The leader of Azov did his first interview in a decade.Some interesting parts>Azov now numbers 20,000>has responsibility for about ~1/10 of the ENTIRE front>has priority access to weapon donations, recently received 42 vehicles and 11 howitzers>https://archive.ph/sg603
>In a marked shift from the rhetoric of his firebrand youth, where he rallied with speakers condemning gay people and migrants, he says he is now “mostly” prepared to protect their rights so his country can integrate more closely with Europe. “Strangely enough, we are now defending the rights of these people far more than if the Russians had come.”Is he lying or did he cuck out
>>64272454He's in a much higher position and both it and his personal well-being depend on not pissing off the West. He'll be keeping the sonnenrads to a minimum for now.
>>64272468Yeah I doubt a guy who up until the full scale invasion was organizing anti-fag marches and has gone on wignat rants changed much
>>64272470You'd be suprised, the strongest advocate for Iraqi democracy is a former jihadi who realised he had better odds of protecting his tribes interests in a democratic iraqI'm not saying thats whats happened here, but people can change
It will never not be hilarious that Ian from Forgotten Weapons chose JUST prior to the west deciding it didn't care about Azov's rhetoric to try to do a book deal with oneTwo or three months later and he would have made a fuckload of money
>>64272481Ive read the book. Its not really that offensive or blatantly neo nazi other than the word nigger appearing like 15 times spoken by a Greek member
>football fan club turns into fucking armyKinda hilarious, ngl
>>64272482Is it worth a read?
>>64272481Hindsight and all that. Still ridiculous he got so much flak over that at the time.>>64272483Turns out this game was a documentary all along.
>>64272487Definitely, it's not super long and it was an interesting look into how rag tag everything was back then in the early Donbas war. Its on libgen
>>64272489Within every Star of David there lies a swastika waiting to spread its wings.
>>64272490What's the actual title?
>>64272479I don’t think many people in this thread can say their the same person they were 10 years ago.
>>64272493The foreigner group. If it's not on the mirrors ill upload it on mega and post at some point
>>64272454I mean, if you can convince them to die for your cause, that's far better than having to kill them yourself. When put in the same situation, Wehrmacht managed to piss off everyone in Ukraine including those that would otherwise had been glad in aiding them kicking out the Soviets.
>>64272495After 5 or six different failed links I found one that works, thanks
>>64272454Develop vocabulary.
>>64272507How would you have worded this?
>>64272454It's almost as if your perspective shifts to focus on higher conceps such as freedom and right to exist when you actually end up in a high stakes situation.
>>64272454>if I don't drop the bullshit we're known for the most we'll probably prove our enemies right about us being evil hohol nazisHe didn't cuck out he's just managing PR
>>64272511I'm pretty sure this whole affair has given every Ukrainian who gives a shit a healthy disdain for the good saars buddying up to Russia.
>>64272511it's been 4 years, moved to Russia yet, buddy?
>>64272489Shouldn't you be cataloguing your giant collection of interracial porn, you ban evading faggot?
>>64272511>your country will get invaded by jeet and niggers>that is why you must give your country to homo sovieticus, mongoloid, churka, and turk (real)!
>>64272525Jeets don't want to come to Ukraine.
>>64272532Belarus is literally importing Pakistani jeets so it's not even like there's any either-or here
>>64272454It's a PR move, he needs that western support and it's harder to get that if the west knows you're racist.
>>64272542anybody you know in this webm?
>>64272525See this >>64272532
>>64272533Jeets will literally flood anywhere theyre allowed to. Theyre in random central Asian shitholes. It's up to biletsky whether he allows them to be flooded into Ukraine post-war to """rebuild"" the country and rape white women. Same thing happened with Turks in Germany post war.
>>64272536>Belarus is literally importing Pakistani jeetsI thought they were doing it just to send them to the Polish border?
>>64272549NTA, but they also started importing workers.https://www.rferl.org/amp/lukashenka-belarus-pakistan-migrants-eu/33382244.html>but muh RFE/RLStill more reliable then any bulbash state media
>>64272410putin fears his own shadow. that's why he lives in a bunker and his lackeys collect his shit in ziplock bags.
>>64272555Why not use north koreans????
>>64272479fag "rights" are irrelevant in any dimension. specially protecting your nation from press invading parasites that want to press gang, stuff everybody into concentration camps, mass kill and kidnap your children democratic republic represent separation of powers, regional representation and rule of law, not rule of strongman. They actually have incredible benefits for any normal forward thinking human that wants to make his surroundings decent for himself and his family he is purely avoiding pissing off over sensitive western softies. Everybody has seen how fickle and unstable their support has been through this long war
>>64272454the gays aren't actively bombing him, war makes strange bedfellows for a reason.
>>64272545Anybody you know in this webm ?
>>64272511>Goes to random threads to let people know they think about bbcOk
>>64272489nice psyop bud
>>64272482>other than the word nigger appearing like 15 times spoken by a Greek memberfucking kek
>>64272582Unfortunately not true There are only six
>>64272579>randomly brings up nigger penis at the mention of niggers
>>64272579>blacks mentioned>Mind immediately goes to their dickFascinating
>>64272564Those are needed for the motherland.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2077gwjlvxo.amp
>>64272603Im sure Kim can send out more slaves for shekels. Not like theyre going to try and escape.
Jeets are feisty today. What blew up?
PR shiet. If you've met these guys you know. They're the real deal and many many many are natsocs. The thing is, when you are invaded and get bombed daily by another federation that really is the biggest country on earth in terms of real estate, you gotta make compromises, one enemy at a time cause the situation is very very delicate. Remember, the dudes are natsocs, they fight for survival of the nation-Ukraine, that means their race as well.
>>64272609with what is putin going to pay for them?he already gave them the tech transfers they wanted
>>64272542This a friend of yours ?
>>64272636My friend in RuAf doesn't drink for 2 years already, this is strictly prohibited
>>64272636Your friends?
>>64272595>(Redeems current reddit meme)Rajesh, it's time to go back
>>64272489>butt blasted pidorstanian shillAnd a good goy
>>64272568I think you may have replied to the wrong post there buddyTake a moment to calm down and then try again
>>64272645Why did you bring up nigger penis?
>>64272532Why do you morons think anybody who opposes immigration supports Russia? Stop parroting the corporate media.
>>64272479You know the Muslim Brotherhood are massive proponents of democracy right? given Arabs are usually the majority it works in their favour against strongmen who rely on coalitions of minorities >>64272641Yeah I'm sure this policy is enforceable in the frontline where scooter assaults and gay sex are commonplace
>>64272657Nah, HIMARS > scooters
>>64272511But enough about russia...
>>64272454Upholding human rights because you hate Russia that much is as fine a motivation as any.
>>64272680Migrant rights aren't human rights
>>64272652Being this retarded on purpose only works in some shitty youtube "debate".
>>64272685they only apply to humans, not bipedal apes
>>64272511>>defend your country just for it to be filled with jeets and blacks afterwardEven better: Die attacking another country just for yours to be filled with jeets and blacks.
>>64272470People age and get wiser and see what really matters unlike the contents of /cangen
>>64272693This is a good thing for the rest of us.
>>64272507That wouldn't cure his mental illness
>>64272454>Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a fag.>How about side by side with a friend?
>>64272533>Jeets don't want to come to Ukraine.They're not here in large numbers but they are here.They prefer Lviv to Kyiv, I think there's a university there that they all go to.
>>64272454Turns out facing an actual existential threat unites people better than anything.
>>64272454he realized there are different kinds of gay and that the Russian kind of gay is the kind you don't want in your country.
>>64272709Karpatska sich beat up a jeet a few years ago for trying to rape a chick
>>64272685Russians aren't human
>>64272690>>64272726I'd rather my daughter bought a nigger home than a Russian. And I fucking hate niggers.
>>64272709Now i member when the war started and indian foreign offices thought the ukranians were sending their indians to auschwitz because ukrainians and their military were getting certain assurances and priorities in transit
>>64272494You're right, I still had hope a decade ago.
>>64272757You would get beaten up for saying this to Ukrainian nationalists
Is this going to be a problem post-war? Presumably Ukraine will need to disband the group as part of EU integration if they return to being a movement.
>>642727571000 migrants isn't a melting pot you ape
>>64272757You know what the real solution to immigration is? Stop fucking up other countries. Stop allowing other countries to be fucked up. When people actually live in not fucked up countries, they won't want to immigrateUSAID did more to halt immigration than Trump ever did and they destroyed it.
>>64272792not fucking other countries up and then complaining about immigration you caused is woke
>>64272770I'd say this is going to solve a lot of problems post-war. Ukrainians are tired of the bullshit their government pulls from time to time and voting for Azov-affiliated politicians seems like a good way to shake up the system. Kinda like they did with Zelensky previously.
>>64272792The solution is to just...not let them in, You have ZERO moral responsibilities towards those outside of your own ethnic group but we do have a duty to pass on the homeland to our descendants in a viable state as it was passed on to us. The push/pull factors don't matter if they can't get in.
>>64272792You’re so fucking gay. The solution to immigration is just send them back to the shithole they came from and stop letting faggot corporate executives pad their balance sheet with cheaper labor costs. There’s a time and a place for immigration. When you have a massive nursing shortage for example because it’s really hard to convince someone to move to buttfuck nowhere South Dakota and change an obese woman with dementias diaper you take what you can get. When you’re having to pay doctors 175k because a niche specialty as a left ass cheek specialist is hard to fill fine. When you’re importing thirdies to suppress retail, tech, and labor wages that most Americans depend on so that boomers can pocket 20% of their insurance check every time their roof gets fucked up in a storm or so you can avoid an HR complaint when people complain about the smell of curry in the break room you are a faggot shill.
>>64272482Even at the beginning, I always got the impression that Azov being neo-Nazi was mostly just about being as offensive to Russians as possible. If a regular Jewish guy was in alignment with their TZD policies then I doubt they'd have cared even back in 2014.
>>64272757My in-laws are upper-class Ukrainians and integrated into the UK just fine, they left some years ago to come live in my country but otherwise its nowhere near 'impossible' by any stretch
>>64272849I'm with you, but the ones that are here should stay provided they are law abiding and learn English. Kind of unfair to rug pull them after all this time looking the other way.
>>64272410>multigay
>>64272754>specifically bring up defending your nation against an invader as bad because it'll lead to increased third world immigration>NOOOOO, WHY ARE YOU INTERPRETING IT AS A PRO-INVADER STANCEContext matters.
>>64272860>If a regular Jewish guy was in alignment with their TZD policies then I doubt they'd have cared even back in 2014They were literally bank rolled by this guy.
>>64272489Hi manbitch
>>64272980From 2014 different oligarchs with industry in the Donbas began funding militias and armies with the hope of retaking their assets and the national interest encourages that too
>>64272757That only works up to a certain point. A perfect example of what I mean is in 4chan's own history: typically a newfag would have to lurk moar to fit in on the site, but occasionally (such as the 2016 election) the site gets swarmed by a massive influx of new users who not only have no idea how to fit in, but wouldn't be able even if they tried because all the other posters they see are equally clueless.If you get too many migrants too quickly (particularly from any single origin/background), then you reach a critical mass where they no longer need to integrate (and wouldn't be able to even if they tried) because their entire community is just as foreign as they are.
>>64272819It reads more like a road to state capture and a far-right government that is immediately going to see relations with Poland drop like a stone as they go back to screeching at each other about historic massacres.
>>64272489YO MANDICKSUCKER! YOUR BABYDADDIES TRIED TO KILL AZOV BATTALLION AND NOW IT'S A DIVISION XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA!!!!!!!
>>64273053>NOW IT'S A DIVISIONIt's a corps now - https://azov.army/en/
>>64273016nta but I think this is reasonable, there is a tipping point. But I think you also have to acknowledge that the tipping point itself is dynamic and based on what sort of integration mechanisms a given culture has. 4chan is nearly the lowest bar, with close to zero moderation or continuity and near total dependence on simple diffusion. There are zero bars to entry or formal histories or the like, there are no technical measures in place to ease people in or give anyone new a grounding. That means its ability to maintain continuity in the face of a big influx is about as low as it gets. A nation can require (and make easy) newcomers get a bunch of history and learning and so on to help get them up to speed faster, and have ideally have low impact but very rapid and high prob enforcement/reenforcement.Yeah there is still some absolutely highest number, but it can be a lot higher then the diffusion floor with good formal mechanisms in place. America has unfortunately ended up in a sort of worst-of-both-worlds place, with ultra slow too minimal bureaucratic retarded formal procedures and then lots of informal ones that are then subject to constant bullshit which then erodes respect for rule of law on all sides in a reinforcing spiral. We've had a few chances to break the loop over the last 30 years but government has never managed it unfortunately.
>>64272757>>64273016To me it's all about balance. To take the imageboard example, too many new users too quickly will have a destabilizing effect. But no new users = stagnation. Same principle towards moderation, there are downsides to it being either too light or too heavy.>t. respectable bipartisan
>>64273182Forgot to add the meme arrow to>Stop allowing other countries to be fucked up
>>64273011Well yeah but it proves anon's point about their pragmatism.
>>64272454>Find out your own gays are pretty normal people instead of being rape obsessed homoerotic milbloggers>Okay with your own gays>Get foreigners who are willing to fight, adopt Ukrainian culture and want to stay behind to rebuild Ukraine>Okay with reasonable migrants
>The EU has begun preparing a mechanism for transferring €170 billion from frozen Russian assets to Ukraine, - FTThat would explain part of the spam
>>64272410nice thread...Guys like him and prokopenko should be in the high command of ukraine, they went trought every level from soldiers to corps commandersbutchers like sryskyi and old generals with soviet thinking need to go, not only that but hanged for treason, there have been some high level resignations due to commanders getting idiotic orders and micromanaging from the commandthe command needs to ask themselfes why are these brigades(3rd and azov) still volunteer only and why so many people want to join them there was a recent video of a guy from the 3rd saying hes not afraid of getting wounded but that the guy next to him in the trench would not know how to apply a tourniquet on him and thats why he joined the 3rd and not some territorial brigade, the creation of dozends of new brigades with inexpericed mobilized is also idiotic while veteran brigades like 72nd are operating on 30%
>>64272548Jeets sadly never got some Ataturk, instead the got Gandhi which is the quintessential nationalist schizo.
