Is it safe to say now that this thing is dead in the water and will never see service in any significant numbers?
Yeah
https://files.catbox.moe/juf16w.mp4cope
If NATO keeps sending weapons to Ukraine, Russia will have no choice but to take off the gloves...
>>62908660>nowIt was safe to say the moment they unveiled it
>>62908660Russian vapourware thread?
>>62908660Russia's sole opportunity to field a tank that isn't over three decades old is currently sitting on a showroom floor in Pyongyang.
Remember when pidors had another wunderwaffe called T-15 or something?
>>62908663Why is the tank screaming?
>>62908747Why wouldn't the tank scream?
>>62908700I remember reading about the weird marketing propaganda they did on this bomb. They'd say shit like "It's a sci-fi vacuum bomb that will suck your lungs out of your throat."
>>62908754If I was Russian then I would be screaming too.
>>62908765It's exaggerated like all propaganda but thermobaric weapons CAN cause a partial vacuum as the wavefront of burning fuel cools and collapses in on itself. The propaganda part is that in reality anyone close enough to be affected by the vacuum is already very, VERY dead from the regular shockwave.
>>62908663Wow a single T-14 on a training ground. Let us know when there's 500 of them.
>hype>Cope CGI>Vaporware>IOC date that is always around the corner yet always delayed for some reason or another>""""""""""""""""leaked"""""""""""""" photos>Project gets frozen quietly afterwards>rejected even by 3rd world shitholes that you'd assumed would be amazed by such weaponsIs this all there is to Russian military projects from now on?
>>62908660They will parade it in KievScreen this
>>629088623 days from now.
With the explosive increase in funding and constant reports of it being tested it’s safe to say that they’re trying to resurrect the program. Remember that the Russian army didn’t want it and they only bought a few for parades to lure buyers so Rostec could finish its development and make it into something the army wanted. Now that money is flying all around the Russian MIC it’s safe to assume the T-14 will finally come out. It’s much too late because tanks in general are obsolete but it’ll excite the War Thunder base of /k/ nonetheless.
>>62908856>Russia spends ten years and can't even make a functioning trassmisson or put it in a parade without it catching fire>Kim is doing donuts in his and already has a newer version >>62908973The only new tank Russia will see in the next ten years comes with a manual written in Choson-Gul.
>>62908663OP could just use this instead his pic and message would be same
How many of you are butthurt belters?
>>62908862>2025>Armata is shown on the victory parade in Kyiv>but there is a nuance...
When will he join the fight?
>>62908862They eventually send some to attack, it will be abandoned. And it would be desperate attack before zigeria falls apart
>>62908973Did you all collectively forget that the t-14 was publicly defunded already?
>>62908663holy hell what a piece of shit kek
>>62908725Yes, it's the same thing but with a IFV turret.What I don't get is why they couldn't roll out picrel. It's a fucking APC, surely even russia can make one of those.
>>62909708Holy crackers Batman, Russia invented a cargo cult version of their own BTRs! Nigeria BTFO!
>>62908993Imagine being so low IQ you fall for North Korean propaganda
>>62908993T-62 on bodykit.I would rather fight in a Sabra or Arjun.
>>62909708>surely even russia can make one of those.You see Artyom, if we take money and use to buy yachts instead Well then we have yachts and Army will get by without those new BTRs
>>62908660I almost feel bad for the designers. This was ahead of its time in 2014-16 when being unveiled, but FPV drones killed it so quick. Curious to see how different countries will tackle the drone threat, haven't seen them convergence towards a standard solution yet. Personal guess is unmanned turrets with an even heavier focus on hard-kill APS capable of high elevations. Armata can't easily be retrofit to deal with threats coming from the top, which is ironic considering the modular platform it is built on.
>>62910075The latest Nork tanks have been conclusively proven to be available in more than single digits and we have direct proof that they are capable of going an entire parade route without catching fire, this makes them better than any new Russian designs from the last thirty years.>>62910433And where is the drivers hatch on a T-62 and how many road wheels does it have?>/k/: Fails at counting past five
>>62908663nigga this shit was posted in may 2022its been almost 3 years of war if this tank was anything more than a shitbox propaganda tool it would see combat
>>62910530>Ahead of its timeDoesn’t it have a modified World War Two engine and non electronic optics for the driver or some bananas shit like that?
>>62911077In theory the driver uses a flatscreen linked to the turrets sensors i believe. In practice they stick their head out.
>>62911077>Doesn’t it have a modified World War Two engineNo, and Lazerpig is a retard with a channel too big for his limited brain. Claiming that an engine configuration is a proof of lineage is not only stupid, but bordering on misinfo. The Armata engine Does a Cessna have a Porsche engine because it is a boxer? >non electronic optics for the driverLMAO russians are actually retarded and I take back the "ahead of its time" part, doesn't that kinda kill the concept of an armored cell?
>>62908660Maybe in 15-20 yrs from now. And that's a very big "maybe".
>>62908747It's filled with Russians, therefore it feels despair. Hence the screams.
>>62908660Um, i has question?Shouldn't a tank with a fully automated turret that is entirely dependant on it's sensors to function have a bore evacuator to keep the inside from filling with corrosive smoke?
>>62908660It's too expensive to mass produce and is still actively in development. Give it 5-10 years at least. It's meant to be next gen and lessons of war change definition of next gen tank everyday
>>62908660All the things the platform brings, modern composite Armour, current gen thermals and a modern fire control system are things that require modern computers and sophisticated electronics manufacturing capabilities, most notably the thermals. Russia has almost no ability to manufacture even old Gen thermals and struggles with producing new t90 hulls, they simply can't produce any of the technologys that make a modern tank a modern tank. It'll just be shitting out more t90s and retrofitting older hulls with upgrade packages
>>62910577why is best korea so superior bros? I bet putin is BEGGING kim to let him play with these new toys
>>62911341What is inside the 'armor package'? Bricks? Sand?
>>62911415The ERA is filled with emergency rations that will be sent to the crews families if they survive the battle. Don't get hit if you want mee maw to survive the winter.
>>62908660that's the same for all future tanks, anon.tanks are finally dead and buried.we're in the drone and missile timeline.
>>62911463>we're in the drone and missile timeline.Then we make an armoed tracked vehicle that carries drones, missiles and anti-drone and anti-missile weapons.Maybe add some armor. Maybe a medium to big gun, plus a machine gun or three.
>>62911177Glad to hear Lazerpig shit talk, he’ll make a forty five minute video about how the people who hate the F35 are just all talk, and he literally mentions no facts or stats or anything but his opposing opinion the whole video
>>62911415Pretty much nothing is known about this tank. Its speculated that China and Russia spent the latter part of the 2010s transferring technology to NK so they could build this tank. The armament is the same 2A46 gun (likely licensed built variant) that Russia uses. It can be inferred from this that it can use modern Chinese/Russian ammo that posses the capability to defeat current NATO MBTs. The armor is likely from the Chinese and at the very least likely real composite armor. its not cutting edge but if the Chinese helped, the upper front plate can likely stop shaped charges and a significant amount of NATO ammunition. The ERA is imported directly from China so its performance is to be as advertised. This tank is a legitimate threat due to its armament but the real mystery is its electronics. I highly doubt the APS system is functioning but it could have a serviceable gun stabilizing system and Chinese thermals.Unlike the T-14, this thing is likely not a joke which is hilarious. worst korea will still have no issue popping these things as NK does not posses any way of using MBTs in a post drone/top attack age but NK deserves credit where credit is due
>>62911341>>62911415>>62911438>>62911530The 2020s seem to be a prototype tech demonstrator, they showed off the final version a few days ago. The shell over the origional probably just covered the wiring harness for all the sensors/systems. They discarded the Russian style APS for twin APS turrets, you can see how there is a modified Songun-ho turret under there as well as the eyebrows. They have three basic 'modern' tank designs, this new thing seems to be them combining all the features into one model.Worth noting they tested one of those drones on a stripped down Songun-ho hulls/turrets last week so they are willing to use one of their designs from a few years ago as target practice. >>62911530The fact that they have four man crews (i.e a loader) makes them instantly better than Russian tanks. Without a autoloader and a turret bustle it can use one piece 125mm ammo which in theory should be the best anti tank gun on earth ASSUMING the ammo itself was decent.I am not entirely sure i approve of it not having AA missiles and how KPV-Chan has been abandoned, i would have at least gone with a dual 30mm AGL/14.5mm RWS. It feels WRONG to see a Nork tank without MANPADs and a KPV bolted to it, very wrong. If you don't have 14.5mm are you even a true Nork? I fear that we have strayed far from Sungs vision of a KPV in every home.....
>>62911530>2A46 gunNo autoloader, 4 man crews. That is a major thing for a dozen reasons.
>>62911575>The gunner is on the left and has a side vision blockNeat>>62911530>NK does not posses any way of using MBTs in a post drone/top attack ageLook at the top armor blocks >>62911575 and APS not to mention it is equipped with top attack ATGMs. They aren't stupid and people who assume that about their foes tend to lose wars. Also it is literally in front of a table full of drones.
>>62911575fear not the MANPADS and other random shit will likely reappear in future parades>>62911582you can have the 2A46 gun without craptastic autoloading system. Its clear that the Norks took inspiration from the M1 Abrams. Not only is the manually loaded gun just flat out better than the autoloading carousel, its way simpler for NK to manufacture which adds to the tanks legitimacy.
It's a shame, the T-14 was a nice tank, but they could never quite get it past the testing stage which is why only about 20ish of them exist and none of them are truly finished. As it stands, afaik China is the only country with an actually finished next generation century tank (that I have doubts as to how good it actually is as China has never had to fight anyone besides unarmed dissidents in its own country for decades)
>>62911605>fear not the MANPADS and other random shit will likely reappear in future parades>You built a semi functional economy while we built KPVs>You built a global Emipre while we built KPVs>We squandered any good will the nations ofdthe world had towards us to steal equipment to make KPVs>You built a semi functioning agricultural system while we built KPVs>We starved by the millions just to build KPVs>And now that NATO is at the gates you want our KPVS?>YES>Oh thank Sung, we were really worried all this 14.5mm API was going to go to waste>>62911605>you can have the 2A46 gun without craptastic autoloading systemThat seems to be exactly what they are doing which isn't a bad idea. I see no reason they can't use manually loaded two piece 125mm or even put in a seperate bustle, just manually loaded. At the same time it gives them the option for one piece APDS which as mentioned might in theory be the best gun on earth. Worth noting something that many folks haven't thought of: The DPRK's nuclear program is advanced enough that they should have a few thousand tons of DU to use as penetrators or even armor. You don't even have to use DU for it, just plain Uranium will work. In his book Albert Speer mentioned that because Germany's atomic program was going no where he released a few hundred tons of base uranium metal as AP penetrators near the end of the war.>>62911661 >20ish of them existMore like 6-7>China is the only country with an actually finished next generation century tank *AHEM*Please note the conversations going on in this thread, i'd chose Kim's latest demonstration model over a PRC tank and day and twice on Sungsday. Iran/Iraq, Ethiopia, Africa, Angola, Vietnam, Egypt, Syria, Sudan, Russia. The DPRK has more real instutional combat experiance than the PRC at this point and are about to gain a huge amount of it very quickly
>>62911530>from China >performance is to be as advertisedsomebody is in for an unwelcome surprise.and a significant emotional event
>>62911575What is actually interesting about this tank are the cheek mounted radars. There is no way in hell that NK are manufacturing AESA panels domestically, no matter how large the cells are. I honestly even doubt that Russia has the capacity to produce them, given the PESA equipping the relatively modern Su-35. Either this tank is HEAVILY dependent on chinese imports, or it is a paper tiger.
>>62911605The story of how the DPRK first got one of those is hilarious. >USSR sells to both sides in Iran/Iraq war>'Don't show this to the DPRK, we will cut you off because they just steal stuff so nothing funny or else!'>Iranians use Koksans to disable a bunch of entrenched Iraqi T-72s, blow a bunch to bits but capture a few>Give the DPRK a Russian supplied licence built Iraqi kit built T-72 complete with 2A46 >Russians complain>Iran: But it isn't your tank, it is Iraqi. Why would a Russian tank be in Iraq?>Russia shuts up>DPRK examines tank, rejects everything but the gun.
>>62911718China is like 95% of NK's trade so duh
>>62911661the Chinese tanks are shit desu. the absolute best tanks in the world are the German Leo 2A7, Swedish Stridsvagn 122, Japanese Type 10 and US M1A2 SEP v3 with the worst Korean K2 Panther an unproven contender as well. NATO/JAROKUS vehicles completely outclass Chinese/Russian designs >>62911686the Russian/Chinese ammo is no where near the best in the world. Germany and Japan have been battling over that title for the past 10 years. Whats available to the Cheonma-2 however is sufficient to frontally defeat NATO/JAROKUS vehicles which is what matters.>>62911711ERA is simple to produce and it works against HEAT/shaped charges. Its not an end all solution but China and Russia are capable of producing adequate ERA and supplying it to NK.
>>62911686>The DPRK has more real instutional combat experiance than the PRC at this point and are about to gain a huge amount of it very quicklyYeah but how much use will they get out of it ultimately when they can't even do the one thing their army is actually for?
>>62911718North Korean's tanks displayed during their military parades are the military hardware equivalent of a Potemkin Village. There are no modern electronics in it, it's just all a sham to keep American and South Korean intel analysts second-guessing themselves.
>>62911730You are missing the point. China doesn't share its radar tech. It hasn't shared them with Russia. It carefully guards its aircraft exports, only Pakistan got J10.It'd be a very significant event if they are sharing this tech with the Norks.
>>62911730The more I think about it, the more I am starting to doubt China is actually sending them AESA panels or any APS equipment at all. Their domestic tanks don't even have it! The NK charge launchers also don't look remotely close to the chinese GL-5 ones, a lot closer to the israeli Trophy. Regardless of stereotypes, I doubt the israelis would go THAT far to earn some extra cash. Also feels like China would send a package, very odd to send one component of the system but neglect another part. This is a weak and uninformed observation, but the panels look a lot thinner than both western and russian ones. Really doubting that this APS is real now.
>>62911718Don't discount Juche, autisim and sheer determination. Those could be hand made, i recall reading a article about them teaching students how solar panels were made by having them hand solder the cells together then epoxy and press the sheets together as a learning excercise. If there is a simplistic brute force way to do something they will find a way.>>62911730Oh no, it isn't. China isn't stacking pallets of gold in Pyongyang and half the trade with China is as middle men, Russia uses it's trade with China to buy Kim stuff like his greenhouse lights and CnC equipment.>>62911734>the Russian/Chinese ammo is no where near the best in the world. Germany and Japan have been battling over that title for the past 10 years. Whats available to the Cheonma-2 however is sufficient to frontally defeat NATO/JAROKUS vehicles which is what matters.What you said. Russian/PRC ammo sucks, i think the Norks are trying to do better. They are reaching for the moon but seem to have a plan. Note their space program includes 'moon base' as a 30 year goal.>Salutes crew of first manned DPRK space launch, RIP men who have the biggest balls on earth>>62911753The current war is artillery, posturing and low training soldiers. The Norks have artillery, posturing and highly trained soldiers. So far Russia's biggest problem is their soldiers are garbage, from what we have seen the Norks don't suck. How do the Norks tip the war? Having a functional force above a battalion. A single Nork armored division like the 105th would smash the entire front, yes they would get hit with everything NATO/Ukraine could throw at them but they would make a big hole. Unfortunatly for Russia i doubt their ability to back up that spear tip.>>62911761>>62911790Source: your ass.>>62911795The DPRK and PRC don't exchange anything these days, they are in a semi cold war.
>>62911795>Really doubting that this APS is real now.That's because it isn't. NK's military complex is essentially a modern day cargo cult.
>>62911802>Source: your ass.So far you haven't posted any proofs of your wild-ass claims either, you nigger Nork apologist.
>>62911802>NK cultist retard shows upyeah
>>62911795>I doubt the israelis would go THAT far to earn some extra cash.You mean the Gin Glider designs Hamas used? The Israeli drones the DPRK is showing off? The newly made North Korean ammo that the USA keeps seizing and giving to Ukraine after it was left lying around some warehouse in Sudan/UAE?When North Korea stabs you iun the back, they twist it hard.>>62911815Please post proofs of yours first.>>62911819You are just jealous because i'm more fun and entertaining not to mention more intellectually stimulating than you. Image related, me just ignoring insults and listening to some bomb ass tunes while talking about weapons:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKsj5mCR7qs
>>62911802>Don't discount Juche, autisim and sheer determination. Those could be hand madeSadly they can't, especially with TRMs as small as they need to be for a panel of that size to be effective. At a minimum they'd need a domestic advanced semiconductor fab to produce the MESFETs needed for the individual cells. Also worth noting that they'd need quite sophisticated computer chips to make use of said AESAs, and I doubt a russian elbrus could handle it fast enough for an APS.>The current war is artillery, posturing and low training soldiers. The Norks have artillery, posturing and highly trained soldiers. Underrated aspect of the PRC army actually. The benefit of Juche and an authoritarian regime is that they can force a much longer military service on their citizens, which in turn gives superior training compared to others. Their artillery also seems incredibly non-shiity compared to the rest of their equipment and is one of the few areas where it is comparable to the south korean versions. Also very interested at how their future soldier program will develop, and if it is just for show (like the APS lol), I have seen some pics of the small arms they have shown off but not much else.
>>62911848>At a minimum they'd need a domestic advanced semiconductor fab to produce the MESFETs needed for the individual cellsThey have that, it isn't very good but they do. The failure rate was really high as of a decade ago when i last examined the issue but they have a chip foundry that can emulate a pentium 3/4. I am sure that i am using antiquated terms but they can make soild state components, it just isn't cost effective. It's like how technically they can make a Mig-29 and all the parts including a completely new aircraft but it is too expensive. It is cheaper and more effective to buy, trade or steal. Just because they chose to buy, trade or steal doesn't mean they can't do it however. I think we are about 50 years past the point where the DPRK's ability to aquire technology is in doubt. >Underrated aspect of the PRC army actually. The benefit of Juche and an authoritarian regime is that they can force a much longer military service on their citizens, which in turn gives superior training compared to others. Their artillery also seems incredibly non-shiity compared to the rest of their equipment and is one of the few areas where it is comparable to the south korean versions.I asssume you meant 'DPRK' instead of 'PRC' there.Everyone looks at the Norks threatening the USA and they never think: If the DPRK can threaten the USA what could they do to the PRC? Bejing is much closer than DC and is on a very narrow front. PRC vs DPRK would be a nightmare for the PRC, the Norks would fight them to a standstill and hit half the cities in China with no real response. The Norks could even push, cross the Yalu and force 25 million PRC citizens to flood their transport system via the simple fact that nothing makes rational people evacuate an area more than the words 'Impending North Korean Military occupation'
>>62911530>from China so its performance is to be as advertised.I've seen egirls that are smarter than you, holy shit
>>62908765>>62908798This cope weapon made it into Red Alert kek
>>62911887>Norks would fight them to a standstill and hit half the cities in China with no real response. The Norks could even push, cross the Yalu and force 25 million PRC citizens to flood their transport system via the simple fact that nothing makes rational people evacuate an area more than the words 'Impending North Korean Military occupation'Being real here, China would probably wipe the floor with NK. The only thing NK has as an advantage is nooks.
>>62908660It will service once trump gives russia some breathing space and freezes conflict.>>62908672Should you be gloating right now? Especially since you have your shill running cia right now?
>>62912084>It will service once trump gives russia some breathing space and freezes conflict.So never!
>>62912188More like soon
>>62912070No. The Norks own the Yellow Sea and it is a Nork missile/sub slaughterhouse. They can kill most of the PRCs ships there with coastal artillery. The PRC cannot 'nooook' the DPRK, that is not a option. In a land conflict the PRC would face the DPRK over the Yalu at first over a very narrow front, the DPRK would have overwhelming local supreamacy. The DPRK could even use it's chemical weapons with near impunity. The PRC would be forced to fight the DPRK on the DPRKs terms and the DPRK would get rapid support, probably from the USA. The PRC would get bogged down in a nightmare siduation, if you look at the area on a map where a PRC/DPRK conflict would happen it sucks to be china. You want a horror show? Try the nightmare of the PRC trying to fight from their border to Pyongyang while the Norks unload thousands of tons of chemical weapons and you can't do shit because they might nuke you. Imagine the battle of Pyongyang.It isn't going to happen, ever.
>>62912237Felate your fat inbred despot elsewhere you pathetic shitstain. Christ you are insufferable.
>>62912220>More like soonHA HA!You think Trump is just going to kill this golden goose for the United States Military Industrial Complex?!
>>62912270>MIC is reliant on imports that trump is planing to killYes, all of his talking points show that he does
>>62912243No, Juche is a terminal infection. On the bright side we don't like Russia and are sort of pro USA i guess?
>>62912284Buddy, the system will throw his ass out of the White House faster than you can say Iran-Contra!You do realize WHY those MIC Contracts are such huge grafting operations for a REASON, right?!
>>62911994you think china doesn't have functional ERA? that's the hottest take in this thread
>>62913578I'm sure China can make working ERA.BUt if China will make a workign ERA block specifically for export to North Korea, inspect it, ship it and deliver it without anybody just stealing the explosives, the metal or both along the way is a better question.Or if maybe after delivery, somebody in North Korea decides that it's better to just sell the explosives and replace them with a block of clay.And then the tank still has to be moved through Russia.
>>62912237>DPRK can use chemical weapons but PRC won't for some reason>DPRK has a better Navy than PRC>USA would support DPRKActual Brain worms
>>62915230>And then the tank still has to be moved through Russia.Retard
>>62911497So, a Gepard with Stinger pods and an armored flatbed to carry drones?
>>62908844>Wow a single T-14 on a training ground. Let us know when there's 500 of them.>500weren't there supposed to be like 1500 of them by now?
>>62917264>So, a Gepard with Stinger podsalready there
>>629174752300 of them by 2020!https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-just-announced-how-many-deadly-t-14-armata-tanks-it-22085
>>62915923I wonder if it's a new troll tactic to shut out organic debate by changing the topic (North Korea instead of Russia) and flooding threads with schizo nonsense. (Even that isn't allowed to be debated rationally)
>>62909177>tactical robotic vodka delivery to the battlefield.
Not until there are real anti-missile hard-kill point-defense systems at a single tank scale, with acceptable cost and not shooting the heads off nearby friendly infantry when they talk or have a smoke
>>62917568Which begs the question, why arent those systems available yet.Combining a simplified robot arm and a gun seems like a mature enough technology at this point
>>62917568>>62917573Like Anon said, it's hard to get a targeting system that won't mistake friendly infantry for an incoming missile.
Nearly every major Russian arms project goes the same way>produce prototype>brag about how amazing it is and how the west can't compete>produce less than 20>abandone project because it either doesn't work or if it does work Russia can't afford to field it>>62908663>In March 2024, the CEO of Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, finally confirmed that the tank has never been deployed in Ukraine for being too expensive and the T-90 being a more efficient option
>>62908660Untill 152 mm version is ready - yes it is.
>Uses the same engine as the fucking porsche tiger>You know, the one which randomly set on fire all the time and barely workedHow did the Russians fuck up so badly?!
>>62917901>Uses the same engine as the fucking porsche tigerIt doesn't, a couple of retards have made that claim based on the same engine layout and cylinder count. By that logic my YZF-R6, a Toyota Corolla and a Mercedes-AMG M139 have the same engine.
>>62908660Their entire military export arms model is vaporware.
>>62917892Don't forget the americans panic about your propaganda because they are autists who don't understand propaganda and build something that can counter the propaganda wunderwaffe that doesn't actually exist.
>>62915923PRC doesn't really have chemical weapons and the Yellow Sea is a well known death trap, shore based anti ships can hit their targets while they are still in their docks.
>>62917982Ah, the MIG-25/F-15 effect.
>>62918711what?
