>what was it like on the front big sister?
>alive>reasonably intact>gets to see her home and family again>not screeching insanely and peeling off her own mutating skin as the sweet whispers of Chaos crush whatever is left of her soul, without ever granting her the sweet release that is deathShe basically won the lottery
>>64507410>>64507419Is this from something I should recognize
>>64507462It's some twitter artist who makes lust provoking tall lanky girls and also ryonaDon't look up what that is if you aren't already aware
>>64507410>>what was it like on the front big sister?>theemperorprotectstheemperorprotectstheemperorprotectstheemperorprotectstheemperorprotectstheemperorprotectstheemperorprotects
>>64507467I see.Unfortunately aware, and also not particularly fond of the latter at all.Might check out for the former, however.
>>64507467
>>64507462It's Warhammer 40,000
>>64507480I'm not too well versed in 40k lore but I don't remember it having bat people
>>64507499https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Abhuman
>>6450749940k has pretty much everything, there is a shapeshifting abhuman as well for all your girlcock needs. But the bat abhumans are called 'nightsiders'. There are also mermaid-like abhumans called Pelagers.
>>64507499they even have half humans half russians called Valhallans
>>64507513>Russians>Valhallansshouldn't that name be for Space Vikings?
>>64507519
>>6450749940k is full of retarded bullshit like science orangutans and space homosexuals who will kill you with an electric guitar yet bat people are somehow a bridge too far?GW does such an ass job of promoting their own setting to the general public it's unreal
>>64507503>>64507511Fair enough, cool designs>>64507535>somehow a bridge too farI didn't say that, I just didn't know about itAlso I'm nta who originally asked
>>64507410Why are you posting this through multiple boards?
>>64507499There's tons of mutated humans in 40k and a bunch of "stable" sub-species because of genetic meddling by chaos or even colonists back in the dark age of technology
from this >>64507580to this >>64507410what happened?
>>64507467nicealso ratgirls are underrated cute
>>64507535The issue with abhumans is that the moment you start talking about not looking like a weird human and like a humanoid most people would consider that a mutant, since even being a mutant allows you to look 100% human but have something else going on. If you wanna have "cat people" with catlike features like cat eyes and some other minor things that's more believable as an Imperium approved abhuman race than whatever is in the OP. If I can't tell within half a second that its supposed to be a human its definitely a mutant or alien if we're going by what is canon in 40k lore and also what GW themselves have shown us.
>>64507601 >what happened?Combat.
>>64507535>GW does such an ass job of promoting their own setting to the general public it's unrealBecause GeeDubs feels the need to give Space Marines a significant portion of any spotlight it shines on anything else in the setting. Kill Team could eventually have the odd release, but it probably wouldn't include the environmentally specialized and thus more apparently extreme abhumans.Honestly, we're going to see more Culture War bullshit for the holy grail "modern audience" before niche setting details because it's the only other thing GW has been as stubborn about as the Space Marine saturation in the recent releases.
>>64507718But GW's own lore shows the Imperium to be quite hypocritical in what it considers a mutant, so having weird looking people still maintain the "human" label is on-brand. Pretty much the only yardstick the Ecclesiarchy and its various subdivisions tend to loosely adhere to is mutation variance. It's why beastmen got the shit-covered end of the stick: in addition to vaguely resembling Khornate demons, there's also a very high variation in mutation characteristics, leading to the unfortunate conclusion that they're not a stable phenotype.
>>64507718>>64507824Most of the approved ones are either required for the Imperium to function (pykers) or were engineered pre Imperium (Pelagers, felinids Ogryns, Nightsiders, ect) so the Emperor said they were OK and that was that. Beastmen, Skavies and the like are either unstable, pollution or outright chaos influenced. There are also things that they just accept or ignore without real explanation like Jokaro, Manhounds or Squats/Kin.Another thing is they don't even know what counts as a normal human, 40k humans can have all sorts of traits that they are completely unaware aren't natural (weird eye or hair colors) but are due to some sort of generic meddling in the far past. A great example being that it is common for Cadians to have violet or even bright purple eyes and everyone thinks it is a normal eye color.
>>64507478>>64507712greatest artist of our time
>>64507824The Imperium kills people who have 6 fingers. There's hundreds of millions of mutants slated for death on Terra. The Imperium is inconsistent only because of how big it is. Like >>64507878 said the really weird looking abhumans basically got an Imperial sanction from The Emperor.
>>64507519Vikings, or rather viking larpers are already covered by the replace every noun with wolf marines. They are a on an eternal wolfquest, given by their wolf fathers, to take the title of most Mary Sue space marine chapter away from the Ultramarines.
>>64507419Not to mention she seems to live on a fairly tolerant imperial planet whose population doesn't scream CHAOS when seeing her and then burn her and her family on the stake.
Nightsiders are just blind humans with better olfactory senses. This batsona thing is the artist's own creation. Even felinids look closer to a Witcher than an actual cat anthro. Lore accurate abhumans are human looking.
>>64507882He's really good.
>>64507894Most of them were just engineered for specific reasons/environments and anything stable that fits in the range of qualities of those types is usually ok as long as the reason isn't chaos related, there is one novel where the ruling family are sanctioned mutants who have red eyes that can see infrared. There are also a huge number of some types, Pelagers (who are just humans with gills for the most part) have several hundred worlds. >>64507924>>64507419>fairly tolerant imperial planetHer people are probably the majority of the population, she presumably NEVER takes off those Purity Seals and that Hero of the Imperium award while traveling. There are multiple planets that are actually ruled by abhumans; there are Ratlings, Pelagers, random minor strains and even Ogryns (Nork Deaddog) who are planetary governors. It is important to understand that they see all sorts of things as normal that we would freak out over. Almost any modern human would have a mental breakdown if we had to spend any amount of time near Servitors, just knowing they existed would be massively traumatizing.>>64507940Some Nightsiders are specifically mentioned as being batlike or even not having eyes, the description makes it clear that it is a broad category that encompasses several separate abhuman types. Arguably Nostromans are borderline Nightsiders.
>>64507940Additionally the point of abhumans is that they're genetically stable. Having wide amounts of variation in an abhuman race isn't really heard of because the whole point of not killing them off is that they're reliable.
>>64507952Features like bigger than normal human ears sure, but there's no lore to support total anthro designs. I think more of bat boy or Nosferatu.
>>64507894>>64507878it 's basically frozen speciationthey are offshoot humans, modern hominid descendants of baseline humanity that stopped evolving (often because they where engineered). They one assumes can still interbreed with humans but I don't see that haping often or the offspring living long. They with the exception of the beast men aren't more mutation prone than baseline humans.by the same logic if you brought back the Neanderthals or other ancient hominids they'd also be fine with them.that being said humanity in 40k are probably not quite homo sapiens anymore with the pyker gene and all that.>>64507924well the whole population of her home world is probably abhumans GW is very into "there is only one climate or other thing on any one planet"
>>64507963My main complaint is with the presentation and artistic interpretation. Lore accurate abhumans are recognizable as humans and Im tired of this trope that alien looking humanoid are widely accepted in any capacity when blanks and psykers in the same society get lynched.
>>64507981It depends on the adhuman and depends on where they are in the Galaxy. Most abhumans in the Guard get a pass because they're in the Guard.
>>64507989Things get really messy for identifying humans when you have dozens of phenotype exceptions. Most abhumans look like humans but with one or two things that are off.
>>64507580What's with the branding on that goat woman
>>64507952>>64507963>>64507981It's so much easier when you remember GW is a shitty company run by shitty people that don't care about the setting, they only care about selling GW branded shit.
>>64508003Beastmen are treated horribly in the Imperium. It's why a lot of them fall to Chaos.
>>64508007Yes Im bailing water out of a sinking ship on fire, I know GW is a dogshit company.
>>64507940>Even felinids look closer to a Witcher than an actual cat anthroBesides the Codex the only canon description we have is that they look just like normal humans but with foot long claws. Of course the person describing them is a Kroot so he probably can barely tell Space marines and Ratlings apart.>>64507958Pretty much, you would see bat ears or no eyes but probably not both like in OP image.>>64507963>can still interbreed with humans but I don't see that haping often or the offspring living longThat would be dependent on the specific abhuman, we know for instance mostly normal (Nostroman) humans can interbreed with Navigators and the offspring is stable enough to be implanted with (probably) uncorrupted geneseed to become an Space Marine. >Neanderthals Actually done, they exist as abhumans in 40k.>"there is only one climate or other thing on any one planet"The vast majority are terraformed so yeah, not to mention if in the Dark Age of Humanity some colonists ended up landing on a all Ocean planet then they very well might have said 'Hey STC, looks like it's time for gills bro'>>64507981Everyone hates Blanks because they don't have a choice about hating them and unsanctioned Psykers are a legitimate threat to everyone. Looking weird isn't a problem when you have Tech Priests and work at the factory with your mouthy Cousin who got turned into a Servitor. As long as they are stable and locally common everyone is used to it for the most part. Even then shit happens like when a Imperial Fist wasted a bunch of longshanks even though they are just really tall and skinny.>>64508003Beastmen in the Guard get treated like utter shit since so many of them fall to Chaos, mostly because everyone treats them like shit. Their mutation is very unstable.
>>64507478she's got a big gun
>>64507478>>64507580>Tall woman is a pilotIs that exactly the type of person who should not be subjected to high G's?
>>64507410The 40k spammer ain't even trying to make this one /k/ relevant
>>64508027that's a voidsman uniform, she's exposed to less g-forces because she's in space.
>>64508027Bongs heard about the lack of gravity in space and thinks that means space living humans would be taller.
>>64508027Longshanks aren't pilots, they are low gravity adopted so they typically are ships crew. Pretty sure they have hollow bird bones as well. Not sure how that last part combines with using a punt gun as a sidearm although it might just be a huge laslock from the cartridges.>>64508044They are from low G planets, being used as crew came later. See it makes sense because......Naw, Bongs are just dumb.
>>64507513>half humans half russiansweird I thought that one called skavens
>>64507462Warhammer 40K mixed with All Tommorows For people who both want to be hfy space racist but also with freakshit OC
>>64508410The freakshit being turned up to 11 and using a lot of creative license. Furry abhumans is peak tourist slop.
>>64507529
>>64508138Nah, Skaven plans succeed as often as they fail.
>>64508003She's a slut and writes it herself
>>64507410That artist is very talented. Too bad its wasted on ugly furshit.
>>64508689I get why The Church was big on giving artists commissions because otherwise they just draw porn
>>64507580So kind of the Imperium to allow Blacks to continue existing.
>>64507410>>64507419>>64507462>>64507467Where are the weapons? You can post this cringy twittershit furfaggotry anywhere else. >There are weapons in the artist's workNot good enough. It's considered rude to waste threads on irrelevant furrtard shit that most people don't give a fuck about.
Btw nobody of any importance gives a single fuck about 40k either. It's the most retarded fandom imaginable and is probably the reason the entire generation has problems getting laid. Get this fucking trash off of the board.
>>64508738You really think Putin and Kim Jong Un haven't played at least one round of tabletop?
>>64508707>I get why The Church was big on giving artists commissions because otherwise they just draw pornFind a decent mangaka that didn't start in ero doujinshi and as for furry commissions...
>>64507952>Almost any modern human would have a mental breakdown if we had to spend any amount of time near Servitors, just knowing they existed would be massively traumatizing.That has less to do with tolerance and more to do with modern humans finding the idea of lobotomizing someone and forcing their still-living body to become a meat-puppet slave to be pretty horrifying.
>>64508788Servitor conversion is typically reserved for those who's crimes are considered to be so heinous that not even execution will repay their debt to the imperium. Typically tech priest genetors keep a supply of vat grown braindead clones on hand for servitor construction and maintenance.TL;DR you ain't getting servitored unless you did some shit even Jesus couldn't forgive.
>>64508966Its also reserved for cases where you're supposed to mass execute loyal soldiers because they saw something they shouldn't
>>64508980That's usually reserved for chaos shit, in which case that's the Grey Knights and inquisition erring on the side of caution.
>>64508966>for those who's crimes are considered to be so heinous that not even execution will repay their debt to the imperiumWhich includes>Insulting the nobility>Stealing a loaf of bread>Jaywalking
>>64507882>>64507945truth
>>64507410>Family is so varied they don't look relatedThose are mutants
>>64507410The father also has a Meritorious Service award, no? Lesser than a Hero of the Imperium one (on his daughter), but still notable.
>>64508966>>64509005It is sometimes seen as a REWARD for loyal duty in some Imperial/AdMech cultures.>>64507410Interesting to note there has never been mention of any prohibition on human/abhuman relationships. The only time it has been really mentioned was a human/Navigator relationship and in that case a freaking Nightlords Sorcerer of all people thought it was weird because he had assumed they would repulse each other. Really screwed up part about that, not only are they genetically compatible enough to have a kid the kid is human enough to turn into a Space Marine. Talos's pre-Heresy Nightlords gene seed that was slowly rejecting him no less. >>64509083Nice catch, if the kid wasn't a abhuman and dad had died in service she would have been sent to the Schola.
>>64509104Is the Schola Progenia restricted to Terran-phenome humans only?
>>64509104>Human/abhuman relationsAbhumans are relatively uncommon and freakshit enjoyers are getting one shot by Slaanesh. Its like suns colliding in a galaxy merge levels of low.
>>64509104>It is sometimes seen as a REWARD for loyal duty in some Imperial/AdMech cultures.It should be noted that they don't ask the victims they're servitorizing whether THEY feel like it's a reward. The reward is inflicted on you, whether you like it or not.
>>64509115Very good question. Since abhumans can be members of the Adeptus Terra logically their kids can join the Schola. There are probably restrictions for the likes of SB and Commissars but the Adeptus needs people other than Battle Sisters, Scions and Commisars, i can't imagine why a Ratling can't be a Munitorum clerk. There is at least one example of abhumans who are part of the Adeptus Terra that had to go through the Schola: Ogryns can be Arbiters. >>64509153Some Marine serfs look forward to it, they even mention how proud they are when their Dad clanks by.>>64509135As mentioned the only time it came up was a Navigator/Human pairing and nothing bad happened, the kid grew up to be a perfectly normal and well adjusted Nightlord.
>>64508774>Find a decent mangakaEh
>>64509162>the kid grew up to be a perfectly normal and well adjusted Nightlord. I lol'd IRL
>>64507958Wulfen are right there and part of the arguably No.2 poster child for Space Marines. >>64509005Combat servitorization has also been mentioned as being carried out on PTSD debilitated Guardsmen.
>>64509172You need to read the Nightlords trilogy, it is really funny sometimes. The warband in the books is well adjusted by 40k standards, you would much rather serve them than Imperial Chapters like the Iron Hands or Marines Malevolent. Even their berserker is a pretty cool guy. They are also total wimps and losers. There is a sort of running gag where the serfs just ignore them half the time, up to and including the ships tzeench possessed Captain. There are a few incidents where the Nightlords give them the opportunity to escape or outright free them but they stick around and save their pathetic asses.
>>64509135Assuming you're looking at the setting as a whole, sure. But given the population of the IoM, you're orders of magnitude more likely to come across a human/abhuman relationship than a member of any tabletop faction not named Imperial Guard or AdMech.
>>64509187Wulfen info is suppressed because of the optics. >>64509221Statistically speaking 99.9999% of humanity in 40k is marrying someone born within 500 kilometers of them based on how society is set up, the more common ones like navigators prefer their own kind and you don't often have the oppurtinity in 40k to do decades of exploring to find some cute abhuman girl.
>the world of wh40k is so miserable, the God Emperor of Mankind is going to turn into a chaos god whose only motivation is to destroy existence
>>64509239Wulfen had models as of a few years ago and are still mentioned in BL works.And if you Hive city has abhumans there are probably going to be a bunch of human/abhuman pairings.
>>64509258I mean in lore wulfen info is suppressed because its bad optics. Also yes Hive Cities are full of mutants, they're not human as far as the Imperium is concerned. Most of that would be mutants making mutants.
>>64509135>>64509221Entirely depends on the abhuman. A ratling is just a shortsack while others might just be a odd color, have gills or be really hairy. Batgirl from OP is basically a Goth chick with weird ears and big eyes. It is Canon that there is an entire subset of human women who lust after Spacemarines, body plugs and all. >FreakshitBanging Miss 10 feet tall but weighs 100lbs isn't that weird. No one thought it particularly unusual that Cain hooked up with a Tech Priestess whose only organic bits were her face and torso, you bet your ass Amberly would have mentioned it in a footnote if there was anything notable about that. >500 kilometers In a Hab or ship that is probably more like 500 meters.
>>64509269A tech priestess is a human still.
>>64507410>WarziggerWhat blew up this time?
>>64509249This is why we join the Greater Good and get Tau pussy
>>64509297The Tau are one errant campaign from any other faction away from being wiped out.
>>64509309Every other faction has already tried and failed. Twice, in the Imperium's case.
>>64509282Physically less human than a abhuman. Her legs up to the hips, arms, shoulders, spine and back of her head were mechanical and she had multiple mechdendrites including one that was a tail. Compared to that short, tall, blue or anime eyes isn't that big of a deal.
>>64509135>freakshit enjoyers are getting one shot by SlaaneshImagine the feast if he got her claws on 4chan.
>>64509316The world of WH40k is full of worthless xenos species like the Tau, wiped out and forgotten by history.It's only a matter of time that some party decides the Tau are a nuisance and wipes them out.They have no method of survival.
>>64509334I see where you're going with this. In 40k, susceptibility to Chaos and usefulness to the Imperium are the biggest factors. A tech priestess is not the same as a bat person.
>>64509258Are wulfen no longer playable? That was one of the coolest things about space wolves.
>>64509356>They have no method of survival.Au contraire, they have the best method of survivalSUPERIOR FIREPOWER
>>64509334It's the genes that matter, not whatever you tack on.The tech priest is a modified human.The abhuman was never human.
>>64509386>SUPERIOR FIREPOWER
>>64509395Four problems with that solution:1) Since the Imperium is basically always on the defensive they're blowing up their own planets doing that2) You have to actually get over the planet and have enough security to get the exterminatus off without it being intercepted or your ship being destroyed3) It doesn't always work, some planets have defenses against it4) It doesn't actually stop most factions either, just slows them down, they can usually just recolonize the planet and use it again afterwards
>>64509406The Damocles Crusade would have been resolved via exterminatus. The only reason it wasn't is because the authors wank the Tau so much it's lead to them being the single most hated faction.
>>64509411>The Damocles Crusade would have been resolved via exterminatusUnlikely. They got stopped hard at the first Tau sept they encountered. The tyranid invasion pretty much saved the lives of all the Imperium invaders by giving them an excuse to GTFO out of there before they were wiped out by the reinforcing Tau.
>>64509411>The Damocles Crusade would have been resolved via exterminatusThe Imperium doesn't even exterminatus every world falling to the tyranids, what are you on about? They don't have the capability to exterminatus every world that falls> authors wank the Tau so much it's lead to them being the single most hated faction.No, it's because fags can never accept that a human faction in a setting can be morally worse, in part or whole, than an alien one.
>>64509411>The Damocles Crusade would have been resolved via exterminatus. The only reason it wasn't is because the authors wank the Tau so muchAbsolute cope lol.
If xenos are gonna gas themselves up, may I remind you that the Tau are literally right next to the Ultramarines and Sautekh Dynasty. They may not be wiped out but they will be jobbers.
>>64509438>No, it's because fags can never accept that a human faction in a setting can be morally worse, in part or whole, than an alien one.No. It's this retarded moralistic attitude that's the problem. The tau are only "moral" because the writers' bias is keeping them alive in a world where they should have died.The reason why all the other factions are completely cutthroat, authoritarian and awful is because that's what you need to be to survive in a world of callous, hateful conflict and unending warfare. It's the only way to keep your species alive when enemies range from seemingly unending biomass-devouring intergalactic hivemind monster hordes to hellish creatures created by your very own mind to turn real life into a representation of the infinite suffering and ruin they represent. It's the only way you survive when enemies are everywhere, on the inside and on the outside, in the warp and the real world, inside your very own mind. You either despise the heretic and destroy the xeno, or you get taken down by them. The people who tried to be "moral" all got wiped out and destroyed by the vastly more competitive assholes whose attitudes were built for survival in the world. That's why the assholes are the ones who are left.But because tau wank is the name of the game, that dogshit species gets to survive in the setting despite them having none of the prerequisites for actually doing so. They're basically just alive because the writers see them as the "good guys," despite the fact they're not even worthy of a footnote in the history of the setting.
>>64509365>>64509355It must be added the man in question resisted a daemonette on multiple occasions, she was a reoccurring stalker of his and his purity was was never in question. It better have not been, besides being the jealous type his actual GF was an Inquisitor. >>64509391I don't buy it. Humans interbred IRL with things that in 40k are abhumans, Neanderthals exist in 40k. Human women lust after Marines (and in at least a few cases actually have had children with) who are far more genetically deviant than some abhumans whose modifications are minor. They don't realize it but Cadians are genetically altered mutants. A ratling is actually LESS of a freak than a dwarf or midget since they have more proportionate heads, they are just smol. And that chick is just......Just...Ok that is a humanoid goat, i'll give you that one. Probably the Felinind as well if only because of cat tongue. Too scared to even consider snu snu.
>>64509466>he reason why all the other factions are completely cutthroat, authoritarian and awful is because that's what you need to be to survive in a world of callous, hateful conflict and unending warfareBut here's the thing: You don't.This is the same retarded logic that the Russians have. "Our lives need to be miserable and shitty because it makes us TOUGH and STRONG MEN WIN WARS!" And then they get blown up by some drone because it turns out that economics and logistics and technology and planning wins wars.
>>64509470The Imperium is based on old colonies that survived thousands of years in isolation. The Imperium values genetic stability. Abhumans are the Imperium saying "close enough" when they find stable humans with mutations. You put Ogryns on a world and in 200 years you'll still have Ogryns. You put mutants on a world and in 200 years it's fallen to Chaos invasions.
>>64509479>economics and logistics and technology and planning wins warsThe Imperium has the edge in those regards because its so huge and also old.
>>64509479>But here's the thing: You don't.Yes, you do.Heresy will literally take over entire planets in no time if you let it fester and don't kill those responsible. Then it will move onto entire systems, then further on, and then destroy the entire Imperium. The Horus Heresy is the key incident of the entire modern Imperium.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubNqUyf0op0>This is the same retarded logic that the Russians haveNot at all and not even comparable on any level.Show me where the Russians are stuck dealing with the warp and Ruinous Powers, where simple thoughts and feelings create hell. Show me where NATO represents an existential threat to Russia, willing to nuke them at any chance given.Your entire argument in itself is pro-Russian, because you're claiming that the West is reminiscent in some way of the threats the Imperium of Man is facing. That type of attitude where NATO BAD is used as justification for Russian imperialistic expansion is a key part of their propaganda.
>>64509488Big but rotting. The Russia comparisons hold up. Yes they have the manpower advantage but they don’t use it efficiently. Yes they have a handful of supperweapons but what the common soldier gets is pretty shitty.
>>64509479>because it turns out that economics and logistics and technology and planning wins wars.Morale and the strategic level comes first. Look at the Vietnam war, or Afghanistan.The logistics, tech and economy become relevant only if the prerequisites for their use exists in the first place.
>>64509497If you want to make The Imperium into Russia, the Tau are like a single Baltic state with no outside support.
>>64509495Every “threat” that the Imperihm faces it is largely responsible for creating. It invades friendly xenos, or wakes up tombs worlds, or brings the tyranids to the galaxy, and then it bitches about how it’s “surrounded by enemies” it created
>>64508138Don't you dare bully the Skaven like that.
>>64509505No, no, no. The Imperium is what is left of humanity after aliens and demons raped them.
>>64509507No. Most xenos were friendly until the Imperium tried to kill them, and the Imperium is the only reason Chaos is as strong as it is, they gifted Chaos basically its entire military
>>64509505It's not the Imperium's fault the Astronomican is the mythical LÄMP for an interdimensional devourer.
>>64509511No. That's absolutely incorrect.
>>64509466>No. It's this retarded moralistic attitude that's the problem.The Imperium shitting all over anyone who could be an ally but scribbles over a minor point or committed the crime of being born an alien, or a abhuman or whatever is not and never has been a positive trait of theres. It's retarded and gets them into constant wars that they never needed to be in.>You either despise the heretic and destroy the xeno, or you get taken down by them.Or, as frequently, you get killed by the Imperium for the thoughtcrime of not following the Codex Whatever to the letter. The Tau are perfectly willing to use cutthroat, totalitarian, brutal measures, they just weigh it against the benefits of a softer (which doesn't mean nicer) approach. But because they aren't dentbrain retards howling their lungs out about how everyone who doesn't fit perfectly into their worldview must be purged in fire, somehow they 'aren't grimdark enough'. Ignore that they instead use soft power backed by force to MAKE them fit their worldview instead. The Eldar ally with other species consistantly too.The Imperium, as per the opening scraw of all 40k media, is the failstate of humanity. It is not somehow the 'optimal' or 'necessary' government. It sometimes performs necessary functions, but that isn't because getting into bloodfeuds with non-sapiant xenofauna is the optimal path for a civilization. Even the 30k Imperium was a mess, just one with a potential future. The 40k Imperium is fundamentally broken on every level. It isn't 'surviving', it is a stumbling, rotten corpse that only exists because a demigod of paperwork rose from the dead, and even then he only barely is keeping anything together.>But because tau wank is the name of the game,And how many ultramarine lieutenants have we gotten this year?
>>64509505>Every “threat” that the Imperihm faces it is largely responsible for creatingShow me where the Imperium created Chaos.Chaos is the fundamental threat the Imperium is facing, and is what destroyed the Emperor's plans in the first place.The Horus Heresy is the founding event of the modern Imperium.>It invades friendly xenos, or wakes up tombs worlds, or brings the tyranids to the galaxy, and then it bitches about how it’s “surrounded by enemies” it createdThe Imperium did not create Chaos, did not create the Tyranids, did not create the Orks, did not create the Necrons, did not create the Tau or the Eldar.
>>64509511>Most xenos were friendly The Eldar were at best polite towards the Old Empire, and the Orks were always aggressive (as they are towards everything).
>>64509511Most is a stretch. Many were, many were not. Many just want to do their own thing.
>>64509518>Show me where the Imperium created Chaos.It gave Chaos the 9 Chaos Legions, which is what was needed for Chaos to be able to invade anything outside of the Immaterium
>>64509518>did not create the TyranidsIt DID bring them to the galaxy though>did not create the NecronsIt DID wake them up though>did not create the TauIt DID push most of their auxillaries into their arms though
>>64509517>The Imperium shitting all over anyone who could be an ally but scribbles over a minor point or committed the crime of being born an alien, or a abhuman or whatever is not and never has been a positive trait of theres.It is the simple result of competitive pressures placed on living beings in a universe like ours or WH40k.The xenos species thought they could be allies and were wiped out for it. Hence, it's entirely logical and rational for the Imperium to take a hostile attitude and destroy any other species, before they can do the same to mankind.This is the simply reality we live in, whether you like it or not.> It's retarded and gets them into constant wars that they never needed to be in.Those wars are inconsequential when humanity's survival is at risk.>Or, as frequently, you get killed by the Imperium for the thoughtcrime of not following the Codex Whatever to the letter. GOOD.Heresy is an ever present threat that will corrupt the very souls of entire planets' populations if given the chance. Your singular life has no meaning or weight when compared to the rest of mankind, and it is a lunacy and narcissism to ask for humanity to put itself at risk for the sake of your own survival.> The Tau are perfectly willing to use cutthroat, totalitarian, brutal measures, they just weigh it against the benefits of a softer (which doesn't mean nicer) approach.Again, because of complete tau wank by the writers. The only road they will be taking is complete destruction of their species. It's ridiculous that they somehow survive.>It is not somehow the 'optimal' or 'necessary' government.It IS necessary. Whether the writers are smart enough to understand that or not does not matter. The Imperium is the evolutionary product of the world they live in. It is exactly what was needed to survive, that's why it survived in the first place.>And how many ultramarine lieutenants have we gotten this year?How many actually defend the smurf wank?
>>64509512Well first off, yes, it objectively is their fault, they created it, but also the Astronomicon isn't what was bringing the Tyranids into the galaxy, that would be the pharos beacon, which the Imperium activated.
>>64509537>It DID bring them to the galaxy thoughBecause what attracts them is a necessity for interstellar travel. If the Imperium stopped using it, they'd just get isolated and destroyed by all the other competing parties.>It DID wake them up thoughIf you wake up your neighbor by mowing the lawn and he shoots you with a shotgun, are you to blame?>It DID push most of their auxillaries into their arms thoughBecause the ignorant masses do not know what they're doing.
>>64509540"Everyone is an enemy even when they don't have to be" has NEVER been a pragmatic attitude to have. It didn't work for the Germans, it didn't work for the Russians, it's not working for the North Koreans. It's a shitty self-defeating attitude.
>>64509550>Because what attracts them is a necessity for interstellar travelOnce again, wasn't the astronomicon, it was the pharos beacon that brought them into the galaxy.>If you wake up your neighbor by mowing the lawnMechanicus deliberately going into their tombs to steal shit goes a little beyond just mowing the lawn.>Because the ignorant masses do not know what they're doing.And neither does the Imperium, 'kill all the xenos, even the friendly ones' is Imperium basic doctrine.
>>64509104Baseline and navigator relationships, while not by any means common, have happened enough that it is known that any children resulting from such, do not inherit the navigator gene, they just have a higher than average chance of being psykers.
>>64507535I love the funny monkeys :D
>>64509559>pharos beaconWhich was equally important, as it saved the Imperium during the Heresy. Also, blaming them for an unknown side effect of technology is silly.>Mechanicus deliberately going into their tombs to steal shit goes a little beyond just mowing the lawn.And they know exactly what's going to happen? >And neither does the Imperium, 'kill all the xenos, even the friendly ones' is Imperium basic doctrine.And it makes perfect sense. The friendly xenos had the doctrine of friendliness and they died for it. The Imperium has a doctrine of loathe the xeno, and they survive. Simple logic.
>>64509540>Heresy is an ever present threat that will corrupt the very souls of entire planets' populations if given the chance. Your singular life has no meaning or weight when compared to the rest of mankind, and it is a lunacy and narcissism to ask for humanity to put itself at risk for the sake of your own survival.The Imperium is the least capable of all the modelled factions of fighting off chaos, because being a dystopia means people no longer care about that shit. Guilliman said this, I don't know why anyone still parrots the 'the Imperium is the best bulwark against chaos' shit.>>64509550>Because the ignorant masses do not know what they're doing.They know exactly what they're doing. They know the Imperium doesn't care about them, or even pretends to. They know they get treated like shit all day every day for things they'll never see, and many of them figure out that it all ends up going to nothing by feeding some nobles ball.When they go to Chaos, or to the Tau, or desert, or rebel, it's because of the Imperium failing to prove why they shouldn't.>waah waah smurfsYou said that GW is wanking the tau above all, when in reality they wank the space marines and imperium (in that order) far and above literally anything else. The Eldars entire new plotline got shitcanned in like three fucking novels. Grow up.
>>64509566>Which was equally important, as it saved the Imperium during the HeresyA heresy which the Imperium was responsible for creating. >And they know exactly what's going to happen?The Imperium shouldn't be fucking around with technologies it doesn't understand >the friendly xenos had the doctrine of friendliness and they died for itAnd now the ones that didn't die are banding together and hate the Imperium. Congratulations you just gave yourself a new enemy for absolutely no reason.
>>64509557>"Everyone is an enemy even when they don't have to be" has NEVER been a pragmatic attitude to haveIt is the most rational game theoretical approach to interspecies engagements which gets spouted by all relevant talking heads on the subject whenever it's brought up, and for a good reason.If you have to wager an alien species being friendly against your own species' survival, it is entirely rational to simply destroy the other species, rather than risk them destroying you at some point.>It's a shitty self-defeating attitude.It's a superior choice to assuming the other side is friendly, when they are in fact not.The attitude you espouse is what the EU has been directing towards Russia all long.Try to play nice with them, while they're actually a hostile imperialistic shithole. See how well that worked out?Your attitude only works if the other side is (confirmedly) friendly and wants to seek a better future together, which is something that can not reasonably be proven and should never be assumed.
>>64509575stop stealing my typing style and arguments fag
>>64509575No one tell this guy the Heresy happened because Space Marines found Chaos worshipping aliens.
>>64509550Think Warhammer is gay but like this art, is it a series?
>>64509579>If you have to wager an alien species being friendly against your own species' survivalUntil acting like a psycho lunatic marks you for destruction by all the other aliens who are now friends with each other and realize you're a threat to the universe.>The attitude you espouse is what the EU has been directing towards Russia all long.So your solution would be that...the EU countries should all go to war with each other. Poland should invade Ukraine because...Ukraine might destroy them in the future.Anon your idea is retarded.
>>64509568>They know exactly what they're doing. They know the Imperium doesn't care about them, or even pretends to. They know they get treated like shit all day every day for things they'll never see, and many of them figure out that it all ends up going to nothing by feeding some nobles ball.>When they go to Chaos, or to the Tau, or desert, or rebel, it's because of the Imperium failing to prove why they shouldn't.And as such they are selfish creatures placing their own immediate survival over the survival of mankind and their own descendants. That's the price of species survival. >You said that GW is wanking the tau above all, when in reality they wank the space marines and imperium (in that order) far and above literally anything else. The Eldars entire new plotline got shitcanned in like three fucking novels. Grow up.The Imperium has a reason for existing. Its existence is justified and shown to have extremely heavy costs in terms of totalitarianism and human suffering. You yourself are talking in your post about how the people are stomped under the boot of the Imperium to sustain the system at large.The Tau have no such justification for their existence. It's wank because they don't have the necessary downsides to surviving in the world, and they're basically a mary sue species.
>>64509596>Until acting like a psycho lunatic marks you for destruction by all the other aliens who are now friends with each other and realize you're a threat to the universe.Again, this is irrational. If you are facing an empirically proven-to-exist alien species right in front of you, it's not rational to build your doctrine and expectations on a fanciful unproven idea.This is like saying we shouldn't wage war on Earth, because what if there's aliens in space looking at us and deciding whether to kill us all or not? It's just nonsense detached from empirical reality.>So your solution would be that...the EU countries should all go to war with each other. Poland should invade Ukraine because...Ukraine might destroy them in the future.No. Members of our own alliances are not comparable to unknown alien species or blatantly hostile states.
>>64509598>placing their own immediate survival over the survival of mankind and their own descendants.Except the Imperium is failing to protect humanity. Switching sides to the Tau is just the logical move to protect humanity's future.
>>64509481>You put mutants on a world and in 200 years it's fallen to Chaos invasionsWrong, at least in some cases.I made a mistake, Cadians are not mutants due to genetic engineering, it is straight up warp exposure and it took them 10,000+ years. In the HH books they introduce the world that will become Cadia and they already have unnatural hail color as well as bright violet and purple eyes from looking at the eye of terror. No one in 40k (or even 30k) thinks much of it since the IoM has all sorts of phenotypes that don't exist IRL like planets of albinos, unusual amounts of platinum blond chicks, florescent hair colors and things like that but Cadians specifically are due to warp exposure. Almost no one in the IoM would be considered a 'baseline' human, there are whole cities under the Imperial Palace that are hinted at being a preserve for 'normal' people as well as other places like Fenris. >>64509522>>64509515>>64509511Orks were always hostile, many aliens were hostile but not all. The Eldar and others allied with us against the Men of Iron while the Men of Stone (Squats) just left. Dark Age humans would have probably been best bros with the Tau. They really need a novel where a Tau diplomatic mission cuts a deal with Big G against their common foes like he did with the Eldar, he is smart enough to realize that compared to the IoM they aren't all that bad.>>64509561It was a major plot point in the Nightlords books, especially as it was already Canon that they have unusually pure and successful gene seed that works on people with minor mutations like genetic defects that make you born without a hand. It is implied that theirs is the best you can get besides the *minor* flaw of who the Primarch was. They of course implant him with Talos's gene seed to make the kid into a double abhuman because if there is a bad decision to be made the Nightlord will make it.>>64509512Sotha (Necrons) attracted them first but now it's the astronomicon.
>>64509609>Members of our own alliancesBy your own logic, you should NEVER form alliances, because you never know when alliances might betray you! So by your own logic, every country in the EU should immediately turn on each other and wage war on each other instead of focusing on Russia.That's not pragmatic. That's retarded.
>>64509610>Except the Imperium is failing to protect humanity.Humanity lives on. That is what matters. Individuals do not.
>>64509615>Humanity lives on.The Imperium is slowly losing. They're losing more planets than they're gaining.
>>64509614>By your own logic, you should NEVER form alliances, because you never know when alliances might betray you!Nope.You are again being irrational.An already existing alliance is not comparable to an unknown threat.Most European countries did in fact wage war on each other for centuries before the status quo, and they survived and grew by doing so, moving on to conquer the entire world.Please do not refer to logic when you are so clearly incapable of using it
>>64509627>An already existing allianceExcept that alliance, according to you, shouldn't exist! Because it doesn't matter how friendly someone is, you should NEVER form an alliance with them because they might turn on you later!Sorry anon, your logic is retarded and unpragmatic.
>>64509612In 40k a mutant is considered someone we'd say has incredibly high mutational load, like generational inbreeding at Chernobyl levels of bad. The reality is that yes there's a lot of bad mutational load in humanity in 40k, humans on a planet that only has had humans on it have mutant uprisings all the time. At the end of the day, its about stability. Cadians are highly stable humans, all things considered. Their eye color changing and that being about it speaks volumes to the genetic robustness of Cadians. The Imperium wants that over everything else, humans that have adapted to Chaos, as those humans are going to be more stable long term and have less likelihoods of breeding millions of deformed chaos worshippers.
>>64509634>you should NEVER form an alliance with them because they might turn on you later!Please, try to form a logical argument to support this claim from my posts. Go ahead, do your best.Unknown uncertain threats (alien species) are not at all the same as a known neighbor (the country next to you with people you know) who you've lived with for millennia.
>>64507882>>64507945>>64509017Just some weird fetishes here and there
>>64509615>Humanity lives on. That is what matters. Individuals do not.So if the Tau were better at protecting the existence of humanity, you'd support them? After all, caring about having your government run by humans is a individual concern, not a species one.>>64509635>Their eye color changing and that being about it speaks volumes to the genetic robustness of Cadians.Cadians do have higher-than-average warp resistance, but didn't they still have heretic uprisings and inquisitors doing sweeps? It could also be contributed easily to the children prone to high mutation being more likely to mutate earlier, given their closeness to the Eye.
>>64509466>something like 70% of 40k is dedicated to Marines>entire subline dedicated exclusively to Marine versus Marine>most prosperous and safe part of the IoM is the mini empire ruled directly by the Ultramarines>Space Wolves are superpowered space marines who can beat up anyone and don't have to follow the rules and get super special magic powers that no one else hasThis is fine.>Tau>exist in settingMARY SUE ASS BULLSHIT!!!
>>64509641>Unknown uncertain threats (alien species)They weren't unknown threats, humanity had formed alliainces that had lasted several THOUSAND years. The Imperium, upon meeting them, killed them, despite them having honored those alliances and kept humanity safe through the age of strife.
>>64509648What makes Cadians special is there levels of uprising and mutation in spite of everything. The Imperium has tried to keep the Cadian genes alive in one way or another for that reason.
>>64509661>. The Imperium has tried to keep the Cadian genes alive in one way or another for that reason.Since when have they explicitly done that? I recall it just being the natural consequence of them sending Cadians into every fucking warzone in the galaxy and then them fucking.
>>64509648>So if the Tau were better at protecting the existence of humanity, you'd support them?Sure, why not. If the Tau were capable of actual survival, prospering and dominance in the world of WH40k, and they enabled the prosperous nature of humanity from a meta perspective (we as readers know they don't intend to betray mankind) and if they somehow had a way to deal with chaos, the Orks, the Nids, the Necrons, the Eldar and all the other threats, I could very much see them as the better option.But as long as they just take advantage of humans as auxiliaries and have no way to sustain their own existence in the long term, they're just a roadblock to be wiped out.
>>64509649>This is fine.A setting written for humans has a focus on humans? Say it isn't so!
>>64509670>But as long as they just take advantage of humans as auxiliaries and have no way to sustain their own existence in the long term, they're just a roadblock to be wiped out.But these auxilaries are still alive, are they not? The species lives on. Why does them being 'taken advantage of' matter? That's an individualistic concern.
>>64509670>But as long as they just take advantage of humans as auxiliaries>Get better food>Better shelter>Better protection>A better job>"Taken advantage of"Do you expect them to just let the humans be NEETs and sit around all day?
>>64509669Its from their natural abilities to resist chaos that makes them good fighters that makes them valuable. The Imperium may not understand it, but they know something is special about Cadians.
>>64509683It is not an individualistic concern on a higher level. The moment the Tau see no more need for human auxiliaries, they have no reason to keep them alive anymore.Besides, the Tau sterilize their humans. Your argument is entirely fallacious just based on this simple factor. On a species level, they do not intend humanity to continue, but only to take advantage of the individuals until they die.Your entire notion of survival only exists on the individual level.
>>64509701>Besides, the Tau sterilize their humansOh so you're applying your personal head-canon to it.But quite the contrary, humans have prospered under the Tau, human populations actually have a tendency to explode in Tau worlds because of the better living conditions and healthcare and food.
>>64509701>Your entire notion of survival only exists on the individual level.Except their are entire planets of human auxilaries that are un-sterilized and producing children that the Tau doesn't care about.>On a species level, they do not intend humanity to continue, but only to take advantage of the individuals until they die.Since when? The Tau see integrating all aliens into their society as their highest calling to the point they die for it.
>>64509659>humanity had formed alliainces>The Imperium, upon meeting them,And so according to your own words, they were unkown to the Imperium, as they only met them before exterminating them.>despite them having honored those alliances and kept humanity safe through the age of strife.And they died for it. Proving that you should not trust aliens.
>>64509705No Tau occupied world has been able to maintain a hive city. In fact, Hive Cities are seen as myths amongst the Tau.
>>64509495Holy shit you are missing the point of the Imperium being its own worst enemy. The average Imperial citizen lives a excruciating, dehumanizing life surrounded on all sides by filth, rot, and decay of better times, whipped into a frenzy of bloodlust against everything and anything different, while being ruled from above by endlessly scheming and plotting nobility who live lives of unimaginable excess to the point of being jaded, burnt out husks to what people would consider normal. Then they point to everyone else and claim that things like "functioning infrastructure," "diplomacy," "healthy living conditions," and "effective government" are what's causing Chaos.
>>64509711>Proving that you should not trust aliens.Quite the opposite.The only thing this proves is that you shouldn't trust the Imperium. Aliens are able to form alliances with each other to fight the Imperium just fine with no ill consequences. It's only the Imperium that can't be trusted.
>>64509712>No Tau occupied world has been able to maintain a hive cityThat's because the Tau have something better than hive cities, they have ecumenopoli. All of the population, none of the pollution. In fact, when the Tau take a hive city, they evacuate the population to elsewhere in their empire, and begin the process of rebuilding the planet to fit their more well-maintained vision of a planet.
>>64509714Anon, the first humans to fall to Chaos en masse were Space Marines. The suffering of the modern Imperium has nothing to do with the start of this mess.
>>64509705>Oh so you're applying your personal head-canon to it.Am I misremembering it then? I'll accept it as wrong if it's not true.>But quite the contrary, humans have prospered under the Tau, human populations actually have a tendency to explode in Tau worlds because of the better living conditions and healthcare and food.A temporary population boom to be used as manpower is not true prospering.>>64509710>Except their are entire planets of human auxilaries that are un-sterilized and producing children that the Tau doesn't care about.Manpower, in other terms. To be used for their wars of conquest.>Since when? The Tau see integrating all aliens into their society as their highest calling to the point they die for it."Integrating all aliens into their society," is just a fancy term for using them for their own benefit. It's like Nazi Gleichschaltung, synchronization. Integrate the Jews into society by putting them in labor camps to serve the Greater Good (Third Reich).Humanity would face the same eventual fate under the Tau.
>>64509720Are you referencing lore? If so let's see your source. All the Tau lore I've read show that the Tau do not operate on any scale that the Imperium does.
>>64509717>>The only thing this proves is that you shouldn't trust the Imperium.And how do you know if the Aliens are like the Imperium? How do you know it before it's too late?Pro-tip: you don't.>Aliens are able to form alliances with each other to fight the Imperium just fine with no ill consequences.And they all die because of it.They are ALL DEAD, while the Imperium continues its existence.If your attitudes directly lead to the destruction of your species, your attitudes were clearly faulty.
>>645097279th edition codex, Sa'cea Prime is noted as being a Tau world with trillions of people living in massive dome arcologies. The planet itself is something of a death world too used by the fire caste to train, so one can only assume other Tau planets would have just as many people.
>>64509420>Yeah but what about the deus ex space chink robot guy plot armor huh? Didn't you get the memo that the prophets or whatever are actually evil and all of tau society is a le grimdark lie? Fully automatic luxury space communism didn't sell enough miniatures and neither did non mech models apparently. You're just a few books away from how ACKtually the Tau are a pet project of kairos fateweaver or something.
>>64509726>Am I misremembering it then?It comes from an Imperium narrator speculating on the decline of a human population in a non-canonical ending of the Dark Crusade video game.
>>64509711>And so according to your own words, they were unkown to the Imperium, as they only met them before exterminating them.(Not the guy you were arguing with)By your logic, the Imperium should have killed practically all human they met. Since a human civilization after the Age of Strife is as unknown to the Imperium as an Alien civilization is. Which it didn't. And the Imperium didn't have its shit kicked in because of some unknown element but because of its Primarchs. Heresy was not some civilizations, hastily introduced rebelling. It was the Imperium's ruling class having a civil war. If human civilization were safe, then alien civilization of the same level unknown would have been safe as well. Coming back to the real-world, groups that show that level of xenophobia and self-serving attitude tended to collapse very quickly, and if not, ended up in an awful situation for most involved.
>>64509714>Holy shit you are missing the point of the Imperium being its own worst enemy.No.The WORLD is the enemy.The entire key point in the WH40k universe is that the WORLD is grimdark. It's the WORLD and the pressures it places on the species that forces them into unending warfare and internal oppression. Just the existence of the Warp makes ordinary life entirely untenable, as heresy would immediately spread everywhere.>The average Imperial citizen lives a excruciating, dehumanizing life surrounded on all sides by filth, rot, and decay of better times, whipped into a frenzy of bloodlust against everything and anything different, while being ruled from above by endlessly scheming and plotting nobility who live lives of unimaginable excess to the point of being jaded, burnt out husks to what people would consider normal.And you would go about fixing this how exactly?Any attempts at reconstructing the Imperium would destabilize it and open it up to heresy to a degree where the Imperium could not and would not survive.The Imperium is the way it is because it must be that way.
>>64509739>Sa'ceaSo the Cadia of the Tau. Its also the most populous world of the Tau in lore, no other planet comes close to it. The lifestyle of those Trillions is described as Spartan too, which may be a step up for humans living on a hive world but it is not the utopia that the Tau try to feed to humans.
>>64509755>Its also the most populous world of the Tau in loreDo you have any sources for that?And yes the Tau live fairly spartan lives but that's a significant step up. Besides, living TOO luxuriously leads to Slaanesh corruption.
>>64507718>The issue with abhumans is that the moment you start talking about not looking like a weird human and like a humanoid most people would consider that a mutant, since even being a mutant allows you to look 100% human but have something else going on.Yes, and that's fine. Actually it's been established (in Bloodlines) that even non-Abhumans from one planet, going to non-Abhumans on another planet, can be mistaken for mutants, the example give in that book being a ship's crew getting killed by a lynch mob because their facial structure was just different enough to upset the locals.40k isn't Star Wars, most people will never leave their homeworld or see someone of another race, let alone an alien, and Guard regiments that fight alongside other Guard regiments from different planets will at least get briefed on who they're working with and have marginally better-educated officers keep them in line.So you can easily have a planet of bat-people Abhumans, who would be accused of being mutants anywhere else. If they fight alongside a non-bat-person regiment then the officers will brief their troops, and they'll probably generally be kept apart as much as possible.>>64509701No, a specific rebellious population was sterilized in a non-canon ending to Dawn of War: Dark Crusade.
>>64508966>>64508966this, sometimes they'll just servitor you because they felt like it and make up a bullshit random excuse
>>64509679>game has multiple factions which people can play and publishes fiction based on those factions>this is a problem
>>64509748>By your logic, the Imperium should have killed practically all human they met. Since a human civilization after the Age of Strife is as unknown to the Imperium as an Alien civilization isRidiculous claim.Humans are human. We are the same species with similar attitudes and similar in-group biases and interests. We join up with other humans by nature and act as a social group together with others of our own kind. We can predict our own behavior better than aliens.The Imperium was also vastly superior to all the humans they annexed - the humans who proved a potential threat were regularly wiped out. >Heresy was not some civilizations, hastily introduced rebelling.No, it's an insidious force that collapses entire civilizations from inside, where all of a sudden entire systems and legions turn to worship of the Chaos Gods and start raping people by shoving shards of glass up their urethras (they think it feels good) and summoning literal demons into existence.>Coming back to the real-world, groups that show that level of xenophobia and self-serving attitude tended to collapse very quicklyAll humans have shown that level of xenophobia for the majority of mankind's existence. We are the survivors of the people who did so.You are foolish to use the modern world as an example of basic game theoretical dynamics, when we haven't represented "unknowns" to each other in centuries, even millennia.
>>64509761Its described as the most densely populated Tau world in the codexes. Its a fully utilized planet that is the right size for humanoids to thrive on. Physically there can't be any worlds more populated for the Tau than Sa'cea
>>64509767It's a problem when some of those factions are so poorly written as a whole that they have no reason to even exist.When it comes to other factions, it's like a 50-70% of poor writing, but the rest of it, the core is often sensible on some vague, acceptable level. Like again, how the Imperium has to oppress its people ridiculously and consume human lives as a resource even during peacetime to maintain itself. It's the cost of survival in that fucked up world after tens of thousands of years of fucked up events. It's pure organizational inertia, where the Imperium has to just maintain itself as it is to stay alive at any cost. Try to reform, and any of the forces opposing them will take that chance to end mankind.
>>64509774>We are the same species with similar attitudes and similar in-group biases and interestsNot true. Russians are different from Americans are different from Europeans are different from Africans.
>>64509753>The Imperium is the way it is because it must be that way.>Please ignore everything that's happened since Girlyman came back
>>64509635No disagreement there, although they do have lots of cults Cadians are highly resistant as are others like Krieg. I'm just pointing out that from a out universe viewpoint Cadians are mutants. There are many 'abhumans' in 40k whose mutations would be caused by genetic deviance less than those of Cadians. Ratlings and Ogryns are just unusually small or large for example. It is worth pointing out that the latter two are both highly Chaos resistant, corrupted Ogryns are rare, corrupted Ratlings are unheard of. >>64509598I know she is a /tg/ creation but Choas-Chan is of Cadian stock.>>64509648>>64509670As a plan B (or more like plan C or D, plan B was the Squats) why not? The Human population of the Tau Empire is so large that a big fear of the Auns is that eventually they will take it over. >>64509669The Imperium in 40k doesn't know why they are resistant to Chaos, remember they think having bright purple eyes is a normal thing. The idea that is is due to long term low level exposure to the warp is something they might theorize but it isn't a common idea outside the Inquisition.>>64509694Correct, just like they know that Kreig did 'something drastic' but as long as it works they aren't going to complain. I just finished the latest Krieg novel a few hours ago and there is a neat bit where their Commissar explains how their sole real job is to prevent the greater IG from exploiting or wasting them. >>64509701As a whole the Tau don't want to hurt anyone unless they have to, they attempt peace first. The morons have tried to negotiate peace with Necrons, Daemons, Tyranids, Dark Eldar and Orks. They knew it would probably fail but they tried then when it failed they did the rational thing and started shooting them on sight. >>64509762>Who in the Emperor's name are these freaks? Why are their ears and eyes so small? They must be mutated invaders who are so far from the Emperors Darkness that they serve the accursed Light of Chaos, open fire!
>>64509647that's putting it mildly
>>64509788We are all the same species with the same basic functions and tendencies. Plenty of experts in strategic culture recognize and know exactly how the Russians operate, how the Africans operate, but individuals are generally too unwilling to denigrate other populations because it's politically and socially incorrect, or because they're simply too stupid to understand different modes of functioning.
>>64509777Fair, but still, worlds tends to prosper under the Tau. After Taros was taken, the population exploded and the locals built cities all over the planet since they had the growing resources and population for it.
>>64509791Yes, I'll ignore the female custodes and the other garbage GW is pushing into the setting in an effort to make it woke or something, I don't know what they're doing.
>>64509798>We are all the same species with the same basic functions and tendenciesSounds like some globalist gobbledygook. You can no more trust an Indian than you could any alien.
>>64509794>that a big fear of the Auns is that eventually they will take it over.And that's exactly why humanity can't prosper under them.If they *fear* humanity taking over, then obviously they see humanity as a threat, and so humanity will eventually be destroyed for the sake of their own survival and prosperity.That's what you get for becoming a slave.>As a whole the Tau don't want to hurt anyone unless they have to, they attempt peace first. The morons have tried to negotiate peace with Necrons, Daemons, Tyranids, Dark Eldar and Orks. They knew it would probably fail but they tried then when it failed they did the rational thing and started shooting them on sight. They should have been punished for it severely.Dark Eldar, Necrons and Daemons would all take advantage of their foolishness to enable their destruction.
>>64509740The current arc of the Ta’u is that interaction with humanity is allowing our ensouledness rub off on them and Chaos is slowly starting to notice them.
>>64509796is there a gallery?
>>64509806>They should have been punished for it severely.They were on several occasions, with the Tyranids, the Dark Eldar, the Orks.But here's the thing. It costs you a handful of diplomats to try to make peace. If it doesn't work, you lose a dozen people. If it does work? You save the lives of millions and get billions more without a shot fired.Attempting diplomacy is the pragmatic, cold, logical choice. That the Imperium refuses to do it shows that they are less concerned with survival than they are with their ideology.
>>64507924>>64507952>>64507718>>64507981Forty years of writers who don't care what other writers said have done with 40k whatever they found amusing at that moment, and none of them have ever been retconned.They try sometimes to use the scale of the galaxy as an excuse, "oh these planets use alien mercenaries or "eldar embassies" and have a standard of living higher than America and these planets kill every child with a cleft chin and feed them to their parents and they've never ever met each other and think they're the standard of the imperium" but the problem is the writers can't help but make sweeping statements like "the best planets in the imperium have a life expectancy of 30" and such so you end up with mutually exclusive versions of 40k based on objective external statements not in universe colored accounts.
>>64509774>All humans have shown that level of xenophobia for the majority of mankind's existence. We are the survivors of the people who did so.Yes and some level of xenophilia as well. Foreign cultures and peoples are points of interest and study. For centuries, to millenia at this points. Peoples have been taken by wanderlust and visit other peoples. Societies that are successful better integrate the foreign influences and even the peoples.Humans grow stronger by relying on each others. So do the societies we form. There is nothing to stay we won't prosper by cooperating with aliens.
>>64509411the imperium didn't come with nearly enough resources to take on the tau in the Damocles crusade because they underestimated them due to the limited contact they'd had with themas such they where starting to bog down and given how there's always an other war to fight those resources ware better spent elsewherethat's the lore reason for the tau still being around, they are on the to do list but there's always other shit popping up that get put at the topthat means to the imperium the tau aren't worth the time and effort because they don't pose an existential threat to the imperiumthey are a species that can't use the warp, have very limited means and are on the far fringes of of the eastern rim they couldn't be further from Terra if they triedthey aren't failbadon going for the Cadian gate, they aren't orcs going after a linchpin hive world, they aren't necrons awaking in a system with a forgeworld ect.and keep in mind that while the crusade forces where pissed off at getting bogged down the tau where freaking out because they realized just how much more powerful the imperium really is. they where on the back hoof the whole time barely clinging on by their bovine dentures. the imperium was bitching that this was going to take months for every sept the tau where shitting their pants because reinforcements would take years to get there.
>>64509818>If it doesn't work, you lose a dozen people.You lose entire systems* at the very least. The forces at hand would not just kill your diplomats. They would pretend to be friendly, build a pseudo-alliance and strike at the moment of your weakness, when you turn your back.Just imagine what Tzeentch-aligned chaos forces would do if the Tau wanted to form a friendly alliance with them.>Attempting diplomacy is the pragmatic, cold, logical choice. That the Imperium refuses to do it shows that they are less concerned with survival than they are with their ideology.It's not a pragmatic choice when a single munition can wipe out your entire planet, when a couple heretics in a basement can open portals to hell and when robot-skeletons can place a teleportation beacon anywhere on a planet, summon in entire armies and just start blasting.
>>64509787We're specifically talking about the viability of the Tau within the setting. Which is perfectly viable. They're at the fringes of the IoM's territory where it's difficult for Navigators to see the Astronomican, their territory is densely populated and tightly organized compared to the IoM's sprawling feudal structure, it has reliable space travel, it fully understands how its tech works, constantly innovates, has an efficient industrial sector, keeps its population happy enough to not suffer constant internal instability, and uses diplomacy to bolster its numbers and territory. The Tau exist to be the antithesis of the Imperium in function. A small, growing, dynamic civilization that is a burgeoning galactic power.
>>64509840>They would pretend to be friendly, build a pseudo-alliance and strike at the moment of your weakness, when you turn your backThe Imperium doesn't do that and they're inherently hostile so your assertion is already wrong on the face of it.
>>64509835>There is nothing to stay we won't prosper by cooperating with aliens.Except for the very real risk that they decide to just kill us the moment they see us. All it would take is one large meteor aimed at our planet and goodbye mankind.Again, this is the exact reason all these Xenos species got wiped out. They wanted to cooperate, the aliens (Imperium) didn't, and they all died for it.Do you want to take that chance for the sake of some nebulous future cooperation? Do you really?
>>64509774>Humans band togetherHumans that survive are the ones that would take a dog or an alligator over an enemy blood-group of humans. There never will be this koombaya for humans racism for aliens bullshit science fiction writers like to wax about endlessly. No one is picking a nigger over an alien as an ally.
>>64509846The Imperium is open, honest and rigorous in its xenophobia. They don't pretend to like you to stab you in the back.They're religiously driven to openly destroy and denounce their enemies. Chaos doesn't suffer from this weakness.
>>64509591Mossacannabalis or somesuch is the artist
>>64509848If you act like a rabid dog, you'll get put down like one. All it takes is a handful of aliens who are friendly with each other to form an alliance. You throw a rock at their planet, the ones still alive throw a rock at you. Strength in numbers and mutually assured destruction.
>>64507410Please explain how this is related to weapons.
>>64509591Mossacannibalis as non said. Has a bunch of WH40K pictures.
>>64509855>Chaos doesn't suffer from this weakness.Incidentally Chaos is empowered by suffering which the Imperium provides in abundance. Even Guilliman acknowledged that the reason the Imperium is constantly dealing with Chaos uprising is because life is so utterly dogshit in the Imperium that a deal with megasatan actually looks good for a lot of people.
>>64509866Inquisition-Smurf civil war when?
>>64509870Probably soon, a lot of the Imperium is pissed at Guilliman for doing such heretical things as allowing innovation and making alliances with xenos
>>64509872The smurfs are pretty heretical at this point, after all. The newest traitor legion in the making, 100%.
>>64509882That, plus you have the whole Star Child/Dark King thing going on, where you have the embodiment of ruin sitting on the golden throne ready to ascend into a Chaos God, and the tiniest fraction of his soul that represents actual hope and faith and compassion floating out there somewhere in the warp ready to get gunned down by most of the Imperium if they ever show their face.
>>64509627>picAbbadon, that's not how "connecting people" works.
>>64509858>All it takesIs a massive understatement.It takes ridiculous amounts of luck and self-destructive attitudes to enable such a situation to happen.And it still doesn't remove the possibility that the alliance just decides to kill your outsider species as a dog, because they don't want you around potentially threatening them in the future. They already have their happy alliance, so why would they risk you and suffer your presence? Better to just wipe you out now before you can grow to become a threat or competition to their own alliance. You can look at how the West, despite being so friendly and allied, wipes out people like Saddam and Gaddafi. Upstart outsiders trying to get into the game and destabilize Western systems die.
>>64509891I'd worship the Dark king.Not much worth keeping in the WH40k universe.
>>64509898comparing your chosen system to saddle and gaddafi, two people who actively started the shit that got them killed, is a bit counterproductive anon
>>64509898>And it still doesn't remove the possibility that the alliance just decides to kill your outsider species as a dog, because they don't want you around potentially threatening them in the future. They already have their happy alliance, so why would they risk you and suffer your presence?Because any alien species that had the mindset and culture to be capable of forming such an alliance in the first place isn't going to suddenly decide that they need to turn into the Imperium and kill everyone they meet. You're running into the same problem as before. Your logic is self-defeating. If alliances with new people are inherently bad, then by that same logic the alliance you ALREADY HAVE was bad to create as well. You're shooting yourself in the foot, not for any pragmatic reason, but to force an ideology which is ill-suited for survival.
