Talk about Carriers.>101 missiles shot at USS Lincoln>101 missiles knocked into the sea I hope everyone learned a lesson from this. I hope everyone who ever said these things were obsolete learned their motherfucking lesson. We RESPECT the AMERICAN SUPER AIRCRAFT CARRIER on this board. We ADMIRE the smooth pettan flatness of its ramp-free perfection. We SALUTE that it brings MCDONALDS to all corners of the globe. This shit right here is what it's about. Perfection. The finest miner of thirdie salt there has ever been.
>>65006698I'm more impressed that such floating cities are even a thing. Doesn't seem like much until you get on one then you think human ingenuity can do some real bullshit things. Gotta give it to the eggheads.
>>65006714The crazy part to me is how stupidly unsinkable they are given how many times we've seen other countries' warships just get deleted overnight. You can nuke a carrier and it won't sink.
Agent Moshe, please refer to updated centcom press releases (last updated: March 16 2026).Discussions on carriers are to be deferred until the USS Gerald R. Ford is back in service.
>>65006722>The finest miner of thirdie salt there has ever been.
>>65006722>USS Ford>status: still gliding on top of the wavesnot sure what your point is
>>65006722What happened to those missiles you were going to spam at aircraft carriers to destroy them all, turdie?
>>65006714I wonder how big can you make a carrier?
>>65006698Get killed.
>>65006698>I hope everyone learned a lesson from thisLow performance missiles require additional stockpiles to overwhelm a carrier strike group's defensive magazines. That's all. Just the expenditure of the defensive magazines was more costly than the offense they defeated. Ergo victory was achieved mostly from lack of effort on the part of the enemy.I'm not a doomsayer against carriers, btw. But the whole Red Sea thing didn't work out for the USN. Civilian ships still avoid the straight when possible and they don't give a shit about some military fleet's layered self defense. It doesn't mean anything to virtually all sailors. A carrier actually trying to win strategically there would eventually be sunk.
>>65006727Design can't contain impact effects of jaded negroes in laundry room after couple deployment extensions.
>>65006750>/pol/Leave.
>>65006743Something shattered people's brains to see this whole Iran war happen. It's like their entire mental model for understanding international foreign relations and strategic deterrence was smashed with a sledgehammer, and now they're clinging to the pieces so they don't have to consider the implications of what's happening before their eyes. They literally cannot survive the US military being something other than an impotent, defeated force in these kinds of asymmetrical conflicts, and not seeing it happen the way they knew it had to go down has completely one-shotted them. It's amazing to see but the cope is also unbelievably retarded.
>>65006754You being a hyperbolic retard sounds impressive in your head, but your post is just retarded.
>>65006760You're the one cooking up an elaborate fantasy about how this isn't a real conflict.
>>65006698It proves if China wants to sink the carrier group they're going to have to use nukes.
>>65006762>tries to change subject.Nothing you've just said has anything to do with >>65006743 or the thread topic.You're just a hyperbolic retard. You aren't actually going to poison the well. Nobody reading this agrees with you, considers the white noise to try to broadcast as welcome, or comes away thinking anything other than that you're trying to scream into the void.
>>65006767Sure pissed you off something fierce. The core assertion remains that "victory was achieved because the enemy wasn't trying hard enough" as though missiles and launch systems and coordination of these strategic assets happens out of a fucking vacuum, so it doesn't count that throwing them at the carrier battlegroup didn't hit anything. It reeks of the same cope as the Monkey Model bullshit for why Soviet tanks got wrecked in Desert Storm, which morphed into Fighting All Of Nato when their shit got pushed in in Ukraine. There's always someone up to bat to say that the US' equipment can never, ever fucking work, and nothing makes them madder than saying "it did, get over yourself." It worked. Get over yourself.
>>65006698Yeah basically this is precisely why there have been decades of chink and fucking turd Global South® hype about hypersonics, because they should in theory actually-work for the ASM role. Half this thread will be chink dicksuckers bragging "just you wait until the df zf bf dongsuck 25 is used against it, it will go in at mach 5000 and split the ship in half." Do they work in practice I dunno. If the Iranians fired some hypersanics at the Lincoln strike group and nothing happened, as people have been saying they will any day now, well guess they don't work and the SM-6 indeed does what it says on the tin. People have just been cautious to say "we already have a hypersonic interceptor" because we didn't really-really know how it'd work out until tested for real. Rather like how it was not common knowledge at all that the PAC-3 patriot technically can do the job too.
>>65006698Then why is the strait closed?
>>65006732I'm imagining one of those ten mile long Warhammer 40k ships but on the water and just doing donuts around Taiwan with it
>>65006743>we won because you shot our missiles downFascinating. >didn't work out for the USNIt certainly seems to be working fine.>B-but the civilian shipsWe're talking about carriers, I don't give a fuck if Apu and Chang have to pay more for oil because I live in GLORIOUS AMERICA which is an OIL EXPORTING NATION.
>>65006776>"victory was achieved because the enemy wasn't trying hard enough"This is true. The Red Sea still isn't much traveled because the carrier didn't defeat the enemy. Yemen still threatens shipping. Had the carrier being sunk (or mission killed, whatever) been in the Houthis' interests, it would have been targeted more. Defensive magazines cannot keep up with basic munitions effective in that theatre because they are more expensive and time consuming to make than the offense. Simple as.I am not mad, you are not only mad, you are defensively, thin skinned mad. Carriers did not strategically defeat the Houthis, the threat of violence on Yemen itself did. The carrier and mostly stood there and wasted munitions.
>>65006743>Ergo victory was achieved mostly from lack of effort on the part of the enemy.Iran has launched many thousands of drones and missiles since the start of the war and yet they haven't tried to spam a carrier. A tactic the internet has been claiming is their primary weakness for years. I have a sneaking suspicion that Iran knows it won't work and instead sends munitions out to harass their neighbors.
>>65006754For a lot of third worlders this feels like it was genuinely all they had. They hate America but can't do anything about it so they convinced themselves the US would never win another war and built up a narrative they can't escape from in their own heads.
>>65006763See >>65006721I mean your point is taken, a nuke will kill everything on board, but the carrier itself won't sink.
>>65006793>excusesThe carrier didn't win the war.You care a shitload about all those ships that aren't sailing the Red Sea, cause that's why you're trying to get ahead of the story. YOU pay for more oil right now because of HORMUZ. Why would you talk about the Red Sea and the Houthis if you didn't care about oil prices? That conflict didn't have anything to do with oil prices. The conflict that did affect oil prices DID affect you. Why are you /pol/posting?
>>65006801Anon, those carriers are outside of drone range. Lincoln in the Red Sea wasn't.
>>65006798Are you fucking pretending the Houthis just didn't want to hit a carrier hard enough? Holy cope, Chang. You must be on the chopping block for getting your organs involuntarily donated if you don't shill hard enough or something. The carrier defeated the missiles. If you sent more missiles, it would defeat those too. And when you run out of missiles, we will have plenty more, and we will bomb you into smithereens just like Iran.
>>65006801This and every single day it works less well because the US actually put the time into considering the possibility and adapting for it and apparently now we can just shoot down all kinds of shit with lasers for pennies on the dollar.
>>65006722Are there any pictures or leaks of the details/extent of the fire? If not that is somewhat suspicious
>>65006743>If you kill your enemies, they winNice to see Iran Canadamaxing. At this rate, it'll be a brand new US client state by Christmas.
>>65006811>Are you fucking pretending the Houthis just didn't want to hit a carrier hard enough? But that is what happened. The Houthis only stopped once the US negotiated with them, and even then shipping STILL avoids the area. I'm sorry you're all pent up about a single ship, but that just means that you're the one coping. Magazine depth and comparative cost of equipment doesn't care about your feelings, but you sure wish it did.
>>65006824>If you kill your enemies, they winThe carrier killed no enemies. It spent precious stocks destroying cheap munitions without opening shipping.
>>65006754anyone that paid attention enough to get through IR101 just got thrown into IR102
>>65006828>But that is what happened.I'm in fucking stitches. The Houthis got bombed into pieces and forced into submission. Iran will be the same way and you will cope and pretend it doesn't count and they didn't really want to win because you are the color of poop.
>>65006828Do you, perchance, not realize that the Houthis do not operate in the Strait of Hormuz? Those guys are in Yemen. The only waterway they can block is the Bab al Mandab Strait between the Gulf of Aden and the Red Sea.
>>65006830>precious stocks You mean Iran's last few missiles it can't make more of?
>>65006842>The Houthis got bombed into pieces and forced into submission.US bombings on Yemen weren't heavy, anon. And they're still there. And shipping still won't sail the Red Sea.>MUH SIDESTry making an actual argument. The US simply did not defeat the Houthis. If Iran turns out the same way then the US is in big trouble.
>>65006844>Do you, perchance, not realize that the Houthis do not operate in the Strait of Hormuz?Yes, duh?
>>65006851>US bombings on Yemen weren't heavy, anonBro stop I am dying laughing say sike nigga say sike
>>65006858Actual fake news. We're negotiating with the faction we're putting into power, the ones we're systematically killing are seething about it. >>65006847Bodied that freak.
>>65006860>MUH SIDESYou are talking to someone who knows what they are talking about. The US claims to have bombed the Houthis about 1000 times in about a year and a half. That's about two bombs per day.
>>65006858The commander in chief desperately making up bullshit is to try to avoid the market tanking and oil rising, not because he sincerely believes it. Every day and week he can convince wall street the war is about to end is another day putting off a meltdown that will tank him in the midterms. Although I think people are smart enough to realize he's bullshitting after he promises the war's about to end for the 50th time. Not to mention with the way the regime is they will just sit there and wait for the US to leave unless there is a ground campaign to topple it. There isn't a bomb and missile for every single individual member of the IRGC even if we knew where every single one was. This was obvious after the first week when there was no civil uprising coming about to do the job, we came too late to ride that wave. The Lincoln can't win the thing by itself even if its airmen killed 10 ayatollahs. The citizens have to decide it's time to act and if they don't, the campaign was cooked and a waste of ammo from the getgo. I have thought this for weeks now already honestly but again there is nothing any carrier or particular type of external weapon can do to win the war. The regime would not survive getting aggro from millions of organic insurgents on the ground however but all we were trying to do is set the conditions for that to be possible. If it doesn't happen we can't make them do it.
>>65006871No, you don't, and that's why you're being laughed at. You are deep in the Islamist cope that you are somehow winning when you get bombed to shit and can't do anything about it because it inconvenienced some third party that isn't even American. You also have no idea what heavy bombing is and you're claiming that the retards we were bombing only didn't take out an aircraft carrier because they were feeling sleepy that day and had a tummy ache. You have no credibility, and you are brown.
>>65006754The problem is that the political class is being retarded again and thrown themselves into another war with no objective except: kill the enemy. Which is fine and good when you're the US Military, that's your job, but then the state pisses away billions of dollars worth of munitions and equipment with nothing to show for it after a good decade or two. It's cool but it's also a gigantic fucking waste of money.
>>65006879>there is no popular uprisingNo just a never ending terror campaign being waged against the IRGC and the Basij that are still foolish enough to show up for work.
>>65006886Killing the enemy and ruining his country IS the goal.They just pretend it isn't so the population wouldn't oppose it at full force. The populace at large are far more willing to accept a "failure at nation building" than an intentional effort at destroying a people and country to the extent they can never be a threat again.
>>65006879>just sit there and waitYeah how'd that work for their Supreme Leader exactly? >There isn't a bomb and missile for every single individual member of the IRGCCool let's see how a military functions with every member of the command structure killed from the sky in an age where coordination is everything in warfare.>even if we knew where every single one wasNot that difficult.Why are all of you TDS types so obviously ignorant of war?
>>65006888what am I looking at? >>65006886>Nothing to show for itControl over more of China's oil supply. The US can literally just afford to keep shooting everything hostile until Iran is quiet and depopulated.
>>65006888You forgot the part where their supreme leader is an eggplant. Because he's a gay vegetable.
>>65006895>>65006896Basij checkpoints being terrorized with AK drivebys and people playing drone sounds over their car stereos.Iran was the least Islamic, Islamic state.Like only 30% actual muslims.Everybody in this photo is dead
>>65006888I mean yes this is all good fun and I am not saying they have not deserved this shit for fucking decades. I just hope it leads to something actually tangible out the other end. Khamenei getting toasted in the opening salvo is I think something people don't grasp the significance of fully yet, history instantly completely changed already, Irna forever changed already... in effect if the primary objective was just to smoke him, well we already got the big milestone out the way. But again I hope it actually makes a lasting change. If their new guy really is the Grand Potatollah that is funny but also means we will have to sit and wait to see who is felt in charge with him around.
>>65006898Good. Sounds like a proper boogaloo and I'm proud of them. Make Iran Persia Again.
>>65006901>I just hope it leads to something actually tangible out the other end.If anything at all, Iran is not going to be capable of joining China in 2027 when they're supposedly invading Taiwan.
>>65006901I prefer the cardboard cutout to the potato
>>65006898those are the worst peak caps I ever seen
>>65006906Its like an adorable Wes Anderson ~2010 hipster movie
>>65006907glad I'm not the only one who was thinking they looked like shit >>65006901The US is taking control of China's ability to access oil. That matters. We can end WW3 before it starts.
>>65006906reminds me of this
>>65006760Can you be a little bit less of a pathetic faggot?
>>65006750>/pol/stay
>>65006917do you have the one with the little sprouted plant?
>>65006886I have a cynical-rational theory that Trump and co. want to largely withdraw U.S. forces from the Middle East because they don't view it as strategically important as it once was, and they want to transfer more responsibility of managing the region to Israel (well, we'll see how that goes) and the Gulfies, so the U.S. can shift forces to the Pacific. But they also want to go out with a bang and cause as much destruction to Iran and to create as much fear as possible, which serves several purposes. For one, it creates a useful impression that the U.S. is crazy and deadly, which is better than people thinking you're in hegemonic decline (even if we are), and we can contrast that to how Biden handled the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Secondly, it shifts the balances of forces in favor of Israel and the Gulfies (especially Saudi Arabia), which gives them more space as we make the handoff. There's some reporting that's sourced kind of iffy about what the Arab kings think about this war, but I personally doubt MBS doesn't mind seeing Iran get blown up. And then the third and final thing is that blowing up the Iranian navy sends a message to China, and it's an opportunity to try out various weapons and procedures that will be used in the Pacific if there's a war there. It's not everyday you get to see how a carrier strike group handles a cruise missile spasm attack in real life. What other nation can claim that?
>>65006935Makes sense.
>>65006935I expected a schizopost but this actually kind of tracks.
>>65006935>>65006949>>65006953Trump literally campaigned on this, I feel like an old man for actually remembering him talking about it during his first primaries.
>>65006935>because they don't view it as strategically important as it once wasIt's because they can't handle China if they're busy anywhere else.The current US military is basically completely incapable of dealing with Sino aggression unless it focuses its full effort on it.Hence Europe and Gulf States get to fuck off from the US defensive umbrella.
>>65006967Did the last chinkshill get offed for his failures? You seem fresh and new, the US could destroy the PLAN as easily as Iran's Navy.
>>65006969>the US could destroy the PLAN as easily as Iran's Navy.Yes, if it focuses all its efforts on that plan.Which is exactly why Trump is abandoning the defense of Europe and the Gulf States.China is preparing for war (Taiwan) in 2027, and the US genuinely needs all its capabilities to properly match that.The necessity of a pivot to the Pacific has been talked about for decades now, and it's finally happening.
>>65006972No, and that isn't happening either. Read the thread, chinkoid delusions don't apply here. You will never take Taiwan, No Dong.
>>65006972America will just let Japan off its leash and they will Nanking your entire country >but the numbersIrrelevant to bushi-do
>>65006998>America will just let Japan off its leashJapan will just build nukes if that's the case.
>>65007000Good. Two nukes turned Japan civilized, let's see how many it takes for them to civilize China.
>>65007005Zero, because a nuclear Japan will never get invaded and China doesn't care so long as it gets control of the island chains and turns Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia at least neutral.
>>65007008Remember when the Japanese prime minister said that a Chinese blockade of Taiwan would be a situation that could potentially lead to Japanese military action and then the chinks absolutely lost their shit of over it? How do you think the Japanese would feel about China taking over the entire south Pacific?
>>65007014>How do you think the Japanese would feel about China taking over the entire south Pacific?Kvetching and serious concern.The Japanese are an effeminate, neutered race on the level of the Germans. They would doom their own people if it was socially acceptable. They're an oversocialized, pitiful group of worthless fucks who lack the means of survival outside of Pax Americana.
>>65007017That's a strange way to talk about the #2 military power in the world.
>>65007020>#2 military power>doesn't have nukesYou jest.
>>65007022How are those nukes working out for Russia? Have they won against the poorest country in Europe, yet?
>>65007023>How are those nukes working out for Russia?Without those nukes the US would have invaded / deposed the Russian government a long time ago.They're the only reason why some level of stability is maintained in that shithole. Hell, it's why the US stopped the famine in Russia after the Soviet collapse.
>>65007017World War 2 showed us two things. It showed us that the Chinese are fundamentally a weak, cowardly people, and it showed us that the Japanese are a brave and fierce people. The moment a shrieking chink peasant stands face to face with some scrawny otaku, that otaku will remember his heroic destiny and begin beheading chinks as his ancestors did, this time with the approving friendship of Uncle Sam.
>>65007024Sounds like China will probably back down from their shit disturbing in Taiwan when Japan announces they suddenly realized how to make a nuke after operating nuclear reactors for 60 years.
>>65007024The CIA has made very sure those weapons don't work.
>>65006886It's not even cool
>>65007031Why would they?Japan is not in a position to use nuclear weapons just because China invades Taiwan.While it's an obvious geopolitical threat to Japan, there's nothing about China taking control of its shipping lanes that inherently threatens Japan. If anything, the only thing it would achieve is push Japan into actually building their nukes to ensure China can't significantly threaten Japan. But why would they want to? Seriously. Claiming that China wants to destroy Japan is like claiming the US wants to destroy Canada.
>>65007022Nukes hardly mean shit if nobody wants to play with them. Japan would stomp many nuclear powers navally with ease, their only true opponent (China) wouldn't likely use nukes because it would definitely lead to escalation with the US and because Japan wouldn't dare invade mainland Chinkville. >>65007017Japan is the strongest west-aligned nation in the area, and in the next few years their growth will probably be pretty concerning to fags like you. Dont forget their society (mostly) isn't held back by modern multicultural issues and shit (ignoring their birth rate). In 20 years, Japan will probably have some nukes, similar to Israel except they will let people know they have them and will be proud to have such power.
>>65007041>Nukes hardly mean shit Nukes mean you can't be conventionally destroyed and occupied.Any effort at destroying your country inevitably leads to a full nuclear exchange.Nukes mean EVERYTHING.
>>65007041>in the next few years their growthWhat fucking growth?Their US bond scheme is collapsing and their elderly population is incapable of any kind of growth.The only potential savior of Japan is AI and automation, but that applies to all countries in the world.
i doubt iran fired ~100 ascm at lincoln, and those they did were no doubt in small salvos they. released videos of themselves firing some kh-55 derivatives and drones at her; those are generally manageable to burkes in small to moderate salvos, especially with aew.i'm surprised they managed to get them out to her and that they were a threat that needed to be engaged. meaning incoming.
>>65007043>Nukes mean you can't be conventionally destroyed and occupied.Yea, but only a retard would try to occupy China, same with Iran. I doubt nukes would fly in some naval spitting match.>>65007045Once all the pensioners thin out the smaller population will flourish. Their economy is fucked because they were one of the first ones to have to deal with modern birth rates and an aging population.
>>65007039Yeah, like the US and China if the prime minister of Canada was on record as saying the Rape of New York didn't happen, but they should do it again.
>>65007049>Yea, but only a retard would try to occupy China, same with IranBut that means you can't ever truly defeat the country. If you don't occupy a country, they can keep on fighting.That means nukes mean you CAN NEVER TRULY BE DEFEATED.Which completely contradicts the original claim of >Nukes hardly mean shit posited here >>65007041So nukes are everything. Nukes are the basic requirement for sovereignty.
>>65007039>China taking control of its shipping lanesChina taking other people's shipping lanes, because those shipping lanes do not belong to China, threatens Japan. More importantly the US has China by the balls right now and with the J-20 DOA Xi isn't going to do shit. >>65007045In terms of population decline China is in a lot more danger than the US and the same applies to economic collapse and that gets more pronounced every year.
>>65007046https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8MZBUoQt68An interesting video on this subject you should watch.
>>65007054>China taking other people's shipping lanes, because those shipping lanes do not belong to China,They belong to China if China can take control of them, which is the primary strategic focus of the country's military, and has been for the past decade+.
>>65007054>In terms of population decline China is in a lot more danger than the USThe US?Why the fuck are you bringing the US up suddenly, when the discussion was about Japan?Are you some kind of LLM-bot just shilling the approved narrative or something?If you're a human, consider this a severe insult.
>>65006698>Schroedinger's missile, surviving being targeted by them is a testament to your greatness but also they are made of potmetal, chinese fireworks and a gerbil as guidance systemMeanwhile I don't think a carrier has ever fired it's CIWS in anger since WW2. Turns out all those Ticos and Burkes being retired are pretty good at their jobs.>inb4 small missile boatsThe only angle I find somewhat interesting is how many sorties/aircraft did the carrier have to put aside for the missile boats to be taken off the board.Just give me an actual surface combatant unloading his AShm on a CSG so we can stop this.I'm tired of hearing how 2 out of 287 Shaheds made it to targets show us the persian UAV magicm. I'm equally tired of hearing infinite sorties being generated off of a carrier since the infinite nuclear range must mean that.
>>65007057>They belong to China if China can take control of them,So they don't belong to China.
>>65007091>Ticos and Burkes being retiredWhat did he mean by this?
>>65006743>you shot down all of missiles, and didn’t get a scratch>proof we won Wtf type of cope is this
>>65006698100% agree with you on carriers, capabilities, and function. The reason we proved it in this way is retarded tho.
>>65006750Surely, this man means "negroes" colloquially. As a Moderate Man, I am an Originalist. A Moderate always finds the intent of the thing and welds himself to the mast afore Iwo Jima!A Moderate knows "negroes" refers to the color of a man's Character and NOT his skin! Why, "black" is the primal fear of night not the fear of Dusky Complected Friends! One, in Moderation, assigns negative character assessment only after he has determined the Regular Slip-Johnny you meet on the street is likely to abscond avec vous Wallet. Or take out the gal you've been going steady with!Yes sir. Moderate Men don't give to excitable opinions, adventurous cheeses, or inexact linguistic inflection.
>>65007096>So they don't belong to China.Not before 2027.
>>65007189It's not happening then either.
>>65006754Cuba rotated 300,000 soldiers through Angola the same year the US watched the Fall of Saigon. Impotence has been the goal since the 60s. We’re done with that crap now.
>>65006969>>65006989>>65006998I always find it queer that some anon always says America is superior but then gets absolutely mad at people suggesting America should use its resources to be superior. It's as if he thinks America can simply defeat China with no ships in the pacific and having a barbeque in norfolk instead.Nobody is saying America can't defeat China or that America doesn't have the best Navy on Earth. People are saying America is cleaning up things that could distract it from beating China handedly. It's like how we had to handle Japan first in WW2 before we could start moving shit into Europe, we could handle the entire Kriegsmarine and Imperial Japanese Navy we just decided it'd be better to dedicate resources to contain Japan before moving to Germany. That's what people are talking about here. We can defeat the entire world's navies but America, having good military leadership and not being retards sitting on their laurels, is cleaning up messes before tackling the big boy for a quick knock out instead of having to sidequest when it happens and all the thirdies think it's time to strike.
>>65007091Lincoln got struck on the deck and it didn't even put the deck out of commission. Missiles, both on the Iranian and US side are over-hyped as fuck. The tomahawk has been unable to take out lightly-equipped shore batteries that under the same circumstances the Iowa's big guns leveled into dust during the Gulf.
>>65006805So can a chemical weapon, and it's surprising that a chemical agent dispersed over the sea isn't more of an option. Even weaponized norovirus would be fucking nasty in the event of war.
>>65007207Angolan civil war mentioned
>>65007114That Burkes and Ticos are in the process to get retired.
>>65006698>>101 missiles shot at USS Lincoln>>101 missiles knocked into the seaUsing standard, essm and ram missiles to shoot down garage built missiles propelled by two stroke engines is a strategic loss, the missiles are far more difficult to replace than the low end targets they shot down.
>>65006722>CVN on repeatedly extended deployment where it soloed an entire country before moving to the next is rotated off line and replaced with another CVN for maintenance and refit>OMG CARRIERS ARE ALL OBSOLETE DECISVE HAN VICTORYNot sure if you're a chang or an air force fag, either way both have been btfo by the USN CAWs over the last 18 months
>>65007056they sent three cruise missiles at lincoln today, which were almost certainly intercepted if they managed to be within the seeker cones (unlikely). this is how they've been engaging her so far.if they accurately sent a salvo of 100 kh-55 derivatives at the strike group, something would get hit.
>>65007458You mean the strait that ships are currently, right now, openly transiting while broadcasting AIS in the clear?Hope you enjoy the taste of my nuts nutsack retard.
>>65006898>Everybody in this photo is deadsavage
>>65006780Is it closed?We're dealing with "Shrodinger's Strait" right now.
>>65006754Based and correct take, not surprising it generates immense seethe.
>>65006698
>>65006828>b-but that is what happenedHahaha, no it’s not, you delusional retard.You suffer from America Derangement Syndrome, and i say this as a euro who wants trump to ingest lethal amounts of lego, you are genuinely not in the same reality as everyone else anymore.
>>65006714>eggheadswhat kind of autistic faggot unironically talks like this
>>65006811They were dodging Missiles so hard, weaving so hard that planes fell off the deck into the water. And then they sailed away fast to get out of range.
>>65007735>BloomBERGKikes or brownoids are not sources
>>65007894And yet no missiles hit it and the Houthis were bombed so severely they made a deal in ~2 weeks.
>>65007894>and then they sailed away fast to get out of rangethis didn’t happen
>>65007430Wrong, America's gdp is roughly 108 times the size of Iran's upper end gdp from 2020 before the decline really kicked them in the balls. That puts the price of an Iranian 30k drone on par with an American PAC-3. When you factor in the cost of what is being protected, and what the lack of Iranian AD means for production it heavily leans in America's favor. Where did this idea that America is beholden to it's enemy's budget come from? Btw, the cost leans even more in America's favor when only comparing military budgets in which case America has about 262 times the breathing room and those 30k drones start approaching THAAD costs.
>>65008094Common error people make is assessing the cost of the interceptor and not assessing the cost of the thing the interceptor protects. Of course, you always want to max efficiency and drive down interceptor costs as low as possible while maintaining capacity. But if you're burning through PAC-3's to protect an oil terminal that generates $120 million per day, its worth it.
>>65007572looks kinda closed to me
>>65007029Holy fucking based
>>65008094>Wrong, America's gdp is roughly 108 times the size of Iran's upper end gdp from 2020You dont win a war trough money, you win a war trough physical hardware and manual labor. America has a shitload of money it *cant* turn into weapons because the necessary physical facilities are not there. The consequence is massively increased prices of weaponry in times of high demand (such as now). The result is massive profits for the private enterprises that sells weapons to the american government (their only customer). These enterprises then refuse to expand production because they deem it likely that the war will be over in say 12 months so if they expand they will end up sitting with huge investments to cover a government only demand that will just evaporate. So the naive solution here suggested by morons is to give these private interests long contracts, locked in at the elevated prices during the war. This is of course completely moronic. So the government does not do that. Once peace comes, the government will cease to buy muntions at high spot prices, and the private companies will then shed their surge production capability (if they have any) and labor. At most, they go from one shift to three shifts. This is called lean manufacturing, something that the CEOs learn in MBA school. Never invest in surge capability because it is dumb, a shortage is an opportunity to increase the price of sold goods until it passes, not to increase market share by increased production. Leave production investments to morons such as the chinese, who never cease to invest in production, unlike americans, who knows how to make money.
>>65007221>I'm actually a patriot for shilling for ChinaYour google translated posts say otherwise. Trying to pass China off as a US peer doesn't fool anyone, Chang, nor does moving your goalposts when anyone can follow the conversation chain. Choke on your dinner bat.
>>65007430You tried this earlier and got btfo making the exact same cope.
>>65007464No, it wouldn't.
>>65007720you need to remember that thirdies have repeated "The US hasn't won a war since World War 2" as a mantra for years on /pol/ to cope with living under the thumb of their burger kings. >>65007735>BloombergFake news.
>>65008167>You dont win a war trough money,You do when the entire thirdie cope strategy is playing a game of financial chicken with America.
>>65008167>This is called lean manufacturing, something that the CEOs learn in MBA school.the google translated english is so funny>America has a shitload of money it *cant* turn into weapons because the necessary physical facilities are not there.Yes they are. Iran's are dust and ashes now though. ;)
>>65008123They turn off their transponders. That's basically the only way iran can track them now
>>65008288Now I want a whopper.
>>65007221>It's like how we had to handle Japan first in WW2 before we could start moving shit into EuropeUh anon, VE day happened like half a year before VJ
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>>65008428If Iran is so based why don't they use WMD's on Israel?
>>65008500Shit like this is why I don't care about Israel kicking mudshits out of their homes, the kikes already live there rent free
>>65006891Because they're nogunz faggots from reddit coming here to seethe
LOL the mighty china's "super" carrier.
>>65007014They're still losing their shit over it.
>>>/wsg/6116316
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>>65008312Yup. The salt mining from thirdies on /pol/ as they realize Iran can't collect tolls has been amazing.
>>65006727Dude you don't get it, a dryer caught on fire, it's literally over for the decadent western fascists.
>>65008619Is this the one whose engines failed chasing a tiny jeet boat?>>65008835>A dryer lostThis would be a devastating blow if it was Russia, to be fair, how else will they armor their tanks?
>>65006891Add to that the fact that the IRGC is running out of ways to pay its people, and even most terrorists will look for something else to do when they don't get paid for long enough.
>>65006743I know that you’re not trying to be reasonable, so I’m not trying to reason with you, but the fallacy here is pretty obvious. Let’s suppose, for the sake of argument, that the cost of all of the weapons fired at the CSG were indisputably cheaper than the cost of defending it. Let’s even go far enough as to say that this is the case even considering the massive disparity in the American versus Iranian economic output, and military budget. Even if these things were definitely true, the opportunity cost of having an American carrier able to operate directly off of your coast, and to continually bomb you without you being able to touch it is being totally overlooked. I’m sorry to say, but the carrier has almost certainly inflicted greater economic damage on Iran than Iran has inflicted on the carriers defensive weapon stocks. in case you forgot, the carrier has been bombing Iran for over a week uncontested. The United States is currently dropping extremely cheap gravity bombs from mostly legacy air frames on entire factories, economic centers, and command structures, all without remotely notable personnel or reusable equipment loss. I would genuinely expect more casualties than have been confirmed so far from a training exercise of the scale on display then Iran has been able to inflict in a shooting war.
>>65006793>OIL EXPORTING NATION.And yet gasoline prices are rising, learn how global markets work.
>>65007017>The Japanese are an effeminate, neutered race on the level of the Germans.Strange, i didn't see Japanese people topple statues of historic people because they hurt some university students feelings. I did see Americans doing it though.
>>65007221>but America, [...] not being retardsThey elected Taco man.
By far the lowest IQ "topic" ever posted to /k/, winnar(either a reflection of /k/ itself or the decline in global IQ over the past two decades; now have AIDScancer reading these replies)
>>65007029Yee-haw and banzai
>>65008946>The United States is currently dropping extremely cheap gravity bombs from mostly legacy air frames on entire factories, economic centers, and command structures, all without remotely notable personnel or reusable equipment loss.The other question is: who is going to rebuild all that blown up stuff and pay for it. China? They're not at all committed to doing what the Soviet Union did for the Arab armies in '67-70's. Just go check the attrition and equipment losses in those wars with Israel, absolutely insane numbers of AA systems (etc.) that the USSR was producing to be replaced. Will Russia do it today? Lol. Turkey? Getting desperate now. Who's going to deploy AA units under whose protection they can rebuild?Look at Syria. They will probably not have an AA system again for many years. If the IDF wanted to, they could roll into Damascus with a division and blow the city to pieces with artillery, and nobody could stop them other than America.The plot twist though are drones. The U.S. (and the UAE...) are having a problem dealing with drones coming across the Persian Gulf, and also ballistic missiles to an extent, but less so because a lot of them have been blown up, so I think the U.S. needs to get really practical in dealing with drones and also being able to deploy its own LUCAS drones at scale.
>>65009117>If the IDF wanted to, they could roll into DamascusIf the last wars have shown us anything, then that you can't simply "roll" anywhere nowadays without getting blown to bits by piss cheap drones and have people on youtube mocking you.
>>65008410yes, because we contained Japan ahead of schedule and shifted resources to Europe
>>65008946>the opportunity cost of having an American carrier able to operate directly off of your coast, and to continually bomb you without you being able to touch it is being totally overlooked.But the carriers are nowhere near the coast. During Iraqi Freedom you had two carriers inside the Persian gulf. Now one carrier is somewhere in the west indian ocean while the other is in the red sea. At that point they are barely much better than ground airports, and in any case, the response time and sorty rate is much lower due to the distance.
>>65006754Projecting much?>But muh bombings are working this time!Literally the same fucking story we've seen for the last 30+ years. How many repetitions do you need to figure out it's what happens after that actually matters, and where thee US has yet again alredy positioned itself for failure?
>>65009065>the redditard is still trying to force itthat term died after maduro got snatched
>>65009215That's right, the US it's positioned for failure after removing most of Iran army and firepower, alongside all, if not most of senior leadership. I detect something brown
>>65006698And the aircraft carrier is located where now?
>>65009410Destroyed x50 times in brownoid propaganda apparently
>>65006935I'm not nearly as optimistic as you but goddamn I hope you're right because this all seems like the most retarded way possible to do it.
>>65006895>Control over more of China's oil supply.China produces fuel at scale from coal (more than anyone else). It’s not very economical but they’ve literally built the processing plants right beside their coal mines for this eventuality.
>>65007317They're in the process of getting life extensions again.
It's been amazing to see that Iran and Friends absolutely have the materiel but cannot figure out how to perform a saturation bombardment, quite literally to save their lives.
>>65006820>Are there any pictures or leaks of the details/extent of the fire? If not that is somewhat suspiciousThe ship's on combat info lockdown (which means any personal device capable of getting data out will be either confiscated or blocked). Leaking info on that would get someone jail time and/or Infinite Watch Works. Even a 50-asvab chucklefuck is pretty unlikely to want to risk a BCD or a couple weeks on hard labor. The laundry rooms are in also a physically locked area in the ass end of the ship near the machine shops (no panty raids for you). There are less than 50 people with direct access to it in the normal course of events. So tracking down a leak would be pretty trivial. With the way firefighting in those spaces works, several of the machines are probably shot from Purple K or seawater exposure. Standard procedure is to ration washes on everything but skivvies until they can get new machines flown out, and use the wardroom's washers to handle more enlisted stuff. Most naval bases have absolutely massive laundromats, because we all have civvies and other shit we need to clean, so once they get into Crete things should be fine in a day or two.
>>65007091>I don't think a carrier has ever fired it's CIWS in anger since WW2.They have been. Most of that shit winds up classified for obvious reasons, especially when it'd cause an international incident otherwise.>>65007302>a chemical agent dispersed over the sea isn't more of an optionLook up what Condition X-Ray is. Carriers can pull a complete lockdown for days, we all get issued gas masks for battle stations and there's an automated decontamination setup over the working areas of the exterior of the ship. One of the explicit scenarios we used to drill was Iraq/Daesh/Iranians launching a light suicide aircraft or drone with bio/chem weapons in the Straits and the shootdown contaminating the ship. We've basically assumed most second-world opponents would try biological or chemical weapons against CVBGs since the start of the Cold War, same as every NATO aircraft facility.
>>65006698>amerifat proud he can survive vs third world country LOLare the toilets still broken?
>>65009812>third worldIran was first world until the revolution. Just saying.
USS Ford musta took a hit from something, or it had a PRISON RIOT MUTINY.I'm honestly split ifty-50.On one hand a PRISON RIOT of over 600 matts burned sounds pretty wild, but on the other missile intercepts aren't perfect and you are dealing with Iranian hyper-sonics, with Russia/China targeting, not just Houthies.Be interesting if any crew is ever able to tell WTF really happened.
>>65009826egg fried rice is extremely delish for the little effort to prepare it (compared to other dishes), it's a shame people only mention it to meme on some retarded kid who tried to cook at night in a warzone.
>>65009050I wouldn't classify them as "Americans", those people are rootless commies of no nation, and the statues went back up. Southern Generals 1, blue-haired they/thems 0.
>>65008946Every time I want to give up on this board I see a post like this and remember that intelligent people are still here. >>65009071The internet spreading to third worlders thanks in part to, I shit you not, Soros-backed NGOs has been a disaster for 4chan.
>>65009065That term comes from you people convincing yourselves you were going to get holocausted, and then when it didn't happen rather than admit you were wrong you invented this scenario where actually he really was a fascist but you stopped him by waving signs, as if that has ever stopped a real tyrant in the long history of tyranny. But that's a topic for /pol/, or better yet your next therapy session, and this is /k/. On /k/ we talk about weapons, and warfare, so if we talk about Citrus Caesar it's going to be in the context of warfare and not how funny it was when that fat dyke got shot. In the context of warfare, he's undeniably done a fantastic job even with the four years in between. For once, we're actually using our weapons and hard power advantage rather than pussyfooting around going to parties and making speeches, all of the supposedly unbeatable asymmetric warfare oriented Islamist groups that Obama couldn't do shit about have their entire leadership vanish the moment the US looks at them these days. So by /k/ standards, objectively he is a good POTUS. Maybe I would feel differently if I was an illegal and a tranny or something, but as a white male citizen who likes jets and aircraft carriers, I'm seeing them used effectively and that makes me happy.
>>65009921>Soros backedyeah Elon, MAGA and most of all Russian shill farms dindu nuffin
>>65009848>you are dealing with Iranian hyper-sonics, with Russia/China targeting,Yeah that means they're well over 50% likely to fail or something absurd like that. How the fuck do you think a missile cooked a bunch of beds? It was some uppity DEI hire finding out that the Navy isn't a vacation and chimping out, the exact same people Hegseth (PBUH) has been trying to weed out from the beginning. Or a dryer caught on fire, since we know the mats were damaged and that could just easily be "they reeked like smoke and the sailors didn't want to sleep on them".
>>65009941It was never the Russians, Hilldawg was just a shit candidate. You can thank MAGA for every major American military W in the last several admins, by the way. You're welcome. I think it's self-explanatory, before you try to throw a hissy fit about this, that missiles did more to dissuade Soleimani and Khameini than pallets of cash did.
>>65009950based and I'm glad someone finally told those spergs that instead of ignoring them and hoping they go back to plebbit or /pol/ or whatever social media chinks use
>>65009410>one of your carriers left for repairs so you lost, because any negative thing to happen to the US means they lose the war.we have other carriers in the area.
>>65009950>Hilldawg was just a shit candidatehillary would probably have been a great VP but shes simply too unlikable to be a president.
>>65010029No she wouldn't have. There is this bizarre idea that because she was autocratic and arrogant that she was competent as a politician, and she really wasn't. She was simply very bribable and very close to more competent people, like Bill. Also she was a traitor and you should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting putting that hag near the seat where Lincoln and Teddy sat. She was a spoiled brat and she got the correction she deserved. You can't spin "give Iran pallets of cash and let the military rot while simultaneously making giant threats constantly" as good military leadership. She was a bad talker and a worse commander, and yes I have met her personally and known and worked with people who had to escort her retarded ass around in the sandbox.
>>65009921That's not the reason and,Holy fuck is this >>65010046 the absolute lowest IQ thing I have ever read in 30 years of the internet.I'm archiving this "topic" as the stupidest dumbest collection of 185 posts ever made on any platform-forum
>>65010061Refute his post with critical criticism that would make you the more rational motivated poster
>>65010067>'refuting'He's lying and is too stupid to operate a computer device.This entire board /k/ is beyond a joke after the year 2014(RE: Clintons watch their ten hours of recent U.S. House of Representatives testimony then we can talk)>rational motivated(You) are a dumb fuck 35-IQ faggot larping bitchboy that takes this board /k/ and 4chan seriously.Holy fuck this thread needs to be preserved in amber for its sheer stupidity.
>>65010070I was just asking you a question. Yet you answered with insults instead. The Clinton corruption and their hands manipulating many events in and out of the US are quite documented. Denying this make you seem like a simpleton getting your news from reddit. You're unable to refute his post.
>>65010061Cope and seethe. You know I'm right or you would have posted a reason why I'm wrong.
>>65010070Yeah I did watch those two pedos cope and seethe in front of congress, was I supposed to get some kind of flash of military genius out of that hag? No. Because the military was a disaster under her cabal and she started wars in every country she touched, possibly the worst SoS ever. You are completely wrong, and you have no argument against this.
>>65010078>'y-you're unable to refute'Fucking kek, there's nothing to.JFC what a bunch of absolute total dumbfucks on this so-called 'board'>corruptionStart with George Herbert Walker Bush that worked hand-in-hand with Mena, Arkansas airport while the Clinton's occupied the governor's mansion during Iran-Contra laundering the money through BCCI (none of those questions were asked during their testimony last month). That is the core of corruption.(You) are a Dumb Fuck 35-IQ faggot larping bitchboy that 'thinks' he knows how the world works, and also takes /k/ and 4chan seriously.Nothing to 'discuss' here.>news from redditWhat's so amazing is this "topic" is actually lower IQ and less informed than even plebbit.Nobody knows what is occurring on all sides in the Iran conflict rn. Nobody can explain from inside-crewmember perspective what happened on CVN-78. Nobody knows the extent of damage to U.S. persian gulf bases, to the interior of Israel, or the interior of Iran. Nobody knows, yet dozens of "this" and "that" topics on /k/. Nobody has _any_ reliable information, yet more and more slapfight speculation topics.Furthermore, this OP topic is _off-topic_ for /k/.but not in the IQ department it hits the target for that
>>65010083(You)'re a coping 35-IQ bitchboy lying larping faggot <--and haven't denied thatHave mom make another hot pocket before bedtime Faggot
>>65010095>>65010098So you have no argument. Did your employer just not send you those talking points and is that why you're having a third-world meltdown, because now you won't get paid? Sucks to suck, I guess.
>>65010095How are carriers and the prosecution of effective military strategy offtopic? This isn't /leftypol/ or your safe space to vent about your TDS to your wicca coven or whatever. Go back.
>>65010104>'y-your employer'I do it for free>'t-talking points'Fucking kek, that's ____all that /k/ is____ for Twelve Years Straight. It's beltway social media. Low IQ to boot (you're proving that reality with each new post)Get killed. And that's a serious statement on not-to-be-taken-seriously 4chan>'third world'Safe and snug west of the Mississippi.Keep coping the aroma is soothing.
>>65010110Have (You) read the thread, 25-IQ?Not One Single Post is about what you purport it to be.This board /k/ is a waste of bandwidth.
>>65010095>muh Iran contra We do not apologize for killing commies on this board
>>65010113>>65010114absolute commie meltdown
>>65010119>herp derphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzdZp11SQMohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_Clubhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credit_and_Commerce_Internationalhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Khashoggi
>>65006714That and it is powered by a controlled nuclear reaction. They were still impressive when they were guzzling fuel oil, but now they can do 35 mph, conditions allowing, for TWO FUCKING DECADES STRAIGHT, minus the inevitable parts breakages and having to slow to be replenished.
>>65010127Not getting baited into arguing about your debunked conspiracy theories>>>/pol/Shoo.
>>65006722Fuck jews and fuck you too, shitskin. U.S.A. is the most powerful nation to ever exist. Your seething jealousy doesn't diminish our might in the slightest.We could glass your excuse for a nation with conventional weapons and no one would do shit except kvetch.
>>65010143>baitedThat's what every single low IQ post in this low IQ "topic" on this low IQ board is.>muh 'debunked'Jeffrey Epstein has been debunked?How about U.S. Virgin Islands Stacey Plaskett (that the U.S. Congress refused to censure)>conspiracy theoriesWhich specifically? Look into how many Arkansas state troopers lost their lives in odd circumstances 1980s-later, and branch out from there.No, Ronald Reagan was never President of the United States, it was George Herbert Walker Bush (CIA director 1976-1977 when Safari Club began) as America's president 1981—1992. Succeeded by his pal in Mena 1992 (prior to that year no one outside of Arkansas ever heard of Slick Willy or Hilldawg).Keep malding and seething until (You) vapor lock.
>>65006722Americans actually expect to wear clean clothes every morning.You cannot understand.You should be thanking us that we chose not to contribute to global pollution and just VERTREP new unis every day while staying on station.Because we could.
>>65010119Reagan was still and always was, a lying piece of shit.Mulford was wrong, even if it was meant to target subhumans.FOPA was decent.But he will forever be a bitch for supporting Brady, even if he was out of office.
>>65010143Anyone who cries >>>/pol/ on /k/ is a fag, whether right or wrong.Are you a fucking jannie, queer?
>>65010114>>65010113>>65010095>>65010070infinite nogunz seethe
>>65010276>off-topic post, this thread is about aircraft carriersHave way too many. Keep malding
