The U.S. is struggling at something that Ukraine has already mastered - shooting down Shaheds. Time to buy more Gepards
>>64930892Please don't tell me they are using fucking Patriots to shoot down drones. The fucking Ukrainians learned quickly how wasteful that is.
>>64930892Israelis have been doing a good job at taking them down with their Apaches, idk why we don't do the same.
>>64930902Peacetime R&D, doctrine change and procurement take a long time. There is a probably a level of arrogance, what could America possibly learn from Ukraine etc.
>>64930911How do you know?
>>64930892It's nearly impossible, they have to bomb out factories and stockpiles. That option actually exists unlike for Ukraine, but Ukraine "only" has to worry about drones coming in from one direction, Iran can go in any direction and target bases or logistical hubs in dozens of countries.
>>64930892sorry, but with "leaked quotes" like these, a huge spoonful of salt is needed. 99.9% is less than "all", after all
We had a solution for slow-moving suicide drones 80 years ago.
>>64930892>>64930902I'm pretty shocked to find out that Iran's ballistic missiles aren't the biggest issue, but they're piddly fucking drones. It was fucking Shahed drones that were responsible for killing those American soldiers and damaging those radars, not ballistic missiles. Did the US not fucking see how Ukraine adapted to Russian mass drone attacks?Where are the Interceptor Drones, SPAAGS, APKWS, or even fucking machine guns on the back of a Toyota pickup truck? At least the UK and Germany are codeveloping and building anti-Shahed interceptors with Ukraine.
>>64930892>Time to buy more GepardsSorry, we're all out. The swiss won't sell you ammo anyways.t. Hans
>>64930892why arent they using ground based APKWS?
>>64930964>Where are the Interceptor Drones, SPAAGS, APKWSThey're out there doing work. Iran is shooting off thousands of drones, many at random civilian targets. There's no way to protect everything in the region simultaneously. Ukraine only has to deal with attacks coming from one direction, aimed at military installations or critical infrastructure.
>>64930902They are. Which is why the next few weeks are going to turn funny for tankers in the strait.And if Shitran is a country able to make ballistic missiles, one can assume they have the ability to develop shit like this. If a country with no navy managed to completely shit up a military with a navy, then they can definitely shit up some tankers even in the poor reduced state they are right now.
>>64930977What do you think the range of an APKWS is?
Can I get a source that isn't a twitter post paraphrasing CNN paraphrasing two anonymous sources paraphrasing a briefing?
>>64930964>Did the US not fucking see how Ukraine adapted to Russian mass drone attacks?Hegseth's out of control alcoholism left him blind and brain too hazy to be able to notice something that "small". please understand :sadface: :prayemoji: :prayemoji:
>>64930987long enough to shoot down slow ass shasneeds
>>64930964>America is good at shooting down Ballistic missiles but is crap at shooting down Shaheds efficiently>Ukraine has made destroying Shaheds an art form but is constantly low on anti-ballistic missile interceptors.My my how the turns have tabledAnyway America already has manyncost-effective answers to the Shahed- like the APKWS and airburst shells for apaches. But apparently they didn't send enough to the Mideast before they started this war and are now paying the price
>>64930964>I'm pretty shocked to find out that Iran's ballistic missiles aren't the biggest issue, but they're piddly fucking dronesYou shouldn't be, everyone copied them for a reason. A cheap cruise missile that can be spammed by the thousands, is accurate enough, has thousands of km range, and has enough of a warhead to do structural work is a fundamentally good concept that is difficult to defend against. A ballistic missile is harder to intercept and does more damage, but they have at most hundreds and they will always be intercept priority.
>>64930922>"only" has to worry about drones coming in from one directionUkraine has to worry about shaheds coming from every direction except the west. The US by comparison only has to worry about shaheds coming from the north-east.
>>649309877.5 miles on fixed wing aircraft at speed. I like shooting helicopters down with them in DCS.
>>64931030The comments referenced in the OP are not about the difficulty of defending US military assets.
>>64931030Even after this shit is over and it's time to inevitably go back to the old rants, you still won't get Greenland. But how about Cuba next? Surely it'll be a nice occupation for a few more weeks.
>>64931030There are bases, allied nations and logistical hubs in striking distance in basically every direction around Iran.
>>64931037Now imagine they're on the back of a truck with less range and very little mobility, and Iran is spamming sneeds in every direction into the middle of random non-hostile cities and we have the answer to >>64930977.
>>64930892>Amerisraeli golem cannot into drone defenseSad!>>64930902They are indeed. But I suspect this is more of a way to get a hostile Congress to approve the new $1.5 Defense spending bill. Who knew the best way to get a war started with Iran was to start to open the Epstein Files. Must be some really fucked up shit in there if Bill and Hilldog are willing to talk in public about it now.
>>64930892No my wimao friend Ukraine has not "mastered" shooting dow drones.
If only the retards in charge of the Sgt York hadn't fucked shit up so thoroughly....
>>64931053All US bases and allies are located west and south-west of Iran. There are no US bases in Afghanistan, Central Asia or the Caucasus any more.
>>64930892For context, the battlespace is massive, even bigger than Ukraine. Leakage is somewhat inevitable. The upside is these weapons don't pack much of a punch. A 100kg warhead is nothing to sneeze at, but it's not going tilt the balance of power majorly.
>>64930892Look at the bright side. At least the US and friends can also make their cheap crappy Shaheds. It looks like WW3 will be decided by who can make and fling as many Shaheds at the opposing force
>>64931093We have Sergeant Stout now.
>>64930892>closed door meetingLet me tell you what happened in it
>>64930931literally just slap them on everythingyou could put like 10 on any given ship
>>64930964>Did the US not fucking see how Ukraine adapted to Russian mass drone attacks? Hegseth is one of the anti-Ukraine retards in the administration, so yes, he is missing the obvious opportunity to learn from the best.
>>64931179Lasers will be more effective. 3 bucks a shot, all it costs is some electricity. Iron Dome and the US equivalents are about to be slapped on to every building, every ship, every base, etc. Drones had their fun, but it's only a matter of time.
>>64930964The drones are flying out over the ocean. Point defense and airborne intercepts are really the only options. Airborne intercepts can be risky because you don't want to send jets/helos into airspace where multiple different nations are firing active-radar homing missiles. Thus, you're largely left with point defense across a wide variety of targets.Even with all the Ukrainian expertise some drones get through.
>>64931190>>64930964Do please continue to stuff the strawman, it helps America for it's enemies to think it is incapable.
>>64930892>Ukraine has already mastered - shooting down ShahedsNo heat and electricity, shitting in buckets. I doubt anyone should take advice from Ukrainians on Shaheds. https://youtu.be/ECW7untcQuE
>drones will end the US Navy!Effing retards
Ukraine gets drones smacking into their power systems all the time. Theres no magic fix without point defense everywhere.
>>64931205Hegseth is a massive liability for the administration and plugging your ears and pretending otherwise doesn't help.
>>64931248You can't qualify how he is a liability outside of vague emotional screeching.
>>64931248The media doesn't like him. But the military has now taken out two of America's biggest adversaries with fewer casualties than the last guy took withdrawing from Afghanistan. So I'll go with the results.
>>64931205NTAs, but;>Have a whole ass conflict going on in Europe that shows how your new enemy uses their cheap ass drones to attack targets>Don't set up proper drone defense at multiple bases when you decide to launch Operation: Epstein Fury>Americans die as a resultFor fucks sake, even the Germans understood this. This vid is 5 years old btw. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwjcayPuag
>>64931259NTAYes, his vague emotional screeching is a problem Astute observation. Then there are other things too.
>>64931259The very first thing that comes to mind was, when general staff voiced criticism of him, he responded by implementing blanket cuts to general officer billets across the entire force. Those cuts were ostensibly to remove bloat, but weren't balanced between commands in any way, meaning bloated commands stayed bloated and understaffed commands got even worse. It was a political move designed to silence dissent that also actively harms our force readiness, and that's really inexcusable for a SecDef honestly.
>>64931259Having a secret Signal group chat talking about classified information getting leaked out by a journo (who was fucking invited whether on accident or on purpose by someone else in the chat) would have gotten anyone else shitcanned within 12 hours of the story getting published. >>64931264>the ends justify the meansI don't think you're gonna like how this turns out in the long run.
>>64931267>Americans die as a resultWow, thirdies really are going to brag about having a lower highscore than Elliot Rodger.
>>64931273>blanket cuts to general officer billets across the entire forceWe've had an absurd number of flag officers for years. Post-cold war cutbacks to their ranks have been a long time coming.
>>64931280I think a random nation of Islam schizo shooter got more Americans than Iran.
>>64931267>unironic it wont happen to us cuz we white and have god on our side thought in 2026Is exactly why hegseth is such a fucking trashcan fire and his general bend to nazism is why the magat is glazing him.
>>64931282Are you brain-dead? Illiterate? Read the post again fuckwit - yes, there has been a need for a reduction in general officer staff, but not a blanket percentage across all commands. If that were really the concern, then bloated commands would have more positions cut, and efficient commands would be untouched or minimally cut. Instead, Hegseth cut the same % from absolutely every command - because removing bloat was not the purpose. The purpose was to silence the criticism he was getting from his own general officers. A petty political move that comes at the cost of our military strength.
>>64931300>Hegseth cut the same % from absolutely every command - because removing bloat was not the purposeThe fuck are you talking about? If it was about silencing criticism, he would have targeted his critics for cuts, not cut equally across the board.
>>64931300Every country axes officers that are showing signs they may not be reliable. Yeah you have to play politics as an officer big woop its been that way for decades. Should have gone private industry if you dont like it
>>64931280One American life is worth more than any turdie dictator. They were preventable with proper defense structure. I'm sorry MIGAts cannot into understanding of this.>This won't get people's attention off the Epstein Files btw.
>>64931312>America should never go to war ever againahhh, there it isthere's the motive
>>64931307He did target them. There are cuts in all commands --> critics were overrepresented among those cuts. By contrast, a responsible and targeted/audited cut to bloated commands would mean that general officers critical of him, but who occupy efficient commands, would not be touched. The only way to ensure every general officer was removed or threatened was to do the exact stupid move Hegseth did. Are you actually this fucking stupid, or are you baiting me right now?
>>64931316That's not what he said you cultist. Your mental gymnastics to justify an obvious oversight by military leadership is exactly what thirdies do. This is America. We acknowledge and learn from our mistakes, and also hold people responsible for their mistakes when they should have known better. Blindly waving off any and all criticism of beloved political figures is a fast track to third world potemkin status.
>>64931318>general cuts that don't target anything in particular are actually a super secret plan to maliciously target certain peopleYou are retarded.
>>64931333Czech'd & trvth-nvkepilled
>>64930892That's what happens when you put all your coins in missiles and none in SPAAGs.
>>64931276>the ends justify the meansTo some extent they do. Our institutional culture in the west has become too obsessed with following norms and procedure rather than delivering results. I am open to the idea of reforms, and will defer to the judgment of the Secretary to carry out the agenda of the duly elected president.Let's be real, the last guys coasted by with almost zero scrutiny from the press, even after a disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal. Yet the press uproar was less than signalgate. I think that speaks to the misplaced priorities of many in the commentariat class who seem to have the biggest hard-on for taking out Hegseth.
>>64931259Cutting the wedgetail was a genuinely moronic and baffling decision.
>>64931352this would be slightly less retarded if you weren't crediting the secdef with operational planning, numb-nuts
>>64930984>If a country with no navy managed to completely shit up a military with a navyAre you talking about Ukraine and Russia?
>>64931327>Its all related to Epstein!The same files you retards say condemns Trump bit never link to the evidence?
>>64931361I'm just saying. The screeching seems to be out of proportion with the performance of the military. Thus, I'm willing to give the civilian head of the military a bit more grace, compared to say the last guy.Most of your criticisms seem to be focused on departures from the perceived appropriate behaviors of Sec Def rather than the performance of the institution he leads.
>>64931369You're literally rooting against America to bring this guy down. Pretty pathetic.
>>64931370it's honestly very sad that the left has become so culturally sterile they can't even come up with their own conspiracy theories.
>>64931312Retarded post. Iranian terror groups have killed Americans and will kill more unless their state backing is severed. You are too stupid to understand oppurtunity costs. This is like saying we shouldnt have fought any war.
>>64931373>>64931377>ignoring the previous 10 posts that provided specific, event-based criticism of him, and instead continuing to pretend it's all just feeliesYou're the one letting his feelings blind him to reality, holy cope
>>64931385Didnt happen you screeching retard
>>64931385The three main criticisms seem to be1) he used an unapproved method of communication2) he made unpopular job cuts3) he made unpopular program cutsThe first one, is the only one that seems even remotely embarrassing/unprofessional. The other two are literally his job.
The leftists ITT crying want the exact same thing Hegseth wants: to eliminate ideological opponents that are getting in the way. Theyre just mad they lost.
>>64931406>repeated fuckupsMay I see them?
>>64931267Hegseth should have delayed the war because Iran has had a few token strikes with drones on minor targets?No anon, you are the retard.
>>64931393As a reminder of people falling for propaganda, Signal was the recommended program by the gov agencies responsible for cybersecurity.
>>64930892Well no shit Ukraine has the best drone doctrine/knowledge on this planet right now. USA is just beginning to take the baby steps.
>>64931414Then why didn't he just reveal them in the first place, why dragging his feet as long as possible before even a partial reveal and trying to have people forget about the files.
>>64931410Sure, scroll up, plenty in this thread that you're ignoring
>>64931425>dragging his feetLet's compare how many files got released when the Democrats controlled the Presidency and Congress and when Trump and the Republicans were in charge.
>>64931425NTA but it's pretty obvious that major allies of both Trump and other uninvolved political bigwigs are heavily implicated, and the repeated delaying tactics from both sides are to defend those allies
>>64931436In the end its just corrupt politicians trying to cover for their own as always.
First, US will win in the end because of its lopsided advantages, but the childish anti-EU nonsense and the stupid arrogance in dealing with allies and enemies can only lead to setbacks.
>>64931432Their cope is that Biden ran on the policy of protecting pedophiles so they are okay with it.
>>64931444"Anti EU nonsense" is just Americans sick of their arrogance.
>>64931448Governments are made up of pedophiles and peers who rub shoulders with pedophiles, the rich and powerful don't have souls.The upper reaches of society are stagnant and need clearing out.
Divide & Conquer posting is back on the menu.
>>64931444>anti-EUare you implying there are Pro-EU people?
>>64931457>>64931466now you have 3 F-15s down and multiple dead americans because you couldn't coordinate with your best allies to provide air defense against stupid slow moving drones
>>64931475Please understand, the goyim are not people, and the DOW was over 50,000
>>64931475What the fuck does that have to do with the EU?It also shows how out of touch you are. However, offended the Euros are by Trump, the Arabs were massively more offended by Biden's policy of alienation.
This war has just proven to me that it's impossible to defend Taiwan.If Himars and Iron Dome and all sorts of missile defence isn't doing fucking shit against flying lawnmowers and Iranian missiles, then what fucking hope do you have against the PLARF on China's shores with what is likely tens of thousands of missiles flying at you?
>>64931508It also proves that the PLAN will be eating shit.
>>64931475Again, oppurtunity costs. You fucking retard.
>>64931387>What you are saying is literally the most Russian way of thinking. Can't get rid of a guy because you have to save face?It's the curious thing about MAGAs, how Russian adjacent in terms of thinking they are. Can't deal with corruption because it might make your side look bad for example. And the grinding need to humiliate and demean, all this "BEND THE KNEE" bullshit, where does that come from? The only other place you see it from is from Russians and they do it because they have MASSIVE chip on their shoulders to the West and inferiority complexes. But why would Americans have that? Noone is really denying that America is the best country in the world. It's so bizarre.So how does this Russian mindset set in amongst MAGAs?
>>64931508Israel has lost no military assets despite drone spam, same as last war where only 1 soldier died
>>64931508At this point we may see Taiwan just go for a suicide run on the 3 gorges dam in F16s.
>>64930902>Please don't tell me they are using fucking Patriots to shoot down drones.Sorry.>The fucking Ukrainians learned quickly how wasteful that is.Yeah but nobody told Trump.Is this a bad time to tell you about the 136 million square feet of factories the chinese missile companies build in cooperation with xiaomi to shit out missiles like smartphones and cars? 75k capacity. Per year.
Thank god Trump has done all he can to insult Zelenskyy and cut off aid for Ukraine for his entire term so far. The man is a true strategist
>>64931524>Being this mad the pro zigger Spanish government bent the kneeLol you arent doing whatever youre trying to do well.
>>649315008You're drawing the wrong conclusion. The Iran conflicts have shown that missile and drone spam is pretty weak. You can cause nuisance damage, but not permanently suppress the enemies capabilities. I'm skeptical that China, especially after the most recent purges is positioned to suppress the entire western Pacific with drones and missiles while simultaneously conducting an air superiority campaign over Taiwan.
Why don't they just bomb the Shahed factories?
>>64931515Likely true as well, but this is in china's own backyard. It's going to be raining missiles.That said I think nobody is actually going to fight over Taiwan. My bet is still Taiwan enters a "part of china in name only" agreement.
>>64931508>HIMARS?>Iron DomeCan you please show us the assets destroyed as a result of ID failure?>hyping up China out of nowhere while yet another paper tiger axis of blown out assholes is revealedYep. It's zigger time.
>>64931529What good are factories if China cant protect them from air strikes? This argument is pointless now in an era where air defense is not a magic shield
When ziggoids spend 35,000 lives a month for a few square meters of barren dirt:>This is just the reality of how warfare in the drone age works. America would have already collapsed by now because they don't have the stomach to deal with these kinds of losses>When the US of A loses 6 soldiers in the process of grinding one of its longest-standing adversaries into dust in a matter of days:>Every American life is sacred! Please stop invading poor, defenseless third world countries! If you kill your enemies, they win!
>>64931536They didn't though, White House lied. But why, where does this need to humiliate come from? Since you obviously share this frame of mind, explain it to me.
>>64931524>have election>one guy wins>nominates SecDef>approved by the senate>massive media coverage before and after>open debate about the relative merits of the pickNone of this is like Russia at all, you're just salty your team didn't win.
>>64931352Those norms and procedures are what have guaranteed results in spite of whatever retard happens to be helming the ship at the time. The US isn't on top just because they spend the most money on the shiniest toys. It's the result of institutions and culture that has been fostered over decades. Russia wouldn't suddenly become successful if they got 100 trillion dollars tomorrow, because their military culture is rotten to its core.
>>64931508lmao, any coments on the fact that russian/chinese air defenses have proven useless against US power two times in a row?
>>64930964>Did the US not fucking seeyou could enter any thread about technological and tactical developments from the Ukraine war at any time in the past 4 years to see a bunch of smug American retards saying that>it's just slavs being retarded>wouldn't be an issue for us we'd just shoot them down ezthe exact same cope that led to Soviet pilots getting BTFO in Egypt by the kikes
>>64931560>two times in a row?It's at least four now.
>>64931539Because they can be everywhere, underground and in every building
>>64931553https://www.wboc.com/news/international/white-house-says-spain-agrees-to-cooperate-with-us-operations-in-middle-east/article_d1858a07-ef48-5283-9a95-d0175d2b2b82.htmlCope more retard
>>64931539They're already gone. Just give it a few more days for the existing stockpiles to dry up.
>>64931566Ok, can they at least cut the supply chain for their critical components like chips and lithium batteries? Iran produces neither
>>64930979>Ukraine only has to deal with attacks coming from one directionUkraine has to deal with drone attacks coming all the way from Belarus, along the Russian – Ukraine border, into the occupied territories of the Dombas, Crimea peninsula, and the Black Sea.If you were to draw a line along what I just described, it would be about 2300km long.Compare that to the drone attacks coming out of Iran along the Iraq – Iran border, along Persain Gulf and into the Gulf of Oman, you're talking about 2500km long.>aimed at military installations or critical infrastructure.Yeah, the Russians have never hit random civilian targets or a children's cancer hospital!!!
>>64931545>China can't protect factories which produce 80k SAMs a year from airstrikes...
>>64931358It had to be done because just by existing in their inventory it would have inexcapably reminded every day that their national animal is a glorified seagull.
>>64931387>It's not rooting against America to want corrupt incompetents to not have power. That's rooting -for- America.Underrated as a general attitude, not just in regards to Pete.>>64931414Tbf Trump had his own teen girl modeling agency and didn't really need Epstein for hooking up. Also, Trump's commerce secretary was very heavily involved with Epstein and shorting airline stocks before 9/11. Arguably the most damning emails, generally speaking not necessarily specific to trump, are the ones from just before and after 9/11 which aren't being released.>>64931432To be fair, Epstein and Maxwell started operating in the 80's. Which means that Regan, Bush sr, and Bush Jr were also pedophile enablers. Yes the CIA was aware of him because he was involved with the arms dealer in Iran Contra.>Me getting the train back on the tracks
>>64931588They couldnt the last 2 times lmao.
>>64931589>their national animal is a glorified seagullhol up, what?>>64931596>shorting airline stocks before 9/11airline stocks should always be shorted; just ask Branson
>>64931588Ground air defenses are not an adequate deterrence against a modern airforce, no, russia does not have a modern airforce.
>>64931556Okay. I didn't say norms and procedures were all bad, but some are probably worth revisiting, based on the performance of the military? Even if you personally disagree, we had an election touching on this. If the nation desired to keep the civilian leadership more-or-less continuous, it could have voted that way.
>>64930964>Did the US not fucking see how UkraineUS hubris of "hurr-durr we have an actual army" and "hurr-durr experience of ukraine has no value", which many local retards also parroted.
>>64931599>Lets be real dude.>In terms of Venezuela, they weren't even turned on becauseSo you are coping, ok.>Do you honestly believe layers of S300s couldn't shoot down a fucking Blackhawk and Chinook?There were hundreds of aircraft in the air providing support for those.
>>64931599>Iran's just holding back their punches
>>64931610This is a total strawman. The U.S. has been working extensively on anti-drone systems based on lessons learned in Ukraine.
>>64931539They'll just start doing what russia does and have teenagers in schools build them
>>64931610You forgot the part where Israel and the US helped Ukraine with anti drone defenses against civilians.
>>64930902But they also have drones penetrating their defenses, and hitting civilian targets. All it takes is just one drone to break through, to cause havoc.
>>64931599Yoru wording is amazing, sure the PLARF is the biggest threat in the world to US forces and Taiwan because there's literally nothing else, threat is very relative in this case.
>>64931599>It's absolute hubris to see what is happening and think the PLARF isn't the biggest threat in the world to US forcesIran launched over 600 ballistic missiles and killed 6 Americans. How many ballistic missiles does China have? Enough to kill 100 Americans? Maybe.
>>64931588So far, Chinese air defense has been "less than mediocre", to be polite.
>>64931616some US companies were working on shit based on crap happening in Ukraine != there's an official effort from the armymost of US army and administration involvement evaporated after the Trump election>>64931620>Israel>helped- Israel asked ukies to surrender and then didn't send shit for years- Israel cancelled supplies and licenses for contracted stuff after russia asked them- afaik Israel sent some token shit like a few radar only recently
>>64931568>White House saysAgain, Spain has just confirmed the white house is lying.
>>64931614Oh no, they lost their plumbing expert as well as their top anime translator, it's so over for Iran
>>64931604>hol upObligatory 1/2
>White House saysIf things continue like this by the end of this term it will be like "Kremlin says" in terms of truth kek
>>64931599Actually, the PLARF is the single biggest threat to the PLARF. Checkum.
>>64931643oh lolI've seen this but I didn't remember the "glorified seagull" bitthanksI thought for some odd reason you were referring to a European nation and I got interested
>>64931642that's their equivalent of Congress, doofus
>>64931638But your entire argument is based on two wrong assertions>the army isn't learning drone defense lessons from Ukrainethis is obviously wrong, the military has developed lots of tactics and weapons to deal with drone spam>the Ukies would have stopped the onslaught form Iranthis is also untrue. The Ukies never claim a 100% interception rate. There's no evidence the combined interception rate in Iran has been less.
>>64931643>glorified seagullkek
>>64931643>picks the fucking kangaroo as their national animal instead
>>64931383that's what I said
>>64931663>the military has developed lots of tactics and weapons to deal with drone spamYeah, shooting canister shots from tanks at DJI quad copters which are hovering in same place based on how many football fields away they are.
>>64931675rarity beats ferocityalso,
Remember how Hegseth and Rubio aughed at Zelensky in the meeting about Tomahawk missiles when Ukraine proposed their drone expertise in exchange for them?
The western way where everything needs to be meticulously researched and tested instead of buying intermediate systems while developing finalized systems fucks us up constantly.
>>64931696Shart of the deal bro.
>>64931696What expertise? Its obvious you need more AD than ever especially for smaller threats.
>>64931685The military obviously has invested a ton in C-UAS, including APKWSII which is used heavily by Ukraine.
Why the fuck don't we already field ground based APKWS everywhere?!!
>>64931696Yeah because that's a retarded trade?
>>64931030Actually there have been drones launched from crimea that go they Romanian airspace to strike west Ukraine.
>>64931696Considering how many were launched in the salvo that killed the ayatollah, not trading them, even for drone tech, was prescient. If this missile spam does drag out for weeks, the US needs more tomahawks in reserve, especially if they plan on doing this again somewhere else in the next year. Now for EU, or those UAE, Saudi, Syrian folks? I bet they're hammering the Ukies for some of that anti-drone tech. I hope there's a peace deal because any soldier still alive will be drowned by the offers from PMCs and sovereign military forces just to learn what they did with drones.
>>64931708>>64931718Enjoy more of your radars going kaput ;)Would also be shame it's done Burkes got hit soon...
>>64931718>Giving Ukies Tomahawks to provide total vatnigger extermination in return for enhancing intelligence ties is le badIt amazes me that there are retards on this site who will defend the US leaving Ukraine out to dry.
>>64931752Holy ESL.
>>64931754What is EW?
>>64931757Russia doesn't have the mechanized reserves to conquer the rest of Ukraine, let alone US allies. They are off the board already unless you want to talk about MUH NOOKS which no one is going to touch.
kegsbreath has less knowledge about military matters than the average /k/ommando, he's clearly not fit for the job of Secretary of Defense, oops Secretary of War,sorry for the deadnaming sis
>>64931107Not really. The Majority of the population is located in a space the size of North and South Dakota. The rest to the south east is inhospitable desert no one lives in. Worst you'd have to deal with is Iran fleeing to Afghanistan lol and we oust the Taliban again only they have no Iran to arm them.
>>64931754A chinook did in fact get hit by an S-300, it just wasn't damaged badly enough to even force a landing, lolI like how you cope overdosers keep forgetting about real-world events that contradict your worldview. Sad!
https://files.catbox.moe/mrz75p.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/fr6jcg.mp4
>>64931639Never thought I'd see the day when "White House says" became the new "Kremlin says".
Here is also a map of the Iran Highway System which shows all roads leading to Tehran. The real issue would be to avoid a Highway of Death situation from a mass drone attack.
>>64931806>the first torpedo kill since WWII (from submarine)is he fucking stupid?
>>64931901>is he fucking stupid?We are lucky the US military equipment and service members are really that good, so you can afford to make mistakes and not really pay for them.
>>64931901no, just inebriated
>>64931638I hate jews as much as some painters, but they did eventually send patriots and ammo. They were old shit, but they did do it.
>>64931829lbj did it first
>>64931663>The Ukies never claim a 100% interception rate.For sheeit drones it's way over 90% usually. >There's no evidence the combined interception rate in Iran has been less.Just because we don't have official numbers doesn't mean we don't have our own eyes to see massive attacks of that primitive crap going through and retarded sandniggers shooting Patriots at drones, while also shooting down US jets while operating their own jets.
>>64931708>What expertise?actual battlefield know-how, which can't be downloaded from the internet or developed in the lab, I know that most basement dweller nerds don't realize that it's a thing
>>64931757>It amazes me that there are retardsThey are brown, simple as. Browns are full of hubris and most of them support russia in one way or another. The sad part is that a large section of the US society is brown as well.
>>64930892>The U.S. is struggling at something that Ukraine has already masteredYou seem to have made a typo. That should read "The U.S. is struggling at something Ukraine is lying about having mastered"
>>64931751>I bet they're hammering the Ukies for some of that anti-drone tech.And what can they provide in return though?
>>64931778Russia doesn't need any mechanized reserves to conquer the Baltics for example. There's no defensive depth and no demographics to generate a defensive force. The region can be overran on foot, donkeys and scooters before Europe/US would be able to mount a response. This is unironically what many russian talking heads are pushing for:- mobilize a million retards;- send them into the Baltics;- overwhelm the region;- switch to defensive mode;- start ook-ookin about muh nooks to scare away a western response;- get a victory in the war for society instead of continuing to hit its forehead against yet another bumfuck town in eastern Ukraine;
>>64930892>Twitter screenshot thread>Closed door meeting as a sourceYup, its another global south spergout thread
>>64931901>is he fucking stupid?Is water wet?
>>64930902So why is Siyamskyj demanding moar patriots?>>64931600When was the last time China got hit by an air strike?>>64931606lol, lmao even>>64931630China is a peaceful country, the fact that their air defenses mog ours is humiliating on at least five levels I can think of, maybe more.
>>64932096>Russia doesn't need any mechanized reserves to conquer the Baltics for exampleok they can go do itoh, they won't? yeah no shit LMAO shut up goofy nigger
>>64932104Since when was the last time a Chinese Air defense system hyped up by wolf wankers as viable against modern US planes actually worked?
>>64931990>they did eventually send patriots and ammoDid they though? I though that was just unconfirmed rumors which existed for a few years and were routinely disproven. Didn't they just send some early warning radars?
>>64932107hey, if Russia conquers the Baltics at some point during the next thirty years, do you promise to apologize and then livestream your suicide?
>>64932114If is doing the work of Atlas holding that sentence together
>>64930892Zelenskyy offered to trade interceptors for Patriots. Maybe the admin should take the offer.
>>64932107>oh, they won't?That's what many of you "nothing ever happens" faggots said in late 2021 and early 2022. It was retarded to invade Ukraine but they did it. It will be retarded to invade the Baltics, so the russians will in fact do it.
>>64932110>Since when was the last time a Chinese Air defense system hyped up by wolf wankers as viable against modern US planes actually worked?Provide a single piece of evidence that any Israeli or American jet has flown over Tehran. If you can't, then that's proof enough that stealth ain't shit.>>64932119So do you promise? I admit that Russia bothering to conquer the Baltics is unlikely, but unlike you I admit they could do it easily. You are the one pretending that what is, ain't. I'm the one saying that Russia can fuck the baltoids shit up.
>>64932122The US already has plenty of viable interceptor options for the role of killing Shaheds, the Ukrainians at best are ideas guys.
>>64932129Sure if Russia somehow manages to be the country Modern Warfare 2 makes them out to be Ill suck off a Russian twink
>>64932130>The US already has plenty of viable interceptor options for the role of killing ShahedsCan they produce any of them faster than the Iranians can produce Shaheds?>the Ukrainians at best are ideas guys."at best" in reality they're retards with severe FAS.
>>64932135The US can produce more bullets than Iran can produce shaheds. Israel uses Apaches in this role. Ukraine uses prop planes amongst other things.
>>64931659All his experts just died give him a break.
>>64932123they were cutting pieces off of Ukraine for a decade. it was not "uhh YOLO let's do this" it was years of experience giving them false confidence in what they could accomplish.
>>64931126Isn’t it ironic that the defining weapon of our generation has multipolar origins?
>>64932146Its a West German design rehashed multiple times over.
>>64931527Could you really find someone who would be ready to commit such an atrocity? The person pressing the button would be remembered as the worst murderer of human history.
>>64932134>I won't admit I'm wrong, but I'll shift the goalposts to pretend I haven't been anally obliterated.I'm sorry to hear your anus was destroyed. I am mad my tax dollars are going to pay for your adult diapers.>>64932138Provide a single clip of an Apache shooting down a Shahed.As a brief aside, to the faggot mod who just warned me. Go fuck yourself. I don't fucking care. You already lost. NAFO lost. Don't make me post Rapeape's fat asshole.
>AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH HELP ME HABIBI>I DONT KNOW WHERE I AM ANYMORE>ITS SO HOT DOWN HERE>I THINK I SEE DEMONS, ALLAH HELP ME! I CANT STOP BURNING>ITS TOO HOT HELP M-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHKEK. What did Iran's supreme leader mean by this????
>>64931527Would that be a real life remake of the Death Star trench run?
Iran has only killed 6 US soldiers and 0 IDF.Le drone and missile spam is a meme
>>64932155Is this a Russian thing where oral sex is a last resort after you rape a mans anus to pieces? Im very confused.
>>64932153>Could you really find someone who would be ready to commit such an atrocity?Fucking LMAO, you'd have people lining up by the boatloads to do that.Also>atrocity>murderIt's called pest control, ok?
>>64932096Russia can’t do shit fast. Taking a 2km village of 100 people in Ukraine takes 8 months and 30,000 casualties in human wave attacks Le Russian blitzkrieg in baltics meme died with the VDV in Kiev
>>64932155nta but here you go you seething faggot https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2028934162585899438
>>64932176>Spam /k/ with low effort shitposting, disingenuous shilling, and off topic /pol/shit>Gets furious when 4chan start throwing shit back at youWorlds smartest third world brownoid.
>>64932153It would be a Taiwanese killing bugmen commies. Like if a Polish pilot was gonna nuke Moscow. Zero remorse.
>>64931639kek absolutely based
>>64932112FWIW considering the source:www.kyivpost.com/post/54237
>>64932134You'll suck of a russian twink either way, you gay retard.
>>64932135>in reality they're retards with severe FAS.Ivan stop coping and relax for a minute
>>64932199>muslim worshipping communists>based
>>64932207>Glad to see you posted a bunch of /pol/ tier racismthats just normal 4chan racism
>>64932207>Big bad iranian warrior of islam reduced to helplessly crying and screaming about racism on 4chanKEK get lost shill. Better yet, go get bombed by one of the dozen Reaper drones flying over Tehran right now
>>64932216They're based for telling trump to fuck off and not bending the knee. Don't care about what else they do in their country, not my problem.
>>64932221This is what Muslims always do when cornered. The thing that scares them most are kuffars that operate with the same level of brutality that they do. It’s why they seethe over Israel and hate trump so much, because they will disregard le human rights and not be bullied by taqiya
>>64932216Mudslimes are trad and based and make sure the womyn can't vote and stay in the kitchen, everything you advocate for.Heck, the similarities don't end there, they even worship a pedo prophet. It's eerie at this point.
>>64932231wtf suddenly I love a million Algerian migrants and dying for muh Palestine
>>64932239I know nothing about Algeria other than that their airforce is the best of any country which has access to the Mediterranean. Give an articulate reason why they aren't awesome or back to /pol/.
>>64932236Holy fuck youre seething pretty bad right now arnt you Amir?Why dont you go pick up a rifle and fight for your country instead of making garbage threads on /k/ like a coward
>>64932250>muslim shill shilling shithole tapered countries Shock
>>64932236>No, it's definitely /pol/ or even worse, baltoid retard racism. 4chan racism is /b/lackup, /pol/ is "zeee asiatisch subhumanz sind der homosex"
>>64932243Is there anything more embarrassing than le based & trad Christian larp on 4chan? If Christ was your king, you wouldn't advocate for the death of countless people and take joy in it.>inb4 more self masturbatory righteous larping
>>64932182>Taking a 2km village of 100 people in UkraineThey key word here is "in Ukraine". Attacking the Baltics is specifically their wet dream because it would be invading somewhere where it's easy instead of somewhere where it's hard.
>>64932236>Provide an example of a single idea they came up with on their own that Russia didn't immediately do better.Being normal
>>64932269>So you immediately assume that if I don't agree with you it must be a race thing? I note that you refuse to defend anything you claim, you just double down on the race shit.Keep crying like a little bitch, your tears are amusing me greatly. What else can you show me Amir?
>>64932254He's a russian retard, hence the ass blasting about ukies
>>64932129They need to get past Ukraine first, I don't know if you've hear, they lost more territory than they conquered recently.
>>64932269>>I have no arguments, so I will instead pretend you are so silly I don't have to provide any. Maybe someone will be dumb enough to fall for it.
is this the we are actually winning thread
>>64932270>somewhere where it's easyExcept actual NATO assets are in place to defend the baltics, not just old Cold War era hand me downs.The Russian Federation has no answer to F-35s, B2s, tomahawks, it would get decimated, right now, Ukraine is conducting air strikes against russian soldiers on the front with fuckign old ass soviet planes.
>>64932301>You're conceding easily defensible territory.Wat?
>>64932301S-400s are being hit inside Russian territory with small short range drones, you'd stand no chance against a modern airforce.
>>64932311>Except actual NATO assets are in place to defend the balticsthere are like 5 jets there and less than 6,000 western soldiers in total among three countries
>>64932269You whine like a woman
>>64932319And what do you think would happen if you attack and injury/kill those soldiers?
>>64932301Is crimea remaining in russian hands now the "victory" condition for zegroids
>>64932323- Thoughts & prayers - Expressed concerns
>>64932334>unfamiliar with the concept of 'tripwire' >intends to lecture everyone else
>>64931675The natives worship Bunjil as a God so picking him as national animal would have violated the separation of church and state
>>64932334sure comrade, go kill the american soldiers in the baltics, what's the worst thing that can happen?
>>64932270>invading somewhere where it's easylmao, I can't fucking wait for literally those headlines "Russian columns stuck in the swamps" "3700 soldiers died drowning in the swamps" piling up day after day
>>64932312If you fail to understand, I will not pre prepare you for the assault you will eventually receive.>>64932317I'm an Oregonian. While I agree with you, I completely disagree with the retarded notions you have of what constitutes a modern airforce. Oregon stands no chance against China, Russia, or the DPRK, but my homeland is comfortably secure against the feds.>>64932326No, but skvlyyyymnzkjjj has repeatably declared that anything less than 1991 borders is unacceptable. He's your fuherer, not mine. If you want to concede that point and argue for more reasonable objectives for the Ukraine, I'm all ears.
>>64931604>>64931643>hol upObligatory 2/2, delayes because I didn't have it saved and had to do other shit before finding it and converting it for 4chinz
>>64931393>The first one, is the only one that seems even remotely embarrassing/unprofessional.It is also completely false - signal was an approved method of communication.
>>64931411NTA but if we're at least 1 or 2 years ahead of the enemy in technology to the point where we can built drones to intercept drones I'd expect the premier military power to adopt that tech, especially since their allies are already experimenting, developing and trying to produce that tech en masse.
>>64932388Iran, according to SK osint, hit an Israeli command bunker and killed at least 7 officers.https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/iranian-fattah2-hypersonic-strike-israeli-command
>>64931717>why the fuck don't we have a half dozen APKWS on every building within 1500km of IranThink about it for a few hours and I bet you'd figure out the answer.
>>64931107Fun fact: Texas is bigger than Iran
>>64932114Hi, I’m Troy McClure. You may remember me from such films as… "Russia will defeat Ukraine in 3 days"
>>64932403Do you seriously want to draw comparisons between Texas and the US's current political situation? I defy you to defend America's annexation of Texas while simultaniously pretending Lugansk and Donestk aren't legit part of Russia. This is a board about weapons, you're the cockgnobblers who keep gagging about politics. But if we must defend the use of arms through the admixture which they aught to achieve, we can. My homeland is occupied, just like you occupied the Palestinians homeland, and I will defend mine in spite of the odds, just like they are theirs.
>>64932114>hey, if Russia conquers the Baltics at some point during the next thirty yearsIs that before or after Finland mines St. Petersburg's harbor and captures Murmansk?
Aren't the Ukers always crying about drones hitting them?
>>64932319uh huh.>>64932334Russian rail would be dismantled in 72 hours.
>>64931643You don't realize how big a wedgetail is until you see one in person, they're bigger than a swan
