>>35505217
why do you fall for bait?

>>35505515
How is it bait?

>>35505217
I think a moral panic can be said to have truly begun when those caught up in it can no longer tell when their imagined opponents are joking.

Peoples inability to tell that #breakthepencil is a shitpost shows the anti ai art moral panic is now in full swing.

>>35505217
I think that AI is cool and that in a lot of ways it socializes the production of consumer media for things like graphic design, voice acting, background music, and potentially in the future being able to full animation
but the stuff about "inclusive and animal rights" or whatever is silly. Half the time the developers just put a hidden prompt of "racially diverse" or something after your actual prompt to make it difficult to produce pictures of a medieval pope or american founding fathers without getting a bunch of pictures of black women.

>>35505217
Artificial

>>35505217
I like both I make art for myself still just for fun but I love that people can get custom images of their dnd characters and stuff

>>35505619
>but I love that people can get custom images of their dnd characters and stuff
And they literally all look like Chinese bootleg tier shit.
I'm not into DND, but if I ever tried to play it with friends and they started using ugly ass AI trash for character art, I'd leave immediately. That shit is an insult to my intelligence.

>>35505217
Carly!!!

>>35505658
what's so bad about chinese bootleg?
I'm not an artist, I would never be able to make good character art for my dnd character. I don't get why you would have such an issue with me using AI to produce art in that situation. It just feels like a kneejerk reaction.

>>35505594
>Peoples inability to tell that #breakthepencil is a shitpost shows the anti ai art moral panic is now in full swing.
It's not a "moral panic" if people are "panicking" about something that is legitimate to "panic" about.

The world's richest and most evil corporations (Microsoft, Apple, Google, Meta, etc) have been completely open about the fact that they intend to use artificial "intelligence" technology to make humanity obsolete in all fields. If it's not worth getting outraged about this sort of thing, then what IS worth being outraged about?

>>35505695
>what's so bad about chinese bootleg?
...Seriously? Are you from the third world or something?

>I would never be able to make good character art for my dnd character. I don't get why you would have such an issue with me using AI to produce art in that situation.
I would rather you make no art, and just let people use their imagination, rather than being a bugman and letting a computer generate things for you.

>>35505217
i think its neat what math formulas can end up doing

>>35505743
>...Seriously? Are you from the third world or something?
no, I'm just not so arrogant and american as to think you can't enjoy low quality shitty chinese products
>I would rather you make no art, and just let people use their imagination, rather than being a bugman and letting a computer generate things for you.
see it's just buzzwords
I'm a "bugman" if I use AI to generate pictures of my character? This is what I mean, it's a kneejerk reaction. You don't have any reason not to like it, you've just decided that you don't and anyone who disagrees is a basedboy numale bugman cuck.

>>35505217
Because you don't have to be an artist but can appropriate the term and pretend to be one. Duh.

>>35505777
>I'm a "bugman" if I use AI to generate pictures of my character?
You are a bugman if you cannot perform tasks for yourself and must instead instruct a machine to perform all the work for you.

The path you're walking down will eventually lead you to become a drooling retard who can't do anything for himself. "Why write when ChatGPT can generate it for you?" "Why learn to play an instrument or sing when you could just AI generate a song?"

>You don't have any reason not to like it
I've explained my reasons not for liking it. I'm ideologically opposed to replacing humans with machines in any instance. It's not just an art thing. I'm equally against the usage of "AI" in education, socialization, personal assistants, sex bots, etc.

>>35505850
some people in ancient greece were against the use of books because they thought that replacing human memory with technology would make everyone dumber
if you're this much of a luddite how do you even use the internet.
As for the music comparison, I play instruments because I enjoy it for myself. It's totally possible that AI could write music much better than I could, and if I found that music interesting I would also appreciate it. You should be more open minded.

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>>35505925
"AI" is unprecedented technology. There really hasn't been any other invention in human history where its proponents have come right out and said "yeah we intend to use this to completely replace humans wherever possible".

>if you're this much of a luddite how do you even use the internet.
"Luddite" is not an insult, it's a compliment in my book.
And, you're right, it's abundantly clear that the internet (specifically since the rise of smartphones and social media) has had a catastrophic impact on human civilization. Worse mental health, more political extremism, people becoming more bitter and resentful of each other. Surely if you are on the /lgbt/ board you should know this. Don't you think animosity towards your group has increased significantly because of the effects of social media echo chambers and neverending online arguments?

After the last 20 years we've had, the last thing humanity needs right now is "more technology".

>You should be more open minded.
No, I'll go to my grave fighting this shit with every last bone in my body. And I'll stand alongside anyone of any sexuality or gender who agrees with me. My opinions ain't changing, sorry pal.

>>35506029
>"AI" is unprecedented technology. There really hasn't been any other invention in human history where its proponents have come right out and said "yeah we intend to use this to completely replace humans wherever possible".
and yet many other technologies like the printing press have done so, and in my opinion to great benefit for the world.

>>35506046
>you vill consume ze aislop

>>35506046
So you're just anti-human then. I can't reason with people like you.

>>35506029
>There really hasn't been any other invention in human history where its proponents have come right out and said "yeah we intend to use this to completely replace humans wherever possible".
mcormick mechanical reaper

>>35506080
from my perspective, mass production of books is pro-human even if you use a robot to do it.

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>>35506046
>>35506083
>>35506106
You all missed the point where I said "wherever possible".
AI shit is so out of hand they're even trying to develop AI that will play your video games for you.
This isn't just tech designed to automate a few monotonous things that people hate doing, it's meant to automate EVERYTHING, including things (You) personally like.

>>35506142
this looks like an optional feature for a product I will never own
you might as well say I won't be able to read books or watch movies in the future because AI will do it for me. It's nonsense.

>>35505925
>replacing human memory with technology would make everyone dumber

Self-owned with that statement.

>>35506408
T. has never read a book, a savant genius

>>35505217
I despise AI
t. ransbian

>>35506516
Too many of your kind work as programmers and other gay jobs for big tech companies.

Good job on being one of the ones with an actual soul who doesn't bow down to machines.

>>35505217
What does this have to do with anything lgbt?

>>35506635
I am asking, out of genuine curiosity, why I see many transgender individuals supporting the technology which is popularly known as "AI".

>>35506651
...because plenty of other people in all demographics do as well?
I fail to see how theres a statistically significant group of anyone lgbt into it.

I have been blocked by most trannies for defending AI. I want AI to take over because I want to see the end of normalcy and I'm impatient.

>>35506651
where have you seen this? It's not my experience.

>>35506671
>I fail to see how theres a statistically significant group of anyone lgbt into it.
Are you unaware of the stereotype of MTF transgenders being nerdy programmer types who are obsessed with le heckin epic sci-fi transhumanist fantasies?

I want to understand this phenomenon and why it happens and, ideally, lead your people away from it.

>>35506673
>I have been blocked by most trannies for defending AI.
Good, sounds like they were of strong moral character.

>>35506722
Touch grass

>>35506738
You first.

>>35506142
when a new technology comes out *everyone* commissions pioneer studies to see if it can apply to them. sometimes it can, 99% of the time it can't. to feel like they haven't wasted money, they might follow a faulty wire until they reach the dead end. Sony "autoplay", ai art and lots of things in between will all fade.

>but they're filing patents!
look up a random patent right now and read how insane it is. people rush to file patents on any idea they think *could* go somewhere.

All that said, there is going to be an insane amount of damage done by AI. that damage won't come from the technology itself, they'll come from it's misuse under capitalism.

>>35506651
trannies are one of the loudest groups against ai, especially ai art.

in all seriousness, most trans people hate AI

I like it myself though

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>>35507049
>trannies are one of the loudest groups against ai, especially ai art.

>>35505594
>I think a moral panic can be said to have truly begun when those caught up in it can no longer tell when their imagined opponents are joking.
also when a joke spreads like wildfire for years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litter_boxes_in_schools_hoax

>>35507049
>that damage won't come from the technology itself, they'll come from it's misuse under capitalism.
Foolish take. "AI" wouldn't be any better under a non-capitalist system if people still held the same malicious intentions of using it to replace human skills, talents, and real connection between human beings. I've seen plenty of commies who are equally repugnant in their attitudes regarding AI, except instead of saying "we must replace everyone with AI because its easier and cheaper than using humans" it's "we must replace everyone with AI because it's technological progress, and that's always good".

>>35506722
Are you unaware of the stereotype of trannies being communist artists who categorically despise AI even when there's no real reason to? See, I could spin the exact fucking opposite conclusion out of what's my own majority experience. Get a grip, your subjective algorithmically-fed little slice of reality isn't the whole, most people hardly think about AI including trannies anyways, like I've never had a conversation about AI IRL except maybe in passing.

>>35507175
>Are you unaware of the stereotype of trannies being communist artists who categorically despise AI even when there's no real reason to?
That's just what shills on 4chan believe, but I've seen very little to back it up IRL.

I mean look at the corpos who are pushing AI the heaviest. The likes of Microsoft and Google are not exactly renowned for being "transphobic" are they? In fact, quite the opposite.

>even when there's no real reason to?
Oh ok you're just a shill yourself. Nevermind.

>>35507142
its only under capitalism that there is a *motive* to "replace human skills, talents and real connections". someone with malicious intentions could do that under any system, but they'd have no motive.

>>35507213
>someone with malicious intentions could do that under any system, but they'd have no motive.
You do not need to be a capitalist to be a "techno-optimist".

>>35507197
Shills on 4chan??? I'm literally talking about my experience with my own friend group the fuck are you on about me being a 'shill'. Who tf am I even shilling for i don't care about ai

>>35507235
that's not a motive, that's a philosophy. most peoples philosophies only inform their actions, not dictate them.

>>35506722
>Good, sounds like they were of strong moral character.

would this be the same moral ape philosophy that calls trans women groomer pedophile AGP fetishists? or the one Elon Musk calls extintionists?
make your case about why AI is immoral because I'm fairly disassociated from the immediate concerns of our species.

>>35505217
The West is falling, China, Russia, and Arabia, there is the future, we should worry more about being accepted in their culture, while we still exist.

>>35507279
>would this be the same moral ape philosophy that calls trans women groomer pedophile AGP fetishists? or the one Elon Musk calls extintionists?
Nigga what the fuck are you talking about. Why would transgenders who blocked you on twitter believe that they themselves are "groomers"?

>make your case about why AI is immoral
Already did that.

>because I'm fairly disassociated from the immediate concerns of our species.
I don't have time to convince anti-human ideologues why your beliefs are immoral and abhorrent.

>>35507298
Not happening lmao, if anything all the countries/regions you spoke of are becoming more anti-transgender.

You'll have to put up with the west because we're the best option you've got, sweaty.

My only gripes with AI is how it can utilize the works of others without permission, likely kills off or harms a group already known for being broke(artists) such as porn being much more accessible and mass produced without having to pay an artist for a specific idea, and probably reduces the skill ceiling for art potentially rendering it to become a much more meaningless activity when one may be rewarded for less work, or people finding their efforts, or the lowered bar less fulfilling. Then again, it's not likely the fulfilled crowd will be using it. I'm cool with it being used to speed up some processes as long as their own art, or the art of someone your working with is utilized.

I also feel you begin to lose the ability to say you made something the more you utilize ai, but that's just me.
Ik it's unrelated and just my opinions, but I think the discussions are always interesting.

>>35507359
Generative AI would still be a negative even if it somehow used 100% consenting artists/writers work. The idea of a future where humans forget the ability to create things themselves, because they became so used to using computers to instantly generate things, is disgusting, no matter where the generators pull their material from.

>>35507396
Regarding ai I'm personally way more worried about the mass disinformation or misinformation. To me that's actually somewhat scary to think about.

>>35507305
>I don't have time to convince anti-human ideologues why your beliefs are immoral and abhorrent.

Let's say someone copies an AI image by hand. It takes them 24 hours
Another person imagines an image and then asks an AI to make it. It takes ten seconds.

Who would you say is more human?

>>35507448
Yes, that's a huge issue, and strangely enough almost nobody is talking about it.

Imagine when any retard with a capable enough device will be able to just load up an AI video generator and produce convincing fake footage of whatever they want, near-instantly.

Social media will be overloaded with fake videos of Biden groping kids next to Jeffrey Epstein, or Trump doing Hitler salutes, and 99% of normalfags will assume they're real because "they look real!!!"

That's not even getting into the potential for personal life ruination, eg. someone targetting an individual and producing AI deepfakes of them doing something heinous, then spreading it with the intent to destroy their life.

I don't think people will realize how bad this shit is going to get until they see it happen with their own eyes.

>>35507482
The former, it's not even a debate IMO.

>>35507502
So what are you measuring that makes that person more human? Their labour, time, effort, blood, sweat... sacrifice?
Humans really love sacrifice. Perhaps post-human then is a better definition than transhuman. A world without sacrifice.

>>35507615
>So what are you measuring that makes that person more human? Their labour, time, effort, blood, sweat... sacrifice?
It's more to do with the fact that a machine can never copy exactly what is inside someone's head, it will only ever be an approximation, thus, it will only ever be the work of the machine.

The human process of creating something by hand is also important. And while copying an AI piece isn't great, it's an interesting experiment to see if AI art can be re-made by hand to look "more human".

>Humans really love sacrifice. Perhaps post-human then is a better definition than transhuman. A world without sacrifice.
You sound like an anime villain. Wtf is wrong with you

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>Raiders are so bad at being transphobic they have to rely on the lowest form of bait possible, AI

/qa/ lost forever OP. sorry!~

>>35507674
In what way is this thread "transphobic"? Weird post.

>>35507690
Do you not have many IRL friends anon? is that why you make threads like these?

>>35507696
I'm genuinely curious what was posted in this thread that you thought was transphobic. I don't have any problem with transgender people.

>>35507482
>>35507502
I'm pro ai but agree with them here, let me put my own point forward.

Remove ai completely from the equation here, let's instead imagine a technology that scans your brain. It can quite literally project your imagine artwork into a jpeg to share at your leisure.

Now let's imagine an artist who has an imagined oil painting. They are blindfolded and someone does the mechanistic parts of the scanning process for them. They don't look at the jpeg.

After this, they proceed with their vision and create the artwork in the material world. First they do a sketch, then they do an underpainting, finally they paint. After 24 hours the work is complete.

What we are left with are 2 drastically different pieces. They aren't completely foreign to each other, some objects are in similar places, the colours vaguely align with each other, but during the process of creation the artist constantly adapted to the work they were creating, changing it minutely every time.

Imagination is... for lack of a better term "boneless". The bones of an oil painting are the sketch, the muscles are the underpainting, then the skin is the final painting. These bones are't appreciated in viewing, but only because they aren't visible. They still support the finished work. To transfer from imagination to material is to create a "boneless" piece, that piece is inherently less human, just as a person with no bones would be less human.

Art is not created in the imagination. Art is art because of the process of creation that it definitionally has. Imagination is an optional step.


>If what I was saying wasn't true, then we wouldn't have artists with aphantasia btw.

>>35507864
>Remove ai completely from the equation here, let's instead imagine a technology that scans your brain. It can quite literally project your imagine artwork into a jpeg to share at your leisure.
I'm not sure such a technology will ever exist, but if it did, we are categorically FUCKED because that means we will also be subjected to mind-reading technology. Thought crimes will become unironically real.

>>35507923
I'm not saying it has to exist, I'm just removing ai from the hypothetical to talk about the philosophy more directly. This technology implies (as opposed to ai) includes no translation layer.

>>35507864
So I'll explain where I was going with what I said. The point of my thought experiment is to weed out what I believe is motivating most humans. I think people value sacrificial acts and create altars around those things. This is because our evolutionary history is loaded with energy scarcity and so meaning arises from how we choose to spend/waste that energy. Like making someone a birthday card, because you placed energy in its creation its more value than paying for a cheap card. Though an expensive card might rival your creation. Societies all run on this sort of thing.
But we have lost the origins of it and think it should exist perpetually. And even if it did somehow, and we preserved this part that makes us human, we would eventually evolve into different animals anyway through sheer natural selection. Post-humanism is actually fairly conservative in that way. It just has less thermodynamic induced meaning.
This is what I believe, you can tear it to pieces because I'd be fine being convinced out of what I came up with in the lurks of my mind.

>>35505217
In the mid 1900's this sort of tech was talked about as automating mundane labor so that humans can focus on the things that matter like the humanities. Now AI is replacing the humanities and reducing people to a shitty mundane existence, but that's OK because AI makes funny memes and limiting tech advancement in the interest of humanity is scary and bad for the economy.

>>35508079
I personally value time far more than energy in these kinds of matters. A time investment is worth more value because there is only so much in your life. I'm all for elimination of energy intensive tasks. I also don't believe that we are going to evolve into something beyond human, technology has replaced evolution.

>Evolution is essentially a naturally occurring brute-force algorithm, everything is tested but only success is rewarded. But we have rejected that with our abhorrence of fascism. We save every baby we can, millions of occurrences that would have been miscarriages even 50 years ago are now irrelevant. Those people will now go on to live long and meaningful lives. Phrased another way, we broke the algorithm.

>Therefore all our progress will be based on our modern definition of ascension, technological advancements.

Anyways we are probably both a little right, the saying tends to go "time and energy".

>>35508995
In our world I don't think those are really separable.
Regarding evolution, if Hitler had won and the eugenics program continued I still think we would get to the same stage. Super intelligent nazis would end up building smarter and smarter machines. I can't imagine a group of super intelligent humans being too attached to being apes.

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>>35505539
>coming out as an ai artist
if you cant see how bait this is, you need to stop using this website unironically

>>35505658
I use ai and then trace over the results and make it into my own style, any dedicated under would do the same

omg haha the retard fell for the #breakthepencil bait

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i enjoy toying with it sometimes

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ai can be based

>>35505217
i never considered that AI would become woke by just defining anything human as oppressive

>>35506142
>Sony Patents Botnet made by someone else for runescape wow, dransik and other games

No

>>35511522
There is quite literally nothing wrong with being a "luddite".

Modern technology has objectively made human society much, much worse than it was in the past.

Old 4chan used to understand this. People on this site used to be extremely against smartphones and social media and would point out constantly how they had rotted the brains of normalfags and destroyed the social fabric. Nu-4chan would probably say "iPhones are based" or something because umm, they let them fap to hentai easier or something?

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>>35513362
>There is quite literally nothing wrong with being a "luddite"

then enjoy dying out seething like your predecessors did

>>35506029
>"Luddite" is not an insult, it's a compliment in my book.

Then you are a fucking moron. Whether you like it or not, scientific and technological advancement is inevitable and part of human nature. We should find ways to integrate it instead of avoiding it or trying to hamper it (impossible).
>hurr durr i wanna live in a cave return to monke
God I hate tradlarpers so fucking much.

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>>35505217
only degen porn artists and their friends hate AI becuase no one is going to pay a fuckload of money for commissions anymore as AI advances

>>35513795
I'd rather die free than "live" as a slave.

>>35513828
>scientific and technological advancement is inevitable and part of human nature.
So you think its "human nature" to develop (and force the usage of) a technology which is designed to make humans obsolete? You sound deluded.

>God I hate tradlarpers so fucking much.
It's now "trad" to think that humans should do things themselves rather than outsourcing 100% of their brain functions to machines?

>>35513843
Funny you say that considering 99% of AI shills just use it to generate endless reams of disgusting porn and fetish shit.