(tactically speaking)
>>64914827Keep it up for a few more weeks and see if the body of the people have it in them to finish the job.
>>64914827the bombing will continue until morale improves(and by morale improving I mean regime change)
They are all muslim in the same way that americans are all christian
>>64914834Not that I don't think the will is there but I don't think relying on the civilian population to rise up and take over is achievable in a country like Iran. Without outside influence they're probably gonna devolve into civil war as proxies fight for power.
>>64914827Keep bombing the hardline politicians, military and IRGC until they are either all dead or they raise the white flag of surrender
>>64914834Most of the people who were willing to fight were killed when Trump said help was coming and then fingered his ass for a month. Expect a rally around the flag instead
Nothing. You can't regime change with an air campaign. Iran will just be a point in Trump's long list of blustering failures.
>>64914842Still an improvement.But in seriousness, I get that. Just fuck doing it ourselves. We can prop up whoever sets up in Tehran first if we have to, or maybe we just leave the place in a pile of rubble, whatever. Trying to clean up Afghanistan after we broke it by accident didn't work out, so let's not try again.
>>64914854Eh i don't really mind a civil warbut i am worried about any of the faction chimping out in the persian gulf and the refugee crisis that would come from civil war
>>64914854Right but just bombing the shit outta Iran and fucking off isn't going to achieve anything either, infact it's just going to harbor more resentment and become another problem in the future to deal with. Unless the US has serious plans on backing somebody and have everything in place to begin after the bombings then what are we doing? If Trump's statement is anything to be believe from last night...he just wants to the local population to deal with the aftermath which would be a disaster.
>>64914827The only ethnic that one out are Azeris (biggest source of spy for Israel), Kurd and maybe Baloch. The rest is kinda don't really care. Iran biggest problem was rural who are biggest Khomeini supporters.
>>64914853Saving this post.
>>64914853They can. See Serbia and Libya.
hmm, what is to stop Iran becoming Afghanistan 2.0? are the IRGC as fanatical as the Taliban?
>>64914863I'm serious but literally nobody fucking like the iranian regime, they literally have been protesting yearly since 2016 and just a month ago, the iranian government fucking killed ten of thousands of people just to end the massive protests after the economy explodedAmerican could storm in and burn iranian cities to the ground and the average iranian would hate the government more than anything
>>64914874>I'm serious but literally nobody fucking like the iranian regimeRural hillbillies loves the regime tho. For religious reasons.
>>64914874I know that and I understand that but what's the actual plan with Iran now? That's the worrying part because we haven't seen much happen after venezuela either. We took Maduro but his same shitty corrupt party is still in power so nobody's lives are getting any better over there. I don't want to be cynical about it but it's hard not to.
>>64914871no caves where they can hide. also iran saw a period of western-like prosperity so they know what's it like outside, unlike the taliban goatfuckers who only know about death and misery.
>>64914885Really? I thought iran had a lot of fuckin caves for them to hide in?
>>64914827I wonder if Aliyev has ordered his General Staff to draw up "liberation" plans for Iranian Azerbaijan.
>>64914867There was no regime change in Serbia. It's still filled with the same genocidal fucks as back then.Libya is 1% the size of Iran and already had a civil war and didn't have the same oppressive infrastructure as Iran. Iran like China and Russia is built on repression, the civilians don't have guns. It's that simple.
>>64914881I assume the plan is the same. Keep the existing government structure but bully them and force them to capitulate on policies at gun point. Foster a local opposition political party or movement that has a little more legitimacy than mere plants ie bring political leaders in exile. Force the existing government to leave them alone at gunpoint. Eventually force them to transition power at gunpoint, ideally in a democratic way. Use the existing regime as glorified scafolding for the new one.It's basically an experiment in doing the opposite of nation building we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan. The planners behind it must have specifically analyzed why they failed and are testing if this will work instead.
>>64914902Wouldn't be surprising if they occupied the Kurdish areas along the way.
>>64914853Apparently they can kill the entire leadership.
>>64914999I feel like the issue with forcing the current regime to transition out of power via gunpoint is that they aren't corrupt mobsters like Maduro and his gaggle of retards. The Iranian regime are fucking horrible but they're also not going to take it lying down. I imagine they're gonna fight back as hard as their circumstances will allow them because it's existential in nature for them, they got nothing to lose. Also we're extorting the venezuelan's oil but what we benefit from toppling Iran is a little more abstract to define.
>>64915023Could we just drive them into civil war n shit? the condition are all there
>>64914888as fanatic as they are, they know better not to rouse the giants that lurk beneath
>>64915029We could but that'll just create a new quagmire in the region and even more proxies that we'll have to keep a close eye on and potentially get involved in the future.
>>64914902There's no Iranian Azerbaijani separatism to exploit.
>>64915052I mean it could workThere certainly not going to fight for it themselves but if it were to happen, i think they would be happy to find themselves in a economically stable country that doesn't force women to wrap there head in a black towel or forcefully troon you out for being a faggot
>>64915034Could the US Armed Forces defeat a Balrog?
>>64914827>RIGHT, NOW DON'T DO IT AGAINThat's it.We leave.We do not set a single foot in Iran.Nor do we let them come in.Nor do we give them any aid whatsoever. NONE.Do not pass Tehran, do not collect 200 riyals.We bomb them again if they threaten us again, that's it.
>>64915064a giant? no issue. a balrog is an angel of destruction, i bet they eat nukes for breakfast.
>>64915070In the movie, Gandalf used a lightning bolt to defeat it.
>>64915072>In the movielol>lightning boltit's magic that looks like a lightning bolt, a balrog shits on regular lightning
>>64915064They could subject it to endless slideshows of safety operations of coffee machines to PT belts and just watch it hurl itself into a deep hole
>>64915075So you're saying an A-10 Thunderbolt will be sufficient?
>>64915052There isn't, but it wouldn't be a long shot to say that the relatively well equipped and battle experienced Azeri military could move in and take over the region, assuming there isn't much resistance from the locals.
>>64915077notry a P-38 or F-35
>>64915078Hell i'm pretty sure they could easily recruit, what would the people there rather have? a economy that actually work or a regime that have killed ten of thousands of people and will literally troon you out if your a faggot
>>64915082It would probably depend on how quickly Azeris are able to move in and how cordial they are with the locals, but yeah.
>>64915086Hmm, I feel like if the azeris strike fast, i feel like they could get pretty deep inpretty get some dollars and shekels and air support and i think they could do very good for themselves
>>64915091Don't forget that Azeris have a decently adequate air force themselves, plus all the roach drones.They could do very well.
the real issue is that our guys in the region are the liberalized urbanites and getting them to fight is going to be hard.the hope id think is that the regular army flips, which is possible since the regular army does not like the irgc. Both are essentially the private army of warlords, the regular army was just big and strong enough to survive the revolution and so got integrated into the structure of iran. Their leadership is still the old elites. The irgc has economic dominance by using their share of conscripts for unpaid labor in various business ventures and the army elites might be looking at that and imagining it being them.whatever the case i hope we just keep bombing irgc untill there are none left>>64915069they will always do it again they have lost touch with reality we just have to kill them.
Obviously Iranian Azerbaijan should join with Azerbaijan, Iranian Kurdistan with Iraqi Kurdistan (de facto independent) and Turkish Kurdistan, Iranian Baluschistan with Pakistani Baluchistan (and together with India and Afghanistan put an end to the Pakistani experiment). Arabistan should have been Iraq's but after Saddam's failed invasion they don't want anything to do with Iraq, perhaps if they were offered more autonomy, but I suspect they'd rather be their own thing (low population and oil will make them another Kuwait).
I don't think people understand very well how deep the Pasdaran system is and how influent its members are.A change of regime is possible but very unlikely without a proper ground operation.
>>64914827give more money to Israel
>>64914827What goes on here?
>>64915137We'll simply keep killing whoever's in charge until they get the hint and start behaving the way we want them to.
>>64915817Things that require the lack of habitation.Seriously though, its either a desert or an arid mountain. The majority of the population is in Tehran along the banks of the Caspian Sea there.>>64915137What would you suggest that does not involve the US invading?
>>64915897>What would you suggest that does not involve the US invading?Make US manufacturers build 10 million shitty AR-15s for two hundred dollars, and drop them over cities with a couple of loaded mags.
>>64915897>Things that require the lack of habitation.Holy ESL
>>64914827Dropping guns and ammoPopcorn
>>64914881>>64914999>>64915023The son of their last king has been in America for some time now. He's involved and reinstatement of the monarchy is likely to be the planned move. Hopefully it's a constitutional monarchy and not an absolute.
>>64915823Wasn't that what happened in Chille?Prospective head keep getting killed until somebody fit for everybody got the chair?
I'd rather keep up precision strikes until the Iranians prop up someone willing to surrender. I'd rather not see some of Iran's old cities and heritage sites go up in smoke and ashes for the 'glory' of Allah/YHVH
>>64915823Your post just proved my point.
>>64915897Nothing but stop dropping billions of dollars for the sole sake of Israël PM.You can kill a bunch of assholes but bringing down a whole state is another kind of challenge. You won't do it with a bombing campain.
>>64914867Milosevic was removed on election 1 year after the last bomb was dropped
>>64914902Azerbaijan is a small country, whatever gains they make would be recaptured eventually like Nagorno-Karabakh and it would seriously piss off Iran for decades to come.
>>64914827They keep it up until they have the mid-term election fixed. Then Trump eats the pizza he ordered during a live press conference.
>>64915919Not only was that perfectly suitable English, but you missed the typing mistake I DID make.
Did Iran do anything except dislike Israel to actually get invaded? I haven't been keeping up with shitskinistanis lately.
>>64916714Basically every terrorist org in the Middle East is funded by them.
>>64915817Don't worry about it.
>>64916736Lmao. You turdies never cease to entertain
>>64914846>IRGCThis is the big problem, they are the most well armed group of Iran, and they will not give up power just because their leader got bombed
>>64916750At this point I'm assuming that Israel wants am even more anti-Israeli leader in charge of Iran just to justify more goy shekels for protection.
>>64914902No, but they are definitely drawing plans for Armenia.
>>64916714They're hated by every single country around them not for lack of reason. The Israelis take all the smoke for it, but SA and Kuwait fucking hate them, as does the UAE, and increasingly, Qatar. It was SA and Israel together that rapidly urged the preemptive daytime strikes to kill IRGC leadership on Saturday.
>get new leader>start making more ballistic missiles>repeat in one year
>>64916750They're currently getting every single one of their military bases blown the fuck up. What power? When all their tanks, planes, artillery, and munitions stockpiles are rubble, it's only a matter of time before the retards in these units give up and desert. Exactly what happens in Iraq in 03. You fucking annihilate the brown retards with overwhelming force and show them that fighting means certain death, and their inherent sand-monkey instincts kick in and they run like cowards.
>>64914827Power vacuum followed by something worse in 10-ish years. Then we bomb them again.
>>64914827Who the fuck knows. There isn't any coherent plan here besides "they're weak now so let's fuck them up and hope they collapse". As much as I hate the regime in Iran, and while they are retarded in many ways, they're not going to be toppled by a bombing campaign. Both sides will sling shit at each other until they run out of ammo, which could be months depending on how the intensity holds up. And after all of this, it will still be the Islamic Republic of Iran.
>>64914827trump cucks.new regime - same as the old regime - takes over and the can is kicked down the road.
>>64916788Don't forget Bahrain, who just took a bunch of missile and drone strikes on random civilian targets. And Afghanistan, who have a huge water rights dispute with them. And Syria, whose new government spent the last decade fighting a dude propped up by them.Iran is not very good at making friends.
>>64916806Would you bet your life on this?
>>64916714They've been shitstirring the entire region and basically their only friend was Syria. Qatar, UAE, Iraq, SA (especially), Egypt, Kuwait, everyone else would have pissed themselves laughing if a nuke from Israel turned Tehran into a parking lot.
>>64916824Obviously not retard. I wouldn't bet my life on anything.
>>64916806>they're not going to be toppled by a bombing campaignNo, but they can absolutely be toppled by a bunch of rebels fed up with their lack of power and water in the capital, who conveniently received a bunch of free guns and munitions from a mysterious merchant with a hook-shaped nose. The bombing campaign ensures that the regime cannot respond quickly and decisively as they did last time.
>>64915817Skynet
>>64914827Convince the IRG and Military to surrender (hardest part) Convince regional allies to form a Muslim led multinational peacekeeping force to stabilize the country while a transitional government is set up (possibly involve Palavi)End sanctions, set up global aid and investment in rebuilding
>>64915995He's said he would only be involved in a transitional government towards a democracy
>>64914827The Qashqai must be free.
>>64914827Keep bombing them until stockpile is dry then declare victory.
>>64914834I don’t think the people of Iran will be able to rise up without access to heavy weaponry. Partisans can only secure so much from government stockpiles. Maybe if we airdropped in some weapons?
>>64914846Worked in Afghanistan.
Why are people wanting to genocide the Iranians? They've never even attacked yank soil.
>>64914862>Iranian refugee crisis>Not wanting the West to be flooded by Catherine Bell lookalikes
>>64916927>I want brown people in my country to get fucked by and to fuckFare you french?
>>64914888The IRCG is part of the upper strata of Iranian society; they're not the guys sitting in caves, they're the guys directing others to sit in caves. On top of that, have you looked at a population density map of Iran? There is a reason why over half of Iran is either uninhabited or very sparsely inhabited and it isn't because of an abundance of water and food.
>>64914827personally I'm waiting for >Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iranedits
>(tactically speaking)Keep bombing until people forget about the Epstein files.>>64916926Edgy little kids love to behave in the opposite way to what their parent shave told them to whenever they feel their parents won't catch them doing so.
>>64914827Through succession or revolution, install a regime in Tehran that will play ball with America. Get them to stop funding every terrorist group in the ME, and then forge a peace between Israel, Turkey, and the Gulf States.Long term, the U.S. receives friendly or at least acceptable regimes in the region capable of managing their affairs without massive U.S. commitment while also limiting China and Russia's access.
>>64916926Because we're Americans and we can do whatever the fuck we want!
>>64916926Nobody wants to genocide Iranians, we want to free them from subhuman muzdog brown retards.
>>64914827Turns out the religion thing is a lie, most of the population is only Shia on paper
hey can anyone tell me what the implications of rogue generals operating missile launchers completely independently are? iran is still strong guys right?
>>64917074>Omansomeone must have a raging hate-boner for the Ibadites. Not unexpected, it is common for shiite and sunni rats to despise their kharijite betters.
>>64914839So, 30% of them are incredibly hardcore Muslim, 20% are atheists, and the remainder have no firmly held beliefs and will do whatever is popular?
yea i've seen enoughif the pussies across the pond are finally stepping in to help, then it's truly done for the IRGC lmaomaybe we'll finally see some of that famous rafale technology i hear so much about from saars
>>64917120And that seals it. US won and Iran/it's "allies" lost. Europe coming in after day 1 means that they have enough Intel to tell them that if they don't do something, then US gets everything.
>>64917059Their people support their current government more than any other alternative. They are brown people that support brown shit. Why can't we just leave them to their sandnig ways?
>>64917097Yes
>>64917131Well at least 30,000-50,000 didnt a month ago.
>>64917074>e what the implications of rogue generals operating missile launchers completely independently are? iran is still strong guy right?I read they changed their operations directive after last year when Israel successfully stopped launches and now regional military commanders can authorize ballistic missile launches instead of relaying on central authority
>>64917135this>>64917131and also because they don't just keep to themselves but its very funny how you retards want to carry water for this regime acting like theyre just heckin wholesome good boys who dindu nuffin
>>64917135I've not seen 50k bodies, please show me anything close to that scale. And guess what brown people kill brown people, it's what they do, there is no stopping it unless you get rid of all browns.
>>64917160There were some leaked photos that showed hundreds of bodies, conservatively over 10k are dead, many more are missing
>>64917150>and also because they don't just keep to themselvesThat's because it an Israel, and by proxy America, are constantly killing fellow browns. To me it's understandable why they hate Israel. And if Iran is wrong for fucking around in the desert, then how is Israel not the same for genociding their muslim cousins? I'm not saying they are innocent, no one there is, I'm saying this is a pointless blood shedding that will only increase suffering.
>>64917172Please show me the tens of thousands bodies. Not a group of a hundred or two, but anything in the scale of the claimed 50k.
>>64917177The Iranian people dont give a fuck about Israel, Israel has made it apparent from day 1 they support the old secular regime that many Iranians like. Israel/Iran for a moment were friendly when everyone else in the region were violent islamists. Persians just wamt to grill.
>>64917120The source is some random Dunecoon Twitter account, anon.If the UK, France and motherfucking Germany actually said "Yeah, fuck 'em, we're going to drop some bombs over yonder too, join in on the fun." you'd hear it in the news the world over.
>>64917177yea you're a brown retardnobody in the region likes iran, they're not fighting on behalf of the other browns, they just want to control the ME, that's it
>>64917184Show us the dead Iranian schoolgirls supposedly killed by Israel.
>>64917193Here is one saying UK is already intercepting https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-raf-shoots-down-iranian-drone-1782319
>>64917184Really tragic stuff, here are the remains of some 10,000 rural Persians after getting vaporized by the goy beam.
This war is so laughably easy, why didn't we do this ages ago? Why the fuck did Dubya fumble his invasions so much? Did our tech and planning really get that much better in just 25 years time?
>>64917200
>>64917189The entire Arab world hates Israel, even if their leaders love Israel now. I doubt only the Arabs, they are Arabs to me, in Iran like Israel. Most in the west do not like Israel, not to the same degree of course.
>>64917213You cant can you? Getting any photos out of Iran right now is really hard. We're going by aggregation.
>>64917200Why were they in school on a Saturday?
>>64917200I never claimed that, I'm not an Iranian shill. I'm not even on their side, I just don't support this bombing.
>>64917215>Arabs>IranMy fellow American shut the fuck up youre making us look bad.
>>64917212Hearts-and-minds nigger boomers in the military brass that tried to play politics in war. Turns out just killing the leadership and decapitation of the military to the point where they can only impotently lob missiles everywhere is a sound strategy.
>>64917223Why do you not support the bombing though? I hate Muslims and Israel I jist want Persians to be free.
>>64917219lots of places have one-day weekends anon, hell until the 2000s japan had school on saturdays
>>64917215>iranians>arabs
>>64917195>they just want to control the MEWhen was the last time they invaded another nation? I can think of Israel doing it a number of times in the last decade.
>>64914827Hopefully we do what we did to Venezuela and install someone within the current power structure that's willing to play ball and disband the IRGC
>>64917212We legitimately couldn't pull this shit off 25 years ago. That's how much tech and info gathering has advanced.
>>64917235>>64917225They are Arabs, even if you do not like it.
>>649148274 more weeks
>>64917131>Why can't we just leave them to their sandnig ways?Turns out when you keep exporting terrorism and giving advanced weapons, not just a couple crates of RPGs and AK, to people who go on to cause major headaches for the rest of the world, ie the Houthis and Hamas, you're going to get your shit slapped.
>>64917244Also 25 years ago fracking had not been a thing yet, so attacking Iran would have killed fuel.
>>64917249THEY ALL MESSICANS TUH ME
>>64917241zigger alert!i guess syria, yemen, iraq, and lebanon don't count because they weren't in uniformKYS zigger
>>64917231Persia is free, this muslim government is more popular than any secular or monarch government that would be imposed from outside. They are just horrid people that need autocracy, like every part of the Arab world. Unless you want to genocide them all and replace them with Whites then this is pointless suffering.
Iran and America are largely similar. If aliens came, disintigrated everyone in the Epstein files and left everyone else alone I dont think many Americans would be upset. Similar thing with the US killing off the IRGC and the extremists in Iran.
>>64917203Yeah, UK has some ship(s?) there and is helping defend the uninvolved as well as their own shit.But there's absolutely no word of something like Du Gaulle joining in to bomb the place or any continental EU nation sending its own jets to get some practice from Arab airfields of US carriers.Quite a far cry from "We are going to come in and destroy Iranian military capabilities as a defensive precaution."Or at the very least I haven't seen it anywhere outside of the single tweet in Arabic that liveuamaps picked up on and anon reposted.
>1 B-2 can carry 80 500lb JDAMsDoomed.
>>64917268Yeah but theyre not neutral are they? We ignore Turkmenistan because they arent funding terror cells across Eurasia.
>>64917189>Persians just wamt to grill.Persians are the people who ousted the old regime and turned Iran into what it is today. It was popular revolution, nearly bloodless due to its almost universal support that ousted the shah. People want to gaslight you into imagining every Iranian wants the government overthrown-this is untrue. There are a LOT of more liberal people in cities, and that's who gets the international attention. More or less you're seeing the opinions of Iran's Portland, and imagining the whole country supports their beliefs. It is untrue and acting on this false premise will lead to disaster.It is important to separate ones personal beliefs from the matter. Westerners want to believe Iranians are well educated and support freedom and an open society. Some do. Many do not. It's the same deal with China. Why did Tienanmen square happen? A fool will say because the Chinese people wanted freedom. In reality, the Chinese people followed orders, gunned down their countrymen, and pretended nothing happened. Iran couldn't gun down tens of thousands of protesters if they didn't have an equal or greater number of supporters.
>>64917280>Bro trust me they love it!Lmao
>>64917267When did Iran invade Syria? Where were the tanks and the planes?
>>64917193that account is widely trusted and has accurately reported on nearly all of the political developments in the past 48 hours
>>64917296Who is "we"?
>>64917288they literally funded the syrain war on behalf of assad and sent billions in weapons to him to slaughter some 500k people you are such a massive fucking zigger faggot for this onejust kys>>64917296brown seething tankie
>>64917286Some do, yes. There are large numbers of Iranians who fervently support their government. This is no different from Afghanistan.>bro everyone totally supports the northern alliance nobody likes the Taliban!It's simply not true. They're not American. They do not by and large believe in freedom the way we do.That doesn't mean we shouldn't bomb them. But an understanding of the reality of the situation is necessary, to prevent us from wasting two decades propping up a house of cards that will collapse the second we leave. Iran has done plenty to earn what it's getting now.
>>64914853So you're telling me if you airstrike every member of a regieme you will just have anarchy for the rest of eternity and nobody else will fill that power vacuum?
>>64917296>weElaborate.
I see one brave shill has finally decided to tread into this hellscape ruin of their dignity to try and do some damage control. Respect, brother.
>>64917302Seeing that people were packing streets demanding regime change I think theyll do fine unlike Afghanistan where everyone begged Bush to let them install a monarchy and he said no. Iranians meanwhile are trying to modernize and genuinely dont want a theocracy getting in the way of their prosperity while all of the arab states are okay with it so long as a Muslim rules over them.
>>64916714>fund every single terrorist group running havoc in the entire middle east>after your terrorist proxies all got BTFO you start directly escalating and threatening your neighbours with conventional warI wonder
>>64917323nah, it's doing the most cowardly tactic possible; concern trolling.
>>64915817Giants.
>>64917308>WHATABOU-I think we're done here thanks for playing. Also youre crying about Muslims raping White children while supporting a Muslim regime that wants to destroy western Whites.
>>64917296Where are you from anon
>>64917120thanks eurobros. lets have some fun killing dunecoons together.
>>64917327Israel?
>>64917324>Seeing that people were packing streets demanding regimeThose people are dead now.>>64917336Ok, so we're guilty of it-what is anyone going to do about it? Nothing? Well, shouldn't have started shit then.>b-but that's unfairlmao get airstriked retard
>>64917280You are glossing over the fact that military/security forces are staffed with the supporters of those that are in power. So there's an imbalance of forces that support/oppose governments and the side that oppose often needs way more people than the minority that supports in order to topple the regime
>>64914827You kill anyone between the guy that gave you intelligence required to kill his bosses in exchange for power and do a few culls later as people challenge his authority.
>>64917352That is true, and Iran has a very large military. That doesn't really help the opposing argument.
>>64917303If you theoretically dropped a bomb on the head of "every member of the regime", then sure, you might have regime change, but that's way easier said than done.You underestimate how big a "regime" is. It's thousands and thousands of people. People keep falling for this stupid fucking fallacy that if you cut off the head you'll kill the snake, but that's not how most governments work, with a very few exceptions. A government is just a set of jobs. If you kill someone in one of those jobs, they just put some other guy in there and the machine keeps running. They have a bottomless pool of potential replacements, unless you're talking about genociding the entire country, which you might argue for on the Internet but isn't really feasible in real life. If you kill a bunch of them at once, it can cause some confusion, but that's why chains of command exist. You can hope to cause infighting between people that want the top jobs, but you can't count on that happening. And if there's someone who's really good at their job, you can kill him and hope the successor is more incompetent (see Qasem Soleimani), which can help but isn't enough to bring regime change all by itself.The only time the "cut off the head" approach brings about regime change is when the regime is a thin and unstable minority ruling over a majority that hates them, and that's not true in Iran. And I hate to break it to you, but usually that's more true of the regimes we prop up than the ones we bring down.
Where are the tomcats? Are they safe? Are they alright?
>>64917481You blow up enough people and the next guy thinks about whether he wants to be in charge or not.
>>64917487...I'm sorry anon.
>>64917487It seems in your anger that you destroyed them
>>64917481
>>64917510Yeah. They killed tens of thousands of people, and the country didn't flip over in an uproar. That's exactly right.
>>64917280>Iran couldn't gun down tens of thousands of protesters if they didn't have an equal or greater number of supporters.This is turdie mentality. A legitimate regime doesn't need to gun down tens of thousands of its own people. Post hand and outlet now.
>>64917054but the multipolar world!
>>64917520Obviously it is, it's a thirdie country retard. That's why they operate on thirdie rules.Post gun subhuman.
>>64917524Hand. Outlet. Gun. Now.
>>64917120Here's the real statement.https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-e3-leaders-statement-on-iran-28-february-202
>>64917504How many more threads you gonna spam this in, zignog?
>>64917131gas yourself BRICSlet
>>64917481This is such a smooth brained take. This isn’t cutting the head off the snake to kill the body. It’s smacking a dog on the snout to get it to stop it from digging in the trash. We tried the whole snake thing in Iraq with debaathification and it was a total failure. So we’re just forcing some organizational rearrangements and seeing how that turns out…also we have a snitch telling us where all these assholes are and we just have to kill his bosses and competitors to get what we want.
>>64917489>>64917511Ok, even if you could bomb enough people to bring about regime change (which I think would basically require genocide levels of bombing we would never do in practice) what comes after that? How do you get a new regime that's better than the old one?Unless the majority of the population sees you as liberators getting rid of a hated tyrant (again, not true in Iran despite what American media tells you, there are many who hate the regime but it's not even close to an overwhelming majority), you have two options: Either you stand on principles, allow them to hold elections and let the genuine will of the people be done--and they'll all be united on a platform of "Fuck those guys who just bombed us" so you'll be back to square one with an unfriendly regime. Or you install a handpicked regime that is friendly, and the people will hate them because you installed them, even if they try to rule well. They'll have to use repressive tactics to stay in power and rely on your support, which results in you having to spend money and soldiers on propping up a regime that is just as brutal as the one you tore down. We literally already tried that in the SAME FUCKING COUNTRY.
>>64917296>OMG why can't we leave the heckin' Qudsbros alone, bro?>They have pissed off the entirety of the region and are a major player in making the Mid-East an unstable shithole>OKAY SO WHY NOT BOMB THESE MUCH LARGER AND NUCLEAR-CAPABLE COUNTRIES THEN HUHThis is the most reddit whataboutism I've ever seen. Go back there, brownskin.
>>64917546That's from two days ago, moron.
>>64917576You kill enough of them to they point where they cannot coordinate meaningful organized resistance or stay supplied, which is what's happening.
>>64917541don't feel like it. Have an eye, a computer, and a gun.>b-but that's not what I saidI don't take orders from glockniggers.I know you're really invested into the propaganda that Iranians are just like us and value freedom and liberty and all that, but it's not true. Many of them do, many of them do not, and it's not our fucking problem.
I see the shill marching orders are to try and equate a decapitation strike to the full-blown occupation of a country after completely uprooting its entire government. Kind of predictable, really.
>>64917587>>64917546Iran just bombed French troops and in an incredibly fast reply the CDG battle group is underway
>>64917567Yeah that's fine, but that's not the same thing as "bombing them into regime change". That's just "bombing shit until they swap out some people in leadership and promise not to make nukes or support terrorists anymore" but I wouldn't call that "regime change". They're not writing a new constitution or having complete replacement elections in that scenario. That idea is way more feasible though I still hate it because we're fighting an unconstitutional war with American tax money on behalf of the Jews.
>>64917591>don't feel like it. Thanks for playing, sarr!
>>64917595That's basically been their whole deterrence strategy. They want everyone to think that you have to occupy their entire country to impose your will on them.
>>64917603>doesn't understand the memes he tries to use
>>64914827Zoroasterian restoration any day now
>>64917595it's very simple anon.Killing our enemies=goodwasting time pretending we can fix their shitholes=badif we stick to the first I think it's great. I just don't agree with the delusion that Iranians all hate their government and all support western intervention. They don't. It's not true.
>>64914827The Irani drone carrier will engage the US carrier force! The greatest naval battle since WWII! The fate of the Middle East will be decisive once for all!
>>64917614Yeah and you're autistically focusing on the whole will-of-the-people angle while also desperately trying to downplay the real crux of the matter, that being Iran was an out and proud hostile nation-state to the west that was directly making things difficult for it and finally got to the FO part of FAFO. You're not fooling anyone. Why would anyone be huffing over the key players of the Iranian regime being ousted for next to no cost and acting like they don't understand why it benefits the west? I'm not sure, some are saying you're a brown-skin acting on orders, I personally think you're just a buttblasted tankie from elsewhere.
>>64917599>YOU COULD HAVE HAD PEACE>NOW YOU GET JVPITER
>>64917623No I'm not. I already said, Iran deserves this and it's a good thing we're not putting up with their bullshit anymore.>some are saying you're a brown-skin acting on ordersLiterally posted my fuckin eyeball, you blind or retarded or don't know what brown is?I am simply capable of being fully correct, while you have to settle for being wrong.>b-but the people have to want this and they have to support regime change otherwise we're the baddieget over it faggot they hate us and always will. The people protesting are a tiny minority everyone else thinks are faggots in need of execution.
>>64917591>refuse first demand to post hand and outlet>instead demand other post gun>get gun from other anon>still refuse to post hand or outlet>chink letting in toolbarpottery
>>64917640>No I'm not. Please see >>64917336>Literally posted my fuckin eyeballThere is literally no way of proving that's not something you yoinked from the internet you daft twat, and why would you even do that instead of your hand? Are you mentally ill?>>b-but the people have to want this and they have to support regime change otherwise we're the baddieYou're doing it again.Have a good one, Ahmed, or Chang, or whatever other ethnic name you go by.
>>64917640you post like an actual schizoid holy fuck
>>64917591>Have an eyeWhat the actual fuck man, why are you posting an eye and not something that's easy and verifiable like a hand in front of your monitor?Are you retarded?
>>64917665>There is literally no way of proving that's not something you yoinked from the internet you daft twatI can keep doing it. How many pictures of the same eye do you think I have? An infinite number, since they're my eyes.>please readWhy? I'm not interested in some retard's post.>You're doing it again.Being correct? I always am. Simply accept that I am and I'll stop. Yes, it's good that we're bombing Iran. No, the people don't support it. >b-but you can't say thatI can, I did, and I'm correct.>>64917652That's Japanese you retard normalfag.>>64917670thanks>>64917691because if I do that anon will keep crying regardless. Post a non-brown eye or you're just a lightskin Indian.
>>64917701Weirdo
>>64917705thanks
>>649172121) Intel wasn't as good. Remember, we kicked OIF off a little early because we thought we knew where Saddam was... but were wrong. And then he couldn't be found for the next couple months, despite lots of effort. It helps that the Ayatollah didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition and thought it was safe to have a big all-hands meeting in his fancy palace. It also helps that Mossad has apparently had the Iranian government thoroughly penetrated for years. And, of course, we have a lot more options in munitions and stealthy delivery platforms now, for a surprise deep strike.2) W probably wanted to go for Iran--there were certainly some indications of it back in '03 and very early '04. But, there was a ton of political resistance to it, and then came the elections where being anti-war was suddenly a political cudgel wielded shamelessly by many of the same folks who had just been in favor of OIF before it had actually started. And after the elections, the insurgency (with different elements backed by Iran or by rich Sunnis and/or Sunni governments) kicked into high gear, and there certainly was no political capitol for dealing with Iran (despite all of the GIs Iran's insurgents killed).3) As for the occupations, back then, the whole premise was that we didn't want to have any more 9/11s, and the best way to do that was to install local governments that would watch for and deal with local terrorists where we really couldn't. It wasn't talked about in government circles, but there was a fair bit of public opinion that Plan B was to start indiscriminate slaughter (e.g., nukes or massive bombing) to scare everyone into compliance. The carrot was viewed as far superior to the big, scary stick. The carrot didn't work (partly from being botched), but killing a few tens of thousands of jihadis (the "flypaper" strategy) *may* have had an effect.4) If there's one thing Trump has demonstrated, it's that he knows how to cut Gordian Knots.
>>64917701>How many pictures of the same eye do you think I have? An infinite number, since they're my eyes.Holy fuck I love the actual mentally ill that sometimes pop up in here lmfao
>>64917601Nigga who fucking cares? As long as they stop propping up terrorist groups, stop fucking with shipping lanes, and stop trying to build nukes how is this anything other than a flawless fucking victory for the US? Extra credit if we get their oil instead of China because then we reduce their energy output by 20% without ever firing a shot at them kek.
>>64917599I know they are retarded, but that just seems unnecessary. You'd think the US and Israel would be enough. Are they just trying to pick a fight with everyone now?
>>64917599>most of the US' allies don't want to get involved>piss them off anyway by tossing shasneeds everywhere into neighboring countries and military basesgoatfucker intelligence at its finest
>>64917591>D:\FVS\For shitp
>>64914827Just keep bombing them until something interesting happens. Full on coup by secular types (even just secular militarists, such as non-IRGC army formations) is most desirable. Even just a Syria style civil war cluster fuck will do, as long as Iran as we know it isn't a thing anymore. Lack of stability means Iran is no longer an organized threat, just a disorganized shithole of various factions including various Islamic extremists. These factions are a terror threat, but not a regional power with significant influence and as we've seen western governments have no problem with dealing with a foreign terror threat since it just means more domestic surveillance and authoritarianism.
>>64917255That's a fair point. Europe and Asia would have gone nuts and made every non-military effort to re-open Hormuz (i.e., appeasement for Iran and pressure for the US) if the straits had been closed. Now? Things are a little different, both on the supply side and on the demand side.
>>64917701>Being correct? I always am. Simply accept that I am and I'll stop. Yes, it's good that we're bombing Iran. No, the people don't support it.anon you're really, stupidly hung up on this whole part when it's just a small component of why people are all for this shit going down, so either accept that the main argument peeps are making in here is that the Iran regime was fucking around with its terrorist funding and finally got its comeuppance after repeatedly not backing off from it or take your meds and leave us in peace.
>>64917599Well, regardless of whether they did it or not, Iran has long since deserved full retaliation from basically everyone around them. An unironic coalition of the willing with everyone in the region, most of EU/NATO and the US would be fully expected if it wasn't for how defensible Iran is.I guess it takes someone brazen like Trump to get the ball rolling, but the issue is making everything stick hard enough to make the IRGC collapse for good, that's pretty much the reason why nobody went at it for so long.
>>64917280You left out the part where they ousted the Shah and then the mullahs came in and killed more people than the Shah had ever dreamed of. Oddly enough, kinda like the Russian Revolution, which was not started by nor won by the Bolsheviks, or the French Revolution, where nobody who started it wanted an Emperor to rule them, or the Mexican Revolution, ditto with Santa Anna, or...History is full of the meanest and cruelest people seizing power when things get wobbly, and they're usually not the ones who started the revolt.
>>64917131Because, retard, their "sandnig ways" are directly benefitting other, more powerful states that are against Western interests and are also a major force behind other bullshit like the ongoing flow of refugees from areas that have been destabilized in large part by Iran's whims. Now, with the economy in shambles, a major uprising still close in the rearview mirror, and their proxies castrated, it's no wonder these strikes are happening. Think before you post.>>64917296Oh nevermind you're brown, lmao.
>>64914827>So what now? WE FUCK THEIR ASSES UNTIL WE MELT
>>64917131awwww, did a shitskin lose yet another one of his favorite anti-western states he was fanboying over?
>>64917720no paying attention to such things please.>>64917731>why people are all for this shit going down, so either accept that the main argument peeps are making in here is that the Iran regime was fucking around with its terrorist funding and finally got its comeuppance after repeatedly not backing off I already accepted that and said so myself. If you need me to say it again I will: we absolutely should be bombing Iran and we never should have tolerated their nonsense so long in the first place.Are you happy now that I've said the same thing for the dozenth time? Did you finally read it?
>>64917778then why are you throwing a fucking shitfit all over this thread lmfao
>>64917785He's bored on a sunday evening and needs attention
>>64917785Same question to you: why do you freak out, not read a single thing I said, and make things up to fill out the posts you didn't read? Because I said one thing you don't agree with and it made you mad.
>>64916714they killed 30,000 protestors supposedly
>>64917799bro I'm laffin here lmfao you serious rn?
>>64917193it is in the news>>64917271the de gaulle is beIng moved to the eastern med from the baltics right now
>>64917802Yes I'm completely serious.
>>64917805lmffaaaaooooooo good luck then bro
>>64917810thanks good luck to you too
Let's stop tormenting the brain damaged eye anon and get back to the topic at hand please.
>>64917818>I'm brain damaged>because anon can't fucking readNo wonder a white person's eye makes you mad.
>>64917818Some anon said something about a French airbase getting hit just before that thread got nuked. Can anyone substantiate that?
>>64914827>So what now?Our next conversation with Iran will be with the new Iranian government. They could be a revolutionary replacement or a stand-in from the current power-structure that we permit to LARP as independent opposition while actually being anything but (Venezuela). It makes no difference to us. We won't be talking to them until then. The strike will continue in the meantime.
>>64917591Is that a stock photo?
>>64917825correct, hard to find major news outlets that have extensive reporting on this yet, because it just happened, but a French naval base was hit (mildly) with a drone strike, and now JVPITER has just cause to enter the war. charles de gaulle carrier strike group on the way as we speak, which will bring the total up to 3 for coalition forces.also, RAF has opened up two bases, including Diego Garcia, for US use and has started shifting assets in order to seemingly begin bombing of their own. no real news on what germany has decided to do, but mertz announced it alongside starmer and jvpiter.https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/france-deploys-its-aircraft-carrier-to-eastern-mediterranean-as-tensions-escalate/3845637
>>64917845It's very much in the interest of pretty much every other surrounding nation if Iran did a Syria and abandoned being a retarded dictatorship. It's pretty much the only way to quell the idiocy for any significant amount of time.
>>64917870>including Diego Garcia, for US useB-2s inbound
>>64917905already happenedhttps://thehill.com/policy/defense/5761746-b2-bombers-iran-strikes-centcom/probably gonna happen a lot more
>>64917845The ball is in the court about how this'll do economically. I have no doubts we can make sure there's no major Iranian fuckery with the hormuz straits but that might not dissuade anxious insurance policy carriers and so on. I'd also expect Trump to charge the Gulf states for us protecting/clearing it.
>>64917591Retina scanned and added to database. Checkmate.
>>64914862Doesn't Russia want a refugee crisis in their country though?Where else are the IRGC and their bootlickers going to flee to?
>>64917701Retina scan confirmed. Database added to.
>>64917944>Doesn't Russia want a refugee crisis in their country though?>Where else are the IRGC and their bootlickers going to flee to?Please let them into Russia and join the fight aaist Ukraine! I can't wait for my tax dollars to kill Russians AND Iranians and the same field of honor!
>>64916909It seems that the Americans and Israelis are solving that issue by blowing up everything larger than a mortar.
I'm aware there are a lot of moving pieces and fog of war stuff going on, but I'm still a little unsure of how we go from "Bomb Iran" to "Regime change". The leadership has certainly gotten got, but the institutions within Iran they led don't appead to have unravelled, and are talking about successors and acting leaders, so it feels like it will be a challenge to truly neutralise them. And given one of the chief aims these institutions were united in is repressing internal dissent I'm not sure how a more favourable faction is supposed to grab power.t. Dumb person.
>>64917967You know how Iran has two militaries? That's because one's main job was to keep the other from revolting and killing leadership, and there's also the civilian populace. The regime change being aimed at isn't Western democracy, it's just for them to stop being retarded and fucking with global shipping and other forms of terrorism, which is a much more achievable goal from whoever wins out the power struggle
>>64917967Physically remove the government and military apparatus until either what's left agrees to disband itself or the people come out and do it for them.Yes, it does sound ambitious. That's also why we are physically removing the government and military apparatus. Just in case.
>>64917967we're 48 hours into this campaign. we achieved air superiority very rapidly and are now working on air supremacy. in this phase of the war, the primary goal is destroying launchers, missile silos, the stored missiles themselves, and important signals intelligence assets. after that, you will probably begin to see targets shift to things like military bases, tanks, artillery, really any of the low value sitting duck assets that couldn't ever threaten an air asset. then who knows.we've already started hitting some pretty important government buildings and blowing the fuck up out of military leadership.
>>64917967>>64917988To put it less flippantly, "anarchy is fine too"
>>64917980Yeah, I'm not anticipating full westernisation or anything. I just wonder how durable and resiliant the current institutions are, and how much will it take for there to be a fracture in their current apparent unity. As long as they're coherent and united they might try a Taliban strategy of wait until America gets bored. And would America have the patience to adequately dismantle them enough to collapse without doing a Tacitus and call the desert a peace.
>>64917711We still haven't had anyone breach this highmark in a while though, it's just been pearl-clutching cowards and this makes me sad.
>>64914867Most of the rebels in Libya were mercenaries trained armed and led by Qatar.
>>64917993Why do you write like you have some part in this or know what priorities targets have. You don't.
>>64918022Bruh we had laseranon and that's probably never being topped. A genuine felon schizo living in a junkyard in Alaska coping for his inability to (legally) own guns by going in on BP revolvers and, of course, lasers. He was fucking obssessed with getting the most powerful laser possible because he wanted nothing more than to blind federal agents or set them on fire. Then he vanishes forever because, as it turned out, he had a Glock and used it to kill his ex girlfriend and got put away.
>>64917850yeah>>64917940>>64917945you need the other eye for your database dorks, here
>>64918029gee anon idk couldn't be the like 80 speeches given by US and Israeli leaders + the continuation of literally what occurred last yeari know it's really hard for brown retards to think further in advance than 10 seconds, but please try for your own sake
>>64918029I wouldn't worry about it.
>>64917905/pol/ is already claiming they shot one down
>>64918061/pol/ is full of retards
>Its the guy with the unironed Amazon order Palestine flag
>>64918068Who?
>>64918061Yeah, an alleged US/IDF plane is recorded crashing.>IT WAS A B-2Absolute retards. Also clips of Tamir intercepts from 3 years ago being passed on as current events.
>>64918074going to guess it's the eye schizo.
>>64917652>chink letting in toolbar>>64917701>That's Japanese you retard normalfag.I don't know Anon, looks like Simplified Chinese to me.Simplified Chinese: 这就是中国能向其引以为傲的盟友提供的最佳援助吗?Japanese: これが中国が誇りある同盟国に提供できる最善の支援なのだろうか?
>>64918074This guy.
>>64914827
>>64915128I made a map
AYATOLLAH DOODWAT NOU?
>>64914827I'd destroy all their navy, nuclear reactors, military bases and equipment and keep killing anyone who says they are in charge of something that was called the islamic republic of iran.
>>64918089>not knowing Japanese uses Chinese characterstardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATUpo33OvdA>>64918089not me
>>64918139With names
drop a bomb on this ones house. repeat until none left.
>>64918181>>64918139Very nice, tho Kurdistan should include Iraqi and Syrian regions if it has Turkish ones
>>64916806>they're not going to be toppled by a bombing campaign.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
>>64918193It already has Iraqi Kurdistan but the Syrian one is really just some towns along the border with Turkey, it's just that their military control extends way beyond the actual parts they inhabit
All of this only serves Israel.
So where did these 3 American soldiers die?Whereabouts in the Middle East did it happen?
>>64917967It's mostly banking off of the secular army deciding it's best just to kill the IRGC and the other hardliners in the government. This will mostly depend on two things:>they can confidently outmatch the IRGC/potential loyalistsThe only way they'll go ahead with an attempt at regime change is if it ends in a (relatively) bloodless coup instead of a civil war. That's going to largely depend on how the strikes go and if they disproportionately target the IRGC.>security assurances from America and friendsIf a coup leads to a significantly worse national security situation, then it would be completely pointless. Trump has been hinting that he won't bomb them if they go through with it, but there hasn't been anything concrete as far as i'm aware.
Wrong board to ask that question
>>64917541post suit glocknigger, if you have ONE I bet it's a funerals suit
>>64918303settle down, it's over, no need to stir up shit.
>>64917638
>>64918184Leave the grandma alone.
so 9 ships subk, but which, all the biggest I assume
>>64918327Did Irans drones leave Ukranian grandmas alone? Kill her. If she suopported that mullah she deserves death.
>>64918331In retrospect, they should have invested in a couple of glass bottom boats.
>>64918335her's my guess based on what I would have gone for first, by tomorrow most of the rest of their large boats will be gone too
>>64918347here's an image from thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XHZm2VL-UYcan any anon match it to the chart?
>>64918354I think ISW had that pinged for a frigate from the set of 3.
>>64918008The Taliban were sheltered and supported by Pakistan so they could afford to sit and wait for 20 years. The IRGC and hardliners don't have that luxury. On top of that, while the US had to build institutions from scratch in Afghanistan Iran already has functional bureaucracy and institutions that can continue to function under new leadership. And finally, the Taliban was able to continuously recruit because the average rural Afghani or tribal Pakistani is dirt poor with no prospects; Iranians, even poor rural ones, have a higher quality of life which isn't particularly conducive to getting people to live in caves for years and martyr themselves as long as the quality of life is maintained.
>>64918354>>64918347snother imsage from herehttps://www.thesun.ie/news/16609661/us-forces-sink-iranian-warship-fury-strikes-satellite-pics-show-smoke/
>>64914827>Inspire massive Iranian protests with claims that you'll back them up>Don't back them up and let Iran kill all of the protestors>Months after they're dead and buried, launch a war that strategically entirely hinges on the dead protestors rising up and taking power>They're all still dead and nobody's rising up>Uhh, okay okay, maybe the infamously devout and hardline IRGC will make peace with you after taking power? Like in corrupt disloyal Venezuela>Oh shit instead they're escalating the war and there are revolts in Bahrain and Pakistan nowI think this is the dumbest, least necessary big war we've ever fought.
>>64918363thanks found it
>>64918369Nigga they dont want regime change, that might let in someone competent.
>>64918383Are you fucking retarded? The express goals of Trump and Netanyahu have been regime change.What, do you think they're taking out the nuclear program they already destroyed last year?
>>64914827I think the Shaheds are going to be a problem over the coming days / weeks / months / YEARS. If I were Iran, I'd bunker down for a protracted war of attrition with those things. Trump is saying he's going to keep bombing but those flying lawnmowers are cheap, easy to produce, and I don't see why Iran can't keep launching them at U.S. bases around the Gulf. I have confidence that Iran can't prevent the U.S. and Israel from gaining and maintaining air superiority but I don't have confidence the U.S. and Israel can halt Shahed production without actually invading Iran with ground troops, and those forces are not in the region in anywhere sufficient numbers to do that. Saw a video of one of them exploding at a base in Kuwait. Like you'd think the U.S. military would have more gun trucks like the Ukrainians but I suppose we're going to have to learn the hard way. Well, not a moment too soon at any rate.>>64917967>>64917481Yeah, like Iran is not Venezuela. The government is bad (don't let clerics run your society) but think they have more of a real deep state there. Homer Simpson understood this:https://youtu.be/dpEF6QPSVJE
>>64918382The combined strike force is disrupting the Iranian navies’ ability to attack international shipping and US Navy vessels as part of the effort to degrade Iran’s retaliatory capabilities. An Israeli OSINT account reported strikes on the IRGC Navy frigate Jamaran, as ISW-CTP reported in its February 28 Morning Update.[39] The Jamaran is a Moudge-class frigate.[40] The Jamaran previously seized two US unmanned surface vessels in September 2022 and operated around the Red Sea during at least parts of the Houthis’ campaign against international shipping during the October 7 war.[41] Vantor separately captured satellite imagery of what appears to be an Alvand-class frigate on fire in Konarak, Sistan and Baluchistan Province (see below). Alvand-class frigates are the largest surface combatants that Iran has.[42] Iran had three Alvand-class frigates prior to the current conflict.[43] The remaining two Alvand-class frigates are moored in Bandar Abbas, Hormozgan Province.[44] The imagery shows that two Bayandor-class corvettes were moored next to the Alvand-class frigate. ISW-CTP assesses that the two Bayandor-class corvettes are the IRIS Bayandor and IRIS Naghdi.>>64918382
so they went after the frigates firstwhy? SEAD?
>>64918382>>64918393The Iranians hit four tankers today.
>>64917028>Keep bombing until people forget about the Epstein files.This is why we attacked when we did, And it's why this is going to keep going for 2-6 years.
>>64918397Hard to say. The frigate is the only one we know for sure, and the only reason we know about it is because it was in port.
>>64918382>>64918393>>64918398
>>64918354>>64918363>>64918382>>64918397>>64918403CENTCOM claimed it's a Jamaran-class corvettehttps://x.com/CENTCOM/status/2028115452036022614
>>64918398Skylight is (was) shadow fleet, BTW. So, good job retards.
>>64918404I saw that
>>64918303Sir, I work on steam trains for a living, I have no need for a suit since my wedding.
>>64917219In Iran, the Weekend is Friday. They work and go to school on Saturdays and Sundays.Middle and upper class Iranians work a half-day on Thursdays.
>>64918400It's definitely a reason, but I don't know if Trump intends for it to go on that long. That said, he might not have a fucking say in the matter since it seems Iran is intent on reestablishing deterrence and trying to make us take enough casualties to think twice next time.
>>64918408
>>64917591>giving your biometrics to 4chanShiggy diggy doo
>>64918410>Skylight is (was) shadow fleet, BTW. So, good job retards.Now doubting you but why would a shadow fleet vessel be in hormuz though?
>>64918425my condolences to jamaica
>>64918431The shadow fleet doesn't just haul Russian oil. Why did you think we were finding so many of them right near Venezuela?
>>64918434>my condolences to jamaicahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqVy6eRXc7Q
>>64918331>>64918347Do you have links to these? Because the only one I know about (I was at work all day) was the corvette from yesterday. Which actually now that I look you haven't even marked off...
>>64918437Ok they carry iranian crude too?
>>64918439>Do you have links to these?>>64918354>>64918366
>>64917870>charles de gaulle carrier strike group on the way as we speak, which will bring the total up to 3 for coalition forces.I doubt it will be for anything substantial regarding Iran itself. It will help having another carrier in the area, but don't expect any bombardment mission or whatever. France has a defense treaty with the United Arab Emirates, so it's likely there to help for defense. UAE already had to intercept more than 200 missiles and drones aimed at them, and one can assume stockpiles of interceptors are not infinite. A little help is always welcome, and France will honor their words. Something ziggers and BRICS turdies can't even conceptualize.
>>64918441That's how most of them ended up on the US wanted list. Russian, Iranian, formerly Venezuelan, and mostly going to the other half of the multipolar world, like Cuba and China.
>>64918450oh come on , a few more f35s and some frigates with more VLS has to be good if the bongs send a carrier taskforce
>>64918390>I think the Shaheds are going to be a problem over the coming days / weeks / months / YEARS. If I were Iran, I'd bunker down for a protracted war of attrition with those things.The US and Israel aren't Ukraine or Russia, they have air supremacy over Iran right now and can just bomb every single factory and wharehouse inside it.
>>64918423>he might not have a fucking say in the matter since it seems Iran is intent on reestablishing deterrence and trying to make us take enough casualties to think twice next time.Zero chance they accomplish this. It'll end when Congress grows balls or Trump gets Article 19'd or he leaves office for other reasons.
>>64918450
>>64918139Based. Fuck Pakistan.
>>64918464No onew likes Iran anywherethis is long overdue.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HCgUD9QSqd8
>>64918390there aren't going to be more Shaheds you retard. not to be used against the region or sent to Russia. years? yeah okay what other claims do you want to throw out now before literally everyone dogpiles over the next month.
>>64918464I disagree that it's impossible for Iran to reestablish deterrence. Bases in Iraq, Bahrain and Kuwait are already on fire, with ports in the Gulf being targeted making it difficult for the Lincoln strike group and fifth fleet to refuel and rearm, and we seem to be burning through interceptors at those bases quickly and no doubt on those ships as well.Erbil and Kuwait can't exactly sail away from Iran like those ships can if interceptor munitions and resupply start running short.
>we
>>64918502Having a realistic view of the situation doesn't suddenly make me not American.I refuse to behave like a fucking zigger coping away every potential setback.
>>64918497Do outside people even know the interceptor stockpiles because to me that sounds classified as fuck.
>>64918497nonsense, you sound deluded brown and franky crazy
>>64918497Man, if only we had complete air dominance and could hunt TELs and other launch sites like it's 1990 and we're chasing down SCUDs, except this time with 2026 IRST elements. Oh, wait, we can? Golly, that sounds like it'll be a problem for Iran's attempts to launch further strikes, not to mention they're depleting their missile stocks far faster because they're being destroyed before launch by those same planes.
>>64918413Autism
>>64918516Except Israel did that throughout the 12 Day War and it didn't stop launches.You're looking at strategy that failed and thinking it will work this time.
>>64918497Iran won't have anything to fire or any navy, airforce, radars, or factory in a missile manufacturing or launcher supply chain within 72 hours. Are you on crack?
>>64918527>within 72 hoursHoly shit you sound just like a zigger circa 2022. It's disheartening.
>>64918523US>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IsraelIran made the big leage just like it always hoped and dreamed it would. The US will flatten every military asset there. You're vision of them keeping missile resources sufficent to degrade the interceptor stockpile of the US milirary while being bombed by most of the US air force is outright nuts. They will be lucky if they have bows and arrows by next weekend.
>>64918531Half of the Iranian navy is sitting under the sea as of today...
>>64918523>12 Day WarMade everyone less afraid of Iranian missiles.
>>64918531You think that the US or EU is as full of shit as Russia. How brown are you?
>>64918531Okay, and?
>>64918543We have one Corvette confirmed sunk lolAre you pretending to be retarded right now? Genuine question because if I were trying to sound like the American equivalent of a zigger as a parody I'd be saying the shit you're saying.
>>64918523>Except Israel did that throughout the 12 Day War and it didn't stop launches.It reduced Iran to barely double digit launches per 24 hour period by the end of the 12 Day War, and that was with only Israel's airforce operating over Iranian airspace. You're the same fucking retard who was arguing that it wasn't impossible for Iran to somehow destroy every US base in the area which is why the US was acting with restraint, only to find out that they couldn't and Iran was living by the virtue of the Western world's mercy while the thread was quite literally still up.
>>64918543>Half of the Iranian navy is sitting under the sea as of today...I'm waiting for our brown visitor to tell us it was stategically depleting US munitions
>>64918556There were three ship above water here yesterday evening
>>64918513cope is not realistic. navy is gone. air force is gone. there is no AA. there will be no more shasneeds to use and Russia has lost this supply chain in total. the state is decapitated and we know it is bad as their fragmented military spit out what they did have in all directions pissing literally everyone in the region off who are now vowing to participate.realism is accepting that stability may not come to the region and something worse can happen over time. but that's not what you are saying you're making up bullshit and posting charts I didn't read.
>>64918556life must be a continual disappointment for you
>>6491855730 being "barely double digit" is a bit hyperbolic, no?>only to find out that they couldn't and Iran was living by the virtue of the Western world's mercyExcept now bases in Iraq, Kuwait and Bahrain are on fire and Iran's still firing missiles in drones.I don't know what the fuck you're getting so defensive for. This must be how the few sane Russians felt on 24 February 2022.>>64918564Three Corvettes =/= Half the Iranian Navy. It doesn't even = half their Corvettes.
>>64918570\He should have tried taling about the minine the srait of hormuz but no, Iran will magically emerge from this with enough muissile systems to deplete US interceptor stcks without cosiderig the minute they launch, the whole launch site and everyone and everything in it gets obliterated and cannot continue to function,
>>64918570>>64918573Can you guys say more stupid shit with future timestamps like this guy so I can re-post your posts when it doesn't happen and laugh just like I did with the russkis? That was the funnest part of their respective weird jingoistic unstrategic seething.
>>64918583you're talking absolute hyperbolic turdie garbage anon,
>>64918585Again, just like the 12 Day War, right?
>>64918586feel free to hoarde them so you can mald over them because Iran will probably capitulate before we even make 72 hours
>>64918590Whatever you say dude lolI think the sad part is that when you're proven wrong you wont accept it internally and will come up with some strange cope like the Russians to where you were actually never wrong. Fucking sad you types of people exist all over the world.>>64918593Are you going to blush like a school girl when 72 hours comes and goes and Iran is still firing missiles and drones, or will you erase this conversation from your mind as a form of cope? I guess we'll see.
>>64918593NTA, but I gotta step in there. The Iranian government is as deep into their shit as Putin. We're going to have to kill every last one of them, but that was the plan anyway.
>>64918517Where do you think you are
>>64918591“We figured it will be four weeks or so,” Trump said. “It's always been about a four-week process so – as strong as it is, it's a big country, it'll take four weeks, or less.”
>>64918600JUST FOUR MORE WEEKS
>>64918585>>64918586https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-strikes-2026/card/iran-s-security-chief-makes-fresh-push-to-resume-talks-with-u-s--Mi0JcWnvsfO50qKwPcK8cry about it.
>>64918604Larijani, habibi, that's not how you spell unconditional surrender.
>>64918595I won't be prooven wrong, over the next month there won't be an Iranian military left to do anything let alone pose a threat to US assets. You can't hide large surface vessels from satellites either. Irans navy is absolutely doomed.
>>64918604>>64918593>because Iran will probably capitulate before we even make 72 hours
>>64918610>over the next monthHAHAHAHAYou're already walking it back LMAO!>In 72 hours the Iranian state will be no more! The world will remember that all it took was 1 month for Iran to be beaten, and years from now we'll look back on the brief 7 months war.I'm holding you to 72 hours. You aren't wiggling out.
>>64918622what nation are you from?
>>64918595>Are you going to blush like a school girl when 72 hours comes and goes and Iran is still firing missiles and drones, or will you erase this conversation from your mind as a form of cope?What will you do if the opposite comes to pass?
new footagehttps://x.com/CENTCOM
>>64918626The United States of America, as said.Again, you seem to think that everyone from their country has to act like a zigger for their country.I never even defended Iran; I only said they were aiming to restore deterrence and that it was possible for them to.>>64918629I'll at least know that my predication was based on logical conclusions from the information I had at the time. Nobody's actually tried to argue my points and has instead just resorted to ad homs and hyperbolic statements.
>>64918626Is it the crazy north korean retard? He's in the US.
>>64918637fuck off norktard you brain damaged twat
>>64918630Is that tom cruisers car
>>64918642I don't give a shit about Korea so I don't know who you're referring to.
>>64918637>I'm an Americanpost guns.
>>64918604>Nobody's actually tried to argue my pointslol
>>64918637>Nobody's actually tried to argue my pointsthat's because they are laughably shit< Russia fucked up so the USA will!>Iran will have cast stocks of missiles left and a functioning navy and airforce after the US air campaign!big yeah
>>64918637>I'll at least know that my predication was based on logical conclusions from the information I had at the time. Nobody's actually tried to argue my points and has instead just resorted to ad homs and hyperbolic statements.You didn't really answer my question.I will make you a deal: I just walked into the thread but I'll go back and try and read your posts if you'll just goodfaith engage with my question.
>>64918517you are literally on 4chan you fucking idiot
>>64918656why do you post exactly like norktard? What are your thoughts on Kim of North Korea, is he a fat tard of no value to humanity?
>>64918664
>>64918664>What are your thoughts on Kim of North KoreaHis daughter is kinda cute. That is the best I can give you.>is he a fat tard of no value to humanity?Easy yes>why do you post exactly like norktard?I don't know, but I don't think I really do. Also, he's an idiot who thinks he knows more than he actually does and says some of the most retarded shit and doubles down when you present counter info.
>>64918653Look up the definition of capitulation, ESL.>>64918655>< Russia fucked up so the USA will!That isn't my point>>Iran will have cast stocks of missiles left and a functioning navy and airforce after the US air campaign!Low estimates for Iranian ballistic missile stores are at ~1,000. If you fucking knew anything about the subject you'd know that. Their air force and navy are also irrelevant on the subject of deterrence. Iran's only means of deterrence are it's missiles and drones, which I already said.>>64918656I don't really see how I didn't answer your question. You asked what I'd do, I said what I'd think about it because it isn't really a scenario wherein I do anything other than reflect, and what I posted are the reflections I'd make.What do you think I should do if my vague prediction is wrong? Your question is strange.
>>64918683>>64918655>< Russia fucked up so the USA will!>>Iran will have vast stocks of missiles left and a functioning navy and airforce after the US air campaign!>big yeahthose are your points right?
>>64918689If you think that the USA only has 1000 interceptors on hand you need to think again.
>>64918689>Your question is strange.Legitimate question: Where are you on the spectrum?>>64918692Why are you replying to me? All I did was address your questions and none of my answers had anything to do with Russia, USA, Iran, missiles, navies, or air campaigns. You're about to schizo out, aren't you?
>>64918701helicopters worked just fine for most of their junk.
>>64918689>Low estimates for Iranian ballistic missile stores are at ~1,000.No no where's my tel launcher!
>>64918701They're not only firing missiles; they're firing drones as well.>>64918705>Legitimate question: Where are you on the spectrum?So you ask me to engage in goodfaith and then proceed with this bullshit?
>>64918713Apparently all over the fucking place since they keep firing the fucking things. How many times to I have to repeat myself? Did you sleep through the 12 Day War?
>>64918705oh they have a LOT TO DO WITH AIR CAMPAIGNS BECAUSE YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT ENOUGH MISSILES WILL SURVICE ONE TO DEPLETE INTERCEPTOR RESOURCESand they won't, not even close
no guns larp, foreign, envious of our citizenship.
>>64918726Anon, you're replying to someone else. You can't even keep track of who you're talking to on 4chan lmao
>>64918714>they're firing drones as well.drones get shot down by fighters for fun, they do not consume interceptors. You \arse also assuming those sticks will survice or their manufacturinng sites. Pretty dumb.
>>64918390>>64918497Good points to be honest, so how is it possible to wage a war of attrition when your logistics can be bombed but the enemy's cant?
>>64918714>So you ask me to engage in goodfaith and then proceed with this bullshit?Well, one, that was under the pretext that you would answer my question. Which as I said you failed to do.Secondly, and more importantly, its a genuine question, not a veiled barb.>BECAUSE YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT ENOUGH MISSILES WILL...blahblahblahYou have me confused with someone else. Take a breath and check your reply chains. I literally don't even know what claims I am supposed to have made (or what point you are trying to make) as I haven't even read that part of the thread. You reply to me with more schizo shit and you just aren't gonna get a reply.
>>64918720>>64918720>he 12 Day Warand was the US airforce and navy massively comitted to that? No. spot the difference.
>>64918369It seems that they waited to ensure most of the leadership was in a single location for a decapitation strike.
>>64918726Fucking christ I forgot to link you here >>64918740The second part is clearly meant for you.
>>64918737samefagging
>>64918413trip on, MSG
>>64918750MSD*
>>64918737Cheers big ears.>>64918740>Well, one, that was under the pretext that you would answer my question. Which as I said you failed to do.Except I literally did, and you have failed to explain how I did not. There is no world in which what I said does not constitute an answer to your question.>>BECAUSE YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT ENOUGH MISSILES WILL...blahblahblahThat's a different anon chimping out thinking you are me. It's you who has to check your reply chains.
>>64918752Are you still an old furry?
>>64918758I am not a furry.
>>64914881>I know that and I understand that but what's the actual plan with Iran now?Hopefully the "plan" is to do nothing inside Iran (and Venezuela, etc.) and let them sort it out themselves and as long as they stop being retards, we won't bomb them again.20+ years in Afghanistan and Iraq trying to fix it _for them_ got us nothing, the best policy is to bomb them if they get uppity but otherwise let them be.
>>64918753>Except I literally did, and you have failed to explain how I did not. There is no world in which what I said does not constitute an answer to your question.Okay, I'm not going to argue with you. If you don't want to engage, then I'm just not going to reply to you after this post. I genuinely tried; tell yourself whatever you like.>That's a different anon chimping out thinking you are me. It's you who has to check your reply chains.Yeah, I know, that's why I instantly fixed it a couple of minutes before you even replied to me. >>64918744 But you saw that and just wanted to try and dunk on something easy. Good job on your part, you win.
>>64918763>I genuinely triedYou didn't try at all. You asked a vague confusing question, claimed I didn't answer when I did, and refused twice to elaborate on what it was you wanted.>But you saw that and just wanted to try and dunk on something easyNo, I only look at (You)s. You did not (You) me.
>>64918760Close enough
>>64918767>Okay, I'm not going to argue with you. If you don't want to engage, then I'm just not going to reply to you after this post. I genuinely tried; tell yourself whatever you like.
>>64918763>>64918767Oh, and I should add, you ad hom'd on your first refusal to elaborate.I tried engaging with you but you keep dodging me while claiming I'm not trying to engage. I'm as open to talk as ever but go be a fucking weirdo somewhere else if you wanna keep being weird. Tell me what you want or fuck off.
>>64918753Can you explain exactly how can Iran wage a long term war of attrition when western forces have free reign to destroy its wharehouses, ammo dumps, factories, bunkers and command centers freely while it can barely damage some bases?
>>64918774>You didn't try at all. You asked a vague confusing question, claimed I didn't answer when I did, and refused twice to elaborate on what it was you wanted.Fuck off, retard.
>>64918781How many times do I have to mention the 12 Day War?Protip; look up passive air defense.
>>64918777>>64918782>Okay, I'm not going to argue with you. If you don't want to engage, then I'm just not going to reply to you after this post. I genuinely tried; tell yourself whatever you like.
>>64918799>You didn't try at all. You asked a vague confusing question, claimed I didn't answer when I did, and refused twice to elaborate on what it was you wanted.Fuck off, retard.
okay but are you autistic or not
>>64918786>12 Day WarNo one would be as confident as they are if it weren't for what a non threat Iranian missiles turned out to be during that conflict. People are ignoring it because they don't believe you believe the 12 War is an example of how Iran can attrit the US, Israel, and now France, Britain, and the Gulf States.
>>64918873France, Britain and the Gulf States are absolutely not going to get directly involved. That just shows how little you know on the subject.Look at a map showing U.S. bases in the Middle East. Compare them to Israel. If you don't feel stupid, then look at it until you do.
>>64918884Are you retarded? The Charles DeGaulle is steaming to the Eastern Mediterranean as we speak. Britain has stated its intent to participate and cities in the Gulf States were attacked; they are going to respond. US bases were already evacuated before this even began. No one is afraid of Iran. The damage they did to Israel last year was pitiful. They are now facing a coalition, which they themselves worked to expand, that is considerably more numerous and powerful, while starting from a considerably weaker starting point. Iran is screwed.
>>64918908>cities in the Gulf States were attacked; they are going to respondI don't think you have any idea how these Gulf States operate.
>>64918922>they're just going to sit back and be bombed because reasons
>>64918936Wouldn't the bombing stop if they just surrender?
>>64918940Why would they when they could just as easily join a winner coalition against the ones doing the bombing?
>>64918940they're trying to
>>64919034They're not trying hard enough, so I don't believe them.
