China is the worlds 5th largest arms exporter, and produces some of the best drones out there.So when is /k/ going to take Chinese weapons seriously?
>>61486298I have only heard lack luster things from our friends up North.
>>61486298Chink shit breaks american feelings, be patient.
>>61486298When our government stops being a bunch of cock huffing retards and lets us buy them, which will be never
>>61486298Remember that video where all the qbz bullets were keyholing lmfao oh man I sure hope nobody posts that in this thread that would be so embarrassing but not as embarrassing as the tiannemen square civilian massacre.
>>61486298
>>61486308>Chink shit breaks
>>61486312
-1000 social score for the western magazine
>>61486312Man it'd be a real shame of someone posted that vid of Paul shooting M855 through an A1 upper, be really embarrassing to all the AR/M16 fanboys to see their prized rifle keyhole
>>61486298It's an OK gun I guess. Most of my other bullpups are better though.
>>61486337>general dynamics claim SRTA has ballistics similar to 5.56 out to 100m (as does Always On Target)>key holes at 25mWut
>>61486298Their drones are taken seriously at least. DJI is essential to Ukraine at this point
>>61486298>whennever
>>61486427It's almost like they were using rubber bullets.
When I can buy a Norinco SKS for $300 again.
>Please take these guns you have no experience with seriously
>>61486298I'd buy a qbz if I could even though I'm super racist against chinks
>>61486298>So when is /k/ going to take Chinese weapons seriously?When they win a war, something they have never done
Does the import ban affect furniture? You'd think with Sureshot and Zenitco shut out of US Market. Chinese clones would start showing up. But chinx seem strangely absent in the tacticool furniture scene, and stick to lights and red dots mostly. Also I hear their SVDs are surprisingly up to snuff
>>61486298>and produces some of the best drones out there.Non-military drones*, their military drones are so shit African countries switch to Turkish drones
>>61486427unstable bullets tends to tumble when they hit something denser/harder than air
i have a chink air rifle and it's alright
>>61486525ukraine war immediately proves you wrong. UA straight up prefers DJI drones over the american ones they got
>>61486509I can personally vouch for the NDM being good, although to be fair they autistically copied/reproduced a russian design. You really cant call it an inherently ‘chinese’ weapont. One of the resident svd fags on /k/
Chinese can make good stuff with proper quality control and materials. The advances in machining technology in the past 10 years made it so if you're just competent and have good QC you can go really far.
>>61486549>specifically point out that China makes good non-military drones>absolutely retarded monkey goes on how great DJI isAre you retarded? Of course you are, imbecile that can't fucking read
>>61486571>svd fagsChaddest of anons
>>61486602
>>61486298Apparently 4th as of 2023.>and produces some of the best drones out there.Yeah, no.LOL
>>61486298Exporting Type 56s, RPG copies and china-made M16A1 copies around the world to anyone willing to buy and the corresponding ammo doesn't make anyone the 5th largest arms exporter outside of statistics.
>>61486337The chink guns had CEP of 2m at 20m. I saw rounds completely miss the uyghur-like targets
>>61487122>uyghur-like targetslmfao
For me it is a sour grape thing. I can't have them so they mustn't be good and so it is or else I may be mad and I don't want to be mad.
when congress ends the arms embargo so never
>>61486298When there's anything to indicate they're good.
>>61486750China sells 20 times more military drones than anyone else by number of units then the next closest country (the US). It has over 80% of the commercial drone market. It is true that its traditional fullsized UAVs are generally taken to be inferior to their NATO counterparts. However, they are significantly cheaper, leading countries who can get and afford the US versions to still buy a lot of Chinese ones.In medium and small drones and loitering munitions the comparison is by no means laughable. It's probably the one area of military tech where China is the leader. Both reports from third parties buying both and those of NATO nations say Chinese small drones and loitering munitions are "as good" at 25-33% of the cost, or simply better. They sunk lots of money into their commercial firms early and it paid off, such that they dominate the commercial market, which gives them valuable experience and cashflow for R&D and they can attract global talent.The US and other NATO nations really slept on medium sized drones that can be launched from trucks/pneumatic catapults and small drones. Israel is a bit of an exception, at least for their size.
>>61486298I begrudgingly respect modern chang small arms development (from about the 80s onward) for being literally the only aspect of Chinese R&D that is actually innovative and not shamelessly copied from someone else
>>61487231This. And drones are clearly remaking warfare and will do so even more with AI. The US just had its first pilot vs F-16 piloted by AI dogfight session for instance. It isn't that far away. There is currently a real "drone gap," that we can't afford to sleep on. Particularly with smaller drones and swarms.
>>61486298>So when is /k/ going to take Chinese weapons seriously?Maybe after specifications and tolerances being met at scale production is the norm rather than the exception?
chang always cuts corners, he will not improve the quality of his product if it increases the price $1, in his purely mathematical brain this is like losing points and not getting the high score
>>61486298Have we seen any of these weapons actually used in a conflict yet? Outside of the drones?
>>61487302Quantity is its own sort of quantity. Having a Switchblades that are only 70% as effective is still and advantage of you have 400% more of them.
>>61487335Pretty sure the Saudis used some in Yemen (including drones). Their small arms are all over conflicts in Africa. Their 37mm automatic grenade launcher is a rare exception where the Chinese system is widely held to be the best in class, but most of it is still budget option.The drones are, of course, ubiquitous.
>>61487302Stopped watching on "ground up rocks". It's iron fortification.
>>61486306lmao the most recent batch of Type 81 rifles all came with BENT barrels
>>61486298>Human Beings>Giving a shit about ChinaPick One. (1). Even God doesn't give a shit about China.
>>61487231>China sells 20 times more military drones than anyone else by number of units then the next closest country (the US)Yeah, gonna need a source, mate.Also, stop conflating civilian drones with military drones.You won't be dropping nades on Americans any time soon.
>>61486298most people do take Chinese stuff pretty seriously. Chinese made AK's are some of the best regarded Kalashnikovs on the US secondhand market, and all the different pre-ban Chinese guns are pretty well-loved, maybe with a few exceptions being the SKS's that got lazily converted to accept AK mags. most American gun enthusiasts would absolutely kill to see Type 97s, QBZ-191s, and new production SKS's come into the US, but that's most likely never going to happen.some of the legitimate military equipment coming out of China can be a bit of a mixed bag, however. a lot of Chinese artillery, ballistic missiles, AShMs, etc. look pretty formidable, but most of the export weaponry is mediocre, as China seems to keep most of its really high end tech for itself. hence there isn't stuff like the PLZ-05 or the YJ-21 getting sold abroad. only higher end stuff that the Chinese part with are long range SAMs, which they sell to countries like Serbia, Algeria and Myanmar, or their J-10 fighter jet, which has only sold to Pakistan as most other 3rd world militaries instead go with the wish.com F-16 that is the JF-17. Chinese drones can be hit or miss as well, I don't know much about Chinese military UAVs but even the higher end Chinese commercial drones like DJI have very little (if any) signals encryption which make them very dangerous to use in a life-or-death situation. if I had to use a Mavic in Ukraine I'd only do it in a foxhole or bunker with my controller tethered to a transmission antenna at least 50m away from me. people using commercial (specifically DJI and other Chinese) drones make themselves easy targets for anyone with even very modest SIGINT equipment and counterbattery options.
>>61487335J-10 is used by a few countries. Pakis use it as their elite fighter above the F-16, although the US claim (cope?) is that this is just busting the US' balls over upgrades. Sudan got some too I think. And then the J-17 is a Chinese designed fighter for the Pakis that is going to be produced there (but it's a budget version). They haven't exported a lot of their higher end stuff. The J-35 would be a big shift in that.They do sell an export version of the PL-15 with a much reduced range, but that still clears 100 miles and apparently works well. This gives it a decent range advantage over the AIM-120 and puts it in the same ballpark as the brand new 240. If the real PL-15 actually has its listed range it's a distinct advantage for China in some contexts. The PL-21 will boost that to 300-400km, which would be a coup for them if it can hit shit at those ranges, even if it's just J-20s dumping them at AWACS and EW planes that are easy to hit, it allows them to do so and then get out of dodge, back to their SAM umbrella.
>>61487357HEME iron doesn't look like that.
>>61486298I have always taken chink weapons seriously. Norinco is fucking based and it's truly a shame that our entire economy is chock full of chinese goods, but Norinco products are banned.
>>61487388>Data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), which tracks global arms transfers, shows China has delivered some 282 combat drones to 17 countries in the past decade, making it the world’s leading exporter of the weaponised aircraft. By comparison, the United States — which has the most advanced UAVs in the world — has delivered just 12 combat drones in the same period, all of them to France and the United Kingdom, according to SIPRI dataAlso:>In Iraq, authorities say they used Chinese drones to carry out more than 260 air raids against ISIL (ISIS) targets as of mid-2018, with a success rate of nearly 100 percent.And they're used in Myanmar a lot too, Saudis, etc. They have more of a combat record in diverse contexts than US drones at this point.https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/24/how-china-became-the-worlds-leading-exporter-of-combat-drones
The qbz 03 and type 03 sight are really fucking clean, I play too much insurgency sandstorm so I'm biased but god damn do I love that sight picture
>>61486298when they stop keyholing, have more consistent QC, and get qualitatively competitive with non-Chinese rifles. Also, we haven't been able to get ahold of Norinco guns (the cool ones at least) in the US since they pulled that stunt in the 90s.
>>61486535lul this reminded me of a vid I saw if a poor Ivan conscript being handed a rusty old Chinese squirrel killing gun lol.
>>61487388>The US has magical technology that will stop all drones, they will never be an issue for 'murica!!!!Hmmm, may we see it? If this magical tech works, surely they could share it with Ukraine and stop the deluge of drone attacks from cheap Chinese drones there?Indeed, if cheap Chinese drones are so easy to counter, the would surely want to help Ukraine by sharing this thing. Funny then how they haven't. It's almost like it doesn't exists and the Abrams will be as prone to being torn apart by FPVs as any other tank in a war.
>>61487444Implessive, seriously implessive.I bet that all of those collective operators still have less hours with drones than Americans do.But still, lets not conflate DYI drones with military drones.
>>61487483Stfu shill.
>>61487515>>61487491omfg die
>>61487509China has exported massively more than 282 FYI drones and loitering munitions dumbass. The 282 figure is larger combat drones specifically, like the Wing Loong.
>>61487521Ah, so America isn't sharing this magic tech why exactly? Hmmm... activates ones almonds.
>>61487529That part of the post was seperate from the first.Reading comprehension, mate.>>61487537Idk mate, go ask them.
>>61487563This isn't /v/, buddy.
>>61486298When people actually get to use them and run them until they break down. Probably be difficult to get people to be serious about them nowadays in the usa because the ar15 is just so damn ubiquitous and affordable.
>>61487577Based on how literally everything else in US manufacturing has gone I think it's wishful thinking to assume the US firearms industry could long survive the lifting of the import ban on Chinese guns. They would need tarrifs at least and US companies that survived would produce there instead. Just look at everything else.
>>61487529>Wing Loong>wings are fairly longnot very creative.
>>61487231>are "as good" at 25-33% of the cost, or simply better.I still remember, this time three years ago, people using those exact words to describe Russian weaponry
>>61486298>we sell a bunch of broken shit and inferior dronesI'm so impressed
>>61486306>rackruster
>>61487659lmfao, yeah buddy, it was basically a free for all battle royal to get the last chinkshit leadspitter on the shelf before the ban
>Washington has banned almost every Russian and Chinese import>y u no take srsBecause there's no examples to gauge against what's available now. Oh wow, a bunch of clapped out Norincos from the 80s, damn bro...
>>61486427The entire keyhole meme comes from a single video of a CQB exercise where they used old rubber bullets designed for a different barrel twist rate.
Well, we keep finding out that US shit, including the F-35, is filled with Chinese components. Since firms have been hit hard with fines for this and been dragged through the mud and before Congress, I think it's fair to say this isn't just about profit margins. They literally can't get the shit to work right without the components because they can't make them themselves. This is what happens when you get rid of your entire industrial base and invest trillions in your rival. Chinese stuff can't all be shit and then American stuff be wunderwaffens, because America keeps using Chinese stuff.
>>61487882>Well, we keep finding out that US shit, including the F-35, is filled with Chinese components.>1 2$ magnet stripAHAHAHAHHALiterally exposed yourself in the first sentence.
>>61487384Your God is fake
>>61486336>Americans feelingsYeah its a great punLOOK at any warranty department or how people make plastic products part of their soul or ego or whole character with electronics and car fags
>>61487793>Rubber bullets, old ammo, wore out crowns What's the next cope? I've heard them all. Vely disonobru and shill behavior
>>61487942Yes, you retarded faggot.Burden of proof is on you.
>>61487942Post other components.
>>61487942Left one secedes territory from the right one.
>>61487981No one here has ever mentioned anything but the usage of rubber bullets.
Chink shotguns are still available in the US and they are low quality shit, in part with turkshit.
>>61487289Every goddamn time.
>>61487709Most people used to talk about tanks or rifles not top gen fighters. As far as effectiveness for tanks in Ukraine both western and Russian tanks seem pretty useless, main difference being the Western tanks burn up less spectacularly than the Russians.
What happened to the Chinese submarine?
>>61488021>silencetypical
No one has posted this already? Why?
>>61486312Those were rubber training rounds, as has been gone over every single time that clip gets posted.
>>61486312It would be a reaaaaal shame if someone didn't notice the fucking brick wall being used as a backstop. It would be even more retarded if this particular imbecile didnt know what that indicated.
Probably when the Chinese start taking Chinese weapons seriously.
>>61488349They never were rubber but shitty bullets being used up from an old gun. Bugs can't just state the truth though.
>>61489016They like to screech about the case proving the bullet was rubber when DBP10 also had copper-washed rounds. Funnily enough they can't explain why the bullets are "rubber" enough to keyhole without bouncing back but penetrate the bricks.
>>61489024I dunno man have you seen chinese bricks?
>>61486298Americans are just all sour grapes about the fact that they can’t buy the based chinkgun
>>61489024>without bouncing back>at 800 m/sAre you THAT retarded? holy shit.
>>61488793I don't know much about backstops. Please tell me what this indicates.
>>61489110So just to get the chink (you) story straight the rounds were rubber, keyholing and tumbling the whole time, but moving too fast to ricochet while also penetrating bricks. Meanwhile these magic properties were not seen in any other training ammo in the world using rubber, plastic, or even wooden fucking bullets.It's just bugs firing off old ammo (noted as being inferior) in a new twist rated barrel. Why is that so hard to admit chang? This is why you're laughed at and no one takes the claims seriously.
>>61489157You can deduce on your own what round is by measuring the keyhole and calc the L/D ratio.Maybe that is too hard for you. Vely sad.
>>61486298I like my old norinco ak, wish I could've bought the chink trench gun clone but they had to run over some students.
>>61487302that video is so dumb and fake lmao and I hate chinks
>>61486298When China wins a war.
>>61487357Fortified cereals in America also contain iron shavings like that. The human body is not really able to absorb this iron.
>>61486414are there any good AK bullpups?I've seen those being developed since forever just to get canned every timeonly semi successful was malyuk but those went extinct at this point, Ukrainian troops are using good trad AK variants nowsome use western supplied guns
>>61489133it means the ammo is frangible or else the spall and shrapnel at that range would be hazardous to the shooter.
>>61489566define 'good'Will they shoot a bullet when you pull the trigger? Yes.
>>61486571wasn't there something in US law about SVD out of battery safety being considered autosear?I seem to recall some ATF retardation of this nature
>>61489626>define 'good'does trigger feel like puling through potato mash with no feel to it?most AK bullpups had this issue because they were bodged together with ductape and wire to use as many same parts and as little cost as possibleprobably new receiver with good guides for trigger linkage could solve that but not heard of anyone doing it
>>61487978>LOOK at any warranty departmentFull of broken people having to do claims for broken chink shit.
>>61489435No. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OdztXUJaeL8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCJHaDhVlKc&t=227shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIpA_RwEtLEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKGtwaJaoHE&t=384s
>>61489435The five minute craft stuff usually is.But the made in China food being actually toxic is not. They were executing people a while back because it was getting way out of hand, might still be but they might just be burying further reports on it.
>>61488747lost at 0.5
>>61489911Anon, what you posted can be true without engagement farming facebook videos made for boomers also being true.
>>61487952and how's the communism thing going? despite all your power and strength you still haven't managed to defeat what you think is a fictional character.Christ will crush your proud system beneath His heel, and you will be just as powerless to stop Him then as you are now.
Is pic el worth buying for the memes or will it blow up in my face?
>>61490233Forgot pic
>>61490220I get your point
>>61486509There is plenty of Chinese zentitco ripoffs my dude. Just add airsoft to your search parameters.
>>61486572>have good QC you can go really far.That's the problem though
>>61486298>the worlds 5th largest arms exporter,>of copies of other designs
>>61486298When the crap we import from China stops being so crappy.
>>61487709This. So tired to see the same arguments but now they're Chinese instead of Russian. At least Russians had accomplished some shit with their garbage
ugliest rifle ever made
>>61486750Tf do italy and spain export?
>>61487421>J-10 is used by a few countriesOnly by pakistan rn Also he asked about conflicts China is the new ussr/russia selling cheap shit to third world countries Russia not being able to produce stuff for their own army let alone export helps a lot Is it any good?We will see
>>61486298on the subject of chink guns,are Norinco Tokarevs any good? my Yugo M57 is a piece of shit
>>61486298When they stop being shipped from Borinco with bent barrels and keyholing at 25yds. t. leaf
>>61490906>ItalyBerettaOTO MelaraLeonardoOff the top of my head. Maybe Fiocci if ammunition counts?
>>61490906>>61491537Italy also exports a lot of components for boats and vehicles I don't know if that chart counts those too
>>61490233>>61490239Is this the company that makes that fake "ak103" that Polenar Tactical uses as their beater AK?
>>61486298I think DJIs work fine but I have worked on enough vehicles imported from China that I won't beleive any claim about them without seeing proof.
>>61486298>When will /k/ take Chinese weapons seriosly?never I've owned norincos and Chinese air rifles. They are poorly machined, low quality unk designed to look like real guns and I'd say that bullpup groups on minute of man at best and jams like a dykes cunt and the next one will be different because the barrel is screwed into the gun on a different depth and headspace and half the trigger spring has snapped off. You can absolutely be cetain that plastic cracks when dropped as well and it may or may not work randomly in any temperature range that is not exactly 19-23 degrees centigrade
>>61491774>I think DJIs work fine but I have worked on enough vehicles imported from China that I won't beleive any claim about them without seeing proof.Their agricultural machinery is worse than their vesicles absolute junk
>>61490906>Tf do italy and spain export?spainAya,Ardessa , Gamoitalyberetta,Pedersoli. pietta, uberti,franchi, Benellibut there are many others of excellent quality and hand makers could be hundreds
>>61490906>Tf do italy and spain export?Rheinmetall Expal Munitions, S.A.U. of Madrid is a world-renowned ammunition and armament manufacturer specialised in artillery ammunition, mortar and medium calibre rounds as well as fuzes and rocket propulsion systems. In many cases, Expal's ammunition products are produced as “full shot”, from propellant to fuse.
>>61489632From what little i’ve read/heard about it, it was just a rumor based upon the fact that the the tigrs apparently dont have that part present in the trigger group whereas the military spec svds still do.Much ado about nothing in my opinion
>>61489643The 86s has a perfectly fine trigger. It's not great but it's hardly holding back practical accuracy, especially given the mediocre sights and short sight radius. The QBZ trigger is actually really light, but a relatively long pull with a weird linear hammer dropping that feels almost like an open bolt - but doesn't knock the gun around the same way an actual open bolt gun would.
>>61491759Yes, norinco renamed itself SDM, Sino Defence Manufacturing
>>61487709yeah and then it turned out that the stuff actually cost more then more advanced NATO weapons.
>>61489049fair enough
>>61487521>marine sterilizer 3000
>>61486336undeniably and yet unbelievably based
i want to be white so badly.
>>61494641I’m not white and I had a buddy in high school who also wasn’t white. He confided in me that he wished he was white, and I felt nothing but disgust. How could you have such an inferiority complex to wish you were white?He was Asian btw.
>>61495437whites have been on top since the beginning of thime
>>61486298Nothing they make is interesting desu
>>61490906>spainbergara
>>61490239>>61489090>>61486414>>61486298I have no doubt whatsoever that its a shit gun made of cancer plastic, tin metal and Ground fetuses, but i like it. Its a very evil looking bullpup, and i enjoy evil looking bad guy guns.
>>61487302ive had that plastic cheese before in prison system its real
Lmao, delusional bullpup fanatics never cease to amaze me.Your shit failure of an experiment will never catch on, it will never be "the gun of the future".
>>61487302>webm Embarrassing, the video is fake and als has nothing to do with chinks.It's another shitty clickbait by one of those youtube content farms. Original link:https://youtu.be/zbo0TfqOTOk?si=mSz1dn-TVIb00SncShit in it got ousted as retarded fake multiple times with arguably the biggest being:https://youtu.be/vSBSzWmjXO0?si=b8hLec2xJ9uJds3h
>>61486298>trusting chinesium and chinesium merchantsnah.
>>61486414Which are worse?
China doesn't need weapons to win
>>61496016you deeply disgust me. consider offing yourself.
>>61487231impressive
>>61498544kid trying to be edgy
>>61486298Never, because being the 5th strongest arms manufacturer is like being the 5th biggest cola manufacturer
>>61487231>China sells 20 times more military drones than anyone elseYour mom sucks 20 times more cock than anyone else, that doesn't mean she's not fucking terrible at it, she's just cheap and eager to sell
Only chink gun I have is a lever shotgun that was covered in burrs when I got it and I had to file a bunch of shit down. It works fine now, but I did so much work on it that it's more American-made than chink made at this point
die
>>61500351I've been wanting the knockoff 87 for the range so bad but the machining marks on pictures makes me wonder what else did they skip out on with the internals
>>61500391Pretty sure it's just luck of the draw + break in period. Also, it says "MADE IN ZHONG CHANG CHINGCHONG FACTORY" in big letters on the left side, which sucks
>>61486298When they're battle-tested, to start with. A hurdle the CCP has conscientiously avoided.
>>61498014QBZ > 86s but not by much. Not like they were designed for the same markets though. The QBZ is a military rifle first, designed for domestic use and foreign contracts. The 86s was just an American commercial market exclusive designed to get American consumer dollars before the chinks for their shit banned. Afaik they were never sold outside the US, and we only got 2000 or so of them.
>>61490906Italy : Benelli M4 and m9Spain : cetme for shitholes too poor for g3, probably.
>>61486298>China is the worlds 5th largest arms exporterNobody is buying that shitty rifle.I remember RPG's I used in SE Asia were soviet heads with Chinese propellant sticks. Countries are buying grenades, launchers, artillery.
>>61486414What country are you from? theres no way you are american if you have a type 97, unless you got it illegally or paid like 5k for it. Philippines?
