Please don't make me call you they. I will call you he or she. I will probably think of you as he or she if you make an effort. Please don't ask me to take a second to stumble around "h/sh-..they" every time you're not around. I'm happy to accept you as non-binary and to try to empathize with what that might mean and internally feel like, but it's too annoying to fit three theys into a sentence. I know you don't mean to cause a hassle, but, just: please.t. straight cisoid
>>35538316call me she and he in an alternating fashion. thanks.
>>35538316If someone asks you to call them a "they" ignore them and choose what you perceive them as.
>>35538316I will be calling you fae
preferred pronouns are retarded anyway. anybody that unironically tells you what pronouns to use is a brainlet and should not be taken seriously.
>>35538329This please. Address me in the feminine form one sentence, masculine in the next.
>>35538361>preferred pronounsMy pronouns aren't "preferred".My pronouns are what they are, and if you don't call me "it", you're simply wrong.T. it/its
>>35538361I'm fine with someone expressing a preference. My own preference is just that it'd be he or she and also ideally not some word that's never before been used as a pronoun (or perhaps even a word) prior to 10 years ago.
>>35538316singular they has got to be the easiest pronoun change ever. I think the majority of the 3rd person pronouns i use are neuter. youre just weak and sound like a boomer
>>35538396It's easier than some arbitrary noun or newly created word but in practice if you need to refer to someone multiple times in short succession, a lot, it's tedious.
>>35538419OP made a post. They're an absolute faggot, just like all OPs are. Their post is a piece of shit and they should be ashamed of themselves. They're probably autistic, that's why they don't know how to learn new things, like using gender neutral pronouns. They're in good company on this board. It's really not that hard, nor is it tedious. You're just lazy and entitled.
>>35538500You sound a little aggressive.
>>35538649Good, that's how I intended to come across.
>>35538500>entitledyou're the one trying (and failing) to tell people how to talk
>>35538361anything outside of he/she/they is retarded>>35538381youre afab, arent you
>>35538316call me ugly
>>35538663I have never told anyone how to talk. I inform people of my pronouns, and if they get it wrong consistently after me correcting them a couple times, I cease all contact with them.
>>35538670Amab, actually. But that's neither here nor there.
I don't have sympathy for this. It is not that hard. We all get practice with singular they constantly.
>>35538316I know a non-binary who I’m 90% sure is a trans man coping with not passing (not on hormones either) and I flubbed and said she and had to apologize and all I could think was how this wouldn’t have happened if he’d be honest about who he wants to be
>>35538714>if he’d be honest about who he wants to beBeing honest about what you want nets you ungodly amounts of ridicule if what you want is not in line with what you are allowed to want.
>>35538771I’m a literal post op so I find the non-binary cope to be weak
>>35538792>weakSome people are.Congratulations on being strong.Here is your complimentary cookie.
>>35538681you don't "have" pronouns. pronouns are just an istrument for other people to refer to you in the third person.
>>35539195You don't "have" a name, a name is just an instrument for other people to refer to you.Btw your name is Fart Buttson and if you tell me otherwise you're just being difficult on purpose.
>>35539211congratulations on finally realizing the difference between names and pronouns. most people get it in first grade of elementary school but better late than never i guess.
>>35539238There is no difference between your name and your pronouns. Both are decided by other people and you aren't socially allowed to change either.Or you know, we could admit that they are both very much ours to do with as we please.
>>35539211"This is why there’s always some awkwardness around how to actually signal these words. I use he/him pronouns. No you don’t; you use I/me, like everyone else. My pronouns are she/her. Are you sure? Derrida once pointed out that your own name is always external to you, since it’s the sign that everyone uses except yourself. There can be no name for what you are; even an I doesn’t mark out what makes you unique, since everyone else calls themselves the exact same thing. Your inner being exists, as Srinivasan puts it, ‘beyond the reach of mere words… exceeding, bursting beyond.’ So is any pronoun ever really yours?"also yea thats how nicknames work mrs. dingaling
>>35538346what if i perceive them as a they, anon? what then?
>>35539296I do not associate with people who do not accept my ownership over my own name.
>>35539315yea its diff with trannies because we actually pick our own names. what derrida says is v valid for cisoids tho
>>35539256but they aren't, retard-kun. the whole point of pronouns is for people who don't know your name to address you. if they had to ask you your pronouns first before using them to address you that would defeat the whole purpose. i'm trying to make this mind-numbingly simple for you.
>>35538316just won't associate with you if you bring something like that up directly lol. don't try acting like me feeling dysphoric is on the same level as you using four letters over three
>>35539329>i'm trying to make this mind-numbingly simple for you.What if instead of being simple you tried to be complex? Maybe you'd understand the point I am making.As for what you're trying to get across, I know all of it already. I simply reject it in favor of a more independent and self-owning life.
>>35539364did you ever think that maybe i like owning the words i say, fucking idiot? the fact that you see people using language as an affront to your autonomy speaks volumes about your mental illness.
>>35538316>frogposting in the year of our lord 2024kys
>>35539403You don't own my name, nor do you own my pronouns.
>>35539567this is what happens when you learn all your arguments from talking points. you break down, your brain short circuits into clumsily repeating mantras you can't defend the meaning of even though i went to great lengths to explain to you how you're wrong and that pronouns don't really belong to anybody or else they wouldn't be pronouns. i'd say that i accept your concession but calling you sentient in the first place would be a stretch.
>>35538316use they to my face, if i ain't around i don't care, you do you
>>35539625>you're wrongFrom my perspective, you are.
>>35538316I don't know what's you problem, I love neutral they, especially in like documents or presentations talking about abstract people (like an unnamed manager or employee). And through work I now adopted the they so much that I started theying people I should know the pronouns of, just because it's so convenient to always use theyI wish my language had a neutral pronoun
>>35539712yes, yes i know you're having a melty right now but here in adult world you can't just say "well i think you're wrong" you have to actually give arguments for why you think the other person is incorrect on their point. so far all you've done is say "you're right but i don't like that" so if you agree with me what is it that i'm wrong about exactly?
>>35538316i hate so much that they/thems pretend that forcing someone to exclusively refer to someone as they/them is at all the same as interchangeably using they/them and he/him or she/her. disingenuous cunts. they always pretend it's some form of "gotcha" when you use they/them interchangeably for literally anyone else. holy shit, man
>>35539739>you're having a melty right nowI'm actually having my morning cigarette and arguing with retards online for fun. >you can't just sayI just did. Cope.>you have toI really don't.>if you agree with meI *really* don't.I'm not interested in convincing you, nor am I interested in coming into any sort of agreement here. I'm only telling you how I own my name and my pronouns and you can get fucked for all I care.
>>35539747i accept your concession then.
>>35539755You wouldn't get one from me if my life depended on it. I am the king of the hill I stand on.
>>35538316I honestly think that they is the perfect pronoun. Polite, genderless and fit for any occasion. I won't call anyone anything retarded like xir or xher, but they is literally my go-to pronoun when I want to be polite and I'm unsure how people want to be referred as. Honestly of all the things to complain about, this seems the weirdest one.
>>35539768i already did. "i can't argue against you so i will cope and seethe instead" is the purest form of a concession in my book.