ITT: we discuss major military mistakes
>>61490092trying was not the mistake, failing was
>>61490092Not sure what the Germans were expecting of us at the Don.
>>61490092Germans had an easy time in the USSR until the winter and Stalingrad. Russians would have lost if not for the USA, maybe we shouldn’t have implemented lend-lease, we could have gotten a great deal on some Eurotrash real estate.
>>61490092Supporting France over Indochina is easily one of the worst mistakes for modern history that most people ignore.
>>61490092How long before "someone" mentions a certain IFV ? I give it about 60 seconds.
>>61490123Elaborate?
Pallies trying to win international sympathy from the West for being oppressed minorities and then doing stuff like this to their fellow Arabs was a PR blunder. Unfortunately, they kept doing it.>On 20 January, under the command of Fatah and as-Sa'iqa, members of the Palestine Liberation Organization and leftist Muslim Lebanese militiamen entered Damour.[11] Along with twenty Phalangist militiamen, civilians - including women, the elderly, and children, and often comprising whole families - were lined up against the walls of their homes and sprayed with machine-gun fire by Palestinians; the Palestinians then systematically dynamited and burned these homes.[12][3][11] Several of the town's young women and girls were separated from other civilians and gang-raped.[3] Most estimates of the number killed range from 150 to 250, with the overwhelming majority of these being civilians; Robert Fisk puts the number of civilians massacred at nearly 250, while Israeli professor Mordechai Nisan claims a significantly higher figure of 582.[3][13][14][15][16][17] Among the killed were family members of Elie Hobeika and his fiancée.[18] For several days after the massacre, 149 bodies of those executed by the Palestinians lay in the streets; this included the corpses of many women who had been raped and of babies who were shot from close range in the back of the head.[14] In the days following the massacre, Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims exhumed the coffins in the town's Christian cemetery and scattered the skeletons of several generations of the town's deceased citizens in the streets.[14][3][11]
>>61490219>Israeli professor Mordechai Nisan claimsAlso this was done as retaliation to another massacre during a pretty brutal civil war
>>61490136The US chose to help France in their retarded attempt to hang on to Vietnam because they were afraid France would fall to commies somehow. In the end the US ended up supporting a very retarded government in the South which ultimately collapsed.
Portugal Colonial Wars.I mean, what the FUCK they expected?
Failed false flags are always pretty funny
>>61490136The Vietminh were huge burgerboos and thought that we would help them set up an american federalist styled government after the end of WW2. Instead we gave France the green light to brutally crack down on Vietnamese self determination after DeGaulle threatened to stop cooperating in Europe, so the Vietnamese said fuck this shit and went to the USSR for help instead, finding that Marxist-Leninist socialism vibed well with southeast asian family values and cultural traditions and were able to garner huge domestic support for the cause. The US saw this post-Korea and freaked out, leading to direct military involvement.
>>61490092OK, I'm going to give you an exercise. September 1st 1939, how do you stop krauts and rusniggers
>>61490266Nothing remotely like this had been done by Christians to the Pallies prior. Sabra and Shatila came AFTER, following such provocations. Pallies were the first of all the factions to start in with this sort of thing. Substantiate your claims (you can't) or GTFO.Nevermind the whole thing of "we're guests in this country but we're going to set up our own rule and destroy the entire country." Same thing happened in Jordan, where they killed the king and tried to throw a coup. Or recall how Kuwait expelled 500,000+ Palies in the 90s on similar grounds or why Qaddafi expelled his Palies from Libya.>Haha, a Jew spoke about this so clearly this incredibly well documented event didn't happen. Funny, since we have plenty of evidence of them doing this to their fellow Arabs over and over.Remind me again, why did Egypt blockade Gaza more fully than Israel prior to October 7th and why did they refuse to take Gaza back when they got the Sinai? Any insurgencies against the Egyptians we should know about or terror?
>>61490219I still find it funny that they managed to chimp out so bad that both Israel and Syria intervened in Lebanon with large ground deployments, ostensibly fighting on the same side as each other to tamp down on the Palestinians. Wild to get those two on the same side.
>>61490092The Russian Navy.Well, all of the Russian military. But especially the navy.
>>61490636>Sub 100iq hands wrote this
>>61490636While there is some things to blame Ukraine for, its mostly political ones, not military ones. Russia however has done military fuckups on a scale not seen since WW2
>>61490636>be russian retard>die
>>61490668I don't blame russia for having to face essentially the entire logistical power of NATO. Without foreign support the conflict would have ended already
>>61490092Anyone have the story of SEALs fucking up a mountain assault somewhere and getting their own guy named after it instead of the air force dude that actually did heroism?
>>614906361. post your hand2. post guns3. Ukraine has fucked up way harder in the past, like their involvement in the Iraq War for starters. But you obviously don't care about that and just want to shit up the thread. Go fuck yourself with a broom handle and don't respond to me unless you've got an attached picture of 1 or 2
>>61490702Dude, Russia isnt even fighting 1% of the capability NATO has in areas besides 155mm production. NATO has massive air and sea capabilites that isnt used at all in this war.
>>61490737noguns detected
>>61490636Based off my detective work, you are a North American poster.Your recollection of events has an eight year gap in it, suggesting that you've only started learning about this topic recently.I think it's safe to say your concern for the well being of Ukrainians and the fate of Ukraine as a country is disingenuous.
>>61490757What retard cares about Ukraine? Prior to the war the only reason Ukraine was in the news was how much money US political families were making there
>>61490267South Vietnam was also a very rare case of the US getting so upset with a worthless ally that they actually just outright murdered the guy in charge. Even failures usually get to keep their heads, even after their use is concluded.
>>61490306The US commander who was prepping a retaliatory strike should have ignored his orders and done it anyway.
>>61490366>after DeGaulle threatened to stop cooperating in EuropeThis is one area we could have stood to learn from the Soviets. DeGaulle should have been assassinated and replaced with a different anticommunist hardliner.
>>61490096You don't undertake action until you're sure it will succeed. They took this action with shoddy intelligence and the confidence of a country that didn't actually know what its capabilities were.
>>61490267France was openly declaring they would.
>>61490111>Germans had an easy time in the USSR until the winter and Stalingrad.Nah, nigga. They basically lost that war the moment they failed at Moscow, which was in winter 1941, months after the invasion. Once aid started flowing in, it was only a matter of time until the Nazis would lose the war.
>>61490306I just read that article, and all it is is quoting a book that says that actually LBJ ordered the attack on the Liberty and the Israelis were just complying because LBJ wanted into the war. That's a really fucking stupid theory that is only present in a single book, written by a guy who only writes about conspiracy theories. Actually, the only connecting thread in his books is that he likely just hates LBJ, since he's apparently responsible for killing JFK, MLK, the USS liberty incident, and other things. >Remember the Liberty! examines it in complete context of how it was positioned there by Johnson himself, for the very purpose of being attacked, and sunk, with every one of the 294 men on board going to the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea. His purpose was to use that event - while blaming Egyptian President Gamal Nasser for the attack - as a pretext for joining Israel in the war, even at the risk of igniting World War III with the Soviet Union. Yeah.
>>61491275When Ernst Udet, Luftwaffe chief of logistics, was given the plans for Barbarossa and ordered to start allocating supplies and cargo aircraft to support it, he immediately shot himself in the head. Everybody knew Barbarossa was doomed for failure.
>>61491275That's retarded. There is never a guarantee of success. You sound like the asshole Grant replaced.
>>61491384>actually the goys WANTED us to attack them!it’s all so tiresome
>>61491430>>61491430Maybe you're right, but there is such thing as a guarantee of failure, which Barbarossa most certainly was.
>>61491416>On their way to attend Udet's funeral, the World War II fighter ace Werner Mölders died in a plane crash in Breslau, and the high Luftwaffe executive General der Flieger Helmuth Wilberg died in another plane crash near Dresden. God hated the Luftwaffe.
>>61490092Almost all wars are jew bankers wars. They are all mistakes caused by jews
>>61491614That was no mistake, my gentile friend. It is education required for the future dialogues.
>>61491642>the forehead boxI remember learning why they actually do this. There's some passage of the Torah that says they should always have the word of God on their minds, so they rules-lawyered it and literally keep tiny scripture in boxed affixed to their foreheads. It also says something about keeping it close at hand, so again, they have wrist-boxes too.Jews are a silly people the more you learn about them.
>>61491384>>61491446Yo be fair that sounds 100% like something LBJ would do
>>61491703No, bro. The verse is pretty literal. It doesn't say minds, it says between the eyes and around the arm. >Jews are a silly peopleTrue.
Not bringing enough gas for your invasion.
>>61491703i would be surprised if there weren't similar things in christianity or islam or hinduism or any old religion. stuff just gets telephoned until it's only a shell of the original meaning.
>>61491732I forget which book it was and I can't be assed to check right now, so I'll have to see what the explanatory notes said later.>>61491754There is to some extent, I just find the concept of "keep this on your mind" and deciding to literally put it on your head funny.It also manages to disprove that /pol/ "theory" that the cube stood for Saturn due to the hexagon on one of it's poles. All that complex mental gymnastics for it to be a literal box of paper. Still, gotta give them props for imagination. It's like when people spread that story about the hole in the Papal Throne. The myth they came up with was that a woman pretended to be a man and became Pope, then was found out, so she was put to death and they installed a hole so they can squeeze the Pope's balls to make sure he's still a man. The real answer is that it's a toilet, because the Pope sits there all day and he's probably always gonna be really old.
>>61491809>I forget which book it was and I can't be assed to check right now, so I'll have to see what the explanatory notes said later.Exodus Ch 13 says it all. It talks about the unleavened bread and casts this as a sign. It's not entirely crazy, and it's clear that this was the interpretation of early Jews.
>>61490636>I think ukraine is actually fucked forever, which puts this one at the top of the list.the word: 'the ukraine' itselfwill become a monument to the collossal arrogance of the most brain addled,mis-informed and manipulated puppet in the history of statehood
>>61491723He would. then he'd pull out his cock and say something like>Those fucking Pharohs fucked with our boat so now we and the heebs are going to flatten those little pyramids!
>>61491482That's true. I still don't really grasp how many echelons of failure that was working on.
>>61490714Yeah John Chapman was left to die on a Mountain in Afghanistan by Navy SEALS. The Navy got super pissy when Chapman was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor and demanded that one of their guys get one too. Also Navy SEALs straight up murdered Green Beret SSG Logan Melgar. These aren't the only US service members the SEALs have killed just the ones I can name without looking up.
>>61492184Little known fact, but the man we know as LBJ was actually just a vessel for what was inside his trousers. The real brain was in the pants the whole time.
>>61491754Ever hear of snake handlers?
>>61490702>Without foreign support the conflict would have ended alreadyWithout foreign support the entire world would be subhumans instead of 99% of it.
>>61491416Didn’t the German advance in ‘41 peter out within like 100 kilometers of where the Heer’s logistical office predicted it would too
NATO
>>61492246Ever hear of snake handlers?
>>61493384Yeah, your mom every weekend.
>>61490768this. the more vatniks they kill the better but essentially it's slav on slav warcrimes. nobody gives a fuck.
>>61490669>other approaches are needed
I'm going to back up a little further and say the Schlieffen plan. Once Germany couldn't take Paris, they were fucked and should have packed it up then.Also, the Somme was a major mistake and Haig is a grand tard of all time.
>>61493499>I just wanted to make you laugh. Why did you have to attack my country. Why did you make me kill you?
>>61493333checkedNATO did well for 50-60 years or so, though. Won the Cold War, too.
>>61490433Wikipedia mentions Karantina
>>61490366This part has been a little overexaggerated. Yes, it's true that we should have told France to shut the fuck up and wait for their marshall plan bucks like good boys, and yes it's true Ho Chi Minh was a burgerboo, but Minh was a devoted communist and ruled as such, with all the crimes that came with it. Vo Nguyen Giap, the architect of Dien Bien Phu and military leader of the Viet Minh, oversaw the purging and execution of Viet Minh cadres deemed to be insufficiently communist, most likely on Ho's orders. It's just obscured because he got vastly outdone both in savagery by his later fellow traveler in Cambodia (Pol Pot) and in the sheer scale of destruction by his contemporary to the north.
>American involvement in the European theatre of WW2>iraq>Sykes-Picot>inventing fire
>>61490373>how do you stop krauts and rusniggersYou don't, you just cheer on Hitler and let them go at it.
>>61490092Creation of the USAF.
>>61490785Imagine an alt-history scenario where the USN Mediterranean fleet was given the green light to defend and fight back.
>>61491446The more reasonable theory is that the Liberty's ELINT suite scooped up the 'no quarter' order during the Sinai encirclement, including multiple groups reporting they had already murdered the POWs they were holding. The IDF realized, oh shit, there is a US AGOR nearby and we are doing shady shit, maybe we can sink it and kill the survivors and scuttle the magnetic tapes before this becomes an international incident that makes us even more vilified. Bonus, if we can false-flag it, maybe we can bring the US fully into the war?
>>61496286The thing is that if the Israelis were in such a position where an attack on a US ship could be safely ignored by the US government, then surely some electronic transmissions in the Sinai could be ignored as well. There's just not a lot of reward for the risk Israelis would be taking in that event, especially since the attack can be said to have failed, as the ship wasn't sunk and most of the crewmembers survived. You would think they would have finished the job instead of getting cold feet. I have seen some evidence to suggest that the pilots may have found out at some point that they were attacking a US vessel and kept going, but that can be chalked up to sunk-cost fallacy temporarily blinding them, since if they killed everyone, there would be nobody to report it, relenting only after they were ordered to or their senses took over. In either case someone in the Israeli military definitely fucked up majorly and both sides decided to cover it up. I do not think it was a pre-planned attack.
>>61490129It's not an IFV because it can't fight for shit with a 3 clip magazine and an un stabilized gun
>>61490092It was a mistake to treat them like subhumansThe Russians were welcoming the Germans as liberators cause even an invading army was seen as better than living under communism in a dysfunctional economy where food was sparse and it was easy to get sent to gulag for being too intelligent(ability to read for example)
>>61490366>>61490791Burger educated people spotted, De Gaulle was not in power when the crackdown of the Vietminh started. The Vietminh has also ALWAYS been a communist insurgency receiving massive support from both China and the USSR. The US did not give any green light for anything (this was pre-Suez).
>>61490366>Marxist-Leninist socialism vibed well with asian monarchism and authoritarianismFtfyT. Asian
>>61490123>>61490136>>61490267>>61490366LMAO this retard again.Facts for you, burgeroid.De Gaulle came into power in 1958.France had left Indochina in 1954.The USA entered Vietnam in 1965.This should be enough to demonstrate you are full of shit.Now for some details.The CIA, then known as the OSS, did not support France when Imperial Japan invaded Indochina in 1945, notably forbidding the Flying Tigers to provide air support to French garrisons the Japanese troops attacked using the families of French soldiers as human shields to get in before executing French soldiers and their families too. Nips tried to use anti colonialist propaganda yet failed to get Indochinese civilians to switch sides, and Indochina was retaken after the Japanese surrender.Immediately in the fall of 1945 the USA began financing Ho Chin Minh's terrorists who were notably killing French civilians, women, children.France tried to negotiate with Ho but it went nowhere because he was a commie, not a nationalist.In 1951 the French demonstrated to the US the American weapons captured in Korea by the Norks helped by Mao's chinks were ending up into the hands of the viets to be used against French soldiers. Therefore the enemy was the same in both cases.>>61490791>This is one area we could have stood to learn from the Soviets. DeGaulle should have been assassinated and replaced with a different anticommunist hardliner.The CIA tried to assassinate De Gaulle on five different occasions and failed.De Gaulle was extremely anti communist and all those saying otherwise are absolute retards with marshmallow instead of braincells.
>>61490267France threatened to go red if we didn’t hold their imperial claims.>>61490136ignore what you red so far. ignore that pootane cope. vichy france took over french indochina, imposed cruel treatment and their own language. failure to comply meant beheadings and what not. power shifted to japs and a man named ho chi minh “the enlightened one” or some shit like that; began leading a group called the vietminh against these people to raid their food stocks that starving vietnamese were being robbed of. OSS got wind of these guys early on and sent a couple guys to deliver a small cache of guns, provided training to these guys they said were quick learners. ho chi redubbed them “viet-american minh”. but ww2 ends and “fights over sambo”. French retake their colony, fighting for independence resumes. roosevelt made vague promises of protecting sovereignty of nations, Ho was hopeful, roosevelt is dead, Truman was hardliner against communism, the iron curtain was fierce at the time. Ho appealed and tried but to no avail. took matters to his own hands, sought support from the only other ideology that would support him, motherfucker went commie. got cheap ass ripped off gmc trucks from russia circa 1940, got hand-me down artillery and guns. decided to play guerilla war with giap saying his army would be “everywhere and hidden” like gorillas in the mist. hard ass fighting breaks out, french get spanked left to right, getting spanked good and nasty up and down from orlean to hanoi, they bitch and moan to the United States of America, “we goin’ have no choice but to turn red and suck mr stalins dick if you don’t help”. come the time of dien bien phu, the franchies get their assholes ramrodded and spit roasted in all directions. every tree hill and rock turned into fire. soon Uncle SAm took the bait eventually. sometime after an agent was shot dead by ching chang and click clack confusing him with frenchies, much to mr. Ho’s chagrin. 1/2
>>614901362/2We start off supporting a traitorous asshole who we betray for an even bigger asshole, plunges vietnam into war for itself. we send combat advisors. eventually our combat advisors number in the tens of thousands, Kennedy refuses to acknowledge we are escalating, mac namara refuses to say how grim it is. and the habit continues until we are so balls deep in it we knotted the bitch.
don’t get me started on Nixon’s dominoes
>>61490636It’s fun seeing such a wildly different interpretation of the world. Really makes me feel better, in a weird way
>>61490092biggest military disasters in history, definitive list1. Napoleon's invasion of Russia2. Stalingrad/Operation Uranus3. Cannae
>>61499751>Stalingrad/Operation UranusI was under the impression that that was a great success for the Soviets.
>>61499829it's a massive disaster for the krauts, not the soviets.
>>61491853Ah yes, this part>3 Moses said to the people, “Remember this day on which you came out of Egypt, out of a house of slavery. For it was with a strong hand that the Lord brought you out from there. Nothing made with leaven may be eaten. 4 This day on which you are going out is in the month of Abib.[a] 5 Therefore, when the Lord, your God, has brought you into the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Perrizites, the Girgashites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he swore to your ancestors to give you, a land flowing with milk and honey, you will perform the following service[b] in this month. 6 For seven days you will eat unleavened bread, and the seventh day will also be a festival to the Lord. 7 Unleavened bread may be eaten during the seven days, but nothing leavened and no leaven may be found in your possession in all your territory. 8 And on that day you will explain to your son, ‘This is because of what the Lord did for me when I came out of Egypt.’ 9 It will be like a sign[c] on your hand and a reminder on your forehead, so that the teaching of the Lord will be on your lips: with a strong hand the Lord brought you out of Egypt. 10 You will keep this statute at its appointed time from year to year.The footnote on C reads:>Sign: while here observance of the feast of Unleavened Bread is likened only metaphorically to a physical sign of one’s piety that can be worn as a kind of badge in commemoration of the exodus, from ancient times Jews have seen in this verse also the basis for the wearing of phylacteries. These are small receptacles for copies of biblical verses which Jewish men bind to the arms and forehead as a kind of mnemonic device for the observance of the Law.So it seems I also misremembered, rather than rules-lawyering it's just something extra they chose to do.
>>61490636>this will bring out the shills en masseHow about not writing fantasies to begin with, zhill
>>61499277>>61499303Meds.
>>61491416Not a wheraboo but didn't Manstein or Halder maybe? decide to use 6th army to attack Stalingrad on a whim and completely disregard the southern objective? The oilfields? Which is the main economic reason why Germany had to invade the USSR when they did because of oil constraints?
>>61490737Shut up fag. Dont defend gay niggers just laugh as they slap each other
>>61491280Why didnt we smack those frogs silly? France has the worst fucking petty jealous attitude when they should suck our burgercock for saving their ass
>>61502709>Why didnt we smack those frogs silly? France has the worst fucking petty jealous attitude when they should suck our burgercock for saving their assYour name is probably Pablo della Pizza Von Adolfstein ibn Kebab from New York oblast.In WW1 more US troops died from the Spanish flu they imported in Europe than from combat. More European civilians died from the Spanish flu than soldiers did from the war.In 1918 Wilson demanded that France do not expel German colonists who had ousted the French civlians from their homes in Alsace and Lorraine in 1871. Wilson also demanded that France give away the military port of Brest to the USA. He obvously got denied.In 1938-1940 most of the weapons paid by France to the USA were never delivered. In 1941 the USA got close to Vichy and tried to impose the Vichyst Général Giraud as a de facto leader of free France against the legitimacy of De Gaulle. In 1944 US G.I.s carried fake money printed in the USA with them. The goal was to submerge the French economy with fake Francs to undermine France and take control of it through the AMGOT. French authorities stopped that. In response the USA forced France to pay the wage of American soldiers stationed on French territories.US inaccurate bombings killed around 50k French civilians. The first time Napalm was used by the USA was against French civilians, 1500 of whom died.France tried to stop the USA from engaging in Iraq in 2033 and is still punished for this. The US taxpayers lost trillions of dollars, dozens of thousands of US service members died as well as Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi. ISIS was born from this chaos, a threat more dangerous than al Qaida. All for the sake of stealing Iraqi oil while claiming to look for WMDs.Yet the US still blame France.There were more French soldiers and more casualties among the French at Yorktown in 1776 than there were US casualties.tl;dr: mange ma baguette.Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
>>61490092The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, I don't think it's ever been a good idea to start a war when your nation is already teetering on economic collapse. Seems to usually result in things getting worse
>>61505782>In 1938-1940 most of the weapons paid by France to the USA were never delivered.perhaps something had happened that made it impossible to deliver this material?
>>61490219Die kike
>>61498063I love the Macron edit, it is so funny.
>>61490802Shabbat Shalom rabbi!
>>61490465I find it funny that your ancestors were cooked in ovens lol
>>61490775>so upset with a worthless ally that they actually just outright murdered the guy in chargeDiem was the only one capable of holding South Vietnam together
>>61490103not going into combat in summer shirts and shooting at T34s with fucking 20 mm AP shells
>>61491275The USSR's capabilities were so great they needed the US to dump trucks, fuel, aircraft, aviation fuel, locomotives, rolling stock, clothes, and tanks on them in order to mount a defence nearly a thousand miles from the pre-invasion border.
>>61490111Germans were bleeding soldiers and equipment and Halder was talking about the war being lost as early as August.
