>Meanwhile, some idiots are still building manned fighter jets like the F-35 Elon is right, the future of warfare are chink made drone swams: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1860574377013838033?s=19
>>62916938>Meanwhile, some idiots are still building manned fighter jets like the F-35Your social credit score will take a hit for criticizing the PLAAF like that.
Wow, I'm so glad I live in a first world country without conscription or a draft
>>62916938No prison time reduction for you. What a shit thread.
Based Elon, he should defund NGAD, F-35 and B-21 programs since they're money sinks and invest all of It on drones, UCAVs and Startship
>>62916938>Elon is right>the guy that wants to scrap all tanks without any replacement to help infantry deal with garrisoned buildingsElon is a great marketer, not a great thinker.
Implessive
A large amount of drones being used at once in a coordinated manner? What a novel concept!
Wow, drones doing a pre-programmed routine? AMAZING.
>>62916938>tfw Elon is gonna shill for china constantly for the next 4 years since they can ruin him at any time by shutting down his megafactory
>>62916938Ah yes, the tech Genius Elon Musk. I remember when he revolutionized transportation by building the hyperloop, or when he completely changed excavation by buying a bog-standard boring machine and building exactly one tunnel that just used his cars to drive people around. Oh, remember that time when he made space travel so much cheaper by charging the exact same as what the Shuttle cost? Or remember when he took us to Mars in Starship and didn't just dump money into the Indian Ocean? Or what about that time he put Grimes in a robot suit and totally revolutionized the robotics industry? Let's not forget that one time he saved those kids in a cave with his sub. Dumb Pedo Guy thought he was slick. Yep, Elon Musk is a genius, and I will absolutely call it X any time now.
>>62917133Yeah, and he's now in charge of US military and government spending...
>>62916938Imagine seeing/hearing that shit on the battlefield and they're all armed with a payload. Holy fuck we won't be able to resist any tyrannical government soon, and things are looking like they're heading that way.
>>62917186He's not. Notably, his retarded DOGE thing is not a part of the government. That didn't stop him from labeling himself as such on twitter. At most, you could call it a think tank.
>>62916938what's the range on those?can they attack a target that's 500km from the front line? or 5000km? oh...
>>62917217I have never thought that guy was a genius. I thought he was a good businessman. I still think there's something to that, but the man started huffing his own farts a long time ago. On the other hand, the only reason you like him is because you think he's a conservative. I, unlike you, know better, and know that he isn't interested in ideology as much as he's interested in you thinking he's cool (and making a lot of money). I am a conservative, anon. I'm just not a contrarian, which is why I won't like Elon Musk ever, and I like big cars with big engines, so he can go fuck himself on the one thing he did right as well.
>>62916938Why would anyone take Elon's advice for anything military related? The guy is a total fucking midwit trying to be expert in 500 subjects.
>>62916938A wing of F-35s would knock that toy swarm out of the skies, assuming a stiff breeze doesn't first.
>>62916938this is impressive, and surely on pair with the WW2 uprise of aircraft carriers as king of the hill. Endless waves of kamikaze and electronic sabotage drones is something we will witness once the conflict really burst out. However, I wonder how advanced we are with the concept of land war drones, humanoid like or spider, or dog. these interest me greatly.
>>62917327>the top 10% holds approximately 67% of China's wealthDoesn't seem very collectivist to me.
>>62917305Will the F-35s be able to take off when their airbase is rekt by drone swarms?
>>62917231Now that he's both "based" (despite doing nothing to change, just switching some buzzwords around) and can't stop glazing the multipolar world, we're only going to hear more of him from now on.
>>62917305Im pretty sure you just need a signal jammer or radio blocker and they all fall out of the sky.
>>62916938You are now aware that F-15s can already release drone swarms
>>62917346When you realize how the Chinese operate society economically you realize how truly retarded they are.Also the inability to admit wrongdoing because it saves face only exacerbates easy to solve problems.The great leap forward made Chinese some of the dumbest motherfuckers for arbitrary social reasons because they are actually smart people but limited by retarded social faus pas and government having a petrological need to control literally everything.No the Chinese will just fade into irrelevance as manufacturers bring factories and prosperity to other cheap labor Asian countries like Vietnam.
>>62917356government having a pathological need to control literally everything.***
>>62917366You are literally British
>>62917334Where are these drone swarms launching from that they can hit US air base?
>>62916938>You can deal with drone swarm using napoleonic cannon with grapeshootReferencesHughes B P (1997) , Firepower, Weapons Effectiveness on the Battlefield 1630–1850 p. 167Dawson A L. Dawson P L and Summerfield S (2007) Napoleonic Artillery p235
>>62917366You're an overzealous child. Bugpeople will be squashed like the feeble, insects they are. They haven't fought a real war, all of their technology is an inferior copy of something which already exists, only somehow worse. China will never leave the mainland.
>>62917434>You're an overzealous child. Bugpeople will be squashed like the feeble, insects they are. They haven't fought a real war, all of their technology is an inferior copy of something which already exists, only somehow worse. China will never leave the mainland.t. MacArthur
>>62916938How many times do I have to post this video?https://youtu.be/pb5_F4_Eod8?si=8aVkHA82EfFKaDRxThis came out before the Ukrainian war.
>>62917473>we fought UN coalition forces from our own border to a draw, with 300,000 causulties, seventy five years ago
>>62917322I'm a robotic engineer (soon PhD hopeful lol) and I can tell you we are very far from having anything like terminator but I have a small collection of robots being used in wars if you like that
>>62917501NTA but post em
>>62917508here's the delivery system
>>62917501This is the stuff. Thank you, Sir engineer, god of Mecha
>>62917501>webmI still cannot believe how far ahead of their time these fucking things were.
>>62917547Let me get one of those. In fact let me get two of those
>>62917603>That one tanker wondering "How the fuck am I fitting in that thing?"
>>62917620Drone swarms I can see, but China fucking sucks at military grade robotics compared to the US AFAIK. That video is from a US civvie isn't it?
>>62917603>I still cannot believe how far ahead of their time these fucking things were>GoliathSame for V1 systems. They were way too far advanced with their theoretical concepts of war machines.
>>62917646Yeah, but its using a commercial Unitree robot dog (Chinese).Same stuff the PLA uses.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=482RbYWgwPk
>>62917217going to mars is braindead retardation, everyone with an once of intelligence know that the future of space colonization are o'neil cylindersmars is like some buzzword, a stupid concept, which only merit is that it's simple enough to get all the retards on board
>>62917655Unitree is btw one company that really needs to be kept under watch. They have the potential to become another DJI, in terms of commercializing and then dominating a sector of drone use (robotic drones)https://x.com/China_Fact/status/1858656127514538173Their first humanoid for household use will be released soon and it will cost only 16k
>>62916938>hi output microwave blast renders you obsolete
>>62917217>simping for this dipshitFuck off Elon simp, go dangle his autistic balls elsewhere. Dude is a hack drug addict.
>musk is trump's guy now that means everyone on 4chan has to suck his dick
>>62916938Forget about Elon Musk and the F-35In the next say 5-10 years how viable would it be to just saturate a battlefield with a swarm of simple hunter killer drones like this armed with enough explosives to kill infantry? Like I don't see how this doesn't make infantry obsolete, especially if you could drop them from the back of an aircraft
>>62917655imagine what will exist in 10 years time, imagine AI controlled spiders with all sorts of attack systems. If the fucker bobs down it is the size of a coffetable, when it spreads its legs it runs, jumps and fights better than anything you have ever seen, it has no fear, it takes its own decisions based of stats. It learns, and it has just one job: to rape yer buttWill the US of A government call up all fat gamers to fight back the Chinese drones?Do you really think you can beat the chinks at that?GOOD LUCK THERE; HOMIE!
>>62916938>Elon is right, the future of warfare are chink made drone swamsThen why are the chinks building so many manned stealth fighters? It's really interesting how the majority of the time retarded reformer/boomer concern trolling about military acquisitions is entirely divorced from what potential adversaries are actually investing in themselves.
>>62917709Go to bed Elon, you insufferable faggot.
>>62917730fuck do you have one for the J-35A already?
>>62916938I'm going to invent a missile that fires nets and then these toys are fucked.
>>62917731kekbut seriously no one hated him until he took over twitter, spacex is doing amazing things and the haters can go hate. anyway...to address OP, drones are clearly the biggest threat at low level /tactical level, but you're still going to need to control the higher altitudes and for that you need NGAD /B21 or similar (in a broad sense) category aircraft.
>>62916938Is DOGE going to be in charge of the Pentagon?
>>62917809elon's always been a a fag and the people who simp for him are retarded, then and now. He's willing to throw money at unorthodox ideas, which is commendable. It's unfortunately rare in the risk-averse environment of business today. But he personally is not a tech genius, tesla was created by other people that he pushed out afterwards and he is not the inventor of landable rockets. His OG idea for cheap space launch was buying old Soviet ICBMs kek (and maybe that was the CIA's idea, not his)
>>62917132That's gonna be the worst shit ever coming from him honestly and I really don't look forward to it
>>62916938my god Elon why can't you be normal for once
i wonder who's behind this shitty demo thread. one one hand, chinks seems more likely, since they're subtle as a brick to the face. but on the other hand indians love to worship billionaires. who knows. i only know that whoever made this shitheap deserves a nuclear holocaust.
>>62917346>centralized economy with the benefits of meritocratythis is literally the direct opposite of reality, I'm almost tempted to think this post is bait but it reeks of poltardation
>>62918006unless you explain to me why you think it is the direct opposite of reality, I must consider you spam
>>62917809Nah the Elon hate started back during that cave thing when he got all pissy because an actual expert in the field told him to stfu
>>62917429No! That's not how it works! You must let all those drones approach your thousand km faraway airbase without activating any AA so I can show you how cumplosive chink dlone spam is.
>>62917366Why are all chinks such tsundere femboys, I want to cuddle one.
>>62918190soon you will even feel his poweful 3.5 incher up yer pooper, son
>>62916947FPBPUnfortunately muskrat surrounds himself with sycophants and will never get shat on like this
>>62917707Do you actually understand how hard is to pull a drone swarm during wartime in battlefield conditions? A drone swarm is just a big target ready to be demolished by a large caliber bomb, large yield ammunition is the reason armies back during the cold war stopped consisting in large ww2 styled formations, it's the same reason why no one at ukraine can put more than some scores of men together unless they want to get a tungsten rain to their faces through cruise missile, all these shitty propaganda videos about drone are calling back Matrix Revolutions scene were you got tunnel fights and Zion forces were too stupid to use anything other than man-guided miniguns against a swarm of bots.
>>62917707>Forget about Elon Musk and the F-35Musk? Sure. The F-35? No.The fact that simple hunter killer drones can kill infantry cheaply is not an argument in favor of building nothing but simple hunter killer drones. Because simple hunter killer drones won't protect you from pic related. For that you either need advanced combat air-craft or heavy duty SAM networks.
>>62917603>Name tiny rolling landmine Goliath>Name fattest-assed tank MouseIs funny to me.
>>62917809I never liked him because he's like if Tony Stark were a plebbit mod instead of Iron Man>dude weed lmao, genetically engineered catgirlsAlso electric cars are mega gay
>>62918335and is how funny krauts can be with the language
>>62918335Humor was a dangerous game in Nazi-Germany.I can't remember who it was, but one of the top officers in the German army was at a meeting with Hitler and a bunch of other top brass from other branches of the military. Hitler asked the officer to swat a fly that was bothering him, and the officer replied with a joke that since the threat was airborne, swatting it was a job for the luftwaffe. Hitler was so fucking pissed at this smug joke that the officer was demoted to an enlisted man and sent to the eastern front as an infantry grunt.
>>62917186Stop this meme, DOGE is a pretend agency with no power whatsoever. The real battle will be the Project 2025 purges which will be political and legal. I think it will be an utter blow-out against Trump especially since the bureaucracy has 2 months to set up defenses but who knows maybe Trump’s team will have some level of victory so I will be following it closely. DOGE is just clown shit — but that’s all Elon wants to begin with. His business model is drawing attention, capturing public mindshare and converting that into investment. TDS commentators are pushing the idea that Elon bought Twitter just to get Trump elected, but that’s a cartoon-level take it’s obviously just to keep him on top of the hype game to keep investments rolling in. Elon basically bought a spot in the Trump team as a hail marry against the Liberal power structure which had aggressively against him and it happened to work out because 11 million Dem voters stayed home. Can’t wait to ay Told You So every day for the next 4 years.
>>62916938Elon, put down the bong.
>>62916938Now intercept a strike package flying at 10 kilometers above ground with those
>>62917132Wait till he (or better yet, whoever he got to post on his twitter) starts shilling for more Indians in the United States.>>62918628>he thinks Project 2025 is realHeritage spent the entire Trump government and his first election hating him. They have nothing to do with him.
>>62917710Will de US of A gobelment carr uppu arr of da fatt gamel to fight grorious chinese unity???
>>62918550>Hitler was a no-fun colossal faggotTo the surprise of nobody
>>62917701Unless Musk keeps quiet he's inevitably getting kicked off the team. Too much ego for one government...>>629178094chan has disliked Elon for much longer than that, thanks to his Reddit status.
>>62917133You're retarded. SpaceX received around 5.5 billion (inflation adjusted) in exchange for 14 CCP flights which is around 400 million a flight. The shuttle cost 585 million (inflation adjusted) per flight. You can hate Elon for many different reasons but you're brain damaged if you think SpaceX doesn't own the US/western launch services market at the moment.
>>62918698Are you fucking retarded? Read the shit in the picture. He clearly had a sense of humor.
>>62917305>>62918293>>62918663>It is laughably easy to take down fighter jets. “Stealth” means nothing if you use elementary AI with low light sensitivity cameras. They aren’t invisible.I guess the F-22, F-35, B-21 and NGAD should all be defunded according to Elon: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1860737804227281348
>suddenly a few anti F35 threads on the catalog very organic
>>62918782There's actually a non-zero chance with Trump in office and with this guy around the NGAD might in fact be completely defunded, and the B-21 will be the only 6th gen aircraft for the US in the short to medium term.
>>62916938
>>62918788Elon really thinks "Stealth" is a meme:>>62918782
>>62918719So not the 10x reduction in price he touted, correct? Tell me, do you think the HLS will actually be tested in 2025?
>>62918782>muh AI >muh light sensitivityYes, of course. Let's ignore the angular size of objects, variation in atmospheric temperatures, and the fact that those stealth aircraft have powerful radar, which are more effective than using a fucking optical sensor. Musk is such a fucking dipshit.
>>62918782Im sure AI will be able to see over the horizon, according to elon this kills the stealth
>>62918668The co-author Russell Vought got OMB, you were lied to retard
>>62918816Yeah and the space shuttle initially projected a launch cost of around 1000$ per pound. They were only slighty wrong I guess. I don't give a shit about what Elon says, and I don't give a shit about SpaceX's development schedule. I do care about retards like you trying to act like SpaceX hasn't done (not will do, done) anything for the US launch services market. And I realize now that it was an unfair comparison as I included development costs in the crew dragon launch cost. If you take the cost of just the two extensions the launch cost comes down to 285 million. Unless you want a true apples to apples comparison that includes development costs of the shuttle?
>>62916938Feels like the matrix, and we're waiting on the last second to set off the EMP. Can you EMP those, or just scramble them all with EOD equipment?
>>62918187>>62917429They're already swarming US bases during peacetime:https://www.twz.com/air/mysterious-drones-swarmed-langley-afb-for-weekshttps://www.twz.com/air/heres-what-norads-commander-just-told-us-about-the-langley-afb-drone-incursions
>>62918869The people who think the future of detection is AI simply “seeing” the plane also think this would be done from low earth orbit
>>62916938The future of warfare are chink made drone swamsSoulless future
>>62918920I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't doubt that SpaceX does provide a needed service for launches in the US. What my main complaint is the pathological nature of Musk's lying about literally every projection and timetable he has ever put forth. It's not that SpaceX doesn't deliver a product. It's that it will never deliver the product Musk says he can deliver. It's not that Tesla doesn't make cars that have some autonomous features. It's that Musk is actively lying when he says shit like you'll be able to buy a car that will make you money. This is my problem with him, and why I think he's got a cult of idiots worshiping a midwit. He's surely a great businessman. His net worth speaks for itself. What he is not is a particularly intelligent man when it comes to any subject outside of that, and this should be obvious to anyone. I do not expect that SpaceX will do the grandiose things he claims they will do. I think they will do what is generally possible with the American pool of talent, because in the end, most projects of this nature are competing over inches, not miles as he claims. Nothing he's done is miles better than the competition, other than the shameless self-marketing, and this is precisely what I have a problem with, especially when paired to his reddit cult.
>>62918959>shoots down your LEO satellite with stealth planes from own territory>shoots down your geostationary satellite with satellite based laser, kinetic kill vehicle, EMP bomb etc.>bombs your control centre with BMwhat now?
>>62918788i made this thread, not the one we're posting in now. go ouside and touch some grass you dumb faggot
>>62918788also, where the fuck did i say anything negative about the f35 i just simply asked a question you smoothbrain
>>62917007you're not a great thinker either, infantry will not be the future of warfare. >le garrisoned buildings buildings have windows. have one of your drones suicide bomb the window, have the remaining drones flood the hole, disperse evenly throughout the building and then blow themselves up to bring down whatever bullshit infantry you've amassed inside Fort Knox tower or whatever>we have resolved window issue blow open the door
>>62919013i drew this for reference
>>62918782reminder king retard here refuses to put lidar on teslas because he thinks cameras with ai vision can do it better
>>62918978I have no problem with you hating elmo. There are many valid reasons to hate elmo. You are indeed brain damaged if you worship elmo. What SpaceX did isn't just providing a needed service. ULA and Roscosmos were doing that just "fine". In this case SpaceX did provide something miles better (1/3 the $/kg of the Atlas V) than the competition. It provides a capability to the US that is without peer in the world for the moment. I take issue with you downplaying it because you don't like that Elon is a snake oil salesman. Not entirely because of you but because there's an equally large cult of redditors who are screaming to dismantle SpaceX and destroy that capability to spite him.
>>62919059he probably also doesn't want to strap a $5k sensor to his already expensive cars, the idea here is to try to make electric vehicles as financially feasible as gas ones
>>62918782So Musk doesn't comprehend that computer controlled Infrared search and track systems are 50-60 year old technology at this point? I'm not sure "muh AI" is supposed to magically counter most optical systems being more limited in range to radar.
>>62918983idk
>>62916938>ElonGuy is the poster child of knowing a lot of subjects just barely enough to form completely idiotic conclusions about them.
>>62917707>just saturate a battlefield with a swarm of simple hunter killer drones [...] especially if you could drop them from the back of an aircraftDamn they should make an aircraft to shoot down the aircraft that's transporting drones from far away enough that the drones don't have enough autonomy on their batteries to reach the frontline.They should also probably make it in a way that scatters radar waves so that get really close to the frontline without being shot down. And then it could fly into the enemy's airspace and bomb the runways where the cargo aircraft take off from.
>>62918782>thousands of people wanking him off despite being completely wrong and not understanding the point of stealthWe really are living in the idiocracy
>>62918983>Shoot down the ballistic missile warning satellite>Indirectly warn that ballistic missiles are launching or about to launchMission successfully failed
>>62918782>literal thirdie-tier understanding of stealth
>>62919307Have you seen how that man simps for China? He’s the S part of BRICS all by himself.
>>62917707>In the next say 5-10 yearsCome on now.>Perdix micro-UAV swarm demonstration held at China Lake, Calif. on Oct. 26, 2016.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUdVxJH6yI
>>62919318I just assume he's compromised. Caught on camera fucking a child, is the usual thing, is it not? Musk is enough of an autistic retard to fall for that.
>>62918782I think he's become terminally online or something. Dude's lost his edge. Even a midwit can see right through this. I wonder how long it'll be before he dies under questionable circumstances, now that he's outlived his usefulness
>>62919013>turns on EW jammer>drone falls out of the sky, providing free munitions for garrisoned troops>inb4 muh hardwired drones>drone control center easily tracked back by literally following the line, then bombed by expensive air assets that can't be jammed because blasting RF noise at them doesn't suddenly cause them to stop workingnothin personnel, kid
>>62919338He's rich enough not to care. It honestly seems more like he's growing detached from reality and is no longer able to think critically.
>>62917730>callsign: fagin'heh
>>62918797Nothing is gonna happen because Trump doesn't give a fuck what other people tell him, much less some greaseball stoner who sees him as the father figure he never had. More like Trump orders him around not the opposite.>>62919307>>62919346It goes without saying that its most likely not him posting on his xitter profile. People unfortunately think just because Trump uses twitter to shitpost all the other celebrities are themselves and not their obvious PR employees.
>>62919353you're super smart anon, I can't believe you made drones obsolete in warfare through your genius invention known as jamming. How could one bypass such a thing as external electrical interference?
>>62918782Great Elon! How will low light sensitive fucking cameras guide your AA missiles to a target barely violating stand off distance? How will you even notice there is a target before it drops their payload?
>>62919386No, you don't understand. IRST-pods will counteract your stealth so even though the F-22 launched on your aircraft without you ever detecting it, you're going to be alright!
>>62919307well he is a thirdie after all
>>62919374>It goes without saying that its most likely not him posting on his xitter profile.Guess that's viable, especially now that he's involved in politics. This anti-stealth nonsense always appeals to that third-worlder mindset that's getting unfortunately more popular in the West as well.
>>62919391>Be pilot>Look outside jet>See stealth plane with my own eyesNice stealth you got there, Yankee! No AI needed just china glorious eyesight.
>>62919353slightly more expensive but suicide bomb the EW jammer with a few of these puppies, don't need nothin', set it and forget it
>>62917133Starship payload is 4-5x that of the shuttle and the booster is reusable.
>>62919374Honestly the feed is too damaging to his person to be a professionally managed account. If this was a company, they would have fired the account manager by now
>>62919427>Starship payload is 4-5xWell, at the moment, it's fucking 0, since none of them have launched with a payload.
>>62919059>because he thinks cameras with ai vision can do it betterAugmenting optical systems with AI image recognition isn't a retarded idea. What's retarded is not understanding that even AI augmented visual detection at long range will be limited by>The resolution of your optical sensors>Having a large enough array of them to cover a wide area It doesn't matter if the image recognition software can recognize the image of a jet 100% of the time if you don't have sensors good enough to provide it an actual image of a Jet to recognize. And there's not much reason to think that kind of hardware would actually be cheap.I also suspect that in a world where the DoD wasn't spending shit loads of money on F-35's, fags like Musk would be sperging out over them buying loads of billion dollar patriot batteries to cover the air-defense role, and that budget propeller drones would be intercepting fighter jets at high altitude "somehow".
>>62919338China makes his batteries among a lot more, and he has a HUGE factory there. But, he is literally a cutout for the CIA, owned 100% by them. His original advisor (handler), Michael D. Griffin, was president and COO of In-Q-Tel, CIA's venture capital arm for US strategic interests, who just so happened to become NASAs administrator and give Musk $400 million for the Falcon-1 that was never proven, nor even built. Then gave Musk contract after contract for NASA launches. They also scalped the Northrop Grumman team that designed the rocket engine Musk uses for NASA, after NASA spent millions developing it, and had to shelf it. All SpaceX is, is NASA without having its funding controlled by Congress, or dictated what equipment they WILL use, or else. We see this with the SLS. NASA didn't want to use SLS parts to get to the moon, again, but Congress told them they had to use them because they already exist, were funded, and worked. Another neat note is Michael D. Griffin was a HUGE propionate of Brilliant Pebbles, and SDI space based weaponry.
>>62919330I still can't grasp why this isn't a finished product in use already.The writing was on the wall since the Syrian civil war with the heavy use of drones there. But before Ukraine I've only seen some bullshit technical demonstrations by the IDF, theoretical maybe in the future concepts and some weird catapult launched drones
>>62917547"General, what do our Western partners mean by 'You just know'?
>>62919338Nah. It’s a mixture of greedy economics and an autistic admiration of the strongman mentality. Some people are just two-faced.
>>62919037tfw attacking Hilbert hotel
>>62919524The Russo-Ukrainian war is the answer. The technical leaps in countering drone threats, the evolution in the sophistication of drones, and the developments in drone production all put the brakes on Western 'deliverables'. Have a look at the work Ukes put in to make Western and Chinese drones work in the battlespace now (Because otherwise they wouldn't) for this to make sense if it doesn't already.
>>62917547give doggu solar panel and an sniper rifle
>>62917603>proto mine 1915>working model 1942>wider scale production 2023an idea whombts time has come
>>62918782wait, by this logic drones are also worthless since elementary AI could just see them and shoot them down
