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>>35536384
>Nazis, discuss
That's how you sound OP

>>35536384
>>>/pol/

>>35536409
Plenty of trans are nazis, and plenty of nazis were transvestites.
So what?

>>35536435
Its not uncommon for closet fags to act extremely homophobic to hide the fact they gay asf

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>>35536435
There was also Jews and Slavs in the SS

>>35536474
thats what a trans woman is

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>>35536495
thats what a closet trans woman is. the /pol/cel to trans pipeline is real

>>35536384
Terfs are wrong on the recent trans spike.
-You see a spike in transitioning today because women have the carte blanche to engage in the most degenerate sexual fantasies. Because women's sexuality is seen as good and moral vs the icky objectifying sexuality of men. Most of the porn/erotica women consume is more violent and objectifying compared to porn for men. This constant exposure to fetish content makes these women develop autoandrophilia.
-Women's online spaces prize being the underdog/the victim of society. You see this in tumblr and real life. Women will claim to have mental illnesses and claim to be fictional characters for clout so claiming to be non-binary is not a big stretch.
-You see a spike in Men/boys transitioning because from a legal perspective women have more rights. Women get less time for the same crime compared to men. Crimes committed by women get systematically under reported. Women have diversity hiring and easier access to welfare. In most countries women can't rape/assault men and even in countries were it is the case it's taken less seriously. Men's sexuality is seen as objectifying and inherently rapey. So there is every incentive to transition as a man.
-If you believe in "Sexual Orientation" then believing in "Gender Identity" is not a stretch. "Sexual Orientation" is the idea that people have a fixed attraction that is genetic and unchanging which is an integral part of a person's identity. "Gender Identity" is the idea that people have a fixed Gender(Which can be Expression, bodily mental image, personality, etc.. ) that is genetic and unchanging which is an integral part of a person's identity. Both of these concepts have the core underlying assumption that there is a soul-like property to humans.

>>35536516
no, thats what all trans women are
they think gay thoughts are gross so they castrate themselves and say loud homophobic things to impress other closeted gay men

>>35536474
It's also not uncommon for gay men to tell themselves they're not gay because they only have sex with femboys/transwomen who have dicks
so what?

>>35536535
then why were they ever grouped up in the LGBT in the first place? how does that even make sense

>>35536557
>why are self hating queers grouped with the other queers
a mystery my dude

>>35536569
plenty of trans are trans for money too

>>35536384
this is definitely me when i go to the estrogen machine and get my estrogen mmmm yummy

>>35536675
>03:33:33

MWAHAHAHAHAH I'M SATAN FEAR

>>35536675
this board thinks any guy who does gay4pay porn is bi, and and gay guy who dates a woman and has sex with her is bi too, so that's not really a counter-example

>>35536384
What does this mean ? What is it referring to?

>>35536384
Mogs me and is less of a fetishist than me, I look like a ghoul and I masturbate to myself in the mirror, I'll probably commit some federal crimes

>>35536523
That's more depht than I ever anticipated from chan
but I do think terfs agree at least about men transitioning to get lighter sentences

>>35536715
terves believes trans women are reducing womanhood to a commodity that can be bought and sold out of a vending machine, whereas real women can give birth, and taking estrogen doesn't enable men to give birth.

>>35536569
youre acting like "LGBT" was founded by something other than LGBT people. did the gays back then just not know? are you enlightned? gincel may never leave this board man

>>35536535
Says the closeted /pol/cel trying to "own the libs."

>>35536835
there are no "libs" on 4chan
only teenagers who try to own the cels

>>35536858
>Says the closeted /pol/cel trying to "own the libs."

>>35536799
Isn’t that just reducing womanhood to being a breeding sow? How is that better?

>>35536384
i wanna marry terf, omg how bad i want it...

>>35536384
I don't even understand what this comic is supposed to say

>>35536962
that trans women are men who view womanhood as a commodity they can buy

>>35536978
huh, cool. that's dumb

>>35536984
the basic terf objection to trans women as a concept is that it's misogynistic by equating castration and being taken down a peg as a man, with being a woman. Like women are just men who've been weakened and neutered instead of having their own identity and positive attributes

>>35536962
it says the trans euphoria is an empty one when the trans woman realizes they can't ever be a woman

>>35536995
that just sounds like internalized misogyny on behalf of the terfs.

the irony is trans women are just as impacted by misogyny as cis women (if not even more so, because misogynists view us as mentally ill for wanting to be an "inferior" gender)

>>35536799
i thought he was gonna murder them out of jealousy or something

>>35536995
why do they think taking estrogen is equivalent to being taken down a peg?

>>35537062
because it physically weakens you and trans women view this weakening as an essential element of womanhood
i.e. trans women can use female spaces because they are weakened men and thus less of a risk to women who are naked and vulnerable changing and peeing, and less of an advantage to compete in womens sports

trannyism is just equating castration to changing sex

>>35537075
>trans women view this weakening as an essential element of womanhood

[citation needed]

>>35536550
no it's just bishits

>>35537111
you believe you need to take hrt to be trans?
hrt physically weakens you as a trans woman, because trans women are weakened enough to use female spaces and play womens sports without posing a threat or unfair advantage
the goal of taking hrt is to physically weaken yourself so you are not stronger than women are
if you were still as strong as a man, you wouldn't be safe to be with women who are naked

>>35537056
yeah ok, trans woman are not impacted by misogyny. they are impacted by homophobia.
trans women know nothing of misogyny

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>>35537075
I dont think there is such a thing as an essential element of womanhood though. there is no one "womanly" experience, something that is normal in another culture will seem ridiculous to ours. the average woman might never go to the gym, yet you will still always find examples of picrel. the only sound stance is that it's all relative.

t. ranny

>>35537139
>the goal of taking hrt is to physically weaken yourself so you are not stronger than women are
no retard, the goal of hrt is to take female hormones to make yourself appear more female, or to take male hormones to make yourself appear more male

>>35537178
can you be trans without taking hrt, and without wanting to ever take hrt?

>>35537139
>>35537205
you are both stupid hrt alleviates dysphoria it's like taking something to make you feel less seasick, it's not just bodymodding

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>>35537212
sure. I wouldn't be able to relate to you, but im not about to try and project my experiences over you.

>>35537212
trans in an umbrella so yes, there are different kinds of trans people you should probably pick a subset and ask about that

>>35537244
You could not take hrt and still um not grow a beard, just saying.

>>35537139

> hrt physically weakens you as a trans woman

maybe, but that's not the goal

> the goal of taking hrt is to physically weaken yourself

it is not

>>35537265
she is cis nona

terfs unable to understand trans people might do things for the internal therapeutic element

>>35537178
yes there are
how can you say there aren't when you are not a woman?
btw, you'll never know what those are

>>35537301
name the essential woman moments that all woman and only women have you platonist freak

>>35537291
tras are unable to understand tras should get their self-perception checked, not their body
but then, where would be the onlyfan money in that

>>35537323
you will never know and that makes you crazy

>>35537301
so you do believe that there are "essential elements of womanhood"? do you maybe agree with this anon, >>35537139 and think that being physically weaker is one such feature. understand that this is just rebranded sexism, you have been memed into accepting one of the most anti-feminist ideas by right-wingers with a precious scapegoat.

there are "universal experiences", but those are both a) cultural and b) open to admittedly rare exceptions.

>>35537337
yes you're right we should alter the brain, the bit that is a person, instead of altering the body, which is an extremity, that makes sense totally

>>35537349
>I admit defeat
ok
if we were men we'd surely know about the male essential experience but look at that we don't because platonism isn't real

>>35536384
To some extent , I'd say they are based women preventing the mockery of their gender.
>>35537349
There's a visual guide to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77rRP_Sk3JI

>>35537422
gaussian function for both men and women that overlap considerably

>>35537515
just think about two bell curves that overlap, there isn't really a male or female pattern, there's just a small difference in some averages like grey matter, and trans women on average are more towards the female average, but again because there's such overlap you can't gender somebody from a brain unless they had some really extreme form of brain
it's a bit like height, you can't tell gender from height because of the overlap but the averages are different

>>35537515
not that anon. trans women don't need to be closer to female patterns because these are just averages. however: if the idea that transsexuality is innate is true, we might expect certain parts of the brain that deal with self-perception to be sex incongruent, there is evidence that this is the case.
https://sci-hub.ru/https://doi.org/10.1007/s11682-016-9578-6

>>35537649
I don't think we know enough about the brain, I can testify like most trans people that getting on hrt improved my ability to just function normally a great deal though

>there is also evidence you want this to be true because it confirms your internal biases
nta but personally I would prefer it if there was a way I could have just remained cis so my bias is towards there being no physiological cause and it being something you could treat without transition, there's just so much evidence the other way unfortunately, being trans is hell I would prefer not to be

>>35537696
why do you think it's bad for me? I feel much better, you have no idea how miserable I was before hrt, and whom do you think I'm trying to make happy? I'm pretty sure I haven't made anybody happy or earned any validation, idk why you'd think that. I would have preferred to be a cis guy it would be so much better.

>>35537649
I would transition regardless of what the brain studies said, it's nice that they validate me though.

>>35537730
Do you realize how much more the average trans person enjoys their body and sexuality after HRT? Why do you think this board is full of hornyposting?

>>35537730
it has made me physically weaker sure but I wasn't really using that strength, there's a lot of benefits in terms of health for being on hrt too idk if you know about that, what enjoyment do you think I'm being deprived of? I don't know what you mean there, I prefer my body now

>>35537821
I could injure myself in a fall whether I take hrt or don't, I was anorexic before I started hrt so I'd probably do more damage to myself before as well

>>35537821
do you think women just trip and die sometimes?

I think I'm too autistic to understand the punchline of most conservative comedy.

>>35537855
you didn't answer the question, do you think women just trip and die sometimes?

>>35537821
>posts made by a guy who think women can't ride trains because if they go too fast their wombs will fall out

>>35537855
this is some weird muscular eugenics thing

>>35537870
if women had to singlehandedly design, manufacture, and drive trains all by themselves, as well as maintain the rail networks, would we still have a functioning train system?

>>35537872
that's the true goal of transgenderism - to weaken males seen as a predatory threat
neutralization

>>35537626
1)trans women average would have to be closer to female pattern, which isn't the case

2) the study you link doesn't demonstrate "sex incongruent" -- it only shows that gd may be expressed neurobiologically

trans are such fucking liars

>>35538060
>the true goal of transgenderism
err no, there is no such thing as transgenderism, there's no ideology here, it's a medical condition, and it affects a tiny minority of people, hrt would be a terrible way to "neutralise" predators too because almost all predators don't rely on physical strength, most rape and abuse comes from people that the victim knows, plus guns and knives exist, idk where you're getting this but it sounds like a conspiracy theory

>>35537626
why is it that trans women are such fucking liar?

>>35538100
there is no "female pattern" that's not how brains work
gd is sex incongruence

>>35536384
>women are baby factories
self-own t b h

>>35538135
"pattern" is your own words
averages of grey matter for example should be the same between women and trans women

GD or sex incongruence being expressed at the neurological level doesn't not prove that it's "transsexuality is innate"

ptsd modify neurological functionning too, but that doesn't prove ptsd is "innate"

why are trans such fucking liar?

>>35538150
I don't really understand what you're saying here, I said it's a medical condition, I don't think it is or isn't ethical to have it, it's just something some people have that you treat with therapies, you don't need to be treated for anything if you're gay, what do you think are the parallels? being gay isn't suffering, having dysphoria is though, they're just not the same kind of thing

>>35538198
>why are trans such fucking liar?
why are you so ESL

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>>35538100
>>35538133
>1)trans women average would have to be closer to female pattern, which isn't the case
by this logic a woman with a masculine brain pattern is secretly a man. this is ignoring the part where your claim is partially false, but you're not citing so that doesn't matter.

>2) the study you link doesn't demonstrate "sex incongruent" -- it only shows that gd may be expressed neurobiologically
expressed neurobiologically... in a way incongruent to their sex. the paper doesn't use that exact terminology. if you skip to only the conclusion it doesn't mention that the features are gendered, so im just gonna have to assume you were lazy.
>nooo! trannies are liars!
>Fig.4 Associations between body morph self-identity ratings and connectivity within intrinsic networks. a Regions significantly associated in FtM with self- identity ratings of body images morphed towards the sex congruent with their gender identity for long viewing durations (hot red-yellow color), overlaid on the group default mode network (DMN) mask (yellow). b Regions significantly associated in male and female controls with self-identity ratings of body images morphed towards the sex congruent with their gender identity for short viewing durations (green), overlaid on the group salience network (SN) mask (yellow)

>>35538135
the averages of grey matter between trans and women aren't the same.

what you are doing is using vague jargon to try to win internet point. this is not twitter roflmao

>>35538198
pattern isn't my own words I'm nta it's the word you used though which you're now putting in quotes, at least you concede on that

>GD or sex incongruence being expressed at the neurological level doesn't not prove that it's "transsexuality is innate"
might as well be since we can't change it, I think that's the point they were making, you're being pedantic about the term innate, nothing is really innate physiologically since a deity could hypothetically change anything

>>35538230
>what you are doing is using vague jargon to try to win internet point
internet points aren't real nor am I deliberately using vague jargon for some nefarious reason, I said grey matter is more towards the female average not the same on average too, why are you such a liar?

>this is not twitter roflmao
it's not reddit or ovarit either boomer

>>35536535
no im only into women sorry...im a transbian.

>>35538284
So, a mimicking predator?

>>35538217
the quote and scans proves exactly what I said: GD show differentiated neurological pattern between trans and non trans
1)it doesn't prove that transexuallism is innate
2)it doesn't prove that ftm have "male brain"

>>35536911
The guy who made this is a trad. He quite literally thinks that.

>>35538217
yeah ok, you don't understand what you are saying
we are talking averages here

transwomen' grey matter volume is not the same as women's grey matter volume

and the biggest difference between men and women's brain is how neural network connects - nothing conclusive has been found that indicates transwomen's brain are closer to women brain

>>35538343
actually, the only thing it proves is trans people are neurodivergent

i won't call it a sickness
but it can certainly be compared to a slew of dissociative disorder

>>35538343
let's go back to square one, unless you don't want to admit you were wrong here >>35538100 in which case we will go in circles forever.
>trans women don't need to be closer to female patterns because these are just averages.
true
>however: if the idea that transsexuality is innate is true, we might expect certain parts of the brain that deal with self-perception to be sex incongruent.
true. notice that im not claiming this as proof, only evidence.
>there is evidence that this is the case.
true.
do you want to remind me how you initially responded?

>1)trans women average would have to be closer to female pattern, which isn't the case
there's no reason why this has to be the case, you have no reasoning here, you are literally just saying this with no grounds.

>2) the study you link doesn't demonstrate "sex incongruent" -- it only shows that gd may be expressed neurobiologically
it shows both and I have pointed out one of the many specific areas where it does so. >>35538217

>trans are such fucking liars
do you wanna take this back before we have any further discussion, or are you that embroiled in your hatred?

>>35538408
you aren't engaging with my perspective, I'm a different anon. we can ping pong different parts of trans brains that are and aren't gender congruent all night if you want too. you scream this one matters, I scream that one matters, is that what you want?

>>35538480
nice to see you've abandonned the argument that the study you linked proves "transexualism is innate

>>35538508
wow it's like trans people are brain intersex or something

>>35538513
when did I make that argument? im dissecting my own post for you so that you can parse it and that's your takeaway? that something I said must be different this time? I said it's evidence, and it is. would you like to post evidence to the contrary?

>>35538480
oh so you're claiming "evidence" not proof now
rofl, fuck off

the study you linked only shows that GD trans people demonstrate anormal brain activity compared to non-trans people

stop trying to mindfuck impressionable kid you retard

>>35538550
>trying to mindfuck impressionable kid
ok so you're clearly a conspiracy theory nut

>>35538550
when did I claim proof? there is NO proof in neuroscience right now, everything is just educated guesses based on certain observations. maybe you just, I dont know, reacted with hostility to a post that disagrees with your perspective?

>>35538578
nice to see you can't address your attempt at bad science

>>35538587
I'm nta just pointing out you have an obvious conspiratorial agenda so you're pointless to talk to

>>35538582
bullshiting about scientific evidence when there is not is not "a perspective" you retard

it's called a lie

anyway, you got caught lying but welcome to the last word, see if I care

... i don't

>>35538614
lol. lmao.

>>35538604
what conspirational agenda?
roflmao

>>35536384
This pic makes me so sad. I’ll never be a mom :(

>>35538635
roflmao

>>35536384
what point is this even trying to make

>>35539846
trans women view femaleness as a commodity they can purchase while ignoring the component of bearing children that defines how women are treated