. Also, Kia is producing K-151 which is its HMMWV analog.
>>61482089Cheap and in production so they get it fast compared to the lead times in european weaponry. You also can't use EU gibs to fund them so no reason to pay premium for European stuff.
SK makes good quality weapons systems. I hope that Japan can unfuck themselves, and lift their weapons export ban because they should also be in this business too. We need to phase out shitty slavshit weapons from the world once and for all.
>>61482284I'm fine with Turkshit and Koreaspam, if it means Soviet trash becomes an even greater indicator of ignominous poverty & exclusion.I won't say "Slavshit" because it would be good to see Ukies get contracts post bellum too. Apart from the T-84 Oplot (may it sleep forevermore) their stuff is the balance of simple & functional that Soviet trash is supposed to be.But the Great and Mighty Dragon of Heaven... how far will perfidious Chainah seep into the gaps...
>>61482326>TurkshitTurks have too much corruption, too little quality control, and they need more work. there's been huge problems with their 50 cal machine guns sent to Ukraine, and many of their firearms have quality control issues. They are positioned to be a good arms exporter but not yet. You unironically need more democracy and development to get higher quality, and Koreans are perfect for that. Ukraine is in the position to take the best from Soviet designs (namely missiles and rockets) and to improve upon them. I would like to see Turkey's M60 MBT program expanded though and to see if they could ship some to Ukraine for field testing.
>>61482162Still not as brutally elegant as M998 Humvee Perfection, but I'll accept that design.
>>61482337>rocketryKek how did I overlook that.I think you're right, and I'd bet they'll rise into the top tier of that.
>>61482358They're gonna ship out Neptunes for damn sure. And Russian output is going to decrease.
>>61482326>turkits all dogshit
>>61482391>Lol low quality baitCan you even read German without translator, they argee that worst Korea has much better marketing and that it will "hurt" the German arms industry. Which is totally retarded if you look up the stocks.So much for your cope fucking nigger I bet you are a Russian subhuman.
>>61482103Doesn't the K9 have a bong turret or am I imagining it?
>>61482391I hope they send some chonmoo to test on ziggoids like you.
>>61482491Yeah the whole M109 & AS90 to K9 to Krab family tree is big spaghet.
>>61482491You are thinking of the polish Krab, which is a K9 hull with a british turret (or at least some of them are)
>>61482486Seething wehraboo
>>61482512>WeHrAbOoAre u fucking retarded? If any high-ranking civil servant or business representative has butthurt , I would the first one laugh about it.But your method was just to pick out some random Twitter conversation, translate it completely wrong and add context just to have a cheap laugh about Germany. If you want to laugh about Germany, look at the politics.> Know stop derailing the thread nigger
>>61482391Top kek.>>61482486Absolutely seething.
>>61482630>t. Assblasted Prussian nigger.
>>61482337>You unironically need more democracy and development to get higher quality, and Koreans are perfect for that.SK is as authoritarian and corrupt as Turkey though, the only difference is that SK actually needs a functional army at all times.
>>61482391Maybe Krauts should've bought more of their own shit so the production numbers would increase and they would get cheaper for everyone.
>>61482955Have you seen their Hungarian "factory"?It's literally a shed, housing a half assed assembly station.And the fabled RHM manufacture doesn't shine a candle to Lima, Ohio.Skip to 4:40 https://youtu.be/HslqCTTShAQ?feature=shared
>>61483305*Hold a candle, fuck you ESL
If they're BUYING this means they'll have more to give Ukraine right? Typically a buying spree means they clear out all their old Soviet era material and give a small amount of new material as well.
>>61483646Give what, the Romanian stockpiles are hot garbage.
>>61483725Something is better than nothing. they can also send material to a third party to be repaired or upgraded before being sent to Ukraine. Ukraine needs quanitty more than anything. Romania already donated their stored T-72s to Ukraine, so anything else helps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Romanian_Armed_Forces#Stored_equipment
>>61482391>omg we’ll lose the entire romanian market for the weapons we’re producing in artisanal quantitiesHave you considered scaling up production? You know, so you can sell weapons to countries that want them without a decade long waitlist, especially with a fucking war happening in europe? It’s not some super advanced shit like f35 where states have no choice but to wait as there are no alternatives available.The older I get the more I realize US truly is the only western country that matters. What a fucking joke Europe has been since 2008
>>61482486I can read German without a translator. It says exactly what the anon says it does. It says little about marketing, only the fact that losing Romania as a client will hurt, which is obvious - you want every country in yurop buying your shit so they’re locked in, not shopping around half a world away, even if it’s smallish countries like Romania (but then so did Poland and they’ll spend a lot of money that should stay in EU, but won’t). I’m looking forward to seeing how I misunderstood the source, since you clearly seem to know more about the topic.
>>61483305Oh shit, it actually is the size of some small car shop.
>>61482089>What makes its weaponry so attractive to the thirdies?It's cheap and reasonably effective. Gookshit is just new age slavshit.
>>61483305>>61483315Thanks for the reminder poland bro.
>>61482089>What makes its weaponry so attractive to the thirdies?They are cheap shit that they can buy to meet NATO quotas without actually expecting to fight anything.>Three of the six K9 Thunder 155mm guns stationed on Yeonpyong returned fire, while two were damaged and one blocked by a dud shell.>Two South Korean soldiers were killed and five injured in an explosion inside a K-9 Thunder during artillery training Friday in Cheorwonhttps://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20170821000746
>>61482089Not just thirdies, the k9 has a 50% global market share on 155 sphhttps://armyrecognition.com/defense_news_february_2024_global_security_army_industry/hanwha_land_system_showcases_k9_self-propelled_howitzer_at_wds_2024.html#:~:text=Nicknamed%20%22Thunder%2C%22%20the%20K9,approximately%201%2C800%20units%20in%20service.
>>61488560>Egypt>Estonia>Finland>India>Norway>Poland>TurkeyIts literally just thirdies and countries that will never see legitimate conflict.
>>61488560>accounting for over 50% of the global market share of artillery SPH platforms, with approximately 1,800 units in serviceOver half of those are just in Korea and aren't actual exports. If we are merely talking about in service units as market share then that number isn't even accurate. The M109 has probably double that amount in service around the world and has double the exports.
>>61488727>4 frontline NATO countries>will never see legitimate conflict
>>61488560>>61488756Top 10 largest M109 users>US 514 A6 + 231 A7>Greece 51 A1 + 84 A2 + 273 A3 + 12 A5>Pakistan 200 A2 + 123 L + 115 A5>Egypt 164 A5 + 163 A2>Saudi Arabia 177 A6 + 48 A5 + 87 A2>Israel 250 A5>Taiwan 225 A2/A5>Jordan 199 A2>Iran 150 A1> Switzerland 133 KAWESTSo the top 10 operators of the M109 have 3,199 active M109s. There are still about 2 dozen operators that aren't listed and some of them still have 3 digit numbers, so how can the K9 have a 50% market share when your metric is in service vehicles. You could eliminate the US as an operator entirely and the M109 actively operating exports would outnumber the K9s entire production run and even future sales.Oh yeah I also left out South Korea with 1180 M109s which is more than the number of K9s they operate. The K9 doesn't even have a 50% marketshare in Korea let alone globally.>>61488776Wow watch out guys Russias about to invade NATO any moment. Retard.
>>61488727AustraliaFinlandNorwayEstonia (borderline firstie)You are an obvious brainlet retard with an agenda against firsties because you are a brownie thirdie
>>61488812See this brainlet>>61488560The US army source alone indicates the K9 has a 50% global market share in 155 sph, yeah a lot of these are in South Korea but ROK has more 155 sph than all of europe (east and west) combined, probably has more than the US as well
>>61488812https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/01/23/nato-countries-are-giving-ukraine-hundreds-of-their-old-howitzers-and-replacing-them-with-south-koreas-excellent-k-9/?sh=404510b123a6Lmfao
>>61488817>AustraliaWill never see a land war and if any chink ship enters artillery range there wont be any K9s left>FinlandOnly threat is Russia circa 2024AD>NorwayOnly threat is Russia circa 2024AD>Estonia (borderline firstie)Only threat is Russia circa 2024AD>The US army source alone indicates the K9 has a 50% global market share>K9s in Korea 1100>M109s in Korea 1180Again the K9 doesn't even have a 50% market share in Korea let alone globally>>61488837See >>61488528
>>61488837>Tfw the K9 is substandard for literal street shitters who ordered an Arjun with a 155mm haphazardly strapped on the back
>>61488854Lol so what adversaries are credible threats if not russia? Countries like china, india, muzzies are cannon fodder for firsties, every few years we make up a reason to kill thousands of thirdie crazies and thirdies cant do shit lolIn the world of 155 sph its the k9 and then if a country cant buy it they go with some other shit, the 50% market share includes shit that has been on inventory for 50+ years, in reality the k9 is over 90% of all 155 sph new orders for over a decade and growing…seethe cope and of course don’t forget to dilate
>>61488859>india...
>>61488886>Lol so what adversaries are credible threats if not russia? Countries like china, india, muzzies are cannon fodder for firsties, every few years we make up a reason to kill thousands of thirdie crazies and thirdies cant do shit lolNow you are getting it. There are none. People buy the K9 because it's cheap so they can fill NATO quotas and they will never face any real threat.>the 50% market share includes shit that has been on inventory for 50+ yearsThat isn't true at all because if we are talking about 50+ years back then M109 would go up another 1500 from the already 3500 in service vs the 1800 K9s which would mog it even harder.>in reality the k9 is over 90% of all 155 sph new orders for over a decade and growingIt isn't though. Majority of M109 sales are post 2010>>61488893Yeah India one of the K9 customers called it shit and they certainly know shit when they see it. If you didn't want India to call it shit then don't sell it to them.
>>61488886> in reality the k9 is over 90% of all 155 sph new orders for over a decade and growingThis, i can only imagine the shit-tier nations shopping for 155 sph that don’t buy the k9
>>61482089Bittersweet news for the Koreans as this comes after their losing bid in the Mobile Fires platform program the bongs had going to replace the AS-90.
>>61488910> cheap> cost 3x an m109 and still every country wants the k9Clueless retard, you are making a fool of yourself with your fakenews
>>61488924Don’t think the koreans are going to lose any sleep over the bongs as the backorder for k9s is enormous and growing even at the pace of korean production, the uk has a paltry number of 155s, a country like say finland has several times more
>>61483780They need to be ready in case the pidoras start shit in Moldova as a distraction.
>>61488943Finland bought less than 100 K9s.
>>61485001That only applies to China and Best Korea, South Korea weaponry has no soviet roots.
>>61488951How many 155s does the uk have? Maybe 50?
>>6148896057 tracked 155 sph…lol, typical national guard weekend warrior units have more than this
>>61488960146 AS-90 + 14 Archers.
>>61488949No way anything happens in Trannysistria. There's 1500 troops total, and they're cut off from everyone else. Russia can't re-supply them.
>>61488994Only tracked count in a proper war, uk has around 50 tracked
>>61489040Sure, that's troops, but they have plenty of implants there and they've been trying to run destabilization campaigns for a while now.
>>61488924>Bittersweet newsI laugh.https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/vietnam-outlines-intent-to-procure-k9-howitzer
>>61488859>>61488910They literally ordered another 100 in 2022 though.https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/defence-ministry-starts-process-to-buy-100-more-k-9-vajra-howitzers/article66324023.ece
>>61489056The UK has 146, 80-90 of which are active.>Only tracked count in a proper warA retarded statement made only because it's convenient to the point you're trying to make.
>>61482922If id have the same neighbours as turkey id want a pretty big army too desu
>>61482154If only, maybe we could have a Toyota MBT
>>61482162I'm trying to imagine a HMMWV with Kia's reliability issues. We'd have to send entire shipments of nothing but extra engines and transmissions.
All these freakishly low-IQ (or just foolish) procurement moves by Eastern Europe. Shit like this keeps happening because no one can take charge and lead bureaucracies, ie it’s a leadership crisis. No one can or wants to make decisions so it inevitably collapses into lowest-common-denominator, shallow cost-benifit group-think consensus formation. Getting scammed by a corrupt Asian peasant labor colony is actually just a minor symptom of the leadership crisis.
>>61489939>Korea le badWhat's your suggestion? There's literally no alternative so to speak, all the major european companies were either quit or simply out of reach for them.
>>61489939This is pure butthurt.
>>61489930> Kia the most reliability brand in the most competitive auto market in the worldYou are obviously a butthurt bric or bric wannabe seething that not only does the west hate and look down on you so does SK to point that they are willing to sell and transfer miltech intended to kill you monkeys by the billions
>>61482162The K151 raycolt is a beastWeight:K151 5.7k kg to 7.0k kg, HMMWV 2.6k kg to 3.9k kgMax speed:K151 81 mph, HMMWV 70 mphHorsepower:K151 225hp, HMMWV 190hpThe big difference in weight is mostly uparmor
