Why dont the US have an equivalent of the MIG-31? It's causing a ton of problems in Ukraine and its in large part due to its very high altitude. Why care about stealth if you can just fly very high?
>>64844672Imao. What flavor of brown are you?
>>64844672indeed, its causing a ton of problems for russia because its airframe has a tiny service life
>>64844672weeeeee~ *splat*
>>64844672what blew up?
>>64844672>Why dont the US have an equivalent of the MIG-31?It's called "having and maintaining functional air-defense," commonly mistranslated into Russian as "cuckhold."
>>64844672This thread is advancing false information narratives People who are based and care about the 1488 understand that NATO needs to be bolstered in the information space. We cannot allow Russian linked influence actors to spread demoralizing narratives about western weapons systems, or threaten social cohesion by slandering migrant communities.
>>64844672because it's shit
>>64844672> Why care about stealth if you can just fly very high?t. Francis Gary Powers
>forgot about the f15
>>64844754But the F-15 was good
>>64844754Commercial plane altitude. The MIG-31 is ~70,000 ft.
>>64844771>anon thinks max alti is general purpose altiso unbelievably newfag to aerial warfare it's unreal
>>64844786No, I dont think so. I'm talking about cruising altitude.
>>64844786Not necessarily a newfag, at least in terms of aircraft. More than likely, you are talking to a sub 100 iq shitskin.
>>64844771The only place I can find claiming a service ceiling over 70,000ft is this .ruhttps://csef.ru/en/oborona-i-bezopasnost/423/boj-v-blizhnem-kosmose-na-kakih-vysotah-sposoben-voevat-rossijskij-mig-31-7462Here is the translation so you can see how much they are glassing ithttps://web.archive.org/web/20181004190117/http://csef.ru/en/oborona-i-bezopasnost/423/boj-v-blizhnem-kosmose-na-kakih-vysotah-sposoben-voevat-rossijskij-mig-31-7462>If necessary, the whole ammo of MiG-31 can produce in one gulp. To escape from such a strike impossible.F-15 claims 65,000ft.If you don't understand why I don't trust .ru claims take a look at how many T-14s are storming Ukraine.
>>64844705Well done.
surprisingly in its current operational role the mig-31 is a very glorified c-130 when operating in friendly airspace firing standoff munitions why use an expensive aircraft? just drop a palletized load
>>64844672The real war hasn't even begun yet...
>>64844672USA:>flies over Iran and bombs it with zero fatalities or lost craft>absconded the president of Venezuela after decimating their AA to the point we flew rotary wings in. Took like an hour. Zero losses.Ziggers:>have to use their tiny stock of 31s to effectively toss bomb except with missiles>can't fly over Ukraine itself or they get swatted out of the sky by last gen AAI don't think we need an overweight steel plane that eats it's own engines.
>>64844790Shut the fuck up you nigger. I never claimed once its a good aircraft. If it was up to the US they wouldnt even take off. But it is what it is, and fact is, right now, Ukraine in its current state can't do much to stop their Kinzhal missiles.
>>64844680>no chutesT-they survived, right?
>>64844941Normally I'd post my Larrius Varro "they're all good people now" edit, but I think the crew did survive in that one.
>>64844672>It's causing a ton of problems in Ukraine I am very impressed that your super heavy interceptor designed to hunt down strategic bombers and AWACS can at bare minimum *harass* light weight tactical fighters venturing close the the frontline at stand off distances as long as it has a friendly SAM umbrella to hide in...actually that sounds immensely mediocre when you put it like that, doesn't it? Obviously getting R-37s yeeted at you sucks even if you're a Ukie in an F-16 (even worse in a janky Soviet era Mig-29). But big picture wise that's a pretty goddamn poor return on investment on the Foxhounds (and the VKS in general) part if that's all they can manage.
>>64844672>Why care about stealth if you can just fly very high?
>>64844672>fly highThat was done with the u2. It didn't work out.
>>64844941Yes they did. Here's the 2m33s version with sound. Shows the plane spiral in and the chutes landing. The pilot left the afterburners on too long which is a known issue with these planes. Regardless, I still like the way they lookhttps://litter.catbox.moe/1sspf1.mp4
>>64845131>leave burners on>catch fireThe more I learn about soviet kit the worse it gets.
>>64844683>Starlink down>Russian general shot in MoscowJust a few but the list is probably longer. :-/
>>64845143Euros have followed America's lead and declared open season on Russian tankers
>>64844672>Armstrong limitbody fluids don't like it
Russia seem desperate to sell this shit to India for the past 3 years along with R-37.Every couple of months there's an article in an "Indian" defence news site or blog, shilling itCan you imagine flying these with Indians maintaining the engines and radar?
>>64845718Could it be any worse than russian smekalka?
>>64844961Again. Its still a big problem. Ukies desperately need Typhoon with Meteor missiles.
>>64845753UKies need to get rid of all the pakis and shitskins.
>>64844869Calm down, Abdul. Don't pull out the nine!
>>64844680Umm, excuse me sir, but that's clearly a MiG-31, m'kay...
>>64844672My brother in Christ
>>64844672>why don't the US have an equivalent to horse archers!because everything they have is already better than that, they don't need an equivalent, there's your answer.
>>64847759That has like 1/3rd the range of MIG-31 missiles and 1/6th the NEZ.
>>64848325>NEZ lmaothe R37 is a piece of shit that simply can't hit aircraft with halfdecent warning systems, it can keep up with big aircraft like bombers, it's dogshit for shooting down anything else.at best it can force them to break off and dodge the R37, that thing has only hit aircraft that are unaware of it and aren't maneuvering.
>>64844672I love this plane
>>64844695>mentally ill thirdie doing his falseflag routine againyou're so retarded it's not even funny anymore.
>>64844856>mig-31 is a very glorified c-130 it goes higher and faster which means the munitions start off higher and faster, which is very important if you want them to go farther. also it can probably get closer to enemy SAMs before getting shot down becomes worrisome. also your enemy gets less time to prepare for a strike.
>>64848345>r37 le bad even though experts say it's good because im a contrarian dumbfucksnopes?
>>64848399>i am a contrarianno, generally the people that shill for old soviet missiles that are literally too bad at turning to keep up with anything other than transport aircraft and bombers are the ones being contrarian.
>retards are trying to sell the MIG-31 as a superweapon that the US has no answer for in fucking 2026jesus.
>>64848454Maybe they mean the one from that Clint Eastwood movie?
>>64848451>n-no you
>>64848325This nigga seriously posting about the r-37 like it's even half as effective as it's chink equivalent!? Holy shit is this how far slavniggers have fallen?
>>64848395exactly it's just an expensive missile truck for people who can't operate in the combo area
>>64844672Eagle and Raptor can both do 65000 ft.
>>64848799Max alti =/= cruising alti
>>64844672>Why dont the US have an equivalent of the MIG-31?The american equivialent of the Mig-25, the precursor to Mig-31, was the XF-108 Rapier which was cancelled.
>>64848451>no, generally the people that shill for old soviet missilesTwo old soivet missiles killed a F-18 in 1991 because they could lock on after firing. When the Iraqi Mig-25 broke his short radar lock the F-18 ignored him and kept course, altitude and speed and ate 2 old soviet long range IR homers. Why did it happen? Because such missiles did not exist in NATO and thus did not exist in the mindspace of the USMC pilot. He thought everyone used long range semi active radar homers, just like him and everyone else he knew. I see a similar phenomen wrt chinese weapons today. It can be summed up as "if we dont have it its because it is shit" and "if it is theirs it is shit".
>>64844941They returned to the ground under their own power.
>>64848399>the eperts in question
>>64848454US has every answer to any “MIG” series jet. What it lacks is the moral resolve to commit to fighting Putin, despite clear leadership on this matter from the UKThe yanks could push a button and delete every one from existence, let be real. The task is to counter Russian disinfo so that America is more willing to take common sense steps.
>>64845141The Mig-25 is doing near SR-71 shit without any of the actual engineering to do it reliably. On some level you have to respect it, but it also suffers a lot from the fact that the USSR simply wasn't really up to the task. Engine lives measured in the dozens of hours and an afterburner that you get to use once per engine because no amount of rebuilding can fix that shit once you've started melting it.Fortunately for those pilots, Soviet ejection kit was actually pretty solid.
>>64848862>headcannonok vatnigger>>64848882>The Mig-25 is doing near SR-71 shitdelusional or just a disgusting liar?
>>64848887Its theoretical max is about mach 3.2, though the engines couldn't keep up with it, so the usual operational limit was more like mach 2.8. Obviously the Blackbird could sustain faster, but I don't think it's unreasonable to call that performance 'near' at least when making broad comparisons on how absurd they both are. Sure as shit closer than any other serial production airframe.
>>64844754The problem is the f15 is stuck with shitty aim120s which have no range or potential energy
>>64848991Counterpoint; They hit things
>>64844672This piece of shit was built on the premise of an interceptor in response to the sr71. What's left of them are maintained on hopes and dreams of gaining more vodka.Someone post the f15 kdr yet?
>>64848852Yeah it was a waste of money, but it helped lead the way to the yf12.
America doesn't build aircraft to 1v1 other planes. They will just kill mig-31s using stealth jets guided by a distant AWACS.But this poses an issue for US allies who buy US jets. They don't have the numbers advantages the US does. The mig-31 has a huge radar and long range missiles, allowing long range kills. If europeans were smarter they would have built their own jet with a big radar and long range missiles to fill the niche.
>>64849015Foxhound is a dilapidated piece of shit, with no defenses or munitions other than glide bombs adapted out of desperation.
>>64844808
>>64849015it's not like the Europeans don't have their own AWACS and long range missiles
>>64848882All Soviet gear is designed for a short horrible nuclear war and it shows
>>64849015>has a huge radarfrom the fucking 80's, it's an antiquated piece of shit, it's not compensating for it's technological gap by being "big" you tard.
>>64848879>counter russian disinfoi know that's still you doing the strawman D&C routine where you badly pretend to be a transparent glowie, zigger, this is embarrassing.
>>64848545>no answer>s-stop badmouthing garbage soviet missiles chud!lol
>>64849015>has a huge radarBRB Strapping Chain Home transmission towers to a Piper Cub because "It's bigger" is apparently how Radar works now
>>64845718>>64845729>ziggers>pajeetsthere is a difference?
>>64848887>ok vatniggerHis name was Scott Speicher. Unlike you, he did earn a purple heart.
>>64849167that's kind of irrelevant to the R37 and mig 31 being antiquated pieces of shit in 2026 though.
>>64849156That quite literally is how it works. Collection area is important because radio wave density follows the square cube law. The reflected signal at 100km is 4x weaker than at 50km i.e. to receive the same absolute amount of signal energy the collector's dimensions would need to double in both X and Y axis, assuming the signal is still above noise floor limits.All the fancy electronics and processing advancement is because they can't put a 10 meter wide dish inside of a 1.5-2 meter wide nose.
>>64849015Mig-31's radar is inferior to AWG-9 and its missiles are complete dogshit that doesn't work with completely fabricated paper stats that are only useful for propaganda.
>>64849185>assuming the signal is still above noise floor limits.cool assumption considering soviet electronics couldn't get a fraction of noise filtering of decades old NATO radars
>>64849167your headcannon has nothing to do with him, vatnigger
>>64849138It kind of is though, it has the only Russian radar that even comes close to Western radar
>>64849205>it kind of is thoughit absolutely is not, it's a piece of shit that sucks ass even against significantly smaller western radars, mind you the incident he mentioned happened in fucking 1998, it has been 28 fucking years since then, and russia has stayed frozen in time.
>>64849234>shot down by the ghost of kyivnobody said it was though, we were making fun of it for being a dilapitated piece of shit that falls apart all on it's own. even before the USSR collapsed into a parody of itself, the thing was notoriously difficult to maintain because the engines it used were originally designed for a supersonic cruise missile and were never fucking designed to have a long service life, going fast enough to actually intercept a blackbird meant basically replacing every single part of the engine.
>>64849234>Ghost of Kyivit's amazing how the story made to mock vatniggers claiming to have destroyed the entire Ukraine's airforce in minutes makes them seethei wonder if it's in chugtroon metodichka or if they use it out of their own mindbroken volition.
>>64849254>going fast enough to actually intercept a blackbirdyou need to be faster to intercept it which is not possible, evidenced by the fact that they've never managed to do it despite trying many times.
>>64849258nobody ever even fucking brought up the ghost of kyiv ITT until zigger started to seethe that people were mocking his favourite shitbird, nobody even claimed that video showcases it being shot down. russia is so pathetic that the thing broke down on it's own, which has been a very regular occurance ever since they've had to actually start flying their losttech aircraft with regular cadence. as it turns out your shit breaks down when you have to fly it but are too incompetent to produce any of the parts for it anymore and have to rely on a dwindling stockpile.
>>64848846F-15s max altitude is closer to 100k feet.
>>64849262eh, they got close a few times, if you get advanced warning and your airbase is still ahead of the aircraft, you can get close.a few allied aircraft managed to get close by zoom climbing ahead of it as well.
>>64849258The concept of satire is alien to the seething thirdie mind
>>64849282the only thing i remember from the ghost of kyiv thing at the time was a bunch of people falling for some random unknown stranger posting a video of arma footage and claiming it's an ace pilot, people running with the story for a bit before realizing it's fake, and moving on with their lives.mentally ill contrarians in the west and russian ziggers alike saw this happen, and saw it as their oppertunity to pretend>look...L-LOOK LOOOOK THEY'RE JUST LIKE US, THEY'RE ALSO BRAZEN FUCKING PROPAGANDIZING LIARS LIKE US!when it was just a genuine random nothingburger that people dropped as soon as it was revealed to be misinfo. the desperation with which ziggers will cling to the ghost of kyiv is impressive.
>>64849249Yes but considering the other Soviet planes have basically no radar whatsoever compared to Western planes
>>64849299that's fair.
>>64849262>>64849271The SR-71 literally never flew directly over Soviet airspace. Not a single reconnaissance plane did this since Powers got shot down.
>>64849361while this is true, and it only ever flew along the border and took sideways pictures, that doesn't mean you couldn't have an airbase ahead of it's flightpath vector an intercept, anon. a goalkeeper doesn't have to be faster than a ball to catch it.
>>64844861Looks more impressive than anything Russia has done in 4 years now.Also, Russia's so weak and shit that Estonia can grab their boats without worrying. Estonia!
>>64849361it's funny that soviet pilots seethe about it in their books, hopping the border and back to bait them into turning their radars for ELINT planes to observe.
>>64849015Vatnigga pls, Typhoons with meteors can eat MiG-31s all day and not even break a sweat. Detection and tracking is not just about radar power, but also signal processing and the cross section of your opponent. Why not look into the stats for those latter two for 31/EF and get back to us, eh?
>>64849495also consider that the F35's radar for instance, has almost as many array nodes as the one on the mig-31, despite being significantly smaller and more energy efficient.
>>64849553So you're saying the F-35's radar is better than a radar made forty years earlier?
>>64849553>>64849577No no, it has to be BIGGER. See: >>64849185 for more cope
I just want them to build a new successor to the MiG-31 and want to fly it in War Thunder.
>>64849141>no u are zigger>glowieOk
>>64849194>>64849600You kids are autistically retarded.
>>64849648literally just look up "information space" in the archives and you'll see this mentally ill zigger pop up over and over again pretending to be a UK glowie as a strawman. people on /k/ have known about him for a while now.
could you try this again in less schizo English?
>>64850029very compelling argument zigger, now gtfo
>>64844672>It's causing a ton of problems in UkraineBy burning up mid-flight?
>>64850190lmao @ shizo seethe
>>64844672tossing ALBMs from a zoom climb over safe airspace is a poorfag tactic, but the F-15 is perfectly capable of it and the israelis have used it to take a few shots at iran that way
>>64849611>I just want them to build>newThe only new thing that Russia has built in significant number since the collapse of the USSR is trucks, and even then, only a few hundred.
>>64850190oh hey its that indiana schizoyou really should try being less obvious
>>64850190>NOOOOOO, STOP NOTICING MY OBVIOUS SHILLINGseriously, nigger, who the fuck are you going to convince by badly pretending to be a glowie?>understand that NATO needs to be bolstered in the information space.literally nobody but you uses this phrase, it instantly identifies you.>i'll just pretend to be a really obvious glowie shill but a WESTERN one, and then people will be so offput by the super obvious western shilling hehehelook dude, most people just ignore you because it's that obvious, but i am here to personally humiliate you for being so retarded.since you asked nicely, i'll pull up a few other instances where you do this.https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64625109/#q64634954https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64772367/#q64772473https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64788301/#q64788312https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64435780/#q64435826https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64396708/#q64400921https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64338080/#q64338100https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64308659/#q64330453https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64280604/#q64282801https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64236889/#q64236936https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64228030/#q64228558https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64187896/#q64188268https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64146705/#q64147134https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64137220/#q64142158https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64095696/#q64096043https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64047891/#q64053392https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64014947/#q64047017https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63829174/#q63846774https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64372676/#q64376162https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64156700/#q64156780https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64052173/#q64060210https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63761744/#q63762102https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63751477/#q63756290https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/57657224/#q57659933https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64508476/#q64508928this is some advanced mental illness, i pray for your soul.
>>64850306>REAL men go into a hover an use the cannon!!!It's called JDAM nowadays and yes, real men(nations) can into SEAD and stealth.
>>64850190oh and to go even further>angry rebuttal where you're flabbergasted and astonished that people can recognize you by your writing style and demand that reality make it impossible for people to identify you this way>lack of understanding that being on an anonymous site does not garuantee anonymity if you're really bad at not standing out.>random movie gif completely irrelevant to the postyou are helmettard specically, also known as bagshitter or the indianaschizo.you wanna know why i and most other posters never get called out as "that one guy"?it's because we're not retarded histrionic mental patients that treat shilling for shitholes in ludicrously convoluted patterned ways as a dayjob, you do, that's why you get recognized>inb4 n-no a-actually i-i'm not angry i'm FAMOUS because you bully me for my reprehensible behaviouryou really need to start taking your medication again.
>>64850402you're the only one on this board who regularly has melties about the existence of an archive
>>64850402>identify helmettard>cause instant angry meltdown where he blames the fucking airforce of all people for bullying himKEK, let the helmy melty begin!
>>64850412see >>64850397>inb4 n-no a-actually i-i'm not angry i'm FAMOUS because you bully me for my reprehensible behaviourit's not that i'm good at predicting you, it's that you're THAT retarded helmettard.
>>64845071kek
i miss mikeeUSA, helmettard is a fun lolcow to bully but mikeeUSA was something special. one of those rare schizofailures that had a genuine chance of having a shootout with the cops or something.i fear that he probably just died with a whimper, of his heart complications.
>>64850465because we don't need to, russia is already losing without it, my brown friend.>b-but i feel skeptical about SEADtoo bad, it exists, it works, it's been discussed to death, but thirdies don't like the answers that come out of those discussions so they want another chance to discuss it, but that time has passed.
Look at the sock puppet argument that Russian bots astroturfed to slide the thread, after someone pointed out the importance of countering Russian disinformation. Lol, LMAO even.
>>64850465>so why doesnt nato spend a single afternoon SEAD'ing Rus-india'sEurope is content with Ukraine demilitarizing puccians by itself, US is currently trying to save their failed state from collapse. Both have useful idiots at home repeating fear mongering propaganda on FSB dime over daily nook threats.Though i do wish they'd just fly in, pick up putin from his cuck bunker and fly him to Hague one random day without warning.
>>64850514>i-if i just return to this persona, people will stop making fun of meKEK, look at this little zigger still pretending to be smug after all that humiliation. that's so sad.
>>64850322https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/wider-activities/natos-approach-to-counter-information-threatsDisinformation in its original sense described the intentional spread of false and/or misleading content. Today, however, this word has become an umbrella term for different kinds of phenomena in the information space
>>64848325>R-33/37 family>NEZMore like 95% escape zone, the things are dangerous as hell thanks to the massive range and warhead, but have a tiny fraction of the pK of an in-range AMRAAM since they lack the precious to reliably put the warhead inside the lethal radius of the target (unless its a fat, dumb tanker or whatever). If you can ripple off twelve (i.e. 2 full MiG loads) at every contact they work great, but they cost the earth and take 5ever to build.
>>64850523>zigger trying to get people to defend him by attacking random bystanders You arent fooling anyone Sergei.
>>64850322holy shit what is wrong with these people, they need to get jobs instead of badly pretending to be UK glowies>he's still trying to salvage his act in this thread, even now.oh that's sad.ziggers really only know how to double down, don't they?
>>64850538>>64850548>helmettard is still in the thread pretending to not be madhelmettard, go take a shower and get a job, you have a mental illness and you're dissapointing your parents.
>>64850574>the helmettard meltdown continues>now including talking to his own falseflag postsKEK
Malign actors routinely conduct hostile information operations against NATO, its member countries and its partners. Information threats are intentional, harmful, manipulative and coordinated activities – including information manipulation and interference by foreign actors and disinformation spread through traditional and social media – designed to create confusion, deepen divisions, destabilise societies and ultimately weaken the Alliance. NATO works closely with Allies and partners to understand, counter and build resilience against these information threats.
>>64850639>i-i'm not mad, s-stupid eglin noooooticer>s-see, i-i can keep going, y-you haven't discouraged me!KEK, the melty continues, he's so much fun to tease.
>>64844867It's very obvious we paid off Venezuela, by the fact nobody shot at the helicopters other than small arms fire from Maduro's personal security detail and still almost shot one down.
>>64850693we didn't, some of them tried to shoot at the helicopters and got vaporized.thirdie AA is just that bad, both russian and chinese, they stand zero chance against a US incursion.the fact that some people cannot accept this plays into the favor of the US, they will hide behind the false security that it was totally the US bribing everyone and the next time the same exact AA systems that got raped will totally work this time.
Fun fact: the engine of the MiG-31 probably decreased max speed (idk if it works well as turbo-ramjet) and it's kinda similar to the Saab 37 Viggen because it's a heavily modified airliner engine with added afterburner (closer in size to a J57 converted in turbofan [aka JT3D or TF33] instead of the J52 [JT8D])Thanks for coming to my TED talk
>>64850727i'm curious how many of these engines they have left to cannibalise parts from before they have to seriously start reducing flight hours.
>>64850747>The Mig-31 can fly normally at around 82,000 feet, that's just a fact.mig-31 never actually lifted off the ground, it's a completely made-up fabrication, that's just a fact.
>>64850747>f35 before the F35that's really stretching the definition of F35 lolas in it used rudimentary datalink? i'm pretty sure even the foxbat did that.
>>64850747>Also the Mig-31 was basically the F-35 before the F-35pfffft ahahaha>Mig-31 is basically F-35 that can't do anything F-35 can and has absolutely nothing in common
>>64850770>pretty retardedyeah, pretty retarded how much you've deluded yourself>e-except they aren'tthey are, but westerners tend to have better opsec, so it's kept pretty quiet.>t-they would have been destroyed by any type of AAthey weren't, because we have SEAD and shitty third-world AA stands absolutely no chance against SEAD and DEAD doctrine.deluding yourself by lying and pretending that we magically bribed the whole country instead of BTFOing the is sad, you gotta find a different coping method.
>>64850770>they didn't get shot down?>must be American bribes>no way somebody learned some lessons from an outspoken fuckup, that's literally impossible>we india doesn't operate chinooks, saar
>>64850793>t-the aviation experts>on /k/>i am an outsiderwe know.>this is common knowledgeit's common knowledge that rudimentary datalink that allowed for sharing of targeting data was indeed appearing in both the USSR and US at the time. instantly discrediting yourself by comparing it to the F35 is very silly though.
>>64850793>It's wasn't rudimentary thoughvatnigger cannot comprehend anything more advanced than a radar blip on the screen, more news at 11>a bunch of Mig-31's would fly together and basically link up their computers and share the targeting datamig-31 has had zero combat testing outside of shooting down its wingmen and lobbing ballistic missiles at Ukraine. it doesn't have a functional radar at all for all we know.
>>64850794>We would fly a bunch of helicopters with the best trained special forces into anything but an environment with no resistanceYeah. Also ask yourself, how could it have been done without detailed knowledge of the interior of Maduro's compound? You think a bunch of guys are going to be fumbling around a building trying to find their way around?
>I should see Ukrainian F-16's flying at all in Ukraine, except they aren't
>>64850816>We would fly a bunch of helicopters with the best trained special forces into anything but an environment with no resistanceAn optimistic way to describe US SEAD but ok.
>>64850750>surely Russia will run out of MIG-31 engines any day now!>>64850770>Fact is that we flew a bunch of Chinooks and other helicopters low level over a city, they would have been destroyed by any type of AA, especially AA guns and manpads, like black hawk down all over again.and the geopolitical catastrophe the venezuelan opp would have had, had it gone the blackhawk-down route, would have unironically sacked the entire Trump admin, especially after all the drama the innocent-good-guy 1 way off-shore quad-motored fishing boat detonations caused
>>64850816>y-yeah>h-how would it have been done without detailed knowledge of maduro's compound.that's what the space force, cyberdivision and general glowie magicks are for, we don't have to bribe anyone to know about that.>trying to find their way aroundKEKanyway, it's cute that some people have to pretend that the US can just "buy" an entire military, and all US rapes of foreign militaries are invalidated by this, but it looks like a really silly argument to anyone with any amount of common sense.
>>64850465Why end the war quickly giving Russia a chance to regroup when we can keep it going for several more years,possibly decades, letting Russia bleed out so much it won't be a threat for another century?
>>64850822>surely Russia will run out of MIG-31 engines any day now!unless they run out of planes before they run out of engines we'll see a downturn in weekly sorties, if we haven't already.
>>64850825>magicksLike paying them off which was why there was no resistance.
>>64850822>n-no, russia is not a rotting corpse pretending to be the USSR!>that's why their sortie rates are so bad and their aircraft keep breaking in half or lighting on fire in mid-air ala >>64844680>t-they're supposed to do that chud!kek.>and the geopolitical catastrophethankfully, judging by the images of raped AA systems we saw after the fact, it's pretty clear that US SEAD doctrine did it's job and prevented that from happening by absolutely raping the AA.
>>64850739The Soloviev D-30 was a solid engine, with modifications for higher speed (mostly a smaller fan) it was ok for a large fighter. Technologically it's similar to the Spey or TF30 (this engine has uncooled HP turbine).>t 122,000 feet?Ballistic ceiling is mostly irrelevant because engines will flame out way before that altitude. >>64850750I don't know the exact engine life but their increased the turbine temperature, from 1400-1460K to 1660K (1130-1190 ºC to ~1390ºC), similar to the AL-31F but earlier, that surely reduced the engine life but Soloviev (later Aviadvigatel and a subsidiary of UEC) is their main engine builder for large and advanced turbofan, if they can't get spare parts is for pure incompetence and corruption. The airframes themselves must be even more problematic.
>>64850842and other fantasies you can tell yourself so you can pretend the next thirdie shithole with the same AA will totally stand a chance this time.
>>64850842>just bribe an entire military bro>it's that easy>there was no resistance>ignore all the shooting and smoked AA, they were bribed to burn them downat least the djinn isn't involved this time
>>64850855conceptually you're the same as a water flea, if you squnt hard enough.
>>64850855conceptually my asshole farting is a jet engine, but i'm not gonna call it one.
>>64850865>b-but as long as i can brag about russia killing civilians while russia loses the attritional war, everything will be okay.alright.
>>64850862Yeah sorry but all the evidence points to that. Otherwise all those helicopters would probably have been destroyed on the ground or shot down (dd you even see how low they were flying) and whatever forces deployed on the ground likely surrounded and cut off while they try to find their way around a building they don't know the interior of. It's not like wouldn't know they are being attacked.
>>64850873>b-but what if i cut the clip so that it sounds like lindsey is saying something he isn't.confirmed ziggerbrain lol, i saw you guys salivate over this for weeks despite it being a complete nothingburger.
>>64850880>Yeah sorry but all the evidence points to thatWhich is?>Otherwise all those helicopters would probably have been destroyed on the ground or shot downThat's it? All you have is turdie befuddlement and inability to comprehend SEAD?
>>64850880>y-yeah sorry but all the evidence points to that.all the AA trying to fight back and getting fucking smoked points to that? you're retarded lmao.>n-no you don't see, according to my fantasy thirdie AA HAS to be effective, to they HAD to have been bribed, otherwise reality doesn't match up with my delusions.they weren't shot down, because they failed to do so, because their anti-air got raped and supressed, sorry.
>>64844683Russia lost 80% of their rocket fuel production
>>64844680Where's this from?
>>64850911the glorious motherland.
>>64850897There was no AA. How are a handful of helicopters going to NOT get shot down flying over a city, which no doubt has AA guns, MANPADS and other mobile AA assets hidden throughout? Fact is that the actual military did not fire at them. You could see it in the videos, there is quite a lack of anyone shooting at all.
>>64850918>t-there was no AAthen where did all of those burnt out husks of long-range AA come from, anon?>h-how?your astonishment is not a defense nor an argument.>t-the fact isno, your fantasy is, reality says otherwise, you're like a digger wasp, you keep going back to square one because of your astonishment at SEAD capabilities. in order to move on you're going to have to self-correct and accept that you were wrong about this, otherwise you will be stuck in an eternal loop of not understanding and being flabbergasted by reality.>you could see it in the videos>there is a lack of anyone shooting at alldid we watch the same fucking videos?
>>64850747MiG-31s can barely fly as issee >>64844680
>>64850924>angry helmettard continues to have melty because russia is losing, shits out more fanfictionKEK, you never get tired of humiliating yourself, do you?
>>64850898>Russia lost 80% of their rocket fuel production>paradoxically....Russia shoots 800% more rockets and drones than ever beforemythical ziggermancy continues
>>64850953>paradoxically, russia [zigger fanfiction]angry zigger seething at losing the attritional war continues.
this is a good thread filled with tons of contrarian loser meltdowns, i love it.i wonder what's causing all of them, did another russian general get assassinated?
>>64850869Mig-31 is also a fast, high altitude long range interceptor, the F35 is not though.
>>64850967>from the 80's, and hopelessly outranged and outdated by anything moderntrue.and of course in everything else it's also way worse than the F35
>>64850747>Also the Mig-31 was basically the F-35 before the F-35, it could track and share the data with other aircraft to sweep wide areas and do other stuff. To answer OP, the F-14 is the most similar.
>>64850947What's really a fantasy is thinking a country can just pull up in Chinooks over a city and not get shot down by MANPADs and AA guns, like literally HMG fire is enough at the altitudes they were at. The fact it's admitted we almost lost a helicopter (and to small arms fire) is telling enough. It would have been impossible to conduct that operation otherwise, even if the military was bought off, all troops who managed to get into the building would have died easily if they did not know the interior, let alone get close to Maduro without him escaping, either. To think we would have even attempted something like this the way you're saying is ludicrous. >Knowing the terrain isn't one of the fundamentals of fighting
>>64850967>long range>has less legs than F-16
>>64850996Russia doesn't publish statistics like this for their aircraft.I wonder why
>>64850996There are more F-35s in the air right now than there are mogged-31s in service
>>64850994>What's really a fantasy is thinking a country can just pull up in Chinooks over a city and not get shot down by MANPADs and AA guns,They just did.
>>64851008both have horrifically short range, especially considering their size
>64850924>minruls
>>64851024>It has a similar range than the F-15 with CFDvatnigger delusions, lmao
>all samefagging nuked in one fell swoopalways funny to see his efforts not just wasted but also exposed like that with a simple trick
>>64850994>w-what's a fantasy is challenging my argument from incredulity because i'm an idiotmmmhm, sure bud. next time we humiliate another country in a conflict it'll totally be because we paid them all to give up and surrender but still kind of maybe pretend to fight us by shooting bullets scarily close, right.>and to small arms firegoes to show how retarded you areone of them was damaged by manpads lol.they got a few off, but most of them got raped by return fire.
>>64851072>Guess what, 16 tons of fuel and turbofans can be very long legs.not on a lead sled of an aircraft with engines designed for a cruise missile without fuel efficiency in mind.your flying anvil is a pathetic failure, and always has been btw, in every aspect.
>>64851078it's incredibly how angry he gets when he's noooooooticed, yet he's just too retarded to, for two seconds, stop typing like a schizo and just write like a normal person instead.
>>64851081>janny didn't get me, i just deleted all my posts on my own, along with all those posts made by people who aren't me but push the same shit in the same way, simultaneouslythis is the schizoposting i come to these threads for
>>64851094mig-31 is closer to mig-25 than it is to any contemporary NATO fighter, seethe vatnigger shill
>>64850873How does it feel seeing you monke leader being drawn ever deeper into ruining your country for many decades to come and NATO not even paying with any blood for that but a measly 0.7% of their GDP?
>>64850693This. The Iranian mullahs also took a dive for cash. There isn't a sovereign country in existence today that isnt under the thrall of the jews. Its all a puppet show.
>>64851101Are you sure? Because it looks a lot like someone finally got off their ass and deleted a quarter of the thread full of your seething.And the bragging about a force you associate yourself with for some reason murdering civilians, that too.
>>64851310>N-NO, I-I WAS S-SMUG THE WHOLE TIMEembarrassing lmao
man the lengths helmettard will go through to sound unbothered are immense.
>>64845155Wut? Half of europe did it before trump started messing with vuvuzela
>>64851091Not to mention there's a time limit on post deletion. You can't delete old posts.
>>64844680This is C&C Red Alert FMV footage saaaaar.
>>64851558nonono anon you have to understand it was a super clever ruse and he did not just have a massive meltdown over being identified and then try to proclaim victory at the end because the janny got rid of his posts.
>>64849292My favorite variant is NAFO. Literally no one would EVER have remembered a post with like 4 likes without the help of countless ziggers worldwide.Thanks ziggies!
hey now, would not want to escalate the situation
>>64844672Rust bucket lmao
>>64850953Get in line for bread asshole dumb peasant
>>64851629>saved a linknope, most of them were already found in the archives, other anons had already discussed his illness in the past, i didn't really have to do any work at all, unlike the guy who's constantly badly pretending to be a UK glowie.
>>64850397>>64850419lol at the anime picture attached to these obvious shill posts Someone paid a “quality learing center” type organization to study how to spam 4chan, and this is what we get.
>>64852726It's actually made from stainless steel, so it is very corrosion resistant.Shows what the average /k/ tard knows, basically nothing.
>>64850419>air force of all peoplethat one does have its own strained logic.he blames the Air Force because there's an Intel / Cryptology center in Eglin AFB.
>>64844672We had different doctrine and operational requirements
>>64853594then why do they keep falling out of the sky?
>>64853586>angry zigger laments that angry ziggers get identified and humiliated by actual board denizens, while they don't belong here at alldelicious seethe.>i-i hate anime!anime website, newfag reddit transplant.
>>64850446mikeeUSA is on pol now>how do I know?He is the only guy yapping about child brides non-stop.
>>64853927good to see he's still alive, there's still a chance he'll provide us kino in the form of suicide by cop.
>>64850898Decylin-Mhttps://www.kyivpost.com/post/69629
>>64853994Love reading about industry like thishttps://theins.press/en/inv/287606
>>64853918When you have to tell people "I am an actual board denizen", that means you lost and your spam sucked assGo back and tell the think tank to spend less of their budget on diversity and conferences, and more of their budget coming up with a better anti-Russia 4chan dialogue script. But I doubt they give a shit, as long as they get paid lol
