>>35514052Legit haven't heard about her in years she must be dropping in numbers to say shit like this
>>35514052>jerking itUh, so is she a dude?
>here's your 22 year old artist bro
>>35514063She just did a duet at coachella with lana del ray
>>35514052yet another point for the “normative female sexuality” camp
>>35514073Forgot pic
>>35514065girls love to jerk off grow up
>>35514083Damn I'm looking younger at 24. Tranny youthfulness effect keeps on winning.
>>35514077if you ever doubted this you really need to see what they're posting on twitter and stuff
>>35514052>>35514077>yet another point for the “normative female sexuality” campYup... Kind of drives me insane with the double standards. I seriously think passing meta-attracted AGP trans girls are the closest to being cis women and the reason why HSTS are tolerated is because they have an outwardly directed sexuality that's abnormal for women so they're seen more as eunuch gay pets than as being uncannily close to women
>>35514083she’s my age she looks like any of my cis friends. do you think she should look like a child?
Let the transvestigations begin!
>>35514084No. Girls hate sex and have no libido. To be a real woman you can't have any interest in sex.
>>35514098it should be self-evident to anyone who has ever been intimate with a cis woman
>>35514099thisit's just misogyny all the way down, and we should abolish bl*nchardism
>>35514099No. No. No! Unless you are taking HRT to nuke your libido, you are a perverted sex freak and faketrans.
>>35514083Literally just an adult woman
>>35514123>she doesn't know about prog
>>35514100I'm an alcoholic smoker and the same age and she looks terrible for 22 lol
>>35514132Prog only makes your horny if you are a faketrans fetishist. Real women don't get horny.
>>35514132you can’t tell that she’s joking? let her meme
>>35514052I feel like the last 10+ years of empowered feminism is just one GPT model trained on an equal mix of Cosmo and tumblr.
>>35514063>Legit haven't heard about her in years she must be dropping in numbers to say shit like thisI tell you she is big right now and the pussy wet.
>>35514160is there supposed to be anything “feminist” about this discussion (i really don’t know). because women can just talk about masturbating without it relating back to andrea dworkin or whatever
>>35514084it's not about whether she masturbates what kind of a girl says "jerking it"
>>35514292you people desperately need to leave the house and make friends with women. it’s not terminal but it’s going to be a long recovery
>>35514292I'm sorry the only girl you talk to is your mother
>>35514336I am a woman I wouldn't say jerking it I would say masturbating or if I wanted something more casual likely something less vulgar or not talk about it in public at alldoes anyone really need to know that I was jamming a dildo in my pussy last night?
>>35514355>does anyone really need to know that I was jamming a dildo in my pussy last night?Pics or it didn't happen
>>35514355okay i’m sorry i think i understand. middle class huh
>>35514355>>35514375to be less condescending, i’m working class and women in my income bracket are not afraid to be crass with each other. on the other hand, mores don’t apply to the wealthy like eilish. which leaves climbers to give a shit about being polite
>>35514131bitch an adult woman is like 18-100.This picture looks like 30+ , drugs and party really drag you down
>>35514052She's just doing this for men, not AGP.
>>35514052So cis women can be AGP confirmed. Glad that's settled.
>>35514052>>35514558N-NO BUT MY TERF NARRATIVE WOMEN ARE PERFECT PURE ANGELS WITH NO INTEREST IN SEXUAL THINGS AT ALL NOOOOOOOOOO
>>35514558this was never up for debate in the first place really>>35514577shocker that terf narratives around women are the same infantilising bullshit conservatives and fascists have been peddling for decades
She has also confessed to be a porn addict. So correlation between AGP and porn addiction is true.
>>35515685yeah but does porn addiction and AGP make a tranner less of a woman?
>>35515685>porn addictionnot a real thing
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>>35515799kek
>>35515708Yes because they're performing femininity. All AFABs are mentally transmen or at least enbies. Only pornsick one can "enjoy" it because they have fooled themselves to enjoy it. There's nothing enjoyable in this disgusting body and I've heard most "cis" women say similar type of shit about their bodies fellow pooners say."Womanhood" doesn't exist. There are only men cursed with deformed bodies that are only good as baby factories.
>>35514510claiming that a womans hobbies and tastes are just an attempt to "attract men" is peak misogyny
>>35515861AGP is misogyny, believing that women enjoy their own bodies is very malebrained and misogynistic, women enjoy themselves for men's enjoyment
>>35515826When I was egg I thought everybody else was vain for enjoying themselves. This feels similar ...
>>35515826From a biological perspective, men are deformed women, not the other way around.
>>35514052I say it a lot but I think a lot of cis women are AGP it just expresses itself in a less direct way because of how female sexuality. They've done studies of whether men and women look at the guy or girl in porn and they both look at the girl for example.>>35514099This 100%.
>>35514052woman moment
>>35515909Morphologically and chronologically maybe, but a lot of female features seem like addons attached to the underlying male frame. Like men are the base model and then a bunch of stuff is added on top to bear and support children.
>>35514052TERFs: troons are all "autogynephiles", they get in lingerie and jerk it to themselves in the mirror. It's a FETISHTroons: No that doesn't happen, autogynephilia is a complete myt-Billie Eilish, Kourtney Kardashian, articles in Cosmopolitan: I am a cis woman and I like to get in lingerie and jerk it to myself in the mirror.Let's call it a wash I think
>>35515888im sorry youre ugly and cant enjoy your body and cant separate your personhood from men
>>35516007rejecting AGP instead of embracing it was the worst decisive the trans community made
>>35516090you have to gatekeep embracing it a little otherwise you end up like reddit saying you don't need HRT to transition and that AGP is enough. It's fine and maybe even a good thing later in transition though
>>35516007Billie Eilish is just doing this for publicity stunt because of her new album. Just like her "bisexuality" larp. We all know she's a basic straight girl who fucks older men, just like all cis whores.
>>35515976I see it the exact opposite. Men have a female frame and tissue that has been modified by testosterone.
>>35514052It's not AGP because she's an actual woman, not a coomer using his sister's underwear as a jackoff aid.
>>35516206If that was true we wouldn't see men as default everything.
>>35516206I think you're actually right I'm just being unscientific
>>35515826idk thats how felt about being a guy before I transitioned. And projected that all guys thought being male was inferior and secretly seethed about it all the time. It was actually my galaxy brained explanations for homophobia, and misogyny and other negative male behaviors. Then in highschool I learned not every guy is an emotionally stunted barely coping repper. and trooned>>35516090>>35516007This I was actually curious one day and just googled "turned on by myself"/"turned on by wearing lingerie" without mentioning AGP or tranners. And a bunch of healthline articles about autosexuality in cis people of both genders popped up. But no somehow harmlessly getting a little turned on by ourselves as women makes us gross disgusting fetishists.
>>35514160my sides
>>35514052Assuming that AGP is indeed just normal female sexuality, would that not necessarily imply that HSTS do not exhibit normal female sexuality and therefore are not really women? Quoting Blanchard himself ->... History of fetishistic arousal was acknowledged by over 80% of the heterosexual males, compared to fewer than 10% of homosexual males.This finding has been confirmed numerous times, even in studies that are used by opponents of Blanchard's typology -https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32147311/>Significantly more exclusively gynephilic than androphilic trans women reported a history of sexual arousal in relation to cross-dressing.So what gives? Why would androphilic and gynephilic transwomen differ so much in their sexual patterns? Aren't they both women? Your post and the anons in this thread are making a subtle error -Eilish is describing an autosexual behavior, a phenomenon that is quite common with women.AGP is a form of a fetishistic autosexual pattern and yet the two phenomena are distinct and only appear similar as they are both a form of autosexuality.Certain people with an amputation fetish might dress themselves to look as if they are amputated and sexually gratify themselves as they admire their physical form in front of a mirror.We would not say that this sexual pattern is similar or the same as that of a normal female who is autosexual, we would merely recognize that they are both autosexual behaviors.AGP is not normal female sexuality, young girls don't masturbate wearing their mother's lingerie, adult women don't get sexually aroused when they are referred to by "Ma'am", they also don't get aroused when they sit down to pee.The efforts to portray AGP as normal female sexuality are understandable, if you can't deny the existence of AGP, the next logical step is to try to argue that women are also AGP.Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case.
>>35516442You can enjoy being transwoman because you will never have the parts that make female body a disgusting mutant.
>>35516732Stop using 'androphilic' and 'gynophilic' as synonyms for HSTS and AGP. Most AGP are bi and therefore androphilic.>AGP is not normal female sexuality, young girls don't masturbate wearing their mother's lingerie, adult women don't get sexually aroused when they are referred to by "Ma'am", they also don't get aroused when they sit down to pee.If any AGP trans woman isn't aroused by any of these things, is she not AGP then?
>>35516790>Stop using 'androphilic' and 'gynophilic' as synonyms for HSTS and AGP. Most AGP are bi and therefore androphilic.Replace "androphilic" with "strictly androphilic" and it works out just fine.
>>35516840Sure (I prefer 'exclusively' though), but it's an important distinction to make, especially when you consider the fact that most cis women aren't strictly androphilic.
>>35516732I'm not aroused by that stuff. Just sometimes get turned on if I wear a dress that makes my hips look really nice or just notice in the mirror Hey I like actually look like a hot girl today.>>35516743I mean yeah It is nice not having periods not sure what the other issues are. But saying women hate being women cause of periods is like saying all men hate being mentally because of hair loss.
>>35514193If a guy talked about how empowering it was to jack off in the mirror you would rightfully roll your eyes. I’m not saying it’s bad to do, but she is absolutely framing it in a pretentious way here.
>>35516229it's the same thing, but the latter is autogynephilia manifested in a sexually repressed AMAB, if biology played a trick on billie she would most likely do that
>>35516852>I'm not aroused by that stuff.It's possible that while you believe that to be the case, you'd actually show arousal if we measured things up.Either way, this sort of arousal is extremely common among transwomen (that are AGP).
>>35516910>>35516852Some transwomen claim that they had never been aroused by crossdressing and yet clearly show arousal when presented with crossdressing narratives
>>35516234My theory on that is because men are dominant so it became a social convention. Biologically it is the reverse.Male genitals have a scar running along them where the proto female genitals sealed up in the womb. If you look at the structure you can even see where the uterus flipped forward and ovaries turned into testes. The interior of the ball sack is actually part of the abdominal cavity. A dick is obviously an enlarged clit. The structure that would have become a vagina is undeveloped and enveloped by the prostate gland. Male breasts are undeveloped female breasts. The Male pelvis still has the baby birthing hole, it is just undeveloped. The male hairline is an eroded childhood hairline while the female hairline largely maintains the childhood hairline. Women are covered in hair, in men the hair thickens and lengthens to the point it becomes visible. All the same 'female' muscles are there, they just grow bigger in men. etc.
>>35516442>But no somehow harmlessly getting a little turned on by ourselves as women makes us gross disgusting fetishists.This is just catty gay men HSTSs. They are bratty and stir up trouble if they aren't constantly put into their place.
>>35516966>Some transwomen claim that they had never been aroused by crossdressing and yet clearly show arousal when presented with crossdressing narrativesThere is a subtle but very important difference between "I look hot as a woman"vs"I look like a woman"
>>35516732see >>35516903repression and dysphoria causes those behaviorsAGP just means self directed gynephilia, a woman masturbating is the mirror is autogynephilia bc she finds her female form hotIt just manifests differently
>>35516966You know what even if I did who cares. I no longer have crippling self loathing and disgust and seething envy when I take estrogen. Clearly transition was a plus. And like Its not like I only wanted to be a girl when I was turned on I wanted to be a girl all the time.
>>35517127>repression and dysphoria causes those behaviorsIf dysphoria causes AGP then homosexual MtF transsexuals (who are also dysphoric) would also cross dress at similar rates to non homosexual MtF transsexuals, but that is empirically not the case (see >>35516732 ) - HSTS rarely cross dress for sexual gratification.This obviously disproves your argument about dysphoria and repression causing AGP.The reverse is true, AGP causes dysphoria and repression.
>>35517147NTA I only wanted to be a girl when I was turned on.After talking HRT I realized I actually do want to be a girl all the time. I was carrying around tons of anxiety that I would be found out and that my elaborate system of suppressing female behaviors would fail. I was aware when I would get anxious about doing something feminine or not be able to perform as a male (I got emotionally hurt by banter every fucking time), but that was it. I didn't realize how deep it went.
>>35517180>AGP causes dysphoria and repression.AGP causes shame, shame causes repression(I agree with you, just wanted to clarify because society carries the blame for the shame)
>>35517180it doesn't because people aren't just black and white
If autogynephilia is a regular female behavior, why are there so many men who experience it without having gender dysphoria, as well? And why would there be so many trannies that don't experience autogynephilia at all? I feel like I might be very stupid but this doesn't logically line up to me. I can believe that women engage in autosexual behaviors but I don't think I've ever heard one say she was aroused at the idea of being seen as a woman, which is essentially what your average autogynephile experiences. Someone explain to me like I'm five. From the outside in this appears to basically just be desperate grasping to not look like a weird pervert
>>35517037>Male genitals have a scar running along them where the proto female genitals sealed up in the womb. If you look at the structure you can even see where the uterus flipped forward and ovaries turned into testes. The interior of the ball sack is actually part of the abdominal cavity. A dick is obviously an enlarged clit. The structure that would have become a vagina is undeveloped and enveloped by the prostate gland. That's really interesting. I thought it was interesting too how that seam darkens when mtfs take estrogen. I think the body tries to do a natal development or puberty thing it no longer can because of the way the seam closed and isn't made out of fetal cells anymore.
>>35517217bc its just a sexual behavior that doesn't make anyone less or more of a womansome women are exclusively aapsome men are exclusively aapsome men are agp and some women are agpbut people use agp as an excuse to call dysphoric mtfs as fetishists
>>35514052>bunch of threads about cis women having AGP posted at the same time by a BLACKED discord raid
>>35517214>it doesn't because people aren't just black and whiteThat anon claimed AGP is caused by dysphoria, but there is a large group of transwomen who are dysphoric and aren't AGP (HSTS), therefore, AGP is obviously not caused by dysphoria.>>35517147Medically transitioning as an AGP is a valid option that makes sense for some people, there is no shame in that, AGPs aren't less ""trans"".
>>35517250I claimed those manifestations of AGP in individuals predisposed to AGP are cause by dysphoria, not that AGP is cause by dysphoria
>>35517250>AGP is obviously not caused by dysphoria.Furthermore, AGP precedes dysphoria in almost all cases so it most definitely can't be caused by dysphoria.
>>35517275caused*idk what happened to my d
>>35517233How could a woman be an autogynephile though? Like how could they develop a fetishistic desire for something they already are? What is there to fantasize about? Like it feels like intentionally misrepresenting something. My girlfriend feels sexy in lingerie, and gets horny when I tell her she looks sexy, but she doesn't wear lingerie under her clothes outside to feel like a woman, like an AGP would, she doesn't get aroused by me referring to her as a woman, she doesn't get aroused by really anything that would indicate that it is being female that turns her on. I think women just are aroused at the idea of being pretty and desirable, and I'm not sure what that counts as. Autosexuality is probably a term but I can't help but think a man imagining himself as a woman is probably markedly different.
>>35517275>those manifestations of AGP in individuals predisposed to AGP are caused by dysphoriaNot sure what is the meaningful difference between "manifestations of AGP" and AGP lol.Either way, the manifestations of AGP mostly precede dysphoria (see >>35517278).
>>35517305by being lesbian or bissexual? if she gets off to the female form why wouldn't her own be satisfying to her too?it's same reason why straight women and gay men exhibit autoandrophilia
>>35517327She is attracted to men. I am a cisgendered man with a relatively masculine build and beard. She doesn't ever get horny at the idea of being a woman, is my point. She gets horny when she feels sexy. But she doesn't get horny when she puts a tampon in. Do you get what I mean?
>>35517225When you start out, your body/mind has a high degree of plasticity as you age you become more and more specialized. What we call developmental windows are simply periods of time before areas of the body become fixed. As a fully grown adult, most developmental areas are switched off. But the ones that remain, or the areas of the body that regenerate are subject to the influence of hormones. So that seem can't develop into a vulva, but as it regenerates itself it will generate cells that are similar or identical to vulva cells.
>>35517337I get it, but can you read?
>>35517233One of the things that defines what a woman is to people is their style of sexual behavior.
>>35517345If you're just gonna start trying to call me stupid, I will go ahead and assume what I'm saying is causing some kind of cognitive dissonance and inducing anger, for which I am sorry and I don't want to happen. Can you explain to me how that is the same thing as a man masturbating to the thought of being viewed as a woman?
>>35517343This is fundamentally untrue. There are some areas where this occurs in women's bodies specifically with testosterone. The uterus will begin to transform into prostate cells, for example. But estrogen works fundamentally differently, and doesn't have the same altering effects. Probably related to the way we are all born as foeti as mentioned here >>35517037
>>35517337>She gets horny when she feels sexyI think you and that other anon are in agreement...
>>35516442>It was actually my galaxy brained explanations for homophobia, and misogyny and other negative male behaviors.its correct explanation, except its deeeply shoved under surface of consciousness. other reasons are effects if androgens in mind and the fact that men are soldier ants of our species. societies with meek effeminate men always sooner or later got conquered by hypermasculine chud society. this is why toxic masculinity is so strongly enforced. cultures/societes need(ed) warrior worker drones to survive. these times are over now tganks to technology. just have nuclear weapon and fuckton of drones.>>35517199>I was aware when I would get anxious about doing something feminine or not be able to perform as a maleinternalizing it is root od denial (psychological repression). fear of hellfire cements it if present.
>>35517393Feeling sexy is different from feeling like a girl, is my point. If AGPs were only aroused specifically by being sexy, they would probably just go lift weights and be a sexy man. But they are not. They are aroused at the idea of being a woman, being sexy is secondary to this. Aforementioned gf for example isn't aroused when I tell her that she has a womb, but she is aroused by me saying I want to impregnate her. Because the womb isn't what arouses her. It's what I want to do to it.
>>35517363no one is masturbating to the thought of being viewed as a woman, no one talked about masturbating to the thought of being viewed as a woman in this thread, this is not agp
>>35517433Are you the same guy as before or like a random schizo troon? Because same typing style but you're kinda saying nonsense
>>35517424you're an actual braindead moiddid you ever heard of AAP in your lifewhat are you even doing here if you don't have a single clue of those terms
>>35517468Logically, the only AAPs that exist are female, so I'm not 100% certain why you are mentioning that and not addressing anything I'm saying. They aren't relevant.Also, Do you want me to start calling you a stupid cross dressing faggot? I feel like you're using mean words and it's not helpful
>>35517454>>35517501I feel sorry for your gf and I hope you die horribly in agony
>>35517395>internalizing it is root od denial (psychological repression). fear of hellfire cements it if present.YeeeepI got the absolute shit teased and bullied out of me for the entirety of school because I was poor in the rich kids district. I was afraid of receiving the worst version I could imagine of that. Part of the reason I repressed for so long was I saw I had a psychological need to be secure and strong enough to deal with whatever might get thrown at me prior to publicly flying my freak flag. It fucking hurts seeing the youngshits that don't have to deal with any of this.
>>35517520I'll think of this comment when my dick is in a biological woman tonight
>>35514052He will never be a woman
>>35517501hmm yes I defined AGP to a priori exclude cis women and AAP to exclude cis men, therefore cis getting turned on by themselves having sex specifically as a female/male isn't AGP/AAP. Checkmate trannies.
>>35514099>Kind of drives me insane with the double standards.double standards is the entire point. the whole point if blanchard making up agp is that he believed being trans is not a real thing, so normal female sexuality is normal in women but if someone born with a penis has the same desires he must be a fetishistic sex freak.
>>35517627what is even that dude with a cisgf is doing on /lgbt/it's 100% one of those gymcel repping homo types
>>35517627I'm basically trying to explain how women's sexuality works to a male virgin. And failing miserably>>35517730I think my favorite thing comedy wise gays/trannies do to cope is claim that everyone who doesn't like them is secretly a fag
>>35517766>I'm basically trying to explain how women's sexuality works to a male virgin. And failing miserablyAnd Eilish is trying to explain to you how her (in her case AGP) cis women's sexuality works, silly.
>>35515799Kek x 2
>>35515799t. watches wife get blacked
>>35517057Also what TERFtards believe. Then again they also think HSTS are GNC grooming victims. So they'd come up with something no matter what I guess.>>35517278Weird I had dysphoria before I had any sort of anything related to AGP. And also any AGP type feelings I have had are way lower in intensity than the complete body horror despair but of dysphoria. And I never did the wearing sexy underwear under my clothes thing. I just wear basic boy short underwear and a sports bra. It's just than when I was a baby trans and first put on a dress that made my hips look curvy and stuff I felt a bit of AGP but more so just happy that I succeeded and looked cute.
